Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

[Olli-6]

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From: Olli <ollinpostit@...>
Date: 2009/10/31
Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
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What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.

What do you think?

Olli

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[Ray Saintonge]

Olli wrote:
> Date: 2009/10/31
> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
>
> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.
>
>  
Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole
year.  Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful
things that happened on this day in history.

Ec

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[Magnus Manske-2]

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@...> wrote:

> Olli wrote:
>> Date: 2009/10/31
>> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
>>
>> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
>> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.
>>
>>
> Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole
> year.  Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful
> things that happened on this day in history.

Or, have a new calender generated automatically on each page reload:

http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikilendar.php?month=11&year=2009

(takes a few seconds to parse all these pages and check for suitable images)

Cheers,
Magnus

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[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@...>:

> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@...> wrote:
>> Olli wrote:
>>> Date: 2009/10/31
>>> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
>>>
>>> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
>>> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.
>>>
>>>
>> Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole
>> year.  Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful
>> things that happened on this day in history.
>
> Or, have a new calender generated automatically on each page reload:
>
> http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikilendar.php?month=11&year=2009
>
> (takes a few seconds to parse all these pages and check for suitable images)

I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?

One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
his portrait...

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[Magnus Manske-2]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...> wrote:

> 2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@...>:
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@...> wrote:
>>> Olli wrote:
>>>> Date: 2009/10/31
>>>> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
>>>>
>>>> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
>>>> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole
>>> year.  Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful
>>> things that happened on this day in history.
>>
>> Or, have a new calender generated automatically on each page reload:
>>
>> http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikilendar.php?month=11&year=2009
>>
>> (takes a few seconds to parse all these pages and check for suitable images)
>
> I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
> publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
> to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
> or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?

I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that
would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few
possible candidates per day.

> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
> his portrait...

And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.

Cheers,
Magnus

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[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@...>:
>> I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
>> publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
>> to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
>> or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?
>
> I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that
> would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few
> possible candidates per day.

For large categories, like nationalities, it would probably work. For
smaller categories you would need to decide what to do with gaps.

>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>> his portrait...
>
> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
> from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.

Try the image in the infobox if there is one.

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[Magnus Manske-2]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...> wrote:

> 2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@...>:
>>> I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
>>> publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
>>> to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
>>> or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?
>>
>> I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that
>> would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few
>> possible candidates per day.
>
> For large categories, like nationalities, it would probably work. For
> smaller categories you would need to decide what to do with gaps.
>
>>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>>> his portrait...
>>
>> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
>> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
>> from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.
>
> Try the image in the infobox if there is one.

So, either a HTML parser or a new MediaWiki parser to get at the
<img>/variable. Tough choice there :-)

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[Andrew Gray-3]

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@...>:

>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>> his portrait...
>
> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
> from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.

First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
selection!

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- Andrew Gray
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[Olli-6]

suggestions:

1 =You should add option to select what country (what wikipedia (fi, en,
sv...))
2 = Calendr should be like right calendar
3 = Other languages (translation possiblity)

Olli


2009/11/2 Andrew Gray <andrew.gray@...>

> 2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@...>:
>
> >> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
> >> his portrait...
> >
> > And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> > implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
> > from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.
>
> First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
> it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
> conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
> selection!
>
> --
> - Andrew Gray
>  andrew.gray@...
>
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[Nikola Smolenski-2]

Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:
> First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
> it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
> conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
> selection!

First image could easily be an icon.

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[Nikola Smolenski-2]

Magnus Manske wrote:
>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>> his portrait...
>
> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article

Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest
you should implement it in PHP :)

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[Waldir Pimenta]

Nikola Smolenski wrote:

> Magnus Manske wrote:
> >> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
> >> his portrait...
> >
> > And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
> > implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
>
> Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest
> you should implement it in PHP :)
>

It *is* complex. Yes, it's not impossible; yes, it's been done. But that
doesn't mean it's simple or easy. Btw, Magnus, thanks for building that
demo. It's great for putting this idea in perspective! :)
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[Tomasz Ganicz]

2009/10/31 Olli <ollinpostit@...>:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Olli <ollinpostit@...>
> Date: 2009/10/31
> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
> To: translators-l@...
>
>
> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.
>

Last year we have created such a calendar:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kalendarz_Wikimedia_2009.pdf

It uses Common's pictures of the month + some Wikipedia related events
+ Polish Wikipedian's nicknames placed in the days where they have
their birthday :-)



--
Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz
http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek
http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/
http://www.ptchem.lodz.pl/en/TomaszGanicz.html

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[Neil Harris-2]

Waldir Pimenta wrote:

> Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>
>  
>> Magnus Manske wrote:
>>    
>>>> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>>>> his portrait...
>>>>        
>>> And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
>>> implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
>>>      
>> Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest
>> you should implement it in PHP :)
>>
>>    
>
> It *is* complex. Yes, it's not impossible; yes, it's been done. But that
> doesn't mean it's simple or easy. Btw, Magnus, thanks for building that
> demo. It's great for putting this idea in perspective! :)
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There's a review of the state of the art in face detection at
http://vision.ai.uiuc.edu/mhyang/face-detection-survey.html , if you are
looking for ideas for algorithms.

-- Neil



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[Anthony-73]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Waldir Pimenta <waldir@...> wrote:

> Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>
>> Magnus Manske wrote:
>> >> One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than
>> >> his portrait...
>> >
>> > And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to
>> > implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article
>>
>> Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest
>> you should implement it in PHP :)
>>
>
> It *is* complex. Yes, it's not impossible; yes, it's been done. But that
> doesn't mean it's simple or easy.

Are you talking about face detection or facial recognition?  The
former is implemented in some cell phones.  It's "not that complex".
The latter is more cutting edge, though surely the NSA has a good
implementation of it (as do many casinos).

Selecting pictures of people as opposed to bowling statistics would be
the former, right?

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[Magnus Manske-2]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Anthony <wikimail@...> wrote:
> Are you talking about face detection or facial recognition?  The
> former is implemented in some cell phones.  It's "not that complex".
> The latter is more cutting edge, though surely the NSA has a good
> implementation of it (as do many casinos).
>
> Selecting pictures of people as opposed to bowling statistics would be
> the former, right?

OK, so shouldn't we run this against all of Commons, then? If we could
offer "show me only pictures of people" as a checkbox in search, that
would surely be appreciated (and useful for the calendar thingy as
well;-)

Cheers,
Magnus

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[Nikola Smolenski-2]

Magnus Manske wrote:
> OK, so shouldn't we run this against all of Commons, then? If we could
> offer "show me only pictures of people" as a checkbox in search, that
> would surely be appreciated (and useful for the calendar thingy as
> well;-)

The link that Neil posted led me to
http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/FaceDetection and that in turn led
me to http://www.xarg.org/project/php-facedetect/ - this isn't as
impossible as it seemed to be a few minutes ago! :)

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[Anthony-73]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Magnus Manske
<magnusmanske@...> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Anthony <wikimail@...> wrote:
>> Are you talking about face detection or facial recognition?  The
>> former is implemented in some cell phones.  It's "not that complex".
>> The latter is more cutting edge, though surely the NSA has a good
>> implementation of it (as do many casinos).
>>
>> Selecting pictures of people as opposed to bowling statistics would be
>> the former, right?
>
> OK, so shouldn't we run this against all of Commons, then?

As long as you don't set up a bot to add categories without checking
the results manually, sure.  IMO any automated results are better kept
in a specialized database because they'll likely be changing rapidly.
Maybe on the toolserver.

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[Thomas Dalton]

2009/11/2 Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@...>:
> Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:
>> First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
>> it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
>> conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
>> selection!
>
> First image could easily be an icon.

How about first image more than 50px (or whatever) wide?

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[Andrew Gray-3]

2009/11/2 Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@...>:
> Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:
>> First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
>> it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
>> conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
>> selection!
>
> First image could easily be an icon.

Mmm, true. "First image directly invoked in the wikitext", or
something, I guess.

I'm not sure how the standard popups select their image, but that
seems a fairly efficient method to look at - it fails sometimes, but
in the cases where it fails there's rarely a better image it *should*
have used.

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