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GUI test tool for C# thin client?
by Lisa Crispin-2
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by Mark Levison-2
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by Rob Park-3
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Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client?
by Lisa Crispin-2
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Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client?
by Rob Park-3
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by Gilles Mantel
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by zfisherdrums
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Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client?
by Rob Park-3
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Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client?
by sean.stolberg
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RE: Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client?
by Luis Cavalheiro
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Interesting comment from Sean but unfortunately true. Test automation can
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Subject: [agile-testing] Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client? I'm going to have to strongly agree with Rob here. As a tester implementing this kind of automation, *any* test automation is going to amount to development work, ramping up on a programming language, and maintenance. You might as well pour that time into working with the devs to refactor some of the app to become more testable through the API (See Lisa Crispin's "Testing Extreme Programming" or Gerard Meszaro's "xUnit Test Patterns" about using the subcutaneous api test approach) and automate in the application language so you can end up with a more testable app and more robust/less brittle tests. Using *any* "test through the GUI" automation approach is like someone put "building sandcastles by the shore; eventually a big wave (change in the app) will come and wash it all away". They you'll be disheartened that all of that effort you put into White, or any other GUI tester, is rendered fairly broken. This could be the most important initial automation decision you make so think carefully about it. Hope this helps. Sean --- In agile-testing@... <mailto:agile-testing%40yahoogroups.com> , Rob Park <robert.d.park@...> wrote: > > P.S. FWIW... I don't think actually driving the GUI is very cost effective. > If you can follow the MVP approach and test through the Presenter then the > View becomes very light and just about wiring. Manually testing the form > once will verify it's actually wired and from there it's not too likely to > break. So IME, you don't end up actually finding anything new via slow > running, more expensive GUI tests. > //rob > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Rob Park <robert.d.park@...> wrote: > > > Yeah, sorry... Model-View-Presenter ... so not directly driving the GUI > > click here, click there, but writing fixtures to invoke methods on the > > presenter. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Lisa Crispin <lisa.crispin@...>wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Can you elaborate? MVP - model view presenter? I guess fitnesse can hook > >> into any code, but driving the GUI? > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Rob Park <robert.d.park@...>wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> For this, I've always just used MVP and then FitNesse to hook into the > >>> Presenters. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Rob > >>> -- > >>> http://agileintention.blogspot.com > >>> http://twitter.com/robpark > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Lisa Crispin > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone have recommendations for an open source GUI test tool for a > >>>> non-web GUI written in C#? I only know of White, but I think that might be > >>>> Java only? 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Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client?
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by sean.stolberg
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by chris morris-7
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Re: GUI test tool for C# thin client?
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