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Re: A few problem with latest SVN stuff

2009-11-10T17:07:20Z

Hi,
> * I set GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration to NO (have GNUstep draw the borders)
> and moving windows are extremely slow. I'm on a 500MHz PC, so it's really
> noticable. If I let WindowMaker decorate the window moving it around is
> really smooth, but when GNUstep is decorating them it's painfully slow. If
> I move the mouse fast enough (to one end or another of the screen) the
> window lags behind. I'll make a note here that I remember this also being
> an issue when I was on a 2.5GHz PC, just not as noticable there.
>
I tried on cairo on my 1.8Ghz computer with a nVidia card with its
drivers in Xorg. SO it should be fast.

What I noticed is:
- if I only have GNustep windows open, like gworkspace and then move a
terminal, everything is quite fast
- if the gnustep window is over a foreign window (in my case over the
browser, which is GTk2) it becomes sluggish. And I mean really. I don't
even want to test on a 100Mhz cpu or so, it would be unbearable.

Riccardo

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Re: A few problem with latest SVN stuff

2009-11-10T16:56:04Z

Hi,
> * The "Run" panel's ("Tools"->"Run...") text field does not allow me to edit
> it, which means I can't actually enter the applications I want run.
>
>
I fixed that (only for the English Gorms btw, if someone wants to help
putting the other language up-to-date...)
The same problem affected also "open with".
However, looking a the code, the FIeld should be a "CompletionField"
which doesn't seem to work for me or I didn't understand how it should work.

> In SystemPreferences:
> * The "Apply" button on the themes preferences doesn't actually work. If I
> hit apply, SystemPreferences' theme will change, however the default will
> not be written, which means no other application actually gets the new
> theme. If I restart SystemPreferences I'll be presented with the old theme.
> * This is just one thing I noticed, isn't GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration
> depricated? SystemPreferences still has it that way.
>
>
GIven that you also have problems with GWorkspace, something with your
preferences seems strange.
The defaults name is inedeed deprecated, SystemPreferences has been updated.

> In general:
> * I set GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration to NO (have GNUstep draw the borders)
> and moving windows are extremely slow. I'm on a 500MHz PC, so it's really
> noticable. If I let WindowMaker decorate the window moving it around is
> really smooth, but when GNUstep is decorating them it's painfully slow. If
> I move the mouse fast enough (to one end or another of the screen) the
> window lags behind. I'll make a note here that I remember this also being
> an issue when I was on a 2.5GHz PC, just not as noticable there.
>
>

I can't reproduce that on the machine where I am now, but I do have lots
of strange/older computers and see what I can get out.

Riccardo

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Re: Objective-C 2.0

2009-11-10T15:05:47Z

Hi all,

I've noticed that there is activity on http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/libobjc2/.
I wonder if someone has positive experience in building and running Objective-C 2.0 code.
If you had success could you please tell us your OS and build issues you face?

When can we expect to have 'Objective-C 2.0' in GNUstep? Can you tell us general ideas regarding this?

And where can I find some GNUstep roadmap, plans or strategy list, etc.?

Best regards,
HalypH

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Re: GNUstep dev environment

2009-11-10T13:10:49Z

HalypH wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm newbie in GNUstep (and in Objective-C). What is the best dev environment
> for GNUstep? I'm using text editor (Vim) and console build, plus 'insight'
> as gdb front-end. But it doesn't like fast development environment for me.
>
> Could you please share your better practice?
>

I use ProjectCenter for almost all my GNUstep application projects.
If you are brave enough you can try the current SVN version (obtainable
as a nightly tarball) which also supports gdb integration. But be
prepared that it is not a release yet and that the project format
changed: your old projects will be properly converted, but the new ones
are only readable by the new version.

Cheers,
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Re: GNUstep dev environment

2009-11-10T11:08:02Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009, discuss-gnustep-request@... wrote:

> The speed gain is done using the graphical interface builder (Gorm.app),
> and by the greatly slim designed API, which allows you to achive all you
> want with much less code:
>
> Quote of the Booz-Allen Study
>
> * took 100+ senior programmers and trained them on NeXTstep, then
> asked them to write the same app on both NeXT and their previous system.
> * First application written was written two to five times faster.
> * Savings were 90 %
> * 83 % less lines of code in the NEXTstep version
> * 82 % said NeXTstep was better in ALL categories
> * It isn't faster to code on NeXTstep; you just have to write less of
> it. The revolution is "getting rid of software".

When was this study done? Openstep/GNUstep/Cocoa are certainly a good
framework by todays standards, but I really doubt that a GNUstep application
will have 83% less lines of code compared to, say, one written in Qt or with
.Net or Scala with Scala/JFC class libraries. Actually GNUstep is missing lots
of things that e.g. Qt offers, therefore you will probably write more code for
complex application.

Michael

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All Standard widgets and menus (except tabfolder) now themed

2009-11-10T04:44:49Z

http://stashbox.org/693247/Bildschirmfoto.png

http://stashbox.org/693249/Bildschirmfoto-1.png

Kind regards,
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Re: GNUstep dev environment

2009-11-10T03:18:41Z

On 8 Nov 2009, at 21:19, HalypH wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> I'm newbie in GNUstep (and in Objective-C). What is the best dev
> environment
> for GNUstep? I'm using text editor (Vim) and console build, plus
> 'insight'
> as gdb front-end. But it doesn't like fast development environment
> for me.

I use vim in a terminal window for editing and I use gdb from the
command line too.

That's fast for me (I don't really like IDEs), though you can use an
IDE such as ProjectCenter.app if that's your preference.
I guess you would say that I'm a 'power user' (ie someone familiar
with the tools), so a command line environment will probably always
provide more control and flexibility than a gui environment IDE can.

If you want to use GNUstep for GUI development, then I'd recommend
using Gorm.app (to design/implement your gui).
If you want to design/build themes, then you should use Thematic.app
If you want to write server applications, then you don't need any
special tools.

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Re: GNUstep dev environment

2009-11-10T02:58:57Z

Hello

> I'm newbie in GNUstep (and in Objective-C). What is the best dev environment
> for GNUstep? I'm using text editor (Vim) and console build, plus 'insight'
> as gdb front-end. But it doesn't like fast development environment for me.

The speed gain is done using the graphical interface builder (Gorm.app), and
by the greatly slim designed API, which allows you to achive all you want with
much less code:

Quote of the Booz-Allen Study

* took 100+ senior programmers and trained them on NeXTstep, then asked them
to write the same app on both NeXT and their previous system.
* First application written was written two to five times faster.
* Savings were 90 %
* 83 % less lines of code in the NEXTstep version
* 82 % said NeXTstep was better in ALL categories
* It isn't faster to code on NeXTstep; you just have to write less of it. The
revolution is "getting rid of software".

from: http://livecd.gnustep.org/

Another big advantage, write once, compile everywhere. For example:
http://www.opentrack.ch/

Yours,
Guerkan

> Could you please share your better practice?
>
> Thanks

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Re: Base on Snow Leopard?

2009-11-10T00:27:48Z

On 10 Nov 2009, at 04:32, David Wetzel wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I tried to build base as on http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Platform:BSD#Mac_OS_X
>
> (paths on the wiki don't seem to be right any more)

<snip>

>
> This is on 10.6.1
>
> Any ideas?

I'm afraid you need to port to snow leopard, which as far as I can
tell is using Apple's new version of the Objective-C language and a
fairly radically revised version of the objective-c runtime, so the
old compatibility code won't work.

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[bug #27636] Scrollbar a few pixel off on NSWindows95InterfaceStyle

2009-11-09T23:28:00Z

Update of bug #27636 (project gnustep):

Open/Closed: In Test => Closed

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confirmed as fixed.

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Base on Snow Leopard?

2009-11-09T20:32:09Z

Hi Folks,

I tried to build base as on http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Platform:BSD#Mac_OS_X

(paths on the wiki don't seem to be right any more)

cd make/trunk/
./configure --with-library-combo=apple-apple-apple
sudo make install
source /Library/GNUstep/Makefiles/GNUstep.csh
cd ../../base/trunk/
./configure --with-xml-prefix=/usr --disable-xmltest
make debug=yes
This is gnustep-make 2.2.0. Type 'make print-gnustep-make-help' for
help.
Making all in Source...
rm -f dynamic-load.h
cp simple-load.h dynamic-load.h
/Library/GNUstep/Makefiles/mkinstalldirs .
mv ../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/config.h .
touch ./config.h
/Library/GNUstep/Makefiles/mkinstalldirs ./GNUstepBase
mv ../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSConfig.h ./GNUstepBase
touch ./GNUstepBase/GSConfig.h
Making all in subprojects of library libgnustep-baseadd...
Making all for subproject Additions...
Compiling file GSCategories.m ...
In file included from ../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/
GSCategories.h:51,
from GSCategories.m:28:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSObjCClass’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:193: error:
‘struct objc_object’ has no member named ‘class_pointer’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:194: warning:
control reaches end of non-void function
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSObjCSuper’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:214: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘class_get_super_class’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:214: warning:
return makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSObjCIsInstance’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:226: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘object_is_instance’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSObjCIsClass’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:238: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘object_is_class’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSClassFromName’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:269: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘objc_lookup_class’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:269: warning:
return makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSNameFromClass’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:281: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘class_get_class_name’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:281: warning:
return makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSClassNameFromObject’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:293: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘object_get_class_name’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:293: warning:
return makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSNameFromSelector’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:305: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘sel_get_name’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:305: warning:
return makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSSelectorFromName’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:322: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘sel_get_uid’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:322: warning:
return makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSSelectorFromNameAndTypes’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:345: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘sel_get_any_typed_uid’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:345: warning:
assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:349: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘sel_get_typed_uid’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:349: warning:
assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:355: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘sel_register_name’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:355: warning:
assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:359: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘sel_register_typed_name’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:359: warning:
assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSTypesFromSelector’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:377: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘sel_get_type’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:377: warning:
return makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: In function
‘GSObjCVersion’:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:638: warning:
implicit declaration of function ‘class_get_version’
In file included from ../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/
GSCategories.h:51,
from GSCategories.m:28:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h: At top level:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSObjCRuntime.h:682: error:
expected ‘)’ before ‘*’ token
In file included from GSCategories.m:28:
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSCategories.h:308: error:
expected ‘)’ before ‘retval_t’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSCategories.h:308: error:
expected ‘)’ before ‘arglist_t’
../../Headers/Additions/GNUstepBase/GSCategories.h:309: error:
expected ‘)’ before ‘arglist_t’
In file included from GSCategories.m:30:
.././GSPrivate.h:202: error: @defs is not supported in new abi
GSCategories.m: In function ‘-[NSAttributedString(GSCategories)
attributedSubstringWithRange:]’:
GSCategories.m:161: warning: format not a string literal and no format
arguments
GSCategories.m: In function ‘+[NSNumber(GSCategories)
valueFromString:]’:
GSCategories.m:1034: warning: ‘cString’ is deprecated (declared at /
System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Headers/NSString.h:367)
make[4]: *** [obj/GSCategories.m.o] Error 1
make[3]: *** [internal-subproject-all_] Error 2
make[2]: *** [Additions.all.subproject.variables] Error 2
make[1]: *** [libgnustep-baseadd.all.library.variables] Error 2
make: *** [internal-all] Error 2

This is on 10.6.1

Any ideas?

Thanks!

David

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[bug #27636] Scrollbar a few pixel off on NSWindows95InterfaceStyle

2009-11-09T14:28:29Z

Follow-up Comment #8, bug #27636 (project gnustep):

Looks good to me!

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Re: Progress with Gtk+-Theme

2009-11-09T11:05:13Z

Hans Baier schrieb:

> I already implemented drawing functions
> for most widgets (except NSPopUpButton, Menus and Tabs).
>
> Here is a screenshot:
>
> http://stashbox.org/687974/Bildschirmfoto.png
>
> here is the code:
>
> http://github.com/hansfbaier/gnustep-gnome
>
> NOTE: The code is extremely experimental, hackish and ugly at the
> moment. It will be cleaned up, as things settle and more of the final design
> emerges.

I added GSTheme methods for most of the classes that you needed to add
categories for. For NSTableHeaderCell I cannot make up my mind how to
best package up this as a theme.

Hope this helps
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Re: GNUstep dev environment

2009-11-09T10:55:38Z

Project Center is a native IDE. You can set Project Center to use vim instead of its built-in editor. You can download the latest stable version (0.5.0, from October 2008) at
http://gnustep.org/resources/sources.html and look for the development tools section.

--Tycho Martin Clendenny

HalypH wrote:

Hi all,
I'm newbie in GNUstep (and in Objective-C). What is the best dev environment for GNUstep? I'm using text editor (Vim) and console build, plus 'insight' as gdb front-end. But it doesn't like fast development environment for me.

Could you please share your better practice?

Thanks

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Fwd: SCALE 8X Call For Papers Closes December 1th

2009-11-09T07:05:10Z

Hey guys. If anyone is going to be at SCALE, it would be nice to
give a talk there about GNUstep. If anyone has any papers and will
be there, please submit them to SCALE for consideration.

I will be there in a booth this year.

GC

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Like other Open Source activities, the 'rising tide' is lifting SCALE:
SCALE 8x will add developer and beginner tracks along with the regular
general interest conference tracks. The Try-It lab, which was a huge
success at SCALE 7X, will also return.

If you'd like to speak at SCALE 8x, see http://socallinuxexpo.org to
submit your presentation proposal. The deadline for proposal
submissions is 15 Dec, 2009, but if you are considering speaking, we
recommend submitting your proposal very soon. There are limited
speaker slots, and if last year is any indication, the Expo will have
a tidal wave of proposals to wade through. Don't be left out!

Registration for SCALE will open November 16nd, 2009. This will be
Early Bird Registration, so consider registering before the prices go
up!

Mark your calendars - be in Los Angeles Feb. 19-21st, 2010, for SCALE
8x, where Open Source Happens!

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[bug #27636] Scrollbar a few pixel off on NSWindows95InterfaceStyle

2009-11-09T03:47:52Z

Update of bug #27636 (project gnustep):

Status: None => Fixed
Open/Closed: Open => In Test

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Follow-up Comment #7:

I've been through this code, simplified/clarified a little I hope, and fixed
a minor offset error which could have been your issue.
Please could you give it a go and see if this now acts as you expect.

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Re: A few problem with latest SVN stuff

2009-11-09T02:19:25Z

Stef Bidi schrieb:

> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Riccardo Mottola <multix@...> wrote:
> Hmm... I can't help but wonder what's going on here then, cause everything
> else (set hide dot files, etc) works as expected except for picking new
> themes.
>
> * This is just one thing I noticed, isn't GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration
>>> depricated? SystemPreferences still has it that way.
>>>
>> Yes... Isn't that correct? It works for me... except on Windows
>
> I thought it got changed to something along the lines:
> GSBackendHandlesWindowDecoration, or something like that, don't quote me on
> it. Fred should be able to say exactly what it is.

Looks like Richard already corrected this in SVN. SystemPreferences does
the right thing now and the windows backend behaves no the same as the
x11 one.

Thank you Richard!
Fred

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[bug #27882] image drawing code fails/crashes

2009-11-09T01:02:31Z

Follow-up Comment #4, bug #27882 (project gnustep):

I haven't had time to do more work on this ... I don't really know if it's
working or not.

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gdb on NetBSD with tcsh does not work

2009-11-08T23:10:30Z

Hi Folks,

it seems like gdb debugging on NetBSD 64 bit does not work.
It does not seem to start the executable.
If I change my login shell to /bin/sh it works as expected.
Would u please try on your boxes?
Thanks!

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Re: Some more screenshots of different Gtk+-Themes

2009-11-08T16:18:15Z

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Hans Baier <hansfbaier@...> wrote:

> Human:
>
> http://stashbox.org/687981/Bildschirmfoto.png
>
> Clearlooks:
>
> http://stashbox.org/687982/Bildschirmfoto-1.png
>
> Neutronium:
>
> http://stashbox.org/687983/Bildschirmfoto-2.png

Very cool :)

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Re: A few problem with latest SVN stuff

2009-11-08T16:03:32Z

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Riccardo Mottola <multix@...> wrote:

Anyway, this is what in GWorkspace:
* GWorkspace's dock doesn't "save" what applications have been docked across
restarts. That is, if I dock a bunch of applications, then log off using
the "Logout" menu item, then restart the session I'll be presented with an
empty dock, again.

Do you refer to the Dock or the Tabbed Shelf?

The dock.

In SystemPreferences:
* The "Apply" button on the themes preferences doesn't actually work. If I
hit apply, SystemPreferences' theme will change, however the default will
not be written, which means no other application actually gets the new
theme. If I restart SystemPreferences I'll be presented with the old theme.

Works for me!

Hmm... I can't help but wonder what's going on here then, cause everything else (set hide dot files, etc) works as expected except for picking new themes.

* This is just one thing I noticed, isn't GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration
depricated? SystemPreferences still has it that way.

Yes... Isn't that correct? It works for me... except on Windows

I thought it got changed to something along the lines: GSBackendHandlesWindowDecoration, or something like that, don't quote me on it. Fred should be able to say exactly what it is.

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Re: A few problem with latest SVN stuff

2009-11-08T15:46:45Z

Hi,

the things you describe should be backend-independent. I use xlib on my
laptop too, btw.
> Anyway, this is what in GWorkspace:
> * GWorkspace's dock doesn't "save" what applications have been docked across
> restarts. That is, if I dock a bunch of applications, then log off using
> the "Logout" menu item, then restart the session I'll be presented with an
> empty dock, again.
>
Do you refer to the Dock or the Tabbed Shelf?
> * The "Run" panel's ("Tools"->"Run...") text field does not allow me to edit
> it, which means I can't actually enter the applications I want run.
>
>
I can reproduce that.
> In SystemPreferences:
> * The "Apply" button on the themes preferences doesn't actually work. If I
> hit apply, SystemPreferences' theme will change, however the default will
> not be written, which means no other application actually gets the new
> theme. If I restart SystemPreferences I'll be presented with the old theme.
>
Works for me!
> * This is just one thing I noticed, isn't GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration
> depricated? SystemPreferences still has it that way.
>
Yes... Isn't that correct? It works for me... except on Windows

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Re: [Fwd: Re: GNUstep and Linux Fund]

2009-11-08T15:46:04Z

As for successful open source projects,
I found the following reading very valuable:

http://producingoss.com/

Kind regards,
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Re: [Fwd: Re: GNUstep and Linux Fund]

2009-11-08T15:43:43Z

> GNUstep has lacked and continues to lack good PR, consistent development of
> applications. But for the core itself I think the following points would
> help us a lot (in no particular order)

I think the design Website is - in its current state - a bit outdated:
It still appeals to the NeXT era kind of look and feel, but now
the most exciting stuff seems to be going on in OS X.

Also navigating the website, it could use more simplicity and structure.

The following sites have excellent design:
http://cocoadevcentral.com/ (try one of the tutorials)
http://cocoawithlove.com/2009/11/creating-iphone-and-mac-icons-using.html
and - last but not least the apple website.

But more important the Top most two reasons which prevent me from using
GNUstep for more than hobby hacking are those:

*. Look and feel. Althought Qt is an excellent development
environment, I ditched it together
with KDE, because it is so cluttered and grossly inconsistent in
its look and feel. Icons
play an extremely important role there, and the KDE icons look childish.
But consistency plays the most important role in look at feel.
Here, the default GNUstep theme, though outdated, is pretty good.
The master in this category here is OS X, but I dumped it for the
following reaon.

*. Usability: Having a fast, simple way of doing everyday work. For me,
keyboard support is the most important, since my day job is that of a
software developer. This is why I dumped OS X and ended up
installing Debian on
my $4000k Mac in the past: The weird keyboard layout, mostly missing keyboard
shortcuts for even the essential things (like maximizing /
minimizing windows),
no keyboard configurability made OS X a nice toy, but nothing
serious I could use
for day-to-day work. It seems to have improved since 10.3, but
for today I am put off by Apples restrictive licensing, and the
fact that I was forced
to spend EUR 150 for a new OS version, just to be able to run Java 1.5.

GNOME is the desktop of choice for me ATM, because it has modern look and
feel, is very consistent, and has a keyboard way of doing
things (like incremental search in the Alt-F2-Dialog and lists,
TAB-completion
in the File Dialog, configurable Keyboard shortcuts, being able to
use the cursor arrows
for GUI element focus navigation), without enforcing it on the user.

Look and feel as well as keyboard usability are my main issues with GNUstep ATM.
Hopefully with the Gtk+-Theme I am developing ATM, this will be fixed
soon (If I have time).
Interestingly, since the Gtk+-Theme goes much deeper than alternate pixmaps,
it shows how GSTheme could be extended in the future (especially where I have
to use Categories to override widget drawing functions).

Apart from that, one thing about GNUstep annoys me very much:
The absence of context menus. I don't know currently how OS X handles that,
but often I would find myself right-clicking on something, but the
application menu pops up.

Lastly about the GNUstep community: My main problem when I started contributing
(writing pbxbuild in two weeks of vacation), was that I did get no
feedback. I therefore felt that
no one really was using it / or cared about it and that extinguished
my motivation at that point
and my interest therefore changed to other things.
The GNUstep community, tough, is pretty friendly and tolerant to
mistakes, and today
I still remember Fred Kiefers kind reactions when I messed up things
in the cairo backend or broke something
in GNUstep gui.

I spent most of the my open source time in Ardour during the last two
years. It has a very lively community (especially in IRC).
There are lots of users coming in on IRC giving lots of feedback.
That kept me motivated for a long time. (But I currently don't use it much...)

Lastly about funding: I was very glad to read the news from the Linux
Fund, and since I also watched the project since 1996,
I am glad someone pays attention to it that way. I didn't quite
understand whether the $1000-$5000 figure was per month
or one-time sums from the mails, and I will be glad to see it used to
help GNUstep advance. Cheers to the linux fund for that.

Kind regards,
Hans Baier

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A few problem with latest SVN stuff

2009-11-08T14:25:40Z

I've been trying to use as many GNUstep applications as possible on a little test install that I have going on here and am running into a few problems. These are just the problems with GWorkspace, and I don't know if it's something I'm going or if they are bugs (everything used to work) and WindowMaker. I've installed everything from SVN yesterday (Sat Nov 7), so the code is fairly up to date. I'm also using the xlib backend (if that helps).

Anyway, this is what in GWorkspace:

* GWorkspace's dock doesn't "save" what applications have been docked across restarts. That is, if I dock a bunch of applications, then log off using the "Logout" menu item, then restart the session I'll be presented with an empty dock, again.

* The "Run" panel's ("Tools"->"Run...") text field does not allow me to edit it, which means I can't actually enter the applications I want run.

In SystemPreferences:

* The "Apply" button on the themes preferences doesn't actually work. If I hit apply, SystemPreferences' theme will change, however the default will not be written, which means no other application actually gets the new theme. If I restart SystemPreferences I'll be presented with the old theme.

* This is just one thing I noticed, isn't GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration depricated? SystemPreferences still has it that way.

In general:

* I set GSX11HandlesWindowDecoration to NO (have GNUstep draw the borders) and moving windows are extremely slow. I'm on a 500MHz PC, so it's really noticable. If I let WindowMaker decorate the window moving it around is really smooth, but when GNUstep is decorating them it's painfully slow. If I move the mouse fast enough (to one end or another of the screen) the window lags behind. I'll make a note here that I remember this also being an issue when I was on a 2.5GHz PC, just not as noticable there.

Let me know if I need to clarify anything or if I should file a bug report.

Stefan

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Re: Installing GNUstep on Win32 with gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe and SVN

2009-11-08T13:53:06Z

Hi Paul,

I found a couple of places - these on on GNUstep ftp even:
http://ftpmain.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/libs/

http://www.gtk-server.org/shared/libffi-mingw.zip (precompiled for
mingw)
And last but not least - the original source:
ftp://sourceware.org/pub/libffi/libffi-3.0.8.tar.gz

I had some issues last time I tried to compile libffi on mingw and have
given up that and instead use the ones in the Gnustep windows installer.

Best regards,
Tim

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 22:33 +0100, Paul Csanyi wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2009/11/8 Adam Fedor <fedor@...>:
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Paul Csanyi wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I want to install GNUstep system and development tools: Gorm and Project
> >> Center
> >> on my Win32 system.
> >>
> >> I have downloaded and installed the gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe.
> >>
> >> I have set up the HOME environment variables to C:/ in
> >> Start / Control Panel / System / Spetial (or Advanced?) / Environment
> >> variables...
> >
> > If you want the latest release, you should install
> >
> > gnustep-system-0.23.0-setup.exe
> > gnustep-core-0.23.00setup.exe
> >
> > and then try to compile Gorm and ProjectCenter.
> >
> >
> > If you looking to get the latest code from SVN, you can install
> > gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe, but then I would configure make with:
> >
> > ./configure --prefix=/GNUstep --with-config-file=/GNUstep/GNUstep.conf
> >
> > Note, you'll also need to download and install libffi and gnustep-objc
>
> OK
> I have downloaded gnustep-objc from SVN in C:\modules\dev-libs\libobjc
>
> so there I can shall install it.
>
> But from where can I download the libffi sources?
>

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Re: Installing GNUstep on Win32 with gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe and SVN

2009-11-08T13:33:57Z

Hi,

2009/11/8 Adam Fedor <fedor@...>:

>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Paul Csanyi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to install GNUstep system and development tools: Gorm and Project
>> Center
>> on my Win32 system.
>>
>> I have downloaded and installed the gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe.
>>
>> I have set up the HOME environment variables to C:/ in
>> Start / Control Panel / System / Spetial (or Advanced?) / Environment
>> variables...
>
> If you want the latest release, you should install
>
> gnustep-system-0.23.0-setup.exe
> gnustep-core-0.23.00setup.exe
>
> and then try to compile Gorm and ProjectCenter.
>
>
> If you looking to get the latest code from SVN, you can install
> gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe, but then I would configure make with:
>
> ./configure --prefix=/GNUstep --with-config-file=/GNUstep/GNUstep.conf
>
> Note, you'll also need to download and install libffi and gnustep-objc

OK
I have downloaded gnustep-objc from SVN in C:\modules\dev-libs\libobjc

so there I can shall install it.

But from where can I download the libffi sources?

--
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GNUstep dev environment

2009-11-08T13:19:45Z

Hi all,
I'm newbie in GNUstep (and in Objective-C). What is the best dev environment for GNUstep? I'm using text editor (Vim) and console build, plus 'insight' as gdb front-end. But it doesn't like fast development environment for me.

Could you please share your better practice?

Thanks

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[bug #27309] Can't start an app hidden....

2009-11-08T09:25:27Z

Follow-up Comment #4, bug #27309 (project gnustep):

I just submitted my proposed change, could you please have a look and report
back, whether this helped?

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Re: Installing GNUstep on Win32 with gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe and SVN

2009-11-08T08:12:59Z

On Nov 7, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Paul Csanyi wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to install GNUstep system and development tools: Gorm and
> Project Center
> on my Win32 system.
>
> I have downloaded and installed the gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe.
>
> I have set up the HOME environment variables to C:/ in
> Start / Control Panel / System / Spetial (or Advanced?) / Environment
> variables...

If you want the latest release, you should install

gnustep-system-0.23.0-setup.exe
gnustep-core-0.23.00setup.exe

and then try to compile Gorm and ProjectCenter.

If you looking to get the latest code from SVN, you can install
gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe, but then I would configure make with:

./configure --prefix=/GNUstep --with-config-file=/GNUstep/
GNUstep.conf

Note, you'll also need to download and install libffi and gnustep-objc

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[bug #27882] image drawing code fails/crashes

2009-11-08T07:33:15Z

Follow-up Comment #3, bug #27882 (project gnustep):

Richard, what is the state of this bug report. You added the code below and
improved it a lot. Does it work now?

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Re: Installing GNUstep on Win32 with gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe and SVN

2009-11-07T15:45:19Z

Hi,

Paul Csanyi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to install GNUstep system and development tools: Gorm and Project Center
> on my Win32 system.
>
> I have downloaded and installed the gnustep-system-0.24.0-setup.exe.
>
>
I would suggest do get both system and core.

> I have set up the HOME environment variables to C:/ in
> Start / Control Panel / System / Spetial (or Advanced?) / Environment
> variables...
>
I never did anything of the kind.

> In the MINGW32 shell I check out the gnustep SVN repository:
> svn co svn://svn.gna.org/svn/gnustep/modules
>
> So I have now in C:\ the following directories:
> C:\GNUstep
> C:\modules
>
> Using MINGW32 shell I navigate to
> c/modules/core/make
>
> and run the commands:
> $ ./configure --prefix=C:/GNUstep
> successfully,
>

./configure --prefix=/c/GNUstep/GNUstep

> $ make
> successfully,
>
> $ make install
> get error message:
> Creating system tools directory: C:/GNUstep/System/Tools
> Creating makefiles directories in: C:/GNUstep/System/Library/Makefiles
> Installing GNUstep configuration file in /etc/GNUstep/GNUstep.conf
> /bin/install: cannot open `GNUstep.conf´ for reading: No such file or directory
> make: **** [install] Error 1
>
> Why get I this error? What I'm doing wrong?
> Any advices will be appreciated!
>
>

I don't know. In any case installing the "core" packages will provide
you with everything,it is easier just to update everything, taking care
it will go to overwrite the same file.
That's why I suggest the prefix above. Then compile all core packages
with --with-installation-domain=SYSTEM and install with
make GNUSTEP_INSTALLATION_DOMAIN=SYSTEM install

Adam can tell you more,since he does the windows package.

Riccardo

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[patch #6839] NSSound to work with libsndfile and OpenAL

2009-11-07T14:29:25Z

Update of patch #6839 (project gnustep):

Status: None => Done
Open/Closed: Open => Closed

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[bug #27636] Scrollbar a few pixel off on NSWindows95InterfaceStyle

2009-11-07T14:23:51Z

Follow-up Comment #6, bug #27636 (project gnustep):

I guess the offset that I saw at the bottom was just my eyes playing tricks
on me. I just took at look at it again and don't see anything, so forget that
statement.

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[bug #27620] NSImages saved from GNUstep as tiffs cannot be read consistently on the Mac

2009-11-07T14:09:46Z

Update of bug #27620 (project gnustep):

Severity: 5 - Blocker => 2 - Minor

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I was able to open this image on my Mac with the QuickTime application. This
looks like it is rather a limitation of other Mac applications not of libtiff
that produced this image.

How was the image generated? Perhaps we need to provide a few more parameters
to libtiff to get all Mac applications to accept this format.

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