GSIP 39 - Promote app-schema to extension

[Ben Caradoc-Davies-2]

http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+39+-+Promote+app-schema+to+extension

app-schema needs to be promoted to extension Real Soon Now (tm) if we
want it in 2.0_beta2.

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[Jody Garnett-3]

Indeed 2.0_beta2 is near (and thank you for putting application schema
in the short term roadmap - I noted it with Chris yesterday).

Quick question; does GSIP-39 just represent the completion of GSIP-31
or is a separate GSIP needed?

In terms of the proposal; can you also list a link to documentation
for the extension (I don't really mind what form it is in).

Cheers,
Jody

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Ben
Caradoc-Davies<Ben.Caradoc-Davies@...> wrote:

> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+39+-+Promote+app-schema+to+extension
>
> app-schema needs to be promoted to extension Real Soon Now (tm) if we
> want it in 2.0_beta2.
>
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> 26 Dick Perry Ave, Kensington WA 6151, Australia
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[Ben Caradoc-Davies-2]

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+39+-+Promote+app-schema+to+extension
>
> app-schema needs to be promoted to extension Real Soon Now (tm) if we
> want it in 2.0_beta2.

There has been an ongoing discussion between the AuScope and OpenGeo
crews about including app-schema in GeoServer 2.0_beta2 (now scheduled
for Monday). The idea is that app-schema, which consists of one GeoTools
artifact and some unit tests (only) in GeoServer, is best distributed as
a GeoServer extension. This means that it should be promoted from
community module to extension. There was in-principle support for this,
but because of the thin nature of app-schema (the implementation is all
in GeoTools), we neglected to discuss this on the list or follow the
community procedure. The proposal aims to remedy this oversight.

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[Ben Caradoc-Davies-2]

Jody Garnett wrote:
> Quick question; does GSIP-39 just represent the completion of GSIP-31
> or is a separate GSIP needed?

It needs a separate GSIP for promotion of a community module; GSIP 31
was for refactoring of core code, and independent of app-schema. The
release of 2.0 will complete GSIP 31 (completion requires release).

> In terms of the proposal; can you also list a link to documentation
> for the extension (I don't really mind what form it is in).

Done.

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[Justin Deoliveira-6]

Hi Ben,

Thanks for providing the background. Hopefully this is the first step in
the right direction for getting AuScope to start coordinating their
milestone releases with the main GeoServer road map. Given the release
date is this Monday showing up a couple days before hand with a proposal
is less than ideal, but a start :)

You do have an opportunity to negotiate release dates by taking part in
the weekly road map discussion. I want to stress that the whole point of
this discussion is to have people step up and make sure their interests
are reflected in the short term road map.

There are also no jira issues that reflect anything app-schema related
on the roadmap for beta2.

So if sticking strictly to the road map process app-schema would not
make it into this release. I suggest you take part in the road map
update and try to negotiate the release date. I for one would be fine
with pushing it back if it meant app-schema is included. You should also
make sure you have jira items on the road map.

-Justin

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+39+-+Promote+app-schema+to+extension
>>
>> app-schema needs to be promoted to extension Real Soon Now (tm) if we
>> want it in 2.0_beta2.
>
> There has been an ongoing discussion between the AuScope and OpenGeo
> crews about including app-schema in GeoServer 2.0_beta2 (now scheduled
> for Monday). The idea is that app-schema, which consists of one GeoTools
> artifact and some unit tests (only) in GeoServer, is best distributed as
> a GeoServer extension. This means that it should be promoted from
> community module to extension. There was in-principle support for this,
> but because of the thin nature of app-schema (the implementation is all
> in GeoTools), we neglected to discuss this on the list or follow the
> community procedure. The proposal aims to remedy this oversight.
>

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[Ben Caradoc-Davies-2]

Justin Deoliveira wrote:
> Given the release
> date is this Monday showing up a couple days before hand with a proposal
> is less than ideal, but a start :)

Well, let's get voting and get it done.

> You do have an opportunity to negotiate release dates by taking part in
> the weekly road map discussion.

These are held at 00:00 or 01:00 my local time. I cannot attend. It
would be useful if discussions on the geoserver-devel mailing list were
taken into consideration by those who are able to attend.

> I want to stress that the whole point of
> this discussion is to have people step up and make sure their interests
> are reflected in the short term road map.

A collection of Jira dumps is pretty unreadable.

> There are also no jira issues that reflect anything app-schema related
> on the roadmap for beta2.

I did not understand that one was required. I have added one. It took
several attempts to get it to show up. Hint: only fix version matters.

> So if sticking strictly to the road map process app-schema would not
> make it into this release. I suggest you take part in the road map
> update and try to negotiate the release date. I for one would be fine
> with pushing it back if it meant app-schema is included. You should also
> make sure you have jira items on the road map.

App-schema, and community schemas before it, has been on the 2.0 roadmap
for ages:
http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/Roadmap+Ideas

We also agreed to include it in 2.0_beta2.

Part of the problem is that all of app-schema main is in GeoTools, so
any issues will not show up in any GeoServer Jira plugin. Working around
this is very cumbersome.

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[Justin Deoliveira-6]

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> Justin Deoliveira wrote:
>> Given the release date is this Monday showing up a couple days before
>> hand with a proposal is less than ideal, but a start :)
>
> Well, let's get voting and get it done.
>
>> You do have an opportunity to negotiate release dates by taking part
>> in the weekly road map discussion.
>
> These are held at 00:00 or 01:00 my local time. I cannot attend. It
> would be useful if discussions on the geoserver-devel mailing list were
> taken into consideration by those who are able to attend.

Well we recently moved the planning to the mailing list, partly for this
exact purpose. Simply taking into account recent mailing list discussion
would be a bit to ad hoc. We need a way to tell who is working on what
or what gets into releases becomes arbitrary.

>
>> I want to stress that the whole point of this discussion is to have
>> people step up and make sure their interests are reflected in the
>> short term road map.
>
> A collection of Jira dumps is pretty unreadable.
>
>> There are also no jira issues that reflect anything app-schema related
>> on the roadmap for beta2.
>
> I did not understand that one was required. I have added one. It took
> several attempts to get it to show up. Hint: only fix version matters.
>
>> So if sticking strictly to the road map process app-schema would not
>> make it into this release. I suggest you take part in the road map
>> update and try to negotiate the release date. I for one would be fine
>> with pushing it back if it meant app-schema is included. You should
>> also make sure you have jira items on the road map.
>
> App-schema, and community schemas before it, has been on the 2.0 roadmap
> for ages:
> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/Roadmap+Ideas
>
> We also agreed to include it in 2.0_beta2.
>
> Part of the problem is that all of app-schema main is in GeoTools, so
> any issues will not show up in any GeoServer Jira plugin. Working around
> this is very cumbersome.

I am not sure what to say Ben, we have been following this process for
months now, and I have stressed to you many times how crucial it is for
your group to take part in that process.
>


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[Justin Deoliveira-6]

>
> I am not sure what to say Ben, we have been following this process for
> months now, and I have stressed to you many times how crucial it is for
> your group to take part in that process.

But to be fair, this should be better documented. I am going to make it
a top priority to do up a "community process" doc so we can try to
minimize communication break downs such as this.
>
>


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[Jody Garnett-3]

>> In terms of the proposal; can you also list a link to documentation
>> for the extension (I don't really mind what form it is in).
>
> Done.
>
Thanks Ben; I have added my vote to the GSIP page. It looks like
Justin is helping you hold up the release train for this much
anticipated feature.

Jody

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[Ben Caradoc-Davies-2]

Justin Deoliveira wrote:
> I am not sure what to say Ben, we have been following this process for
> months now, and I have stressed to you many times how crucial it is for
> your group to take part in that process.
> But to be fair, this should be better documented. I am going to make it
> a top priority to do up a "community process" doc so we can try to
> minimize communication break downs such as this.

I have been following the community modules guide as well as I can:
http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+22+-+Community+Modules

Perhaps some mention here of how to get into a release?

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