Goodbye

Hello list, hello Eric, hello Andras,

after many years of using Quanta I say good bye to Quanta and KDE.
Many websites have been build and maintained with Quanta. http://www.kde.de as
well.

The long way to KDE 4 and the still stand of Quanta brought me to my decision.
But I leave Quanta with a smile in my face.
Nice people and that unbelievable good piece of software are good memories.

Mac OS X is my new home and hopefully there is a tool like Quanta :-)

Cheers and best regards to the Quanta community
Mark
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[Cliff Nieuwenhuis-2]

Replying to message from Mark Ziegler <mark.ziegler@...>:

> after many years of using Quanta I say good bye to Quanta and KDE.

I'm in the same position.  I loved KDE3 and used it for real work.
KDE4 broke everything I used regularly -- Quanta on the top of the
list.  I'm very upset by that; more upset than I thought I'd ever get
about a desktop.

I've found Xfce4 (Zenwalk) works for me as a replacement for KDE, but I
can't get Quanta / Kwebdev to work.  I'm not going to try anymore.  If
Quanta is tied so tight with KDE4 then I'll find something else, but so
far nothing matches Quanta.  

I'm a web developer, not a programmer, so I don't understand why a
version of Quanta can't be built for Xfce, but I can't do it and I
can't help, so all I can do is hope and wait.

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:33, Mark Ziegler <mark.ziegler@...> wrote:

> Hello list, hello Eric, hello Andras,
>
> after many years of using Quanta I say good bye to Quanta and KDE.
> Many websites have been build and maintained with Quanta. http://www.kde.de as
> well.
>
> The long way to KDE 4 and the still stand of Quanta brought me to my decision.
> But I leave Quanta with a smile in my face.
> Nice people and that unbelievable good piece of software are good memories.
>
> Mac OS X is my new home and hopefully there is a tool like Quanta :-)
>
> Cheers and best regards to the Quanta community
> Mark

kdevelop 4 beta 6 + the first beta of the php plugin will release soon.
If you use php you might want to try it - as it's much better than quanta 3.
(or you wait for a stable release that will take it's time)

Niko
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Niko Sams <niko.sams@...> wrote:

> kdevelop 4 beta 6 + the first beta of the php plugin will release soon.
> If you use php you might want to try it - as it's much better than quanta 3.
> (or you wait for a stable release that will take it's time)

"Better" depends on one's viewpoint. From the screen grabs, I'd hazard
a guess that it would take me months to get back up to speed.

The absolute showstoppers for me are the kde/Qt 4 dependencies.
<http://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/KDevelop_4/requirements>.
I need look at kdevelop no farther. I'm not along for the ride on KDE
4.

Don't want to leave the impression that I'm not grateful for the
fantastic work on Quanta 3.x. Helluva program. But I've got way more
important things to do with my time than to cope with KDE 4.

Best regards,

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On Saturday 31 October 2009 14:12:12 Niko Sams wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:33, Mark Ziegler
<mark.ziegler@...> wrote:
> > Hello list, hello Eric, hello Andras,
> >
> > after many years of using Quanta I say good bye to Quanta
and KDE.
> > Many websites have been build and maintained with Quanta.
> > http://www.kde.de as well.
> >
> > The long way to KDE 4 and the still stand of Quanta brought
me to my
> > decision. But I leave Quanta with a smile in my face.
> > Nice people and that unbelievable good piece of software are
good
> > memories.
> >
> > Mac OS X is my new home and hopefully there is a tool like
Quanta :-)
> >
> > Cheers and best regards to the Quanta community
> > Mark
>
> kdevelop 4 beta 6 + the first beta of the php plugin will release
soon.
> If you use php you might want to try it - as it's much better than
quanta
> 3. (or you wait for a stable release that will take it's time)
>
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I'm confused. Kdevelop is a development environment. Quanta is
a web page editor. What does one have to do with the other?

Is there a beta Quanta for KDE 4 available yet? If so where? At
this point I am not looking for shiny new features, just a
functioning program.  I can live without php. I can't live
(comfrotably) without any Quanta at all.

My main partition for better or worse is Slack 13. I have
sidestepped most of the KDE 4 miseries by using XFCE.  Worst
case I can install Slack 12.2 again on a separate partition, but I
hate to have to reboot every time I need to modify a web page.
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[Werner Joss]

Am Saturday 31 October 2009 21:34:27 schrieb John Culleton:
> I'm confused. Kdevelop is a development environment. Quanta is
> a web page editor. What does one have to do with the other?

as niko posted,
there is a php plugin for kdevelop under construction, which is supposed to be
at least a repacement for quanta's php support (nice thing, IMHO)

> Is there a beta Quanta for KDE 4 available yet?

no, at least, not yet.

> If so where? At
> this point I am not looking for shiny new features, just a
> functioning program.  I can live without php. I can't live
> (comfrotably) without any Quanta at all.

then just stick with quanta.
it is still available in all distros which support kde3.
e.g. debian lenny.

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On 10/31/2009 10:07 AM, Cliff Nieuwenhuis wrote:

> Replying to message from Mark Ziegler<mark.ziegler@...>:
>
>> after many years of using Quanta I say good bye to Quanta and KDE.
>
> I'm in the same position.  I loved KDE3 and used it for real work.
> KDE4 broke everything I used regularly -- Quanta on the top of the
> list.  I'm very upset by that; more upset than I thought I'd ever get
> about a desktop.
>
> I've found Xfce4 (Zenwalk) works for me as a replacement for KDE, but I
> can't get Quanta / Kwebdev to work.  I'm not going to try anymore.  If
> Quanta is tied so tight with KDE4 then I'll find something else, but so
> far nothing matches Quanta.
>
> I'm a web developer, not a programmer, so I don't understand why a
> version of Quanta can't be built for Xfce, but I can't do it and I
> can't help, so all I can do is hope and wait.
>

I really don't get the problem here.  Unless I am missing something.  I've installed Fedora 9, 10 and 11 numerous times on many different machines (mostly x84_64).  Fedora 9 was sort of a mess for the first couple of months, until KDE 4 stabilized around 4.1.

However, in ALL cases Quanta has been, and still is, working as great as it has for years.  I couldn't work without it.  That and Eclipse.  All it required me to do was select the kdewebdev package when installing.  All of the required KDE 3 libs and any other dependencies were installed automatically, every time.

I happen to love KDE 4 (especially since 4.3 delivered) and I cannot get what could be missing that would make it unusable.  And it just keeps getting better.

I am looking forward to trying a new Quanta that will take full advantage to KDE 4, but in the mean time it is serving us very well.

Regards,
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maybe its a debian thing, i too have perfectly functional quanta on KDE 4 on F11 (upgraded from 10 and that from 9) . BTW I think KDE4 is a fantastic desktop manager if the machine has a bit of grunt. I struggled until I "got" the desktop widgets but now I wouldn't go back no way.

cheers

On Nov 1, 2009 12:14pm, Emmett Culley <emmett@...> wrote:

> On 10/31/2009 10:07 AM, Cliff Nieuwenhuis wrote:
>
> > Replying to message from Mark Zieglermark.ziegler@...>:
>
> >
>
> >> after many years of using Quanta I say good bye to Quanta and KDE.
>
> >
>
> > I'm in the same position.  I loved KDE3 and used it for real work.
>
> > KDE4 broke everything I used regularly -- Quanta on the top of the
>
> > list.  I'm very upset by that; more upset than I thought I'd ever get
>
> > about a desktop.
>
> >
>
> > I've found Xfce4 (Zenwalk) works for me as a replacement for KDE, but I
>
> > can't get Quanta / Kwebdev to work.  I'm not going to try anymore.  If
>
> > Quanta is tied so tight with KDE4 then I'll find something else, but so
>
> > far nothing matches Quanta.
>
> >
>
> > I'm a web developer, not a programmer, so I don't understand why a
>
> > version of Quanta can't be built for Xfce, but I can't do it and I
>
> > can't help, so all I can do is hope and wait.
>
> >
>
> I really don't get the problem here.  Unless I am missing something.  I've installed Fedora 9, 10 and 11 numerous times on many different machines (mostly x84_64).  Fedora 9 was sort of a mess for the first couple of months, until KDE 4 stabilized around 4.1.
>
>
>
> However, in ALL cases Quanta has been, and still is, working as great as it has for years.  I couldn't work without it.  That and Eclipse.  All it required me to do was select the kdewebdev package when installing.  All of the required KDE 3 libs and any other dependencies were installed automatically, every time.
>
>
>
> I happen to love KDE 4 (especially since 4.3 delivered) and I cannot get what could be missing that would make it unusable.  And it just keeps getting better.
>
>
>
> I am looking forward to trying a new Quanta that will take full advantage to KDE 4, but in the mean time it is serving us very well.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  Emmett
>
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Alle 02:14:57 di domenica 01 novembre 2009, Emmett Culley ha scritto:

> I really don't get the problem here.  Unless I am missing something.  I've
>  installed Fedora 9, 10 and 11 numerous times on many different machines
>  (mostly x84_64).  Fedora 9 was sort of a mess for the first couple of
>  months, until KDE 4 stabilized around 4.1.
>
> However, in ALL cases Quanta has been, and still is, working as great as it
>  has for years.  I couldn't work without it.  That and Eclipse.  All it
>  required me to do was select the kdewebdev package when installing.  All
>  of the required KDE 3 libs and any other dependencies were installed
>  automatically, every time.
>
> I happen to love KDE 4 (especially since 4.3 delivered) and I cannot get
>  what could be missing that would make it unusable.  And it just keeps
>  getting better.
>
> I am looking forward to trying a new Quanta that will take full advantage
>  to KDE 4, but in the mean time it is serving us very well.
>
> Regards,
>   Emmett
>

+1

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I'm with Emmet too. Maybe it is a Fedora thing because I have never had
any major problems using Quanta on KDE4 (currently with Fedora 10).

I converted to KDE just at the time KDE4.0 was released, so I can't
compare to the KDE3 desktop experience, but KDE4 is far superior to
Gnome for me.

I hope Fedora keep the necessary KDE3 libraries in place until Quanta is
ready for KDE4 otherwise I will be quite lost!

Mike Small




Leonardo wrote:

> Alle 02:14:57 di domenica 01 novembre 2009, Emmett Culley ha scritto:
>  
>> I really don't get the problem here.  Unless I am missing something.  I've
>>  installed Fedora 9, 10 and 11 numerous times on many different machines
>>  (mostly x84_64).  Fedora 9 was sort of a mess for the first couple of
>>  months, until KDE 4 stabilized around 4.1.
>>
>> However, in ALL cases Quanta has been, and still is, working as great as it
>>  has for years.  I couldn't work without it.  That and Eclipse.  All it
>>  required me to do was select the kdewebdev package when installing.  All
>>  of the required KDE 3 libs and any other dependencies were installed
>>  automatically, every time.
>>
>> I happen to love KDE 4 (especially since 4.3 delivered) and I cannot get
>>  what could be missing that would make it unusable.  And it just keeps
>>  getting better.
>>
>> I am looking forward to trying a new Quanta that will take full advantage
>>  to KDE 4, but in the mean time it is serving us very well.
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Emmett
>>
>>    
>
> +1
>
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On Sunday 01 November 2009 01:14:57 Emmett Culley wrote:
> I really don't get the problem here. Unless I am missing something. I've
> installed Fedora 9, 10 and 11 numerous times on many different machines
> (mostly x84_64). Fedora 9 was sort of a mess for the first couple of
> months, until KDE 4 stabilized around 4.1.
>
> However, in ALL cases Quanta has been, and still is, working as great as it
> has for years. I couldn't work without it. That and Eclipse. All it
> required me to do was select the kdewebdev package when installing. All of
> the required KDE 3 libs and any other dependencies were installed
> automatically, every time.
>
> I happen to love KDE 4 (especially since 4.3 delivered) and I cannot get
> what could be missing that would make it unusable. And it just keeps
> getting better.
>
> I am looking forward to trying a new Quanta that will take full advantage
> to KDE 4, but in the mean time it is serving us very well.
>
> Regards,
> Emmett

I have got Quanta working on top of KDE4 under slackware and can't see anything missing. Just install kdewebdev and the legacy libraries, I can't remember precisely how many bits you need but its not many - there are bound to be details on the web at www.linuxquestions.org in the slackware list.

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> I am with too: on Debian with KDE4.3 (testing) Ouanta+ runs well.
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:54 AM,  <rooksy@...> wrote:
> maybe its a debian thing, i too have perfectly functional quanta on KDE 4 on
> F11 (upgraded from 10 and that from 9) . BTW I think KDE4 is a fantastic
> desktop manager if the machine has a bit of grunt. I struggled until I "got"
> the desktop widgets but now I wouldn't go back no way.

Could be; I tested on Kubuntu 9.04, which is Debian-based. But in any
event, I don't have time to struggle until I "get" the desktop
widgets. Mine is a production machine.

Best regards,

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I have just installed Opensuse 11.2 RC2, and the kdewebdev3 doesn't seem to include all the plugins that it used to. Do I remember rightly, that kfilereplace was part of that. There is a new stand-alone kfilereplace, but it's not compatible with Quanta.

Any ideas?

Cheers
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2009/11/1 marbux <marbux@...>

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:54 AM,  <rooksy@...> wrote:
> maybe its a debian thing, i too have perfectly functional quanta on KDE 4 on
> F11 (upgraded from 10 and that from 9) . BTW I think KDE4 is a fantastic
> desktop manager if the machine has a bit of grunt. I struggled until I "got"
> the desktop widgets but now I wouldn't go back no way.

Could be; I tested on Kubuntu 9.04, which is Debian-based. But in any
event, I don't have time to struggle until I "get" the desktop
widgets. Mine is a production machine.

Best regards,

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I had a silly idea but I don't think it worked

In the plugins configuration it has a place to put in the location of
whatever file it is. I have a fully functional Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.10
on another drive. I tried using the location thing to lead to the files
necessary on the other drive. Quanta says that the path is not valid.

Anyone have a notion why I shouldn't be able to use the KDE 3.x files
located on that drive?

Ian Smith wrote:

> I have just installed Opensuse 11.2 RC2, and the kdewebdev3 doesn't
> seem to include all the plugins that it used to. Do I remember
> rightly, that kfilereplace was part of that. There is a new
> stand-alone kfilereplace, but it's not compatible with Quanta.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Cheers
> Ian
>
> 2009/11/1 marbux <marbux@... <mailto:marbux@...>>
>
>     On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:54 AM,  <rooksy@...
>     <mailto:rooksy@...>> wrote:
>     > maybe its a debian thing, i too have perfectly functional quanta
>     on KDE 4 on
>     > F11 (upgraded from 10 and that from 9) . BTW I think KDE4 is a
>     fantastic
>     > desktop manager if the machine has a bit of grunt. I struggled
>     until I "got"
>     > the desktop widgets but now I wouldn't go back no way.
>
>     Could be; I tested on Kubuntu 9.04, which is Debian-based. But in any
>     event, I don't have time to struggle until I "get" the desktop
>     widgets. Mine is a production machine.
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     Paul
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Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

> I had a silly idea but I don't think it worked
>
> In the plugins configuration it has a place to put in the location of
> whatever file it is. I have a fully functional Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.10
> on another drive. I tried using the location thing to lead to the files
> necessary on the other drive. Quanta says that the path is not valid.
>
> Anyone have a notion why I shouldn't be able to use the KDE 3.x files
> located on that drive?
>
>  

Are you sure the drive is mounted?
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I doubt it would work, as the libraries would be on the external drive too, and probably not in the library path.  You would have to add these to the ldconfig paths.

Unfortunately, some distributions not longer support much of the KDE 3.5 series, and if you are running these distributions, then you have very little chance of getting it going.

The best method, would be to compile from source.  Pretty much all distributions still provide QT3, so install this, and any other dependancies (libraries, etc) that are needed using your package manager (they are probably already installed), and grab the various archives from http://www.kde.org/info/3.5.10.php.  

Installation from source is not too bad, however can be daunting for the first time.

There are a few articles on the KDE Techbase (which is for developers, but users can benefit too):

Building KDE 3 (a bit old, and references 3.5.9, so just replace with 3.5.10)

http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Stable_Version

Coexisting Versions (quite old, but probably covers a fair bit on how to run an older kde in it's own directory)

http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Coexisting_Versions

I have not been running KDE much for a while, or using Quanta (work provided a MacBook Pro, so using that for now), however I do touch base in a Virtual Machine environment, and have plans to get involved again at some stage.  I hope this helps out, and if not, please do not hesitate to consult the list on where you are stuck.

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On 2009-11-03, at 10:35 , Duane wrote:

Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

I had a silly idea but I don't think it worked

In the plugins configuration it has a place to put in the location of

whatever file it is. I have a fully functional Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.10

on another drive. I tried using the location thing to lead to the files

necessary on the other drive. Quanta says that the path is not valid.

Anyone have a notion why I shouldn't be able to use the KDE 3.x files

located on that drive?

Are you sure the drive is mounted?
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Duane wrote:

> Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>  
>> I had a silly idea but I don't think it worked
>>
>> In the plugins configuration it has a place to put in the location of
>> whatever file it is. I have a fully functional Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.10
>> on another drive. I tried using the location thing to lead to the files
>> necessary on the other drive. Quanta says that the path is not valid.
>>
>> Anyone have a notion why I shouldn't be able to use the KDE 3.x files
>> located on that drive?
>>
>>  
>>    
> Are you sure the drive is mounted?

Well.......I think so. I can scan it from Dolphin. Thats how I got the
correct path to the libs Quanta needs.As far as I know how to tell all
three drives I have installed, besides the one with 9.10 on it, are
mounted. They all show up in ./media.

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[Billie Erin Walsh]

I've got the KDEwebdev source package, configure fails with a _long_
list of dependencies. The "deb" package also fails. That's when I got
the idea to try the 8.04 install as a source.

For most of what I do Quanta still works fine [ miss the spell checker
though ]. I sure hope they get the new one going before the old version
dies completely. Over the past few years I've come to rely on Quanta and
everything else just seems way to clunky to use.

Of course when the new one comes we will have a new learning curve.

Andrew Lowe wrote:

> I doubt it would work, as the libraries would be on the external drive
> too, and probably not in the library path.  You would have to add
> these to the ldconfig paths.
>
> Unfortunately, some distributions not longer support much of the KDE
> 3.5 series, and if you are running these distributions, then you have
> very little chance of getting it going.
>
> The best method, would be to compile from source.  Pretty much all
> distributions still provide QT3, so install this, and any other
> dependancies (libraries, etc) that are needed using your package
> manager (they are probably already installed), and grab the various
> archives from http://www.kde.org/info/3.5.10.php.  
> Installation from source is not too bad, however can be daunting for
> the first time.
> There are a few articles on the KDE Techbase (which is for developers,
> but users can benefit too):
> Building KDE 3 (a bit old, and references 3.5.9, so just replace with
> 3.5.10)
> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Stable_Version
> Coexisting Versions (quite old, but probably covers a fair bit on how
> to run an older kde in it's own directory)
> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Coexisting_Versions
>
> I have not been running KDE much for a while, or using Quanta (work
> provided a MacBook Pro, so using that for now), however I do touch
> base in a Virtual Machine environment, and have plans to get involved
> again at some stage.  I hope this helps out, and if not, please do not
> hesitate to consult the list on where you are stuck.
>
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> On 2009-11-03, at 10:35 , Duane wrote:
>
>> Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>>> I had a silly idea but I don't think it worked
>>>
>>> In the plugins configuration it has a place to put in the location of
>>> whatever file it is. I have a fully functional Kubuntu 8.04/KDE 3.5.10
>>> on another drive. I tried using the location thing to lead to the files
>>> necessary on the other drive. Quanta says that the path is not valid.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a notion why I shouldn't be able to use the KDE 3.x files
>>> located on that drive?

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