GStreamer per component virtual users

[Filippo Argiolas-2]

Hi all,
I'm looking for a way to watch single GStreamer components in GNOME Bugzilla.
Right now it's not possible because Default Assignee for each
component is set to gstreamer-bugs@... [1]

I had a brief discussion with Andre about it. He told me there is a
chance to add a virtual user for each component (e.g.
gst-plugins-good@..., gst-plugins-bad@..., ...) so that
who doesn't want to receive notifications for all components can just
watch single virtual users.

Could you set up everything to make it work?
I'm not listed as a GStreamer developer in bugzilla but we discussed
about it on IRC (I can get  them to comment here if needed) and they
all agree as long as:
- gstreamer-bugs@... will still receive all bug
mails for the gstreamer product
- people who's watching gstreamer-bugs@... will
still receive all mails

Thanks!

Filippo


1. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=gstreamer
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[Olav Vitters]

On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:22:39PM +0200, Filippo Argiolas wrote:
> about it on IRC (I can get  them to comment here if needed) and they
> all agree as long as:
> - gstreamer-bugs@... will still receive all bug
> mails for the gstreamer product
> - people who's watching gstreamer-bugs@... will
> still receive all mails

Impossible. If you watch someone, you watch that person. This doesn't
include the everyone that person is also watching.

Meaning:
gstreamer-bugs@... watches gst-*@...

userA watches gst-plugins-good@...

userB watches gstreamer-bugs@...


If a change is made by userC in plugins-good:

userC gets an email

userB won't get an email

userA gets an email

gstreamer-bugs@... gets an email

Note: gets an email depends on the user settings. Might not want their
own changes, etc.

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[Filippo Argiolas-2]

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Olav Vitters<olav@...> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:22:39PM +0200, Filippo Argiolas wrote:
>> about it on IRC (I can get  them to comment here if needed) and they
>> all agree as long as:
>> - gstreamer-bugs@... will still receive all bug
>> mails for the gstreamer product
>> - people who's watching gstreamer-bugs@... will
>> still receive all mails
>
> Impossible. If you watch someone, you watch that person. This doesn't
> include the everyone that person is also watching.

Uhm, so there wouldn't be any way to watch all gstreamer products (let
alone watching each single product)? Wouldn't
gstreamer-bugs@... still be default QA contact for
all products and, so users watching it wouldn't still receive all
notifications?

Filippo
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[Olav Vitters]

On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 02:19:28PM +0200, Filippo Argiolas wrote:
> Uhm, so there wouldn't be any way to watch all gstreamer products (let
> alone watching each single product)? Wouldn't
> gstreamer-bugs@... still be default QA contact for
> all products and, so users watching it wouldn't still receive all
> notifications?

You mean you want the default assignee and QA person to be different
dummy addresses (mailing list and @gnome.bugs)? Then nobody can assign
something to themselves anymore.

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[Filippo Argiolas-2]

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Olav Vitters<olav@...> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 02:19:28PM +0200, Filippo Argiolas wrote:
>> Uhm, so there wouldn't be any way to watch all gstreamer products (let
>> alone watching each single product)? Wouldn't
>> gstreamer-bugs@... still be default QA contact for
>> all products and, so users watching it wouldn't still receive all
>> notifications?
>
> You mean you want the default assignee and QA person to be different
> dummy addresses (mailing list and @gnome.bugs)? Then nobody can assign
> something to themselves anymore.

I'm not sure I'm following you, I've looked into bugzilla docs (both
current and 2.x versions) and there is no place where it says Default
Assignee and QA should be the same. How would it prevent anyone to
reassign the bug to another user (themself or someone else)?

Regards,
Filippo
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[Andre Klapper]

Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:23 +0200 schrieb Filippo Argiolas:
> > You mean you want the default assignee and QA person to be different
> > dummy addresses (mailing list and @gnome.bugs)? Then nobody can assign
> > something to themselves anymore.
>
> I'm not sure I'm following you, I've looked into bugzilla docs (both
> current and 2.x versions) and there is no place where it says Default
> Assignee and QA should be the same.

This has nothing to do with technical docs.
This is about workflows that are (more or less) defined in a project.

>  How would it prevent anyone to
> reassign the bug to another user (themself or someone else)?

If you want to use both Assignee *and* QA address for watching those
"users" you will lose watching when someone assigns a bug yo himselves
(and hence removes the default assignee from the bug).

andre
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[Filippo Argiolas-2]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Andre Klapper<ak-47@...> wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:23 +0200 schrieb Filippo Argiolas:
>>  How would it prevent anyone to
>> reassign the bug to another user (themself or someone else)?
>
> If you want to use both Assignee *and* QA address for watching those
> "users" you will lose watching when someone assigns a bug yo himselves
> (and hence removes the default assignee from the bug).

Well I could say that this would be the expected behavior: if someone
assigns a bug to himself he's going to take care of it until it's
resolved so there is no reason for the others to keep watching it and
they can just CC themselves if still interested.

Anyway, let me summarize the choices we have as I understood:
1. Create a virtual user for each component, set it as default
assignee and leave the mailing list as default QA contact.
This will allow to watch both single components (with virtual users)
and the whole product at once (with the mailing list) but it will have
that little downside discussed above.
2. Create a virtual user for each component, set it both as default
assignee and QA contact.
This will allow to watch single components but there won't be any way
to watch the whole product. It wouldn't have though that downside.
3. Leave as it is now with no chance to follow single components.

If you can confirm I'm not missing anything I'll contact the other
gstreamer hackers to see how we want to proceed.
Thanks,

Filippo
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[Andre Klapper]

Am Sonntag, den 07.06.2009, 21:22 +0200 schrieb Filippo Argiolas:
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Andre Klapper<ak-47@...> wrote:
> > If you want to use both Assignee *and* QA address for watching those
> > "users" you will lose watching when someone assigns a bug yo himselves
> > (and hence removes the default assignee from the bug).
>
> Well I could say that this would be the expected behavior: if someone
> assigns a bug to himself he's going to take care of it until it's
> resolved so there is no reason for the others to keep watching it and
> they can just CC themselves if still interested.

I disagree.
I want to watch a bug from when I decided to subscribe until its end. I
don't want to manually CC again just because someone starts working on
it. Without this manual CC'ing I would never receive an email when it
gets fixed.

When we talked on IRC I didn't realize that you do not automatically
watch users that are watched by users that you watch, but Olav is of
course right and now that I think about it it makes sense - otherwise
this would trigger huge amounts of mail (and loops).

Gstreamer: So either everything remains as it is, or virtual users are
created for each component and set as default QA contact, and every real
person has to add all those virtual users to their watchlist if
interested in watching the entire Gstreamer product.

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[Filippo Argiolas-2]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Andre Klapper<ak-47@...> wrote:

> Am Sonntag, den 07.06.2009, 21:22 +0200 schrieb Filippo Argiolas:
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Andre Klapper<ak-47@...> wrote:
>> > If you want to use both Assignee *and* QA address for watching those
>> > "users" you will lose watching when someone assigns a bug yo himselves
>> > (and hence removes the default assignee from the bug).
>>
>> Well I could say that this would be the expected behavior: if someone
>> assigns a bug to himself he's going to take care of it until it's
>> resolved so there is no reason for the others to keep watching it and
>> they can just CC themselves if still interested.

Hey, I'm back, I had a bunch of exams (and still have some next week
:-() and completely forgot about this thing :-P

> I disagree.
> I want to watch a bug from when I decided to subscribe until its end. I
> don't want to manually CC again just because someone starts working on
> it. Without this manual CC'ing I would never receive an email when it
> gets fixed.

Ok, I'm sorry then, I didn't have a clear idea about our bugzilla
setup and how bugzilla actually worked.
Anyway I'd still say that if I'm watching a whole product and someone
assigns a bug to himself I would be fine to not receive any more mail
from that bug since someone else is caring about it.
It's not like you decided to watch a bug and you get unsubscribed,
there's CC for that, we're talking about watching a whole product and
not getting notifications for assigned bugs.

> Gstreamer: So either everything remains as it is, or virtual users are
> created for each component and set as default QA contact, and every real
> person has to add all those virtual users to their watchlist if
> interested in watching the entire Gstreamer product.

I finally managed to come up with some good filtering with gmail, I
don't have disk space requirements and I can easily ignore bugs I
don't care labelling them by product name. So I'm fine to leave
everything as it is now, if any other gstreamer hacker will feel the
need for this change I guess we'll bring this up again.

Thanks for making everything more clear and sorry for the noise!

Ciao,

Filippo
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