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GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by lcc -2
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Hi,
I just noticed that the GRAMPS article has been erased from the German Wikipedia, apparently for notability reasons. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/23._September_2009#GRAMPS_.28gel.C3.B6scht.29 This is obviously inappropriate and detrimental to the project. I'd ask the German contributors/translators to recreate a proper article there. It can also be based on one of the many articles available in multiple Wikipedias. --lcc Powered by the 6zap. Sign up at http://www.6zap.com for an account that provides advanced e-mail, calendar and contacts capabilities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list Gramps-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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Re: GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by Duncan Lithgow-5
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I'm afraid that my german is not up to Wikipedia standards. I suggest
that if you begin recreating the article you start witha discussion of it's uses compared to other genealogy software. Eastmans genealogy website has several reviews of the various versions, see also Linux Review, they've done a few reviews. Regards, Duncan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list Gramps-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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Re: GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by derHeinzi
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The german wikipedia is currently suffering from wikipedia-admins going postal. They are deleting a lot of stuff which they think does not have enough "relevance" to be in the wikipedia. There are a lot of discussions going on about this. So if anybody goes to work on the article, keep a copy of it. It might get deleted in wikipedia again before you pressed "OK" to submit it!
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Re: GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by Duncan Lithgow-5
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2009/11/11 derHeinzi <heinzbrinker@...>:
> > > The german wikipedia is currently suffering from wikipedia-admins going > postal. They are deleting a lot of stuff which they think does not have > enough "relevance" to be in the wikipedia. There are a lot of discussions > going on about this. So if anybody goes to work on the article, keep a copy > of it. It might get deleted in wikipedia again before you pressed "OK" to > submit it! I would certainly suggest that you put pressure on them to use the tags to request improvements instead of just removing articles. Duncan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list Gramps-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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Re: GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by Benny Malengier
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2009/11/11 derHeinzi <heinzbrinker@...>:
> > > The german wikipedia is currently suffering from wikipedia-admins going > postal. They are deleting a lot of stuff which they think does not have > enough "relevance" to be in the wikipedia. There are a lot of discussions > going on about this. So if anybody goes to work on the article, keep a copy > of it. It might get deleted in wikipedia again before you pressed "OK" to > submit it! > Apparently they believe the software is irrelevant. I suppose all sourceforge users can see file download statistics, from the downloads there, you see some 12000 possible users. That is those that download instead of using what is present in their distribution. Is that relevant? I really wouldn't know. Should it cost 50 Eur, it's a nice sum :-) Split over the last year, Date (UTC) Rank Total Pages 1 Downloads Project Web Hits Tracker opened (closed) Forum Posts Nov 2009 * 2,758 4,571 2,001 827 0 (0) 0 Oct 2009 3,056 13,714 5,311 2,508 0 (0) 0 Sep 2009 2,948 11,719 4,916 2,322 0 (0) 0 Aug 2009 1,105 10,862 4,964 1,957 0 (0) 0 Jul 2009 1,036 11,068 4,107 1,774 0 (0) 0 Jun 2009 956 13,378 4,025 1,723 0 (0) 0 May 2009 3,454 15,943 4,538 1,715 0 (0) 0 Apr 2009 1,239 16,697 4,948 1,349 0 (0) 0 Mar 2009 892 24,051 7,503 1,778 0 (0) 0 Feb 2009 1,550 19,270 4,725 1,678 0 (0) 0 Jan 2009 1,147 25,327 6,134 1,964 0 (0) 0 Dec 2008 577 25,861 6,599 2,349 0 (0) 0 So some 5000 downloads in normal months, more after releases. Genealogy is a small market. Benny > > lcc -2 wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I just noticed that the GRAMPS article has been erased from the German >> Wikipedia, apparently for notability reasons. >> >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/23._September_2009#GRAMPS_.28gel.C3.B6scht.29 >> >> This is obviously inappropriate and detrimental to the project. I'd >> ask the German contributors/translators to recreate a proper article >> there. >> It can also be based on one of the many articles available in multiple >> Wikipedias. >> >> --lcc >> >> >> Powered by the 6zap. Sign up at http://www.6zap.com for an account that >> provides advanced e-mail, calendar and contacts capabilities. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Gramps-devel mailing list >> Gramps-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/GRAMPS-article-deleted-from-German-Wikipedia-tp26285969p26299988.html > Sent from the GRAMPS - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gramps-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list Gramps-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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Re: GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by Duncan Lithgow-5
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2009/11/11 lcc <lcc@...>:
> That's a pertinent rationale but this issue is outrageous imo. These people > who erased the article have a lot of nerve. For starters there are about 15 > interwiki links, each one is an article GRAMPS in a different language. Probably > some proprietary software partisans. It's detrimental not only to GRAMPS but to > Free Software as a whole. >From what I could read of the original discussion link you sent, I think the main concern is that there is no democracy in this deletion of articles. The discussion was 50/50 for and against which should be enough to work on improving the article instead of deleting it, that's one problem. Of at least as much concern is the fact that the discussion was not about whether the subject of the article was notable, but whether the article itself was notable. They failed totally to look at real statistics of who and why some people use gramps. Duncan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list Gramps-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
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Re: GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by Jerome
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French version on wikipedia is marked as "a draft".
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramps I agreed ... but still there ! I suppose like for german, there is more complete articles out of wikipedia (also powerded by Mediawiki) : http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/GRAMPS Same for french : http://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Gramps Note, french wikipedia version is using Gramps for illustrating genealogical software ! :) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logiciel_de_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9alogie Also on German version (that's not very logical ...) :-\ http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computergenealogie --- En date de : Mer 11.11.09, lcc <lcc@...> a écrit : > De: lcc <lcc@...> > Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia > À: "derHeinzi" <heinzbrinker@...>, "Benny Malengier" <benny.malengier@...> > Cc: gramps-devel@... > Date: Mercredi 11 Novembre 2009, 20h40 > That's a pertinent rationale but this > issue is outrageous imo. These people > who erased the article have a lot of nerve. For starters > there are about 15 > interwiki links, each one is an article GRAMPS in a > different language. Probably > some proprietary software partisans. It's detrimental not > only to GRAMPS but to > Free Software as a whole. > > --lcc > > On Wed, 11/11/2009 at 5:27pm, "Benny Malengier" <benny.malengier@...> > wrote: > > 2009/11/11 derHeinzi <heinzbrinker@...>: > > >> The german wikipedia is currently suffering from > wikipedia-admins going > >> postal. They are deleting a lot of stuff which > they think does not have > >> enough "relevance" to be in the wikipedia. There > are a lot of discussions > >> going on about this. So if anybody goes to work on > the article, keep a copy > >> of it. It might get deleted in wikipedia again > before you pressed "OK" to > >> submit it! > > > Apparently they believe the software is irrelevant. I > suppose all > > sourceforge users can see file download statistics, > from the downloads > > there, you see some 12000 possible users. That is > those that download > > instead of using what is present in their > distribution. > > > Is that relevant? I really wouldn't know. Should it > cost 50 Eur, it's > > a nice sum :-) > > > Split over the last year, > > > Date (UTC) Rank > Total Pages 1 > Downloads Project Web Hits > > Tracker opened (closed) > Forum Posts > > Nov 2009 * 2,758 > 4,571 2,001 827 > 0 (0) 0 > > Oct 2009 > 3,056 13,714 > 5,311 2,508 > 0 (0) 0 > > Sep 2009 > 2,948 11,719 > 4,916 2,322 > 0 (0) 0 > > Aug 2009 > 1,105 10,862 > 4,964 1,957 > 0 (0) 0 > > Jul 2009 > 1,036 11,068 > 4,107 1,774 > 0 (0) 0 > > Jun 2009 > 956 > 13,378 4,025 > 1,723 0 (0) > 0 > > May 2009 3,454 > 15,943 4,538 > 1,715 0 (0) > 0 > > Apr 2009 > 1,239 16,697 > 4,948 1,349 0 (0) > 0 > > Mar 2009 892 > 24,051 > 7,503 1,778 > 0 (0) 0 > > Feb 2009 > 1,550 > 19,270 4,725 1,678 > 0 (0) 0 > > Jan 2009 1,147 > 25,327 6,134 > 1,964 0 (0) > 0 > > Dec 2008 577 > 25,861 6,599 2,349 > 0 (0) 0 > > > So some 5000 downloads in normal months, more after > releases. > > > Genealogy is a small market. > > > Benny > > >> lcc -2 wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> I just noticed that the GRAMPS article has > been erased from the German > >>> Wikipedia, apparently for notability reasons. > > >>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/23. > >>> _September_2009#GRAMPS_.28gel.C3.B6scht.29 > > >>> This is obviously inappropriate and > detrimental to the project. I'd > >>> ask the German contributors/translators to > recreate a proper article > >>> there. > >>> It can also be based on one of the many > articles available in multiple > >>> Wikipedias. > > >>> --lcc > > >>> Powered by the 6zap. Sign up at http://www.6zap.com for an account that > >>> provides advanced e-mail, calendar and > contacts capabilities. > > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> --- > >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - > Free Crystal Reports 2008 > >>> 30-Day > >>> trial. 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Re: GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia
by Benny Malengier
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2009/11/12 jerome <romjerome@...>:
> French version on wikipedia is marked as "a draft". > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramps > I agreed ... but still there ! > > I suppose like for german, there is more complete articles out of wikipedia (also powerded by Mediawiki) : > http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/GRAMPS > Same for french : > http://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Gramps > > Note, french wikipedia version is using Gramps for illustrating genealogical software ! :) > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logiciel_de_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9alogie Jerome, you should contribute to wikipedia a free picture of GRAMPS in french ! > Also on German version (that's not very logical ...) :-\ > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computergenealogie It would be nice if someone fixes that to have GRAMPS link to our website Benny > > > --- En date de : Mer 11.11.09, lcc <lcc@...> a écrit : > >> De: lcc <lcc@...> >> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS article deleted from German Wikipedia >> À: "derHeinzi" <heinzbrinker@...>, "Benny Malengier" <benny.malengier@...> >> Cc: gramps-devel@... >> Date: Mercredi 11 Novembre 2009, 20h40 >> That's a pertinent rationale but this >> issue is outrageous imo. These people >> who erased the article have a lot of nerve. For starters >> there are about 15 >> interwiki links, each one is an article GRAMPS in a >> different language. Probably >> some proprietary software partisans. It's detrimental not >> only to GRAMPS but to >> Free Software as a whole. >> >> --lcc >> >> On Wed, 11/11/2009 at 5:27pm, "Benny Malengier" <benny.malengier@...> >> wrote: >> > 2009/11/11 derHeinzi <heinzbrinker@...>: >> >> >> The german wikipedia is currently suffering from >> wikipedia-admins going >> >> postal. They are deleting a lot of stuff which >> they think does not have >> >> enough "relevance" to be in the wikipedia. There >> are a lot of discussions >> >> going on about this. So if anybody goes to work on >> the article, keep a copy >> >> of it. It might get deleted in wikipedia again >> before you pressed "OK" to >> >> submit it! >> >> > Apparently they believe the software is irrelevant. I >> suppose all >> > sourceforge users can see file download statistics, >> from the downloads >> > there, you see some 12000 possible users. That is >> those that download >> > instead of using what is present in their >> distribution. >> >> > Is that relevant? I really wouldn't know. Should it >> cost 50 Eur, it's >> > a nice sum :-) >> >> > Split over the last year, >> >> > Date (UTC) Rank >> Total Pages 1 >> Downloads Project Web Hits >> > Tracker opened (closed) >> Forum Posts >> > Nov 2009 * 2,758 >> 4,571 2,001 827 >> 0 (0) 0 >> > Oct 2009 >> 3,056 13,714 >> 5,311 2,508 >> 0 (0) 0 >> > Sep 2009 >> 2,948 11,719 >> 4,916 2,322 >> 0 (0) 0 >> > Aug 2009 >> 1,105 10,862 >> 4,964 1,957 >> 0 (0) 0 >> > Jul 2009 >> 1,036 11,068 >> 4,107 1,774 >> 0 (0) 0 >> > Jun 2009 >> 956 >> 13,378 4,025 >> 1,723 0 (0) >> 0 >> > May 2009 3,454 >> 15,943 4,538 >> 1,715 0 (0) >> 0 >> > Apr 2009 >> 1,239 16,697 >> 4,948 1,349 0 (0) >> 0 >> > Mar 2009 892 >> 24,051 >> 7,503 1,778 >> 0 (0) 0 >> > Feb 2009 >> 1,550 >> 19,270 4,725 1,678 >> 0 (0) 0 >> > Jan 2009 1,147 >> 25,327 6,134 >> 1,964 0 (0) >> 0 >> > Dec 2008 577 >> 25,861 6,599 2,349 >> 0 (0) 0 >> >> > So some 5000 downloads in normal months, more after >> releases. >> >> > Genealogy is a small market. >> >> > Benny >> >> >> lcc -2 wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >> >> >>> I just noticed that the GRAMPS article has >> been erased from the German >> >>> Wikipedia, apparently for notability reasons. >> >> >>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/23. >> >>> _September_2009#GRAMPS_.28gel.C3.B6scht.29 >> >> >>> This is obviously inappropriate and >> detrimental to the project. I'd >> >>> ask the German contributors/translators to >> recreate a proper article >> >>> there. >> >>> It can also be based on one of the many >> articles available in multiple >> >>> Wikipedias. >> >> >>> --lcc >> >> >>> Powered by the 6zap. Sign up at http://www.6zap.com for an account that >> >>> provides advanced e-mail, calendar and >> contacts capabilities. >> >> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> --- >> >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - >> Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> >>> 30-Day >> >>> trial. 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