GNOME 2.26

[Johannes Rohr-2]

Dear maintainers,

sorry for nagging, but what is the plan for GNOME 2.26? The current
mix of GNOME 2.24 and 2.26 in sid is unfortunately not particularly
usable, I currently experience far more issues and reproducible
crashes than usual. At the same time, reporting bugs on these issues
does not seem to make an awful lot of sense, because it is about
unsupported versions and nobody will fix crashes in a Debian package
which will be replaced by a new upstream soon.

(Actually, I reported some of the issues, but did not receive feedback
on many of them)

Thanks,

Johannes


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[Josselin Mouette]

Le mercredi 20 mai 2009 à 10:01 +0200, Johannes Rohr a écrit :
> sorry for nagging, but what is the plan for GNOME 2.26?

Unless more than one person starts working on it, it is becoming clear
to me that the plan is to wait for a very long time.

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[Josselin Mouette]

Le mercredi 20 mai 2009 à 12:00 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> Le mercredi 20 mai 2009 à 10:01 +0200, Johannes Rohr a écrit :
> > sorry for nagging, but what is the plan for GNOME 2.26?
>
> Unless more than one person starts working on it, it is becoming clear
> to me that the plan is to wait for a very long time.

Let me also add that #517768 is a blocker for large parts of GNOME 2.26
and that we will be able to go forth only when it is fixed.

If you want to help, start by reproducing this (MIME cache version 1.0
in your home, version 1.1 in the system, using nautilus 2.26) and try to
understand why the 1.0 cache is not simply ignored by the xdgmime code
in glib2.0.

Cheers,
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[Johannes Rohr-2]

Josselin Mouette <joss@...> writes:

> Le mercredi 20 mai 2009 à 12:00 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
>> Le mercredi 20 mai 2009 à 10:01 +0200, Johannes Rohr a écrit :
>> > sorry for nagging, but what is the plan for GNOME 2.26?
>>
>> Unless more than one person starts working on it, it is becoming clear
>> to me that the plan is to wait for a very long time.

So the root problem seems to be that the former GNOME team has all but
disappeared / moved to the Ubuntu camp?

> Let me also add that #517768 is a blocker for large parts of GNOME 2.26
> and that we will be able to go forth only when it is fixed.
>
> If you want to help, start by reproducing this (MIME cache version 1.0
> in your home, version 1.1 in the system, using nautilus 2.26) and try to
> understand why the 1.0 cache is not simply ignored by the xdgmime code
> in glib2.0.

Reproducing a but might be something I could try, however,
understand code certains exceeds my skills. I am trained historian and
my coding skills are limited to essential bash scripting...

Thanks, well, still, keep up the good work...

Johannes


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[Theppitak Karoonboonyanan]

2009/5/20 Josselin Mouette <joss@...>:

> Let me also add that #517768 is a blocker for large parts of GNOME 2.26
> and that we will be able to go forth only when it is fixed.
>
> If you want to help, start by reproducing this (MIME cache version 1.0
> in your home, version 1.1 in the system, using nautilus 2.26) and try to
> understand why the 1.0 cache is not simply ignored by the xdgmime code
> in glib2.0.

IMO, it should save time for people who want to help if a sample
mime.cache 1.0 file is available. Does anyone who has the problem still
keeps their file?

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[Michael Ott-3]

Hello Josselin!

> > > sorry for nagging, but what is the plan for GNOME 2.26?
> >
> > Unless more than one person starts working on it, it is becoming clear
> > to me that the plan is to wait for a very long time.
What do you mean with that sentence? You are the only one in the Gnome
team? How can I help when I am not a maintainer?

> Let me also add that #517768 is a blocker for large parts of GNOME 2.26
> and that we will be able to go forth only when it is fixed.
>
> If you want to help, start by reproducing this (MIME cache version 1.0
> in your home, version 1.1 in the system, using nautilus 2.26) and try to
> understand why the 1.0 cache is not simply ignored by the xdgmime code
> in glib2.0.
Sorry for the stupid question. How can I find out which mime version I
use. I do not have this problem and I use nautilus 2.26.

>
> Cheers,
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[Josselin Mouette]

Le jeudi 21 mai 2009 à 10:41 +0200, Michael Ott a écrit :
> > > Unless more than one person starts working on it, it is becoming clear
> > > to me that the plan is to wait for a very long time.
> What do you mean with that sentence? You are the only one in the Gnome
> team? How can I help when I am not a maintainer?

Actually that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but apart from Luca Bruno and
I, other maintainers don’t seem so eager to see GNOME 2.26 packaged.

> > Let me also add that #517768 is a blocker for large parts of GNOME 2.26
> > and that we will be able to go forth only when it is fixed.

Note that in the meantime, I have reassigned it so that it is not a
blocker anymore. It is still a blocker for squeeze, of course, but it’s
not blocking the transition anymore.

> > If you want to help, start by reproducing this (MIME cache version 1.0
> > in your home, version 1.1 in the system, using nautilus 2.26) and try to
> > understand why the 1.0 cache is not simply ignored by the xdgmime code
> > in glib2.0.
> Sorry for the stupid question. How can I find out which mime version I
> use. I do not have this problem and I use nautilus 2.26.

The home directory cache is only created when you add new MIME types at
the user level. To create a 1.0 version cache, you need the pre-GNOME
2.24 tools: shared-mime-info 0.30, nautilus 2.22 + glib < 2.17 or
nautilus 2.20 + gnome-vfs 2.22.

Cheers,
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[Gabor Gombas]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:09:41PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:

> Let me also add that #517768 is a blocker for large parts of GNOME 2.26
> and that we will be able to go forth only when it is fixed.
>
> If you want to help, start by reproducing this (MIME cache version 1.0
> in your home, version 1.1 in the system, using nautilus 2.26) and try to
> understand why the 1.0 cache is not simply ignored by the xdgmime code
> in glib2.0.

I don't use nautilus; is there a simpler test case? My limited testing
suggests that mime.cache _is_ ignored by glib when it is v1.0, but in
this case glib reads other files in the mime directory (aliases, globs,
etc.). If there is a v1.1 mime.cache, then those files are _not_ read.

If there is incorrect data in those files that may explain the bug, but
it does not explain why things start working if someone removes
mime.cache; as far as glib is concerned, a missing mime.cache is the
same as an existing v1.0 mime.cache.

Now, if there is some other component in the system that silently
regenerates ~/.local/share/mime/mime.cache if it is missing (during
login, for example), that could explain everything...

Gabor

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