Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: any news on J becoming CAS?

[DIETER ENSSLEN]

Thanks Matthew

Would love to run some very high number loop math problems on a nice performance machine. Besides, what is the use of having a 64 bit machine running at 32 bits.

I have been nothing but impressed with J on my htc smartphone as well as J on my pocket pc's. Have never been disappointed by the performance.



----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Brand <mtthwbrnd@...>
Date: Monday, November 2, 2009 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Fwd: Re: any news on J becoming CAS?
To: General forum <general@...>

> I am using 64 bit J on a MacBook Pro via Ubuntu on VMWare
> fusion. You could
> do the same if you only have a MBPro to hand and want to use 64
> bit J.
>
> What are you doing that requires 64-bits?
>
> How are you going to do any serious work on a smart phone? My
> HTC Magic
> keyboard would make J programming a real nightmare. I think I
> saw somewhere
> on jsoftware.com  a web based J-server where you can run J
> commandsremotely. Perhaps you could access it on your smartphone.
>
>
>
>
> 2009/11/2 DIETER ENSSLEN <ultrarunner@...>
>
> > Raul just said  that J is a CAS language?
> >
> > I will enjoy J more once I get it properly and perfectly
> installed into my
> > pocket PC's / smartphone, get  a 64 bit version on my
> MacBook Pro, and get
> > the hang of reactivating previous files etc etc etc
> >
> > thanks and thanks for all the kind help so far
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "R.E. Boss" <r.e.boss@...>
> > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009 2:41 am
> > Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] any news on J becoming CAS?
> > To: 'General forum' <general@...>
> >
> > > >
> > > > I suggest that you first enjoy J for what it can do before you
> > > try to make
> > > > it something it isn't.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Could not agree more.
> > >
> > >
> > > R.E. Boss
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[Matthew Brand-2]

"what is the use of having a 64 bit machine running at 32 bits."

Whatever use you can get out of running a 32 bit program on a 32 bit
machine, you can get the same use out of running a 32 bit program on a 64
bit machine.


"some very high number loop"
Do you mean you want to have a loop such as below?

for_n. i. 2^33 do.
end.

Can you post some of your code which requires 64 bits?


2009/11/3 DIETER ENSSLEN <ultrarunner@...>

> Thanks Matthew
>
> Would love to run some very high number loop math problems on a nice
> performance machine. Besides, what is the use of having a 64 bit machine
> running at 32 bits.
>
> I have been nothing but impressed with J on my htc smartphone as well as J
> on my pocket pc's. Have never been disappointed by the performance.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Brand <mtthwbrnd@...>
> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009 9:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Fwd: Re: any news on J becoming CAS?
> To: General forum <general@...>
>
> > I am using 64 bit J on a MacBook Pro via Ubuntu on VMWare
> > fusion. You could
> > do the same if you only have a MBPro to hand and want to use 64
> > bit J.
> >
> > What are you doing that requires 64-bits?
> >
> > How are you going to do any serious work on a smart phone? My
> > HTC Magic
> > keyboard would make J programming a real nightmare. I think I
> > saw somewhere
> > on jsoftware.com  a web based J-server where you can run J
> > commandsremotely. Perhaps you could access it on your smartphone.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/2 DIETER ENSSLEN <ultrarunner@...>
> >
> > > Raul just said  that J is a CAS language?
> > >
> > > I will enjoy J more once I get it properly and perfectly
> > installed into my
> > > pocket PC's / smartphone, get  a 64 bit version on my
> > MacBook Pro, and get
> > > the hang of reactivating previous files etc etc etc
> > >
> > > thanks and thanks for all the kind help so far
> > >
> > > Dick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "R.E. Boss" <r.e.boss@...>
> > > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009 2:41 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] any news on J becoming CAS?
> > > To: 'General forum' <general@...>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest that you first enjoy J for what it can do before you
> > > > try to make
> > > > > it something it isn't.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Could not agree more.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > R.E. Boss
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> > > > -----
> > > > For information about J forums see
> > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >
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> > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm>
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[DIETER ENSSLEN]

dear Matthew,

the idea is to see what a 64 bit machine can do running 64 bit programs, (and the next step will be 128 bit machine running 128 bit programs one presumes). Then dual quads, lots and lots of fast GB RAM: progress.

good benchmarks would be the Euler-Mascheroni series, or the old series of 1/x^1.001, and such, the awfully slow converging things, a test of language, programmer, and machine.

aside from that, people set records for number of digits, and they always have since before Euler and Mascheroni's time, and they always will.

thanks

dick


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[Matthew Brand-2]

Oh I see. You don't have a specific problem to solve. You are trying to test
the limits of technology. In that case, your task will never be complete
because your objective is to find problems to solve that you cannot
currently solve. If you had 64 bits then you would soon be asking for 128
bits, and so on.

I share your frustration on the lack of 64-bit J for OSX, I am using large
files which require 64 bit address space. I am not sure why it is a problem
to make it, but I don't know much about compilers etc... it probably
involves a lot of extra work and the 64 bit OSX demand is probably pretty
low (2 of us?!). Besides, I am happy running it on Ubuntu so don't think I
would use it even if it was released ... so that makes just one of you :-).

Why not buy a 64 bit Windows machine and have done with it?


2009/11/3 DIETER ENSSLEN <ultrarunner@...>

> dear Matthew,
>
> the idea is to see what a 64 bit machine can do running 64 bit programs,
> (and the next step will be 128 bit machine running 128 bit programs one
> presumes). Then dual quads, lots and lots of fast GB RAM: progress.
>
> good benchmarks would be the Euler-Mascheroni series, or the old series of
> 1/x^1.001, and such, the awfully slow converging things, a test of language,
> programmer, and machine.
>
> aside from that, people set records for number of digits, and they always
> have since before Euler and Mascheroni's time, and they always will.
>
> thanks
>
> dick
>
>
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