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Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18T20:03:39Z

Excellent, that's what I hoping for.
Thanks,
chip

Aaron Dalton wrote:

On 18/12/2009 5:31 PM, chip wrote:

Francisco Vila wrote:

2009/12/18 chip chip@...:

Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install
disk
that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins
installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection
set up
for working on music and lily.

Windows or Linux?

WinXP

Java can be installed from a file. Jedit can be installed from a file
upon Java.  On a computer with internet connection, install the jedit
plugins and copy the settings folder where they live, I think this
could trick to an existing jedit install making it to behave just as
if the plugins were installed from the online plugin repo.

I don't see a settings folder, did find a settings-backup folder buried
under Documents and Settings etc etc etc.
Can I just copy the entire .jedit folder from that directory and paste
into a new install of jedit on the other computer? That would be the
easiest thing to do, if it'll actually work afterwards.

You could install it while online, then pull off the ethernet cable,
uninstall, and try to install again from the files while offline.

Can't install it offline, the computer I need it installed on is in a
location with no internet access.


The settings folder is in your "home" folder
(c:\windows\DaS\Username\.jedit) if I'm not mistaken.  You can copy the
main jedit folder (c:\program files\jedit) to a usb stick or something,
and then manually copy the files in your home folder's "jars" directory
to the "jars" directory in the main jars folder.  I'm not sure about all
the other folders in the .jedit folder or how they work.  I carry on my
usb drive a copy of the jedit installer and the few indispensable
plugins I use.  I just quickly install jedit, copy over the jars into
the main jars folder, and I'm off.  Yes, I have to redo my encoding and
other global settings, but I'm quite used to it now.

Hope that helps.
Aaron

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Re: GUI

2009-12-18T18:07:48Z

Thanks.

I had found most of that.

What I had meant is more along the lines of what Tim McNamara said:

IMHO here is where we run into the issue of what LilyPond *is.* It's a backend with no face, basically. This is something that most Windows and Mac users will find hard to grasp initially, whereas Unix users will be familiar with such things. To the extent that we want to reach out to Windows and Mac users, we need to provide them with some way to understand and be comfortable with that- otherwise they will install it, double-click and say "where's the f*****g application?"

Because this is what I did and the 'application' didn't work for my particular configuration. So I wondered if there was some other way to get LilyPond to do its compiling. I went to the command line pages and looked at those.

Also, please remember that some of us, me included, have little experience writing command lines, so when you put, as part of the first information on command line use:

Create a directory to store these scripts,
mkdir -p ~/bin
cd ~/bin
Create a file called lilypond which contains
exec DIR/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/lilypond "$@"
Note: DIR will generally be /Applications/
Create similar files lilypond-book, convert-ly, and any other scripts you wish to use, by replacing the bin/lilypond with bin/convert-ly (or other program name).
Make the file executable,
chmod u+x lilypond

I have not a clue what you're talking about. Remember I'm on a Mac, so 'create a directory' doesn't mean anything to me. Nor does 'create a file'. I have to create a file within an application, and since LilyPond didn't work in the GUI for me, I had no way to do that.

To answer the last question of yours, no, the information wasn't hard to find. You've done a great job of making it easier to find. You just said you wanted your mother to be able to find and use it, or at least be able to decide that she did or didn't want to use it. My suggestion, I guess, is to better separate the GUI use of LilyPond from the Command Line use. "If the application opens for you, here's what to do next." "If the application doesn't open for you, you will have to use the Command Line method. Here's where to go to find out how to do that."

I think the Mats Bengtsson post at 10:38 today is pretty much saying the same thing that I'm trying to say, if that helps any.

Please ignore my comments if you'd like. I have not read through all of the information but stumbled when I started because the GUI didn't work for me initially. I have since solved that problem. Since I haven't read through everything maybe you feel like it's appropriately explained and I would obviously defer to your judgement on that. Just letting you know why/how I stumbled and how the stumbling produced questions that I didn't quickly find answers to.

Sorry to be confusing. Thank you again for the help on getting going. Very much appreciated.

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Re:Re: score runs off the page

2009-12-18T17:17:23Z

Thanks.

Haipeng

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Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18T17:15:20Z

On 18/12/2009 5:31 PM, chip wrote:

> Francisco Vila wrote:
>> 2009/12/18 chip <chip@...>:
>>
>>> Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install
>>> disk
>>> that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins
>>> installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection
>>> set up
>>> for working on music and lily.
>>>
>>
>> Windows or Linux?
>>
> WinXP
>> Java can be installed from a file. Jedit can be installed from a file
>> upon Java. On a computer with internet connection, install the jedit
>> plugins and copy the settings folder where they live, I think this
>> could trick to an existing jedit install making it to behave just as
>> if the plugins were installed from the online plugin repo.
>>
> I don't see a settings folder, did find a settings-backup folder buried
> under Documents and Settings etc etc etc.
> Can I just copy the entire .jedit folder from that directory and paste
> into a new install of jedit on the other computer? That would be the
> easiest thing to do, if it'll actually work afterwards.
>> You could install it while online, then pull off the ethernet cable,
>> uninstall, and try to install again from the files while offline.
>>
>
> Can't install it offline, the computer I need it installed on is in a
> location with no internet access.
>

The settings folder is in your "home" folder
(c:\windows\DaS\Username\.jedit) if I'm not mistaken. You can copy the
main jedit folder (c:\program files\jedit) to a usb stick or something,
and then manually copy the files in your home folder's "jars" directory
to the "jars" directory in the main jars folder. I'm not sure about all
the other folders in the .jedit folder or how they work. I carry on my
usb drive a copy of the jedit installer and the few indispensable
plugins I use. I just quickly install jedit, copy over the jars into
the main jars folder, and I'm off. Yes, I have to redo my encoding and
other global settings, but I'm quite used to it now.

Hope that helps.
Aaron

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flash cards

2009-12-18T17:15:06Z

I have previously seen inquires about making flash cards with
Lilypond. Thinking that this would be a good way to learn more about
the world of musical typesetting I decided to re-invent this
particular wheel. With a fair amount of help from the list here is
cards.ly:

%%%%%%%%%%
%%
%% cards.ly -- Lilypond flash cards with tablature
%%
%%%%%%%%%%
\version "2.13.7"
\include "rhythm.ly"
\header {
tagline = ##f
}
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\remove "Time_signature_engraver"
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'next-staff-spacing = #'(
(space . 15)(padding . 0)(stretchability . 0)(minimum-distance . 12))
}
}
\paper {
indent = 0\mm
paper-width = 3\in
line-width = 1.5\in
paper-height = 5\in
print-page-number = ##f
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
}
flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{
\makeRhythm $note "4" s2. \pageBreak
#}
)
flashcard = {
\flashNote e,
\flashNote f
\flashNote fis
\flashNote g
\flashNote gis
\flashNote a
\flashNote ais
\flashNote b
\flashNote c
\flashNote cis
\flashNote d
\flashNote dis

\flashNote e
\flashNote f
\flashNote fis
\flashNote g
\flashNote gis
\flashNote a
\flashNote ais
\flashNote b
\flashNote c
\flashNote cis
\flashNote d
\flashNote dis

\flashNote e
\flashNote f
\flashNote fis
\flashNote g
\flashNote gis
\flashNote a
\flashNote ais
\flashNote b
\flashNote c
\flashNote cis
\flashNote d
\flashNote dis

}
{
<<
\new StaffGroup <<
\set Score.barNumberVisibility = ##f
\new Staff \relative c' {
\flashcard
}
\new TabStaff \relative c {
\flashcard
}
>>
>>
}

Most of the 'picky' stuff is in \header, \layout and \paper. The
function \flashNote is there because I dislike typing when I don't
have to although I'm not fanatic about it ;-) It is also there because
I wanted an excuse to learn more about Lilypond functions(this one is
beginner level substitution at best). Modifying this for similar needs
should not be difficult.

--hsm

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Re: score runs off the page

2009-12-18T17:05:59Z

With 2.12.2, the overture compiles (with some warnings), and looks OK
on a4 paper, except for the last page, where bar numbers are printed for
non-existant staves. Also the copyright notice on the first page
collides with the music.

With 2.13.9, the 'cello parts run off the bottom of the first page,
and on the second and third pages the systems are expanded to fill the
page instead of taking their natural height. The problem with bar
numbers from bar 40 is still there. I've found the problem for the
bar numbers: on line 357 of overture.ly you've typed 111 instead of 11
for the number of rests.

Putting an explicit \break after bar 6 gives a nice page turn (almost
all parts have rests) and fixes the spacing problem on A4 paper.

Here're the changes I made:

--- overture.ly~ 2009-12-11 22:00:06.000000000 +1100
+++ overture.ly 2009-12-19 11:59:15.000000000 +1100
@@ -25,7 +25,7 @@
marks = {
\set markFormatter = #format-mark-box-numbers
\tempo \allegro 4=120
- s2.*6 | s1*5/4*2 |
+ s2.*6 \break | s1*5/4*2 |
\mark \default s1*9/8*3 | s1*5/4*4 |
\tag #'score { s2. s2^\rit | \mark \default s1*9/8*3^\atempo | }
\tag #'midi { s2 s8 \tempo 4=116 s \tempo 4=112 s \tempo 4=106 s \tempo 4=98 s \tempo 4=90 s | \tempo 4=100 s \tempo 4=120 s1 | s1*9/8*2 | }
@@ -354,7 +354,7 @@
<f a,>8-.->\!\sf r r4 r8 <f a,>4\mf\< ~ <f a,>8-.\!\sf r4 |
r <f a,>\mf\< ~ <f a,>8-.\!\sf r r2 |
R1*5/4^\fermataMarkup \bar "||"
- R1*5/4*111 |
+ R1*5/4*11 |
}

tuba = \relative c, {

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Re: score runs off the page

2009-12-18T16:53:50Z

Hu Haipeng wrote:
>> only a few pages [...] and some of these with staves missing

I ran this through 2.13.9. The most obvious problems are:

A:
The first page has music running off the bottom.
I suppose so many staves can't be fitted in vertically.
One of the following makes things fit on the first page:

A1:
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-first = ##t
But then some staves (e.g. toms, glockenspiel) are not announced.

A2:
Reduce global-staff-size from 10 to 6.

A3:
Use A3 paper instead of A4.

B:
What looks like a typo in the trombones asks for 111 of R1*5/4.
Changing this to just 11 gets rid of empty (but bar-numbered) systems
at the end. That way, everything stops together.

C:
With A and B dealt with (crudely) you get 33 measures on 5 pages.
But it looks as if the overture thinks there should be more measures.

Cheers,
Robin

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Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18T16:31:46Z

Francisco Vila wrote:

2009/12/18 chip chip@...:

Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install disk
that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins
installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set up
for working on music and lily.


Windows or Linux?

WinXP

Java can be installed from a file. Jedit can be installed from a file
upon Java.  On a computer with internet connection, install the jedit
plugins and copy the settings folder where they live, I think this
could trick to an existing jedit install making it to behave just as
if the plugins were installed from the online plugin repo.

I don't see a settings folder, did find a settings-backup folder buried under Documents and Settings etc etc etc.
Can I just copy the entire .jedit folder from that directory and paste into a new install of jedit on the other computer? That would be the easiest thing to do, if it'll actually work afterwards.

You could install it while online, then pull off the ethernet cable,
uninstall, and try to install again from the files while offline.

Can't install it offline, the computer I need it installed on is in a location with no internet access.

Regards,
Chip

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Re: function variable question

2009-12-18T15:18:48Z

Hugh Myers wrote:
> Thanks again Alexander--- thats the third time today you've bailed me
> out! Hope I can return same someday.

You're welcome. If it's not me whom you can help, it's someone else.
Just fair - I've been there, too, and there have benn others... :-)

Cheers,
Alexander

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Re: function variable question

2009-12-18T14:59:25Z

Thanks again Alexander--- thats the third time today you've bailed me
out! Hope I can return same someday.

--hgsm

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Alexander Kobel <news@...> wrote:

> Hugh Myers wrote:
>>
>> Given:
>>
>> flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{
>> $note s2. \pageBreak
>> #}
>> )
>>
>> I'd like to modify it so that a fixed duration for the note can be
>> within the function rather than in the calling sequence. [...]
>> I've tried various versions of $note4, {$note}4 etc--- all producing
>> errors of course. Clues? Suggestions?
>
> Inside the music function, note is essentially an arbitrary music
> expression, so you can't just attach the length, as you recognized.
> Basically, you'd have to parse the whole music expression, and replace the
> chord durations by a quarter.
> Luckily, there's already a function called \makeRhythm in
> http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=390 , doing exactly this. With this
> included,
>
> flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{
> \makeRhythm $note "4" s2. \pageBreak
> #}
> )
>
> should do what you want.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Alexander
>

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Re: function variable question

2009-12-18T14:49:36Z

Hugh Myers wrote:

> Given:
>
> flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{
> $note s2. \pageBreak
> #}
> )
>
> I'd like to modify it so that a fixed duration for the note can be
> within the function rather than in the calling sequence. [...]
> I've tried various versions of $note4, {$note}4 etc--- all producing
> errors of course. Clues? Suggestions?

Inside the music function, note is essentially an arbitrary music
expression, so you can't just attach the length, as you recognized.
Basically, you'd have to parse the whole music expression, and replace
the chord durations by a quarter.
Luckily, there's already a function called \makeRhythm in
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=390 , doing exactly this. With this
included,

flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{
\makeRhythm $note "4" s2. \pageBreak
#}
)

should do what you want.

Cheers,
Alexander

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Re:GUI

2009-12-18T14:06:12Z

> From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@...>
> Subject: Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 85, Issue 56
> To: lilypond-user@...
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 11:02 PM
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:27:23 +0000
> > From: Ian Hulin <ian@...>
> > Subject: Re: GUI
> > To: Graham Percival <graham@...>
> > Cc: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@...>,
> > lilypond-user@...
> > Message-ID: <4B2B914B.7020908@...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
> format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Graham,
> >
> > On 18/12/09 09:38, Graham Percival wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800,
> Jonathan
> > Wilkes wrote:
> > >>> If you can suggest an
> > improvement, especially in the
> > >>> Introduction pages, please
> > do.
> > >>
> > >> LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are
> > listed under
> > >> "Alternate Input." Since this link is to
> the
> > right of "Text
> > >> Input," the implication is that they are
> > alternatives to text
> > >> input, which of course is false: All the
> > information under the
> > >> "Text input" link applies to these programs.
> > >
> > > Hmm. I'm trying to tie these two together:
> text
> > input and
> > > alternate input are both the same color, and end
> in
> > "input".
> > >
> > >> Maybe change "Alternate Input" to "Input
> > software," or "Input
> > >> programs," or "Progams, At least One of Which
> You
> > Will Use to
> > >> Enter Your Scores if You At All Value Your
> Time
> > and Sanity."
> > >
> > > I'm willing to change the name, but I'm not
> convinced
> > that any of
> > > thsoe are more attractive than "alternate
> > input". More to the
> > > point, the bottom of "text input" tries to
> direct
> > people there,
> > > with the "easier editing environments" stuff.
> > >
> > > Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it
> "Easier
> > editing"?
> > > That alliterates, so it gets a 20% bonus to its
> > attractiveness. :)
> > >
> > The current /Alternative Input/ section really lists
> > language-sensitive
> > text editors which have capabilities for handling
> Lilypond
> > source.
> > They're sort of "Text Editors with Attitude" (hey,
> that
> > alliterates too
> > :-} ) and the ones that allow compilation and preview
> of
> > pdf output,
> > like Jedit/LilypondTool and Frescobaldi are well on
> the way
> > to providing
> > an IDE (Integrated Development Environment) for
> Lilypond. I
> > can't think
> > of anything really short and snappy so how about:
> > /Text Editors with Lilypond Language Support/ or
> > /Editors with Lilypond Language Integration/ or
> > /Easier Lilypond Editing/.

I'd suggest changing the heading "Easier editing
environments" at the
bottom of "Text input" to "Choosing an editing
environment." In the box
titled "Where now?", I'd change it to say something like
"Read about
several of the most popular editing environments to use
with Lilypond"
with a link to what's currently listed as "Alternate
input." Then change
the menu option "Alternate input" to "Editors," so that
perusing (and
hopefully choosing) an appropriate editor becomes an
integral part of the
introduction.

-Jonathan

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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 85, Issue 56

2009-12-18T14:02:34Z

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:27:23 +0000
> From: Ian Hulin <ian@...>
> Subject: Re: GUI
> To: Graham Percival <graham@...>
> Cc: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@...>,
> lilypond-user@...
> Message-ID: <4B2B914B.7020908@...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi Graham,
>
> On 18/12/09 09:38, Graham Percival wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan
> Wilkes wrote:
> >>> If you can suggest an
> improvement, especially in the
> >>> Introduction pages, please
> do.
> >>
> >> LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are
> listed under
> >> "Alternate Input." Since this link is to the
> right of "Text
> >> Input," the implication is that they are
> alternatives to text
> >> input, which of course is false: All the
> information under the
> >> "Text input" link applies to these programs.
> >
> > Hmm. I'm trying to tie these two together: text
> input and
> > alternate input are both the same color, and end in
> "input".
> >
> >> Maybe change "Alternate Input" to "Input
> software," or "Input
> >> programs," or "Progams, At least One of Which You
> Will Use to
> >> Enter Your Scores if You At All Value Your Time
> and Sanity."
> >
> > I'm willing to change the name, but I'm not convinced
> that any of
> > thsoe are more attractive than "alternate
> input". More to the
> > point, the bottom of "text input" tries to direct
> people there,
> > with the "easier editing environments" stuff.
> >
> > Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it "Easier
> editing"?
> > That alliterates, so it gets a 20% bonus to its
> attractiveness. :)
> >
> The current /Alternative Input/ section really lists
> language-sensitive
> text editors which have capabilities for handling Lilypond
> source.
> They're sort of "Text Editors with Attitude" (hey, that
> alliterates too
> :-} ) and the ones that allow compilation and preview of
> pdf output,
> like Jedit/LilypondTool and Frescobaldi are well on the way
> to providing
> an IDE (Integrated Development Environment) for Lilypond. I
> can't think
> of anything really short and snappy so how about:
> /Text Editors with Lilypond Language Support/ or
> /Editors with Lilypond Language Integration/ or
> /Easier Lilypond Editing/.

I'd suggest changing the heading "Easier editing environments" at the
bottom of "Text input" to "Choosing an editing environment." In the box
titled "Where now?", I'd change it to say something like "Read about
several of the most popular editing environments to use with Lilypond"
with a link to what's currently listed as "Alternate input." Then change
the menu option "Alternate input" to "Editors," so that perusing (and
hopefully choosing) an appropriate editor becomes an integral part of the
introduction text.

-Jonathan

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function variable question

2009-12-18T13:38:38Z

Given:

flashNote = #(define-music-function (parser location note)(ly:music?) #{
$note s2. \pageBreak
#}
)

I'd like to modify it so that a fixed duration for the note can be
within the function rather than in the calling sequence. Like so:

instead of

\flashNote e,4

I'd rather

\flashNote e,

I've tried various versions of $note4, {$note}4 etc--- all producing
errors of course. Clues? Suggestions?

--hsm

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Re: simple editor for windows

2009-12-18T13:20:11Z

Dear Ralph,
thanks for Your hint. I've downloaded Textpad.
It works well, but unfortunately I couldn't get syntax-highlighting with it. Isn't it available?

2009/12/16 Ralph Palmer <palmer.r.violin@...>

Stefan -

I have been using ConTEXT on my Win XP machine. It's freeware, and has Lilypond highlighting. I've been very happy with it. It's simple and kind, but has formatting not normally available in NotePad.

Check it out at:
http://www.contexteditor.org

Ralph

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@...> wrote:

Dear community,
I'm searching for a simple text-editor for windows. It is for the computer in my music-school.
It is an old machine and lilypondtool, because it requires java, doesn't work on it.
Vim and emacs would be too complicated for my dear colleagues.
And with the very simple editor that comes with the lilypondversion of windows, I have the problem, that it shows the whole file (that I've written with Frescobaldi) in one line.
Does someone of You have an recommandation?

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Re: inter staff spacing

2009-12-18T12:34:59Z

Hugh Myers wrote:
> Given:
>
> \version "2.13.7"
> [...]
> How do I control the distance between the staff and the tab staff.
> [...] I've played around with \override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup
> #'minimum-Y-extent to no avail

Hi, Hugh,

AFAICS, the #'minimum-Y-extent does not work anymore for staves in
2.13.x; instead, try out the #'*-next-staff-spacing properties. They
are mainly undocumented so far, AFAIK, but you can find some details in
the Internals Reference for VerticalAxisGroup (2.13), and search for
"vertical spacing" in the archives of lilypond-devel and lilypond-user
for the past few months (especially the mails by Joe Neeman, who wrote
the new vertical spacing algorithm).

Cheers,
Alexander

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Re: Distancing custom articulations from the note

2009-12-18T12:12:41Z

Federico Bruni ha scritto:

> Il 13/12/2009 19:10, Luca Rossetto Casel ha scritto:
>> [...] I have found and adapted to my
>> needs a snippet to print smaller articulations. Here it is the staccato
>> one:
>>
>> smallStaccato =
>> #(let ((m (make-music 'ArticulationEvent 'articulation-type
>> "staccato")))
>> (ly:music-set-property! m 'tweaks
>> (acons 'font-size -3 (ly:music-property m 'tweaks)))
>> m)
>>
>> It works, but the articulation is too close to the note where it's
>> placed. How can I modify it in order to increase the distance between
>> the articulation and the note?

[...]
> Using "distance" as keyword, I've found this snippet in the LSR:
> http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=9
>
> I think it's what you are looking for (see also attached minimal
> example):
> \override Script #'padding = #1.5
Dear Federico!

Thank you! I've made some tests, and I found a way to insert the
customized padding into the snippet itself. Here:

% Smaller articulation (staccato) with increased distance from the notes
smallStaccato =
#(let ((m (make-music 'ArticulationEvent 'articulation-type "staccato")))
(ly:music-set-property! m 'tweaks
(acons 'font-size -3 (ly:music-property m 'tweaks)))
(ly:music-set-property! m 'tweaks
(acons 'padding 0.50 (ly:music-property m 'tweaks)))
m)

> Federico
Ciao! :-)

Luca

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inter staff spacing

2009-12-18T11:53:25Z

Given:

\version "2.13.7"
\header {
tagline = ##f
}
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\remove "Time_signature_engraver"
}
}
\paper{
indent = 0\mm
paper-width = 3\in
line-width = 1.5\in
paper-height = 5\in
print-page-number = ##f
after-title-space = 0\mm
before-title-space = 0\mm
between-system-padding = 0\mm
between-system-space = 0\mm
between-title-space = 0\mm
head-separation = 0\mm
page-top-space = 0\mm
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
}
flash = {
e,4 s2.
\pageBreak
f4 s2.
\pageBreak
g4 s2.
\pageBreak
a4 s2.
}
{
<<
\new Staff \relative c' {
\set Score.barNumberVisibility = ##f
\flash
}
\new TabStaff \relative c {
\flash
}
>>
}

How do I control the distance between the staff and the tab staff. I
believe it is distorted because there is no other data on the page
which invokes some sort of stretching algorithm. Is there a way to
adjust this? I've played around with \override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup
#'minimum-Y-extent to no avail(I can't claim that I 'played' either
correctly or in the right place).

--hsm

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Re: GUI

2009-12-18T10:38:01Z

Graham Percival wrote:

>> A couple of comments on the text at
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/text-input#Text-input:
>>
>> You never mention that you need a text editor.
>>
>
> Well, the windows and OSX lilyponds come with their own text
> editor. I admit that I'm just assuming that linux users will be
> able to draw the inference that they need a text editor, which is
> no longer a safe assumption.
>

Looking at the download page for Windows, I notice that you say "If you
are happy with the GUI", but don't say anything else about how to find
this GUI. Perhaps the installation instructions should end with a link
to the Learning manual 1.1.3. Actually, the current installation
instructions are almost over-emphasized on the current web page. These
steps are the same as for almost any other Windows application so I'm
not convinced we need to comment on them. It's much more important to
focus on the things that are not common to a Windows user, namely how to
use the program. Once you add command line instructions, the focus of
the web page will be even less on the important stuff.

Answering your earlier question "Pretend that you've never heard of
lilypond. Does the webpage answer the questions, or present the
information, that you wanted to know before you got involved?", I would
say: definitely no!

Think of a Windows user who wants to try LilyPond. She will click on
Download, quickly locate the Windows logo and click on that and probably
miss the "Note: ..." at the top of this intermediate page. Then, she
directly finds the link to the installer since it's nicely located at
the top of the column, perhaps takes a quick look at the rest of the
text while the download is going on, just enough to see that it looks
exactly like all other installation instructions and then runs the
installer. Now is the moment that she might end up as a "where's the
application" question mark and there's no information at all on the
download page that's open in the browser. What's the next logical step?
Try to click on "Introduction". Again, no information on how to run the
program, unless you happen to look below the title "Why *not* to use
LilyPond?" where you have to click on "Text input" -> "Learning" ->
"Learning manual" -> "Tutorial" -> Compiling a file" (what is
"compiling"?) -> ...
Seriously, how can you expect anybody to find this crucial information?

At the Windows download page, I would propose to remove all the current
information, except the link to the installer, and replace it by the
nice introduction with screen-shots. At the bottom of the page, you can
add links to a separate page with the current detailed installation
instructions and command line instructions.

Similar comments apply also to the Mac page.

I have not followed all emails of this thread, so I apologize if all
this has already been said earlier.

/Mats

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Re: GUI

2009-12-18T09:30:33Z

On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:59 AM, David Kastrup wrote:

> Kees van den Doel <kvandoel@...> writes:
>
>> Of course there is nothing really wrong with the current website.
>> Most people will want to just download lilypond and try it out; who
>> has time to read all the crap on a product's website? Once they've
>> clicked on the downloaded icon on their screen something reasonable
>> should happen.
>
> Well, but Lilypond's whole operation is not "something
> reasonable". If
> they get what amounts to a demo run, that won't take them any
> further in
> the process of creating scores.
>
> So the question is what action from the clicking on the "downloaded
> icon" will be the fastest leading to the average unsuspecting user
> writing and processing their first "Michael row the boat ashore"
> kind of
> file.
>
> I have no good answer for that.

IMHO here is where we run into the issue of what LilyPond *is.* It's
a backend with no face, basically. This is something that most
Windows and Mac users will find hard to grasp initially, whereas Unix
users will be familiar with such things. To the extent that we want
to reach out to Windows and Mac users, we need to provide them with
some way to understand and be comfortable with that- otherwise they
will install it, double-click and say "where's the f*****g application?"

For this reason I like the idea of optionally bundling LilyPond with
various pre-configured text editors that are ready to go (as much as
possible). I'm leery of bundling Emacs because of the huge size of
the thing and there being so many different versions. For Emacs, I
think it might make sense to just bundle LilyPond and the code that
needs to be added to site-lisp and .emacs, aiming that at established
Emacs users. The other editors are easier for people to start with
and there's no good reason to present people with a double learning
curve.

I think this would be much more time- and resource-efficient than
trying to develop and maintain a GUI for LilyPond. Heck, maybe the
maintainers of the editors in question would do this as a cooperative
effort and make it just part of their default package.

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Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18T09:25:23Z

2009/12/18 chip <chip@...>:
> Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install disk
> that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins
> installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set up
> for working on music and lily.

Windows or Linux?

Java can be installed from a file. Jedit can be installed from a file
upon Java. On a computer with internet connection, install the jedit
plugins and copy the settings folder where they live, I think this
could trick to an existing jedit install making it to behave just as
if the plugins were installed from the online plugin repo.

You could install it while online, then pull off the ethernet cable,
uninstall, and try to install again from the files while offline.
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Re: Lilypond Right to Left

2009-12-18T09:02:09Z

Patrick McCarty wrote:

> I was unable to get the suggested font working correctly
>

Sorry to have forgotten this: to make the font use the Syriac *glyphs*,
you need to install a Syriac keyboard on your system. For Windows, I
think it's found under languages or something like that (it ships with
the CD, but isn't installed by default). If you want to *input* Syriac,
then you'll have to load the keyboard. But I think, if you have the
keyboard installed as well as the font, all the glyphs should be visible.

For Mac, there's no native Syriac keyboard, so I'm attaching the one I
use. To install it, you have to create a directory under /Library
(either the system or your home) called Keyboard Layouts. After you put
the keyboard there, then log out and log back in so it gets registered.
Then in System Preferences, International, you will see it listed under
the Input Menu. Just check it and you've got it.

For Linux, I don't know how they handle this. But I can find out, if
anyone's interested.

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<?xml version="1.1" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE keyboard SYSTEM "file://localhost/System/Library/DTDs/KeyboardLayout.dtd">


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<key code="102" output=""/>
<key code="103" output=""/>
<key code="104" output=""/>
<key code="105" output=""/>
<key code="106" output=""/>
<key code="107" output=""/>
<key code="108" output=""/>
<key code="109" output=""/>
<key code="110" output=""/>
<key code="111" output=""/>
<key code="112" output=""/>
<key code="113" output=""/>
<key code="114" output=""/>
<key code="115" output=""/>
<key code="116" output=""/>
<key code="117" output=""/>
<key code="118" output=""/>
<key code="119" output=""/>
<key code="120" output=""/>
<key code="121" output=""/>
<key code="122" output=""/>
<key code="123" output=""/>
<key code="124" output=""/>
<key code="125" output=""/>
<key code="126" output=""/>
</keyMap>
<keyMap index="10">
<key code="0" output=""/>
<key code="3" output="€"/>
<key code="4" output=""/>
<key code="6" output="–"/>
<key code="7" output="—"/>
<key code="8" output=""/>
<key code="9" output="”"/>
<key code="10" output=""/>
<key code="11" output=""/>
<key code="12" output="Ü"/>
<key code="13" output=""/>
<key code="18" output=""/>
<key code="19" output=""/>
<key code="20" output=""/>
<key code="21" output=""/>
<key code="22" output=""/>
<key code="23" output=""/>
<key code="24" output=""/>
<key code="25" output="Ý"/>
<key code="26" output="Ü"/>
<key code="27" output="-"/>
<key code="28" output="Ü"/>
<key code="29" output="Ý"/>
<key code="32" output=""/>
<key code="36" output=" "/>
<key code="39" output=""/>
<key code="41" output="Ü"/>
<key code="42" output="Ü"/>
<key code="43" output="ּ"/>
<key code="44" output="Ü"/>
<key code="45" output="’"/>
<key code="46" output=""/>
<key code="48" output=" "/>
<key code="49" output=" "/>
<key code="50" output="Ý"/>
<key code="51" output=""/>
<key code="52" output=""/>
<key code="53" output="‎"/>
<key code="65" output="."/>
<key code="66" output="*"/>
<key code="67" output="*"/>
<key code="69" output="+"/>
<key code="70" output="+"/>
<key code="71" output=""/>
<key code="72" output="="/>
<key code="75" output="/"/>
<key code="76" output=""/>
<key code="77" output="/"/>
<key code="78" output="-"/>
<key code="81" output="="/>
<key code="82" output="0"/>
<key code="83" output="1"/>
<key code="84" output="2"/>
<key code="85" output="3"/>
<key code="86" output="4"/>
<key code="87" output="5"/>
<key code="88" output="6"/>
<key code="89" output="7"/>
<key code="91" output="8"/>
<key code="92" output="9"/>
<key code="96" output=""/>
<key code="97" output=""/>
<key code="98" output=""/>
<key code="99" output=""/>
<key code="100" output=""/>
<key code="101" output=""/>
<key code="102" output=""/>
<key code="103" output=""/>
<key code="104" output=""/>
<key code="105" output=""/>
<key code="106" output=""/>
<key code="107" output=""/>
<key code="108" output=""/>
<key code="109" output=""/>
<key code="110" output=""/>
<key code="111" output=""/>
<key code="112" output=""/>
<key code="113" output=""/>
<key code="114" output=""/>
<key code="115" output=""/>
<key code="116" output=""/>
<key code="117" output=""/>
<key code="118" output=""/>
<key code="119" output=""/>
<key code="120" output=""/>
<key code="121" output=""/>
<key code="122" output=""/>
<key code="123" output=""/>
<key code="124" output=""/>
<key code="125" output=""/>
<key code="126" output=""/>
</keyMap>
</keyMapSet>
<actions>
<action id="<">
<when state="none" next="State 3"/>
</action>
<action id="greater than">
<when state="none" next="State 2"/>
</action>
<action id="quote">
<when state="State 1" output="Ù¥"/>
<when state="none" output="Ü"/>
</action>
<action id="Ü">
<when state="none" next="State 1"/>
</action>
<action id="Ü">
<when state="State 1" output="Ü"/>
<when state="none" output="Ü"/>
</action>
<action id="Ü">
<when state="State 1" output="Ü"/>
<when state="none" output="Ü"/>
</action>
<action id="Ü¢">
<when state="State 1" output="Ü"/>
<when state="none" output="Ü"/>
</action>
<action id="Ü¥">
<when state="State 1" output="Ü"/>
<when state="none" output="Ü"/>
</action>
<action id="Ü«">
<when state="State 1" output="Ü"/>
<when state="none" output="Ü"/>
</action>
</actions>
<terminators>
<when state="State 1" output=""/>
<when state="State 2" output=""/>
<when state="State 3" output=""/>
</terminators>
</keyboard>

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Re: off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18T08:54:29Z

It is possible, it just depends on how adept you are and what you want
really want out of your OS.

For example I have used Damn Small Linux, booting from a USB stick then
download the applications from with then RAM disk image this loads
(including Lilypond and a PDf viewer etc) and then make the settings
persistent so the next time you boot it keeps all the files.

see:

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Persistence

and this worked well. It's just that DSL has minimal GUI and pretty much
everything is CLI - at least when I used it.

I haven't tried this for the 2.12 version but 2.10 worked like a charm.

But you don't need an internet connection anyway to run lilypond, so why
not just copy files FROM a computer that does using (oh I don't know,
CD/DVD?) and then you're all set.

All you need are the exe files surely and install them? Unless I am
really missing something here.

chip wrote:
> Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install
> disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins
> installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set
> up for working on music and lily.
> Thanks,
> chip
>
>
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chip wrote:

> Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install
> disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins
> installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set
> up for working on music and lily.
> Thanks,
> chip
>
>
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off-topic somewhat: installing jedit/lilypondtool with no internet connection?

2009-12-18T08:38:26Z

Is it possible to just download everything needed to make an install
disk that includes jedit/lilypondtool/other plugins (I have 17 plugins
installed)? I want to get a computer that has no internet connection set
up for working on music and lily.
Thanks,
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Re: simple editor for windows

2009-12-18T08:12:15Z

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Stefan Thomas wrote:

> Dear Ralph,
> thanks for Your hint. I've downloaded Textpad.
> It works well, but unfortunately I couldn't get syntax-highlighting with it. Isn't it available?
>
> 2009/12/16 Ralph Palmer <palmer.r.violin@...>
> Stefan -
>
> I have been using ConTEXT on my Win XP machine. It's freeware, and has Lilypond
> highlighting. I've been very happy with it. It's simple and kind, but has formatting
> not normally available in NotePad.
>
> Check it out at:
> http://www.contexteditor.org
>
> Ralph
>

I have been using jEdit (http://jedit.org) and i absolutely love it. The
seller for me is the (s)FTP support. It treats the remote file system
just as if it were local. I can access it by URL
(sftp://me@somewhere/my/dir) instead of having to manage "sites." Even if
you don't need the FTP feature, I strongly recommend giving it a shot. It
highlights Lilypond syntax and will let you work with UTF-8 for those
pesky foreign lyrics :)

Cheers!
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Re: Lilypond Right to Left

2009-12-18T08:03:02Z

Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote:

> Patrick McCarty wrote:
>
>> I was unable to get the suggested font working correctly, but your
>> feature request is now on the issue tracker:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=937
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. If you have any further examples to contribute,
>> I would be happy to add them to the tracker.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
>>
>
>
> Hi Patrick:
>
> Many thanks for posting this for me. I'm sending a sample file for you
> (aboun.tex). If you have TeXLive 2009 it works (probably older
> versions too --- Polyglossia will give a warning that there's no
> hyphenation for Syriac, which you can ignore). The only things you'll
> need are: 1) to set the Syriac text: the Melthofont called "Serto
> Jerusalem"; and 2) any free font (I used Junicode) that supports
> certain diacritics (the only diacritic I've used for the
> transliteration is an h with an underscore).
>
> Now, to typeset aboun.tex, just run:
>
> lilypond-book --output=out --pdf aboun.tex
>
> then,
>
> cd out
>
> then,
>
> xelatex aboun.tex
>
> and you should get the correct result, which will produce one page of
> transliterated Syriac with literal translation on page one, and page 2
> with the Syriac alone. The request, of course, is to make the music
> and lyrics run right to left for the Syriac.
>

OOPS, forgot the file!

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Re: Lilypond Right to Left

2009-12-18T08:01:40Z

Patrick McCarty wrote:

> I was unable to get the suggested font working correctly, but your
> feature request is now on the issue tracker:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=937
>
> Sorry for the delay. If you have any further examples to contribute,
> I would be happy to add them to the tracker.
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>

Hi Patrick:

Many thanks for posting this for me. I'm sending a sample file for you
(aboun.tex). If you have TeXLive 2009 it works (probably older versions
too --- Polyglossia will give a warning that there's no hyphenation for
Syriac, which you can ignore). The only things you'll need are: 1) to
set the Syriac text: the Melthofont called "Serto Jerusalem"; and 2) any
free font (I used Junicode) that supports certain diacritics (the only
diacritic I've used for the transliteration is an h with an underscore).

Now, to typeset aboun.tex, just run:

lilypond-book --output=out --pdf aboun.tex

then,

cd out

then,

xelatex aboun.tex

and you should get the correct result, which will produce one page of
transliterated Syriac with literal translation on page one, and page 2
with the Syriac alone. The request, of course, is to make the music and
lyrics run right to left for the Syriac.

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Petersham, MA 01366-9725

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score runs off the page

2009-12-18T07:09:32Z

Hello,
Here's my overture planned to be at a commercial performance. I sent the partwork to Peter Seabourne, and he gave me the following:

> Thank you for the overture - only a few pages have arrived (??), and some of these with staves missing or 'spilt over' beyond the page edge. Maybe it got corrupted in the pdf process?....

Don't be confused by the large def file. Most of the defs are variable definitions for easy use. Is there anything wrong in \layout or \paper block? I have no time and visual ability to research the new manual about spacing. Thanks!

Regards
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Re: GUI

2009-12-18T06:27:23Z

Hi Graham,

On 18/12/09 09:38, Graham Percival wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>> If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the
>>> Introduction pages, please do.
>>
>> LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under
>> "Alternate Input." Since this link is to the right of "Text
>> Input," the implication is that they are alternatives to text
>> input, which of course is false: All the information under the
>> "Text input" link applies to these programs.
>
> Hmm. I'm trying to tie these two together: text input and
> alternate input are both the same color, and end in "input".
>
>> Maybe change "Alternate Input" to "Input software," or "Input
>> programs," or "Progams, At least One of Which You Will Use to
>> Enter Your Scores if You At All Value Your Time and Sanity."
>
> I'm willing to change the name, but I'm not convinced that any of
> thsoe are more attractive than "alternate input". More to the
> point, the bottom of "text input" tries to direct people there,
> with the "easier editing environments" stuff.
>
> Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it "Easier editing"?
> That alliterates, so it gets a 20% bonus to its attractiveness. :)
>

The current /Alternative Input/ section really lists language-sensitive
text editors which have capabilities for handling Lilypond source.
They're sort of "Text Editors with Attitude" (hey, that alliterates too
:-} ) and the ones that allow compilation and preview of pdf output,
like Jedit/LilypondTool and Frescobaldi are well on the way to providing
an IDE (Integrated Development Environment) for Lilypond. I can't think
of anything really short and snappy so how about:
/Text Editors with Lilypond Language Support/ or
/Editors with Lilypond Language Integration/ or
/Easier Lilypond Editing/.

Cheers,
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Re: GUI

2009-12-18T05:37:10Z

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> Quoting Graham Percival <graham@...>:
>
>> Thanks, I missed that! I'll add this to my TODO.
>
> I hope you also know that you end up at the 2.13 manual if you click on
> the quick link to the "Manuals 2.12.2" on the main page.

Yes; fixing the general arrangement of doc links is still waiting
for me to do some experiments on how apache handles directories.
It would help if somebody had replied to my last email in the
"anybody know apache" thread a month ago, but oh well.

> A couple of comments on the text at
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/text-input#Text-input:
>
> You never mention that you need a text editor.

Well, the windows and OSX lilyponds come with their own text
editor. I admit that I'm just assuming that linux users will be
able to draw the inference that they need a text editor, which is
no longer a safe assumption.

Note that the actual "using lilypond" stuff comes in Learning 1.1,
now complete with beautiful screenshots from James Lowe.
(the windows ones aren't in the 2.13.9 docs, but they're in git)

> First sentence: Is it really accurate to say "containing the notes"? How
> about "describing the music" or "containing the music"?

Good catch! I went with "describing".

> In the Orchestral parts example: Is it obvious what is meant by
> "multi-rest"? Would it take too much space to write out something like
> "rest spanning several measures"?

Thanks, done.

> In the text above the same example: "To share the notes" makes me think
> about "sharing music to others". Also, "variable" doesn't mean anything
> relevant if you don't have a programming background. Why not write "To
> be able to include the same music both in the score and the individual
> parts, the music is assigned to a so-called variable".

Thank, done. I think this paragraph is now a bit too wordy, but
that can be improved in later versions.

> Under "Beginner documentation", why not write out "beginning with the
> Learning manual".

Because texinfo has this stupid "you can't use a @ref{} in the
middle of a sentence" thing, and the website reference is
@node Learning

(actually, it's not _stupid_; looking at the info and pdf docs
clearly shows why they suggest this)

Hmm. I can't immediately see any way to improve this. (and no,
I'm not going to start adding @ifhtml everywhere)

> The right-hand column of
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/unix#Unix seems like a
> maintenance nightmare to me. Who tracks all these distributions and
> makes sure that the information is updated when these packages are
> updated?

Nobody. :(

I really, really wanted to get rid of it a few months ago, but Jan
and a few other people complained. With a view to "pick your
battles", I gave in and put it back into the website.

The best I can suggest is that we update it whenever somebody
complains that it's out of date. Or maybe as the Bug Meisters to
update the list every 6 months? They're not great options, but
they're the only ones I can see.

Adding a python script to automatically check the links and update
the list is *not* an option. At least, making this part of the
build system is not an option; if somebody makes a script that
just suggests replacements, that would be ok.

> Finally, when seeing the title "Community" at the top of the pages, I
> cannot help thinking about 1968 and flower power. Do I really dare push
> a button that says "community" without risking to get involved in some
> weird sect? ;-)

:)

I very, very deliberately put all the contact info and development
stuff in there. I really want people to realize that when they're
asking a question, they're asking a question to a community of
users (or developers), not just sending a tech support request to
a faceless employee of a large company.

Cheers,
- Graham

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Re: GUI

2009-12-18T05:23:33Z

>>>> Maybe change "Alternate Input" to "Input software," or "Input
>>>> programs," or "Progams, At least One of Which You Will Use to Enter
>>>> Your Scores if You At All Value Your Time and Sanity."

>> "Input aids".
>>
>>> Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it "Easier editing"?

> 'Aids' isn't much better for the layman than 'editor', 'GUI', etc. How
> about 'Other input methods'?

Isn't this starting to get a bit silly? Seems like we are splitting
hairs now.

if someone cannot fathom out what Input or Editor means, do you really
think these are the kind of people who are going to even begin to want
to learn how to use the software?

The analogy about learning to play the Violin being hard etc etc, I
think illustrates the problem perfectly but not in the way the original
poster (Kastrup I think) stated it.

People who REALLY want to play the Violin (for example) will stick with
it through thick and thin, no matter how hard or technically difficult
it is. However someone who thinks he wants to play the violin and then
finds out on first go it's a bit 'hard' and not worth their time will
not bother no matter how much you try to sweeten the pill.

No one picks up an instrument like a violin to learn just for one tune,
no one is going to pick up lilypond to write a tune if they don't even
know what 'editor' means at least in most cases.

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Re: restraining lilypond

2009-12-18T04:56:25Z

Key in my testing to both first and last page top-left problems is:

\paper{
indent = 0\mm
paper-width = 3\in
line-width = 1.5\in
paper-height = 5\in
print-page-number = ##f
after-title-space = 0\mm
before-title-space = 0\mm
between-system-padding = 0\mm
between-system-space = 0\mm
between-title-space = 0\mm
head-separation = 0\mm
page-top-space = 0\mm
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
}

so thanks for the pointer to ragged-last-bottom.

--hsm

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:20 AM, -Eluze <eluzew@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hugh Myers wrote:
>>
>> I had expected each page to begin in the same location. They don't.
>> Why? What may be done to restrain lilypond?
>>
>>
> i just run it with version 2.12.3 where it seems okay to me.
>
> then i added a new page (with version 2.13.9) and it seems that only the
> last page is affected - i suggest to check the ragged-bottom and
> ragged-last-bottom (default-) settings!
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Re: padding at top of first page

2009-12-18T04:53:33Z

Thanks for the pointer, Alexander. I had looked, but not far enough.
Here is what works:

\version "2.13.7"
\header {
tagline = ##f
}
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\remove "Time_signature_engraver"
}
}
\paper{
indent = 0\mm
paper-width = 3\in
line-width = 1.5\in
paper-height = 5\in
print-page-number = ##f
after-title-space = 0\mm
before-title-space = 0\mm
between-system-padding = 0\mm
between-system-space = 0\mm
between-title-space = 0\mm
head-separation = 0\mm
page-top-space = 0\mm
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
}

\relative c'{
\set Score.barNumberVisibility = ##f
e,4 s2.
\pageBreak
f4 s2.
\pageBreak
g4 s2.
\pageBreak
a4 s2.
}

I've now got the basis for creating flash cards in Lilypond. Even
though commercial cards are inexpensive, these are cheaper and can be
customized to suit my needs (adding tablature for instance.) Besides
it was a good way to learn a bit more about Lilypond.

--hsm

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Alexander Kobel <news@...> wrote:

> Alexander Kobel wrote:
>>
>> Hugh Myers wrote:
>>>
>>> How do I remove it such that each page begins at same top-left corner?
>>
>> If you're not afraid of using the command line, if you're on Linux (might
>> work on Windows also, but I have no clue if you can get all the required
>> tools there), and if the settings explained in the Notation Reference don't
>> help, I can dig out a small script which really gives a tight crop.
>
> Sorry for the noise, it's already on the list. See this thread:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-07/msg00645.html
> The essential part is in the %-trimmed.pdf rule of the Makefile.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexander
>

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Re: splitting page into 2 columns?

2009-12-18T04:45:03Z

Hi Fredrik,

> To print as many as possible of these, I need to split the page
> into two
> columns. This is the last thing I need to do, everything else is
> working
> perfectly. I haven't found anything in the manual, nor in LSR about
> how to do
> this. Is it possible?

You can always put a \score into a \markup, and there are examples
out there of two-column \markups.

Hope this helps!
Kieren.

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splitting page into 2 columns?

2009-12-18T04:36:08Z

Hello, me again! I am kinda new to this, so bear with me; I *will* RTFM (and to
some extent I have) thouroughly, but now all I have time for is to skim through
selected parts. In doing this, however, I have found no way of splitting the
page into two columns. My work in Lilypond right now is centered on printing one
single bar of 16th notes in 4/4, with repeat signs around them, and some
combination of R's and L's under them:
|: sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R"
sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"R" sn16_"L" sn16_"L" sn16_"R" :|

This isn't music, it's studying material for drummers :)

To print as many as possible of these, I need to split the page into two
columns. This is the last thing I need to do, everything else is working
perfectly. I haven't found anything in the manual, nor in LSR about how to do
this. Is it possible?

Best regards /Fredrik

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