Fwd: thunar-actions-plugin

[Pierre Wieser-2]

Hi all,

I'm the maintainer of nautilus-actions [2], the equivalent for Nautilus of the thunar-actions-plugin.

I've readen in your wiki page [1] your project for a new version of the plugin, using .desktop files and mimetypes.

I've considered this, but stayed stone because nautilus-actions makes use of other parameters, not actually in .dekstop specs (e.g. apply to files only, to dir only, to both). Don't you have such parameters ? Do you plan to upgrade the freedesktop.org specs ?

Also, I think it could be a great improvement for users (and packagers) if they can use in thunar/nautilus actions defined for thunar-actions-plugin as well as for nautilus-actions. Do you have any opinion about this ?

Regards
Pierre

[1] http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/projects/thunar-actions-plugin
[2] http://www.nautilus-actions.org
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[Jelle de Jong]

Pierre Wieser wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm the maintainer of nautilus-actions [2], the equivalent for Nautilus of the thunar-actions-plugin.
>
> I've readen in your wiki page [1] your project for a new version of the plugin, using .desktop files and mimetypes.
>
> I've considered this, but stayed stone because nautilus-actions makes use of other parameters, not actually in .dekstop specs (e.g. apply to files only, to dir only, to both). Don't you have such parameters ? Do you plan to upgrade the freedesktop.org specs ?
>
> Also, I think it could be a great improvement for users (and packagers) if they can use in thunar/nautilus actions defined for thunar-actions-plugin as well as for nautilus-actions. Do you have any opinion about this ?
>
> Regards
> Pierre
>
> [1] http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/projects/thunar-actions-plugin
> [2] http://www.nautilus-actions.org

Hi Pierre,

As the person that made the initiative to start the
thunar-actions-plugin. I have designed it to use mime type detection
that is also in the .desktop file. A directory has it one mime type, and
you can make hole list of them.

The programmer that was working on the thunar-actions-plugin has not
been very active on the coding parts after his school task was finished.
I really hope he will still catch up and fished the coding. We have an
xfce goodies account and svn setup.

I would like to cooperate on the thunar and nautilus custom action
systems, this was a goal from the start for me to make it possible to
exchange custom action with other file managers, through a free desktop
standard.

If the mime type does not work as theoretically designed, then we need
to enhance the original free desktop specs, but so far no indication for
that.

If somebody would like to help coding on the actions-plugin I would be
very thankful. It still is a long standing wish to fix the integration
of all my custom action I designed.

Best regards,

Jelle de Jong
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[Pierre Wieser-2]

----- "Jelle de Jong" <jelledejong@...> a écrit :

> As the person that made the initiative to start the
> thunar-actions-plugin. I have designed it to use mime type detection
> that is also in the .desktop file. A directory has it one mime type,
> and you can make hole list of them.

Yes, files vs. directories might not be the right example ;-)

Nonetheless, I have to carefully examine each parameter we use today
in order to try to map it to a desktop entry key, before I even plan
to define a specific group header.

Among others, the Exec key will stay as a potential problem, as
the program may be a desktop-specific one. Do you think it would
be possible to have a Exec-Xfce or Exec-Gnome in the same header ?
Or do the action author will have to write a .desktop file for
each environment ?

> I would like to cooperate on the thunar and nautilus custom action
> systems, this was a goal from the start for me to make it possible to
> exchange custom action with other file managers, through a free
> desktop standard.

For now, I'm in a bug-fixing process, and I've already some other
enhancements in my todo list.

But an idea I think could be shared with other file managers is
to add in a UI a list of action repositories, acting as web
services, from where the user could pull a published action from
one click.

I'm not yet there, but certainly the availability (?) of pre-written
actions is a great part of user experience..

If you wish so, I may keep you informed of the progress of my thoughts
of these two subjects ? Is this list the good place for this ?

Regards
Pierre
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[Jelle de Jong]

Pierre Wieser wrote:

> ----- "Jelle de Jong" <jelledejong@...> a écrit :
>
>> As the person that made the initiative to start the
>> thunar-actions-plugin. I have designed it to use mime type detection
>> that is also in the .desktop file. A directory has it one mime type,
>> and you can make hole list of them.
>
> Yes, files vs. directories might not be the right example ;-)
>
> Nonetheless, I have to carefully examine each parameter we use today
> in order to try to map it to a desktop entry key, before I even plan
> to define a specific group header.
>
> Among others, the Exec key will stay as a potential problem, as
> the program may be a desktop-specific one. Do you think it would
> be possible to have a Exec-Xfce or Exec-Gnome in the same header ?
> Or do the action author will have to write a .desktop file for
> each environment ?
>
>> I would like to cooperate on the thunar and nautilus custom action
>> systems, this was a goal from the start for me to make it possible to
>> exchange custom action with other file managers, through a free
>> desktop standard.
>
> For now, I'm in a bug-fixing process, and I've already some other
> enhancements in my todo list.
>
> But an idea I think could be shared with other file managers is
> to add in a UI a list of action repositories, acting as web
> services, from where the user could pull a published action from
> one click.
>
> I'm not yet there, but certainly the availability (?) of pre-written
> actions is a great part of user experience..
>
> If you wish so, I may keep you informed of the progress of my thoughts
> of these two subjects ? Is this list the good place for this ?
>
> Regards
> Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Well the goal should be not to have separate entries for GNOME or XFCE
in the .desktop files, this should only be done as a temporary solution.

There should be enough flexibility is the standard .desktop specs to get
a good custom actions systems that works with .desktop files and is
desktop independent. The GUI that is the frontend for the users should
make and match the mime type systems and all kind of special groupings
like directories only, or all video etcetra.

Have you could any indication that this is not doable, would you be
willing to make a plan to use this kind of architecture for your action
plugins, then at least have one good working system and when xfce team
has an volunteer we can work on the thunar plugin code.

Thank in advance,

Cheers,

Jelle de Jong





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