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Re: Planner-list Tuts?

2009-11-24T02:42:40Z

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Juan Pablo Valois Valencia
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> Hi everybody,

Hi,

> I'm starting a set of projects and I want to learn how to manage it with
> this app, but I can't see documentation or tutorials about its usage.

You should be able to find the manuel in the Help menu.

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Planner-list Tuts?

2009-11-23T18:14:48Z

Hi everybody,

I'm starting a set of projects and I want to learn how to manage it with this app, but I can't see documentation or tutorials about its usage.

If somebody can help me, I'll be grateful.

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Re: Planner-list noworking days

2009-11-19T12:51:22Z

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 06:52:19PM +0100, prof.meca@... wrote:
> hello again
> thank for you reply
> do you know if, in a future version, it will be possible to hide noworking days.

When new features are requested we encourage the requester to submit a
report in bugzilla with severity set to 'enhancement'. If other people
would also like to see this feature, they should add themselves to the
CC list of the bug report.

We try to get an impression for how popular a feature is with our users
and the CC list is an important indicator for that.

If there is enough demand for a feature, then there's a good chance it
will be implemented in the future.

By only implementing the features that are most in demand, I hope we
will end up with a very useful, easy to use, no-nonsense application.

Regards,
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Re: Planner-list noworking days

2009-11-19T09:52:19Z

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Maurice van der Pot
<griffon26@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:57:27PM +0100, prof.meca@... wrote:
>> is it possible not to see noworking days in gantt view ?
>
> No, it is not possible to hide non-working days from the gantt view.

Oops, sorry for my earlier answer, I had read "is it possible to see".

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hello again
thank for you reply
do you know if, in a future version, it will be possible to hide noworking days.

vincent verilhac
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Re: Planner-list noworking days

2009-11-18T13:36:37Z

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Maurice van der Pot
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> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:57:27PM +0100, prof.meca@... wrote:
>> is it possible not to see noworking days in gantt view ?
>
> No, it is not possible to hide non-working days from the gantt view.

Oops, sorry for my earlier answer, I had read "is it possible to see".

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Re: Planner-list noworking days

2009-11-18T09:34:58Z

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:57:27PM +0100, prof.meca@... wrote:
> is it possible not to see noworking days in gantt view ?

No, it is not possible to hide non-working days from the gantt view.

Regards,
Maurice.

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Re: Planner-list noworking days

2009-11-17T16:01:01Z

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:57 PM, <prof.meca@...> wrote:
> hello

Hi fellow French,

> is it possible not to see noworking days in gantt view ?
> thanking you in anticipation for your reply

You should see them if you zoom in enough.

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Planner-list noworking days

2009-11-17T12:57:27Z

hello
is it possible not to see noworking days in gantt view ?
thanking you in anticipation for your reply
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Re: Planner-list What is the best way to print the project?

2009-11-10T20:55:13Z

Is there a way to adjust the print to fit on a page? I don't want the export to html, the format and report is not very useful. Need this badly, please advise. Thank you.

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Subject: Re: Planner-list What is the best way to print the project?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:12:03 +0800

Hi Alexandre,

Hope we will see much improvement on the printing. This is the most important, imagine we have done so much with planner, but cannot print out a proper output. This is really frustrating.

Also, the completion % should not apply to parent task. And there should be good indicator on expiring tasks. Those are basic features of project management.

Thanks for the reply.

Cheers,
Klark

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Klark Ooi <kooi@...> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> the project view and print layout are very difficult to adjust. Any advice on the best practices? thanks.

As you can see in some of our bug reports, for instance
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129141, our current
printing system isn't very flexible. That's something we need to work
on.

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Re: Planner-list What is the best way to print the project?

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Hi Alexandre,

Hope we will see much improvement on the printing. This is the most important, imagine we have done so much with planner, but cannot print out a proper output. This is really frustrating.

Also, the completion % should not apply to parent task. And there should be good indicator on expiring tasks. Those are basic features of project management.

Thanks for the reply.

Cheers,
Klark
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Klark Ooi <kooi@...> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> the project view and print layout are very difficult to adjust. Any advice on the best practices? thanks.

As you can see in some of our bug reports, for instance
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129141, our current
printing system isn't very flexible. That's something we need to work
on.

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Re: Planner-list What is the best way to print the project?

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To:
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To:
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Hi Alexandre,

Hope we will see much improvement on the printing. This is the most important, imagine we have done so much with planner, but cannot print out a proper output. This is really frustrating.

Also, the completion % should not apply to parent task. And there should be good indicator on expiring tasks. Those are basic features of project management.

Thanks for the reply.

Cheers,
Klark
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Klark Ooi <kooi@...> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> the project view and print layout are very difficult to adjust. Any advice on the best practices? thanks.

As you can see in some of our bug reports, for instance
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129141, our current
printing system isn't very flexible. That's something we need to work
on.

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Re: Planner-list What is the best way to print the project?

2009-11-09T08:10:40Z

Hi Alexandre,

Hope we will see much improvement on the printing. This is the most important, imagine we have done so much with planner, but cannot print out a proper output. This is really frustrating.

Also, the completion % should not apply to parent task. And there should be good indicator on expiring tasks. Those are basic features of project management.

Thanks for the reply.

Cheers,
Klark

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Klark Ooi <kooi@...> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> the project view and print layout are very difficult to adjust. Any advice on the best practices? thanks.

As you can see in some of our bug reports, for instance
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129141, our current
printing system isn't very flexible. That's something we need to work
on.

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Re: Planner-list What is the best way to print the project?

2009-11-09T03:31:33Z

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Klark Ooi <kooi@...> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> the project view and print layout are very difficult to adjust. Any advice on the best practices? thanks.

As you can see in some of our bug reports, for instance
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129141, our current
printing system isn't very flexible. That's something we need to work
on.

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Re: Planner-list Planner calendar view

2009-11-09T03:22:51Z

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Klark Ooi <kooi@...> wrote:
> Hi there,

Hi,

> Is it possible to change the weekly view to monthly view? Thanks.

Yes, just use the zoom buttons.

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Re: Planner-list basic importer

2009-11-09T02:41:40Z

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:27 AM, sting <sting@...> wrote:
> Right now is it possible to import from a MS Project XML. Is there any
> chance that a more basic type of import gets implemented, such as
> importing from a CSV file?

As far as I know, nobody's working on it at the moment. However,
there's a feature request for export to CSV at
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590657 and when someone
works on it, I'm sure they can work on import as well.

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Planner-list basic importer

2009-11-09T00:27:22Z

Right now is it possible to import from a MS Project XML. Is there any
chance that a more basic type of import gets implemented, such as
importing from a CSV file?

Thanks,
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Planner-list What is the best way to print the project?

2009-11-08T18:47:25Z

Hi, the project view and print layout are very difficult to adjust. Any advice on the best practices? thanks.

Warmest regards,
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Planner-list Planner calendar view

2009-11-08T18:27:28Z

Hi there,

Is it possible to change the weekly view to monthly view? Thanks.

Warmest regards,
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Re: Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

2009-10-30T11:20:25Z

De : Maurice van der Pot griffon26@...

Envoyé : 30/10/2009 18:11:50 +0100

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Objet : Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:14:35AM +0100, Ricardo Fernandez wrote:

is there any way to centralize a collective analyze and specification 
for algorithm evolution ?
is there any conceptual documentation (exept code and its comments) for 
link rules and sheduling algorithm ?
I have no time (like everyone) but should be interessed (probably like 
some others) to contribute to a conceptual specification


The problem is not in coming up with an idea for scheduling, it is in
finding someone who is willing to work on it and stick with it.

When thinking about how scheduling should work it quickly pulls in many
many other things that ideal scheduling functionality requires, such as
split tasks.

I totally agree ; remember my sentense just before your extract :
" the less restrictive is a tool, the more useful it is... and the more complex is the algorithm."
and spliting tasks (for example) was to my mind an absolute necessity for schedulling taking ressources in account.

The bigger the ideas and requirements get, the more
motivation you need to actually take on the problem of implementation.

ok for 'big ideas'.
concerning requirements and precise specifications, instead, I thought it could help implementation as well as motivation.

Additionally it is harder to motivate someone to implement other
people's requirements than it is to get them to implement their own.

In my opinion discussing requirements like this will go nowhere unless
the one starting the discussion is the one who plans to implement it.
Look through bugzilla for this feature, you'll see what I mean.

that's done !
and that's precisely why I suggested another way of work.

in conclusion, I fear that those who hope Planner can become the accurate tool they need, there are two options :
- discussion list ; a waste of time
- waiting for developpers to find time and motivation...

Regards
Ricardo FERNANDEZ

Regards,
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Re: Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

2009-10-30T10:11:50Z

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:14:35AM +0100, Ricardo Fernandez wrote:
> is there any way to centralize a collective analyze and specification
> for algorithm evolution ?
> is there any conceptual documentation (exept code and its comments) for
> link rules and sheduling algorithm ?
> I have no time (like everyone) but should be interessed (probably like
> some others) to contribute to a conceptual specification

The problem is not in coming up with an idea for scheduling, it is in
finding someone who is willing to work on it and stick with it.

When thinking about how scheduling should work it quickly pulls in many
many other things that ideal scheduling functionality requires, such as
split tasks. The bigger the ideas and requirements get, the more
motivation you need to actually take on the problem of implementation.

Additionally it is harder to motivate someone to implement other
people's requirements than it is to get them to implement their own.

In my opinion discussing requirements like this will go nowhere unless
the one starting the discussion is the one who plans to implement it.
Look through bugzilla for this feature, you'll see what I mean.

Regards,
Maurice.

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Re: Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

2009-10-29T17:14:35Z

Hello Kurt,

If you want to change the start date on a task with a 'SF' relationship, you should assign a resource and adjust the resource units to something less than 100%.

problem : using resources this way turns it to nothing more than an abstract parameter.

Well, if you've set the finish date for task A with a SF or FF relationship, then we need to let the start date float

That's precisely the question : the finish date for task A is then set and fixed. both start date and finish date for task A sould be floating
two rules can be imagined to define SF links :
- end(A) < start(Deadline) ; that's the minimal constraint and so the more usefull (and generally the actual logical link).
- end(A) = start(Deadline) ; that's the maximal constraint for an SF link, and the Planner's one. generally too restrictive.

the less restrictive is a tool, the more useful it is... and the more complex is the algorithm.

is there any way to centralize a collective analyze and specification for algorithm evolution ?
is there any conceptual documentation (exept code and its comments) for link rules and sheduling algorithm ?
I have no time (like everyone) but should be interessed (probably like some others) to contribute to a conceptual specification

Planner is no far away from being an excelent simple and intuitive tool but, to be honest, I'm not acheaving to use it efficiently at this time

Regards,
Ricardo FERNANDEZ

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Envoyé : 29/10/2009 14:35:30 +0100

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Objet : Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 23:08 +0100, Ricardo Fernandez wrote:

Hello Pete,

I'm not sure to understand, but my comment could help.

if you have a "Deadline" task  for a part of your project (including,
for exemple, task A)
 - you can set "Deadline" task as a fixed date milestone
 - of course you can't set any predecessor for this fixed date task
 - so you can't set A as predecessor (for example "end to start" link)
for "Deadline" task, but...
 - you can set "Deadline" task as predecessor (same example ; "start
to end" link) of A

Correct.  The way to set up this relationship is to edit your task A and
set up the deadline as a predecessor with a 'SF' relationship.  Task A
will then be scheduled so that it ends just prior to the deadline task.

limits for this example :
 - even if A is an "as soon as possible" task, it will be scheduled to
"the last moment" before "Deadline". why ? we just wan't it to become
a "not after" task.


ASAP just means that the task start date will float based on predecessor
relationships.  Planner schedules all tasks (without assigned resources)
assuming that a single resource will work at 100% capacity for the
duration, and sets the start and end dates accordingly.  If you want to
change the start date on a task with a 'SF' relationship, you should
assign a resource and adjust the resource units to something less than
100%.

 - you can't anticipate A setting it to fixed date (today for
example). why ?


see above

 - you can't set any other predecessor to A (a current task ending
tomorrow, linked "end to start", for example), even if A has been
scheduled on next year. why ?

Well, if you've set the finish date for task A with a SF or FF
relationship, then we need to let the start date float in order for the
scheduling algorithm to work.

If you created a task B, you could set task A as a predecessor with a SF
or FF relationship.  In this way, you're essentially scheduling from the
deadline back to the present day.

I agree that external constraints are decisive in project scheduling
and that Planner constraints rules are too much restrictive.
but it's not an easy problem, and coding realy accurate rules could be
an infinite task.

so just try to use such links with parsimony 

Regards,
Ricardo FERNANDEZ



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Envoyé :  25/10/2009 13:14:00 +0100
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Objet :  Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:42 AM, pete davidson caitifty@... wrote:

Hi all

Hi,

I'm trying to use Planner to manage academic grant applications.  As such,
there's a number of key tasks whose dates are externally set and
non-negotiable (such as the date the grant must be submitted to the funding
agency, or the date a letter of intent is due to the funding agency).  I've
been 'locking' these dates by creating a milestone task (eg "Submit grant")
with a schedule of 'on fixed date' on the required date.

The problem I'm having is when I try and link these milestone tasks to the
rest of the tasks in the project by setting a predecessor.  This produces
the error "You cannot add a relationship to a task with a Must Start On
constraint."  I've also tried using a one-day task instead of a milestone
task, but get the same error.

The problem here is with the meaning of the predecessor relationship.
If you set A as a predecessor of B, it means that you cannot start
working on B until A is done. So what would happen if you start A on
oct 26th, need 4 days to finish it and set B on oct 28th (fixed date)?
That wouldn't make any sense because you'd need to work on B but you
couldn't since A isn't done yet.

This has nothing to do with the fact that it's a milestone.

Is there another approach to dealing with externally set fixed dates that
I'm missing, or a way to set milestone tasks which allows linking to other
tasks?

You can do it without the predecessor relationship, I think it's the
way that would make the most sense.

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Re: Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

2009-10-29T06:34:51Z

On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 23:08 +0100, Ricardo Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Pete,
>
> I'm not sure to understand, but my comment could help.
>
> if you have a "Deadline" task for a part of your project (including,
> for exemple, task A)
> - you can set "Deadline" task as a fixed date milestone
> - of course you can't set any predecessor for this fixed date task
> - so you can't set A as predecessor (for example "end to start" link)
> for "Deadline" task, but...
> - you can set "Deadline" task as predecessor (same example ; "start
> to end" link) of A
>

Correct. The way to set up this relationship is to edit your task A and
set up the deadline as a predecessor with a 'SF' relationship. Task A
will then be scheduled so that it ends just prior to the deadline task.

> limits for this example :
> - even if A is an "as soon as possible" task, it will be scheduled to
> "the last moment" before "Deadline". why ? we just wan't it to become
> a "not after" task.

ASAP just means that the task start date will float based on predecessor
relationships. Planner schedules all tasks (without assigned resources)
assuming that a single resource will work at 100% capacity for the
duration, and sets the start and end dates accordingly. If you want to
change the start date on a task with a 'SF' relationship, you should
assign a resource and adjust the resource units to something less than
100%.

> - you can't anticipate A setting it to fixed date (today for
> example). why ?

see above

> - you can't set any other predecessor to A (a current task ending
> tomorrow, linked "end to start", for example), even if A has been
> scheduled on next year. why ?
>
Well, if you've set the finish date for task A with a SF or FF
relationship, then we need to let the start date float in order for the
scheduling algorithm to work.

If you created a task B, you could set task A as a predecessor with a SF
or FF relationship. In this way, you're essentially scheduling from the
deadline back to the present day.

> I agree that external constraints are decisive in project scheduling
> and that Planner constraints rules are too much restrictive.
> but it's not an easy problem, and coding realy accurate rules could be
> an infinite task.
>
> so just try to use such links with parsimony
>
> Regards,
> Ricardo FERNANDEZ
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> De : Alexandre Franke <alexandre.franke@...>
> Envoyé : 25/10/2009 13:14:00 +0100
> À : planner <planner-list@...>
> Objet : Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks
>
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:42 AM, pete davidson <caitifty@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > > I'm trying to use Planner to manage academic grant applications. As such,
> > > there's a number of key tasks whose dates are externally set and
> > > non-negotiable (such as the date the grant must be submitted to the funding
> > > agency, or the date a letter of intent is due to the funding agency). I've
> > > been 'locking' these dates by creating a milestone task (eg "Submit grant")
> > > with a schedule of 'on fixed date' on the required date.
> > >
> > > The problem I'm having is when I try and link these milestone tasks to the
> > > rest of the tasks in the project by setting a predecessor. This produces
> > > the error "You cannot add a relationship to a task with a Must Start On
> > > constraint." I've also tried using a one-day task instead of a milestone
> > > task, but get the same error.
> > >
> >
> > The problem here is with the meaning of the predecessor relationship.
> > If you set A as a predecessor of B, it means that you cannot start
> > working on B until A is done. So what would happen if you start A on
> > oct 26th, need 4 days to finish it and set B on oct 28th (fixed date)?
> > That wouldn't make any sense because you'd need to work on B but you
> > couldn't since A isn't done yet.
> >
> > This has nothing to do with the fact that it's a milestone.
> >
> >
> > > Is there another approach to dealing with externally set fixed dates that
> > > I'm missing, or a way to set milestone tasks which allows linking to other
> > > tasks?
> > >
> >
> > You can do it without the predecessor relationship, I think it's the
> > way that would make the most sense.
> >
> >
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Re: Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

2009-10-28T15:08:52Z

Hello Pete,

I'm not sure to understand, but my comment could help.

if you have a "Deadline" task for a part of your project (including, for exemple, task A)
- you can set "Deadline" task as a fixed date milestone
- of course you can't set any predecessor for this fixed date task
- so you can't set A as predecessor (for example "end to start" link) for "Deadline" task, but...
- you can set "Deadline" task as predecessor (same example ; "start to end" link) of A

limits for this example :
- even if A is an "as soon as possible" task, it will be scheduled to "the last moment" before "Deadline". why ? we just wan't it to become a "not after" task.
- you can't anticipate A setting it to fixed date (today for example). why ?
- you can't set any other predecessor to A (a current task ending tomorrow, linked "end to start", for example), even if A has been scheduled on next year. why ?

I agree that external constraints are decisive in project scheduling and that Planner constraints rules are too much restrictive.
but it's not an easy problem, and coding realy accurate rules could be an infinite task.

so just try to use such links with parsimony

Regards,
Ricardo FERNANDEZ

De : Alexandre Franke alexandre.franke@...

Envoyé : 25/10/2009 13:14:00 +0100

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Objet : Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:42 AM, pete davidson caitifty@... wrote:

Hi all

Hi,

I'm trying to use Planner to manage academic grant applications.  As such,
there's a number of key tasks whose dates are externally set and
non-negotiable (such as the date the grant must be submitted to the funding
agency, or the date a letter of intent is due to the funding agency).  I've
been 'locking' these dates by creating a milestone task (eg "Submit grant")
with a schedule of 'on fixed date' on the required date.

The problem I'm having is when I try and link these milestone tasks to the
rest of the tasks in the project by setting a predecessor.  This produces
the error "You cannot add a relationship to a task with a Must Start On
constraint."  I've also tried using a one-day task instead of a milestone
task, but get the same error.


The problem here is with the meaning of the predecessor relationship.
If you set A as a predecessor of B, it means that you cannot start
working on B until A is done. So what would happen if you start A on
oct 26th, need 4 days to finish it and set B on oct 28th (fixed date)?
That wouldn't make any sense because you'd need to work on B but you
couldn't since A isn't done yet.

This has nothing to do with the fact that it's a milestone.

Is there another approach to dealing with externally set fixed dates that
I'm missing, or a way to set milestone tasks which allows linking to other
tasks?


You can do it without the predecessor relationship, I think it's the
way that would make the most sense.

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Re: Planner-list Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built with enable-simple-priority-scheduling

2009-10-28T11:51:53Z

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:38:30AM +0200, Ricardo Fernandez wrote:
> I do not expect anybody to do it for me ; I just suppose somebody
> already built this version (including this option) for this platform.

I don't think anyone has, because if I remember correctly the feature
is oooold, incomplete and broken. It's useless to users right now.

Maurice.

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Re: Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

2009-10-25T05:14:00Z

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:42 AM, pete davidson <caitifty@...> wrote:
> Hi all

Hi,

> I'm trying to use Planner to manage academic grant applications. As such,
> there's a number of key tasks whose dates are externally set and
> non-negotiable (such as the date the grant must be submitted to the funding
> agency, or the date a letter of intent is due to the funding agency). I've
> been 'locking' these dates by creating a milestone task (eg "Submit grant")
> with a schedule of 'on fixed date' on the required date.
>
> The problem I'm having is when I try and link these milestone tasks to the
> rest of the tasks in the project by setting a predecessor. This produces
> the error "You cannot add a relationship to a task with a Must Start On
> constraint." I've also tried using a one-day task instead of a milestone
> task, but get the same error.

The problem here is with the meaning of the predecessor relationship.
If you set A as a predecessor of B, it means that you cannot start
working on B until A is done. So what would happen if you start A on
oct 26th, need 4 days to finish it and set B on oct 28th (fixed date)?
That wouldn't make any sense because you'd need to work on B but you
couldn't since A isn't done yet.

This has nothing to do with the fact that it's a milestone.

> Is there another approach to dealing with externally set fixed dates that
> I'm missing, or a way to set milestone tasks which allows linking to other
> tasks?

You can do it without the predecessor relationship, I think it's the
way that would make the most sense.

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Planner-list predecessors for fixed date tasks

2009-10-24T21:42:32Z

Hi all

Apologies for what's probably a newbie question.

I'm trying to use Planner to manage academic grant applications. As such, there's a number of key tasks whose dates are externally set and non-negotiable (such as the date the grant must be submitted to the funding agency, or the date a letter of intent is due to the funding agency). I've been 'locking' these dates by creating a milestone task (eg "Submit grant") with a schedule of 'on fixed date' on the required date.

The problem I'm having is when I try and link these milestone tasks to the rest of the tasks in the project by setting a predecessor. This produces the error "You cannot add a relationship to a task with a Must Start On constraint." I've also tried using a one-day task instead of a milestone task, but get the same error.

Is there another approach to dealing with externally set fixed dates that I'm missing, or a way to set milestone tasks which allows linking to other tasks?

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

Regards

Pete

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Re: Planner-list taking into account resources for task scheduling

2009-10-23T17:15:00Z

Hello sting,

I tested Planner a month ago ; same feeling of lake, and same question to planner-list.

you could find more information on http://markmail.org/browse/org.gnome.planner-list
as an abstract : take attention to http://live.gnome.org/Planner...

§ Bounties, about "ressource allocation", dated june 2008
§ Current development, about "ressource leveling", related to a post dated... january 2004 !

to my mind, it has been the main issue for years, but it seems the project became 'asleep' some years ago.

what you can do :
if you are able (or have time) to build Planner yourself from sources, do it with --enable-simple-priority-scheduling option (old experimental feature)
in such a case, you could add --with-database build option for database support (needs libgda), as an hope to be able to share calendars and... ressources between projects

my opinion : it's a pity ; Planner could be a compact and usable project management tool...
Nota : no budget management nor project versionning...

regards,

Ricardo FERNANDEZ

De : "sting" sting@...

Envoyé : 23/10/2009 19:38:58 +0200

À : planner-list@...

Objet : Planner-list taking into account resources for task scheduling

Hello,

I am trying planner for the first time.  I'm doing a simple test that
isn't giving me the results I was expecting.  I create 2 tasks (task1 and
task2), and I create 1 resource.  I assign that resource to both tasks. 
Despite that, in the Gantt view, the tasks are scheduled in parallel, as
if the resource could work on both those tasks.

I was expecting the scheduling to automatically schedule task1 THEN task2.

I know I could link the tasks, but this isn't a task dependency, so I was
hoping not to have to do it this way (I need this for real task
dependencies, not dependencies that are due to the same person working on
both tasks since that person is the implicit dependency).

I may be missing something.  Is anyone able to point me out to what it is?

Thanks,
sting


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Planner-list taking into account resources for task scheduling

2009-10-23T10:38:58Z

Hello,

I am trying planner for the first time. I'm doing a simple test that
isn't giving me the results I was expecting. I create 2 tasks (task1 and
task2), and I create 1 resource. I assign that resource to both tasks.
Despite that, in the Gantt view, the tasks are scheduled in parallel, as
if the resource could work on both those tasks.

I was expecting the scheduling to automatically schedule task1 THEN task2.

I know I could link the tasks, but this isn't a task dependency, so I was
hoping not to have to do it this way (I need this for real task
dependencies, not dependencies that are due to the same person working on
both tasks since that person is the implicit dependency).

I may be missing something. Is anyone able to point me out to what it is?

Thanks,
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Re: Planner-list Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built with enable-simple-priority-scheduling

2009-10-19T05:25:08Z

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Ricardo Fernandez
<ricardo.fernandez@...> wrote:
> nota : I didn't find any information on how to activate database menus.
> is this due to another buil option, or did I miss something ?

Yes, database support needs libgda on your system and --with-database
build option.

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Re: Planner-list Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built with enable-simple-priority-scheduling

2009-10-19T02:38:30Z

Hello,

thank you for your answer.
I'm interessed, even if experimental.

No, I didn't try to bild it by myself (never done, and seems quite difficult...)
I do not expect anybody to do it for me ; I just suppose somebody already built this version (including this option) for this platform.

nota : I didn't find any information on how to activate database menus.
is this due to another buil option, or did I miss something ?

Regards
Ricardo FERNANDEZ

De : Alexandre Franke alexandre.franke@...

Envoyé : 19/10/2009 10:45:01 +0200

À : planner planner-list@...

Objet : Planner-list Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built with enable-simple-priority-scheduling

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ricardo Fernandez
ricardo.fernandez@... wrote:

Hello all,

Hi,

I'd like to use Planner, but do not find any complete version (missing
priority scheduling and database access)


As far as I know, "simple priority scheduling" is an experimental
feature and it's broken for the moment.

it seems it can be specified on build :
--enable-simple-priority-scheduling
...and something similar to add database acces menus ?
does anybody have a Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built whith those options ?


Have you tried building it yourself?

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Re: Planner-list Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built with enable-simple-priority-scheduling

2009-10-19T01:45:01Z

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ricardo Fernandez
<ricardo.fernandez@...> wrote:
> Hello all,

Hi,

> I'd like to use Planner, but do not find any complete version (missing
> priority scheduling and database access)

As far as I know, "simple priority scheduling" is an experimental
feature and it's broken for the moment.

> it seems it can be specified on build :
> --enable-simple-priority-scheduling
> ...and something similar to add database acces menus ?
> does anybody have a Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built whith those options ?

Have you tried building it yourself?

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Re: Planner-list Planner complete percentage complete does not go beyond 75%

2009-10-15T07:12:36Z

I was not the first to report this some months ago.

Please, take a look at this solution:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580216
.

2009/10/15 Anil Konsal <anil@...>

Hi,

I have just upgraded to planner 0.14.4. I an having an issue that the complete percentage of any task does not go beyond 75%. I even tried on new empty project, but the same issue.

It was working fine in 0.14.2

Kindly help.

Thanks and Regards,
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Re: Planner-list Printing function

2009-10-15T06:54:44Z

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM, F.Krajnik <f.krajnik@...> wrote:
> Hi!

Hi,

> We use planner for some time and it's meeting all our demands except the
> printing function. It's not possible to zoom in or out, guide lines are not
> shown, one cannot change to landscape format ...
> Is there an update planned?

There's already a feature request for that:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129141

As far as I know, no work has been done on that yet.

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2009-10-15T06:06:15Z

Hi!

We use planner for some time and it's meeting all our demands except the printing function. It's not possible to zoom in or out, guide lines are not shown, one cannot change to landscape format ...

Is there an update planned?

Kind regards,

Friedrich

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Planner-list Planner complete percentage complete does not go beyond 75%

2009-10-15T02:43:30Z

Hi,

I have just upgraded to planner 0.14.4. I an having an issue that the complete percentage of any task does not go beyond 75%. I even tried on new empty project, but the same issue.

It was working fine in 0.14.2

Kindly help.

Thanks and Regards,
Anil Konsal

Techies India Inc.

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Planner-list Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built with enable-simple-priority-scheduling

2009-10-08T10:36:38Z

Hello all,

I'd like to use Planner, but do not find any complete version (missing priority scheduling and database access)

it seems it can be specified on build :
--enable-simple-priority-scheduling...and something similar to add database acces menus ?

does anybody have a Planner V0.14.4 for windows, built whith those options ?
thanks in advance.
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