Getting Started - Need somebody to point me in the right direction please

[Stefan-120]

Just installed hercules-3.06-leopard.dmg.

I guess the hercules.cnf depends on the OS I run. So where do I get one? What is closest to z/OS and where do I get a starter hercules.cnf?

Thanks - Stefan

[kerravon86]

--- In hercules-390@..., "Stefan" <safendoulis@...> wrote:
>
> Just installed hercules-3.06-leopard.dmg.
>
> I guess the hercules.cnf depends on the OS I run. So where
> do I get one? What is closest to z/OS and where do I get a
> starter hercules.cnf?

Legal or illegal?

Illegal I think you can get OS/390 ADCD from emule
and other places. Not sure if z/OS is also available.
I've never bothered to check. There's virtually no
traffic about it in the Hercules groups.

Legal - MVS/380 comes closest thanks to its ability
to run 31-bit programs using more than 16 MB. Most
public development chatter in the Hercules forums
is regarding efforts to bridge gaps between it and
z/OS. You can get that from http://mvs380.sourceforge.net
It is based on Turnkey-3, which is probably the most
popular legal distribution in use (silent majority
if you will). If you're using Windows, you can use
tk3qstart to assist with the installation process. See
recent traffic in this group for the location.

It depends what you're after. Do you want to program
in C? You will need a 31-bit system to compile large
C programs. 24-bit will work fine for small programs.

If you want to learn DB2 or ISPF programming or something
like that, then the legal OSes are useless. If you
like the idea of raising the un-dead, then the legal
OSes are a hell of a lot of fun.

BFN.  Paul.

[Stefan-120]

I'm interested in the real thing, not masturabtion.

--- In hercules-390@..., "kerravon86" <kerravon86@...> wrote:

>
> --- In hercules-390@..., "Stefan" <safendoulis@> wrote:
> >
> > Just installed hercules-3.06-leopard.dmg.
> >
> > I guess the hercules.cnf depends on the OS I run. So where
> > do I get one? What is closest to z/OS and where do I get a
> > starter hercules.cnf?
>
> Legal or illegal?
>
> Illegal I think you can get OS/390 ADCD from emule
> and other places. Not sure if z/OS is also available.
> I've never bothered to check. There's virtually no
> traffic about it in the Hercules groups.
>
> Legal - MVS/380 comes closest thanks to its ability
> to run 31-bit programs using more than 16 MB. Most
> public development chatter in the Hercules forums
> is regarding efforts to bridge gaps between it and
> z/OS. You can get that from http://mvs380.sourceforge.net
> It is based on Turnkey-3, which is probably the most
> popular legal distribution in use (silent majority
> if you will). If you're using Windows, you can use
> tk3qstart to assist with the installation process. See
> recent traffic in this group for the location.
>
> It depends what you're after. Do you want to program
> in C? You will need a 31-bit system to compile large
> C programs. 24-bit will work fine for small programs.
>
> If you want to learn DB2 or ISPF programming or something
> like that, then the legal OSes are useless. If you
> like the idea of raising the un-dead, then the legal
> OSes are a hell of a lot of fun.
>
> BFN.  Paul.
>

[Jay Maynard-2]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:33:14PM -0000, Stefan wrote:
> I'm interested in the real thing, not masturabtion.

Now, Stefan, that was uncalled for.

The problem is that IBM has not made its mainframe OSes available for
individual use except by remote access to their datacenters at high cost.
There's not much any of us can do about that.

Please don't run down the hard work of others who are doing their best to
make some subset of the tools available to the individual developer.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC                   http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com      http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org               (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

[Stefan-120]

Hey, not running down anything intentionally. Wasn't aware that none  
of the older versions weren't available to Joe Public, thought I was  
likening one of them as "not the real thing". Sorry about that folks :(

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On 13-Oct-2009, at 22:40, Jay Maynard <jmaynard@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:33:14PM -0000, Stefan wrote:
> > I'm interested in the real thing, not masturabtion.
>
> Now, Stefan, that was uncalled for.
>
> The problem is that IBM has not made its mainframe OSes available for
> individual use except by remote access to their datacenters at high  
> cost.
> There's not much any of us can do about that.
>
> Please don't run down the hard work of others who are doing their  
> best to
> make some subset of the tools available to the individual developer.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
> Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390
>

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[Stan Saraczewski]

Jay makes a good point - there is an incredible amount of time that people have spent on this project.
 
I certainly do respect them for it.
 


--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Stefan <safendoulis@...> wrote:


From: Stefan <safendoulis@...>
Subject: [hercules-390] Getting Started - Need somebody to point me in the right direction please
To: hercules-390@...
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:37 AM


 



Just installed hercules-3.06- leopard.dmg.

I guess the hercules.cnf depends on the OS I run. So where do I get one? What is closest to z/OS and where do I get a starter hercules.cnf?

Thanks - Stefan

















     

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