Geosilk icons upgrade

[Andrea Aime-4]

Hi,
maybe not everybody is aware of that, but GeoServer UI is using the
GeoSilk icon set: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk

I upgraded the icons we had to the latest revision (GEOS-3556) and used
the occasion to make the layers and preview page use a type specific
icon: instead of just "vector" the icon now tells the user if the
layer is a point, line or polygon (using the old icon for unspecified
vector layers).

I've attached a sample screenshot. What do you think?

Cheers
Andrea

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[Rolando Peñate]

On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Andrea Aime wrote:

Hi,
maybe not everybody is aware of that, but GeoServer UI is using the
GeoSilk icon set: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk

Thanks for sending this, Andrea. I had meant to email the list about the updated raster and vector icons before RC2 went final (as you suggested) but I was on vacation at the time and dropped the ball.

I upgraded the icons we had to the latest revision (GEOS-3556) and used
the occasion to make the layers and preview page use a type specific
icon: instead of just "vector" the icon now tells the user if the
layer is a point, line or polygon (using the old icon for unspecified
vector layers).

I've attached a sample screenshot. What do you think?

I think this looks great. Does the generic vector icon (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png) make sense in context for unspecified vector layers?

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[Andrea Aime-4]

Rolando Peñate ha scritto:

> On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Andrea Aime wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> maybe not everybody is aware of that, but GeoServer UI is using the
>> GeoSilk icon set: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk
>
> Thanks for sending this, Andrea. I had meant to email the list about the
> updated raster and vector icons before RC2 went final (as you suggested)
> but I was on vacation at the time and dropped the ball.
>
>> I upgraded the icons we had to the latest revision (GEOS-3556) and used
>> the occasion to make the layers and preview page use a type specific
>> icon: instead of just "vector" the icon now tells the user if the
>> layer is a point, line or polygon (using the old icon for unspecified
>> vector layers).
>>
>> I've attached a sample screenshot. What do you think?
>
> I think this looks great. Does the generic vector icon
> (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png)
> make sense in context for unspecified vector layers?

It makes enough sense imho. An icon with a mix of points, lines and
polygons might represent better the undeterminate-dness of the geometry
type, but at the same time it could become quite dense graphically
wise (to the point of being confusing).

Another minor detail is about the raster icons, on my screen the
contrast between the pixels is low and at a first glance the icon
might seem just a square with some pattern fill inside (i.e., it's
not readily apparent that it's actually a grid).

Cheers
Andrea

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[Rolando Peñate]

On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Andrea Aime wrote:

> <snip />
>
> Another minor detail is about the raster icons, on my screen the  
> contrast between the pixels is low and at a first glance the icon
> might seem just a square with some pattern fill inside (i.e., it's
> not readily apparent that it's actually a grid).
>
> Cheers
> Andrea

I can certainly edit them (that's what version control is for, after  
all). Does the attached work better? Need still more contrast?

—R





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[Justin Deoliveira-6]

The icons look great guys. Nice work.

As for the generic vector icon i do agree that having the mix of the
three would be the best, but understandable it is hard to pull off with
that many pixels.

Another nice to have may be to represent multi geometries, having the
point icon have multiple points, line string icons with multiple line
strings, etc... again maybe a bit hard to pull off with a limited amount
of real estate to work with. But just a thought.

-Justin

Rolando Peñate wrote:

> On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Andrea Aime wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> maybe not everybody is aware of that, but GeoServer UI is using the
>> GeoSilk icon set: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk
>
> Thanks for sending this, Andrea. I had meant to email the list about the
> updated raster and vector icons before RC2 went final (as you suggested)
> but I was on vacation at the time and dropped the ball.
>
>> I upgraded the icons we had to the latest revision (GEOS-3556) and used
>> the occasion to make the layers and preview page use a type specific
>> icon: instead of just "vector" the icon now tells the user if the
>> layer is a point, line or polygon (using the old icon for unspecified
>> vector layers).
>>
>> I've attached a sample screenshot. What do you think?
>
> I think this looks great. Does the generic vector icon
> (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png)
> make sense in context for unspecified vector layers?
>
> —R
>
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> Design Lead
> OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org <http://opengeo.org/>
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[Jody Garnett-3]

> Hi,
> maybe not everybody is aware of that, but GeoServer UI is using the
> GeoSilk icon set: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk

Nice.

This should be passed on to the graphics@... email list where
projects are also trying to work with a similar mandate (ie visual
harmonization across projects).

> I upgraded the icons we had to the latest revision (GEOS-3556) and used
> the occasion to make the layers and preview page use a type specific
> icon: instead of just "vector" the icon now tells the user if the
> layer is a point, line or polygon (using the old icon for unspecified
> vector layers).
>
> I've attached a sample screenshot. What do you think?

There is one weakness with the new icons that I tried to address when
I took a run at this; often we have an unknown "Geometry" and need to
represent point, line, and polygon via the same image. If I do that
with the images provided it ends up looking like a rectangle that has
been crossed out.

I really like the raster icon :-)

Jody

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[Andrea Aime-4]

Rolando Peñate ha scritto:

> On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Andrea Aime wrote:
>
>> <snip />
>>
>> Another minor detail is about the raster icons, on my screen the
>> contrast between the pixels is low and at a first glance the icon
>> might seem just a square with some pattern fill inside (i.e., it's
>> not readily apparent that it's actually a grid).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrea
>
> I can certainly edit them (that's what version control is for, after
> all). Does the attached work better? Need still more contrast?

Yup, it indeed works better. More contrast... maybe make the light
pixels a bit lighter? Otherwise it's good as it is.
Remember I don't have a Mac so my color profile is different, plus
my color perception is different as well (the set of color shades
I actually see is lower than the one of a person with normal color
perception) so both might be concurring in my difficulty to recognize
the grid at a glance.

Cheers
Andrea

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[Rolando Peñate]

On Nov 4, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

>> Hi,
>> maybe not everybody is aware of that, but GeoServer UI is using the
>> GeoSilk icon set: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk
>
> <snip />

>> I upgraded the icons we had to the latest revision (GEOS-3556) and  
>> used
>> the occasion to make the layers and preview page use a type specific
>> icon: instead of just "vector" the icon now tells the user if the
>> layer is a point, line or polygon (using the old icon for unspecified
>> vector layers).
>>
>> I've attached a sample screenshot. What do you think?
>
> There is one weakness with the new icons that I tried to address when
> I took a run at this; often we have an unknown "Geometry" and need to
> represent point, line, and polygon via the same image. If I do that
> with the images provided it ends up looking like a rectangle that has
> been crossed out.

So it seems the consensus is that the generic vector icon that's  
cribbed from uDig (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png 
) no longer works here?

—R
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[Andrea Aime-4]

Rolando Peñate ha scritto:

> On Nov 4, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
>>> Hi,
>>> maybe not everybody is aware of that, but GeoServer UI is using the
>>> GeoSilk icon set: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk
>> <snip />
>
>>> I upgraded the icons we had to the latest revision (GEOS-3556) and  
>>> used
>>> the occasion to make the layers and preview page use a type specific
>>> icon: instead of just "vector" the icon now tells the user if the
>>> layer is a point, line or polygon (using the old icon for unspecified
>>> vector layers).
>>>
>>> I've attached a sample screenshot. What do you think?
>> There is one weakness with the new icons that I tried to address when
>> I took a run at this; often we have an unknown "Geometry" and need to
>> represent point, line, and polygon via the same image. If I do that
>> with the images provided it ends up looking like a rectangle that has
>> been crossed out.
>
> So it seems the consensus is that the generic vector icon that's  
> cribbed from uDig (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png 
> ) no longer works here?

Well, it does not seem to convey the idea that the geom type is vector
but unkonwn. Looking at it I have the impression of looking at a polygon
layer with blue fill (a sort of a mini sample map).

Cheers
Andrea

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[Rolando Peñate]

On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Andrea Aime wrote:
> Rolando Peñate ha scritto:
>>>> <snip />

>>> There is one weakness with the new icons that I tried to address  
>>> when
>>> I took a run at this; often we have an unknown "Geometry" and need  
>>> to
>>> represent point, line, and polygon via the same image. If I do that
>>> with the images provided it ends up looking like a rectangle that  
>>> has
>>> been crossed out.

>> So it seems the consensus is that the generic vector icon that's  
>> cribbed from uDig (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png 
>>  ) no longer works here?
>
> Well, it does not seem to convey the idea that the geom type is  
> vector but unkonwn. Looking at it I have the impression of looking  
> at a polygon
> layer with blue fill (a sort of a mini sample map).

This is why—despite how great it looks—I was wary of going into detail  
beyond raster/vector on that page rather than using a 'generic' vector  
icon. :)

Combining all three geom types into one icon obvious won't work in  
such a constrained space (nor does cominbation really convey the idea  
of 'unknown' geom type) and, once that is settled, we'll run into  
issues with the modified icons (eg, the add vector, vector file, WFS,  
etc. icons on http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk/).

I'll keep thinking of ways to deal with the generic/unknown vector  
issue but I'm definitely open to further suggestions.

—R
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[Jody Garnett-3]

On 06/11/2009, at 3:16 AM, Rolando Peñate wrote:

> So it seems the consensus is that the generic vector icon that's  
> cribbed from uDig (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png 
> ) no longer works here?

It is not that - the point of the udig icon set is to use a consistent  
set of combinations.  So you change the generic vector icon you need  
to update the icons that depend on that.

So we have a good place to start; once the look of the layer (point /  
line / poly) is established; and we have a generic geometry defined we  
need to remember to update the different datastore icons to match (ie  
server + generic feature overlay).

I don't mind updating the udig icon set to match what is decided here;  
or we could go move to the graphics@... list if you like.

So there are two things to think about:
- my rant about combining poly / point / shape to represent generic is  
mostly of concern to me when I create the icon based on the current  
style (it looks like you have just drawn them with a paint program? I  
have some code that draws them based on SLD settings). As such I want  
to make sure the "point" does not get confused with the polygon or line.

One thing that I think would be powerful here is to leave the raster  
as a square shape; and see if we can make the polygon shape non square  
to tell them apart at different sizes; would a diamond work? Or would  
knocking the top left corner off the square work?

Jody


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[Jody Garnett-3]

I think we got two ideas on the table here:
- difference between raster and vector
- once you have established vector the ability to communicate polygon,  
point, or line (if known). If unknown perhaps we could stick to a  
generic vector icon?
- once you have established raster the ability to communicate bands  
gray or rgb or actual grid coverage

jody
On 06/11/2009, at 4:42 AM, Rolando Peñate wrote:

> On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Andrea Aime wrote:
>> Rolando Peñate ha scritto:
>>>>> <snip />
>
>>>> There is one weakness with the new icons that I tried to address
>>>> when
>>>> I took a run at this; often we have an unknown "Geometry" and need
>>>> to
>>>> represent point, line, and polygon via the same image. If I do that
>>>> with the images provided it ends up looking like a rectangle that
>>>> has
>>>> been crossed out.
>
>>> So it seems the consensus is that the generic vector icon that's
>>> cribbed from uDig (http://projects.opengeo.org/common/geosilk/trunk/geosilk/vector.png
>>> ) no longer works here?
>>
>> Well, it does not seem to convey the idea that the geom type is
>> vector but unkonwn. Looking at it I have the impression of looking
>> at a polygon
>> layer with blue fill (a sort of a mini sample map).
>
> This is why—despite how great it looks—I was wary of going into detail
> beyond raster/vector on that page rather than using a 'generic' vector
> icon. :)
>
> Combining all three geom types into one icon obvious won't work in
> such a constrained space (nor does cominbation really convey the idea
> of 'unknown' geom type) and, once that is settled, we'll run into
> issues with the modified icons (eg, the add vector, vector file, WFS,
> etc. icons on http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk/).
>
> I'll keep thinking of ways to deal with the generic/unknown vector
> issue but I'm definitely open to further suggestions.
>
> —R
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