Graphical 3270

[StanleySales]

Has anyone succeeded on the following program?
 
http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/grfxsamp.txt
 
I'm getting the error below:
 
00.40.46 JOB00038 ---- SATURDAY,  29 AUG 2009 ----                             
00.40.46 JOB00038  IRR010I  USERID IBMUSER  IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB.           
00.40.46 JOB00038  ICH70001I IBMUSER  LAST ACCESS AT 00:39:41 ON SATURDAY, AUGUS
00.40.46 JOB00038  $HASP373 J906STAN STARTED - INIT 1    - CLASS A - SYS SYS1  
00.40.46 JOB00038  IEF403I J906STAN - STARTED - TIME=00.40.46                  
00.40.52 JOB00038  IEF244I J906STAN STEP1 - UNABLE TO ALLOCATE 1 UNIT(S)  079  
   079                     AT LEAST 1 ALLOCATED UNIT(S) NEEDED.                
00.40.52 JOB00038  IEF488I J906STAN - IEFRDER MUST WAIT FOR UNIT 0702          
00.40.52 JOB00038 *03 IEF238D J906STAN - REPLY 'WAIT' OR 'CANCEL'.             
00.41.14 JOB00038  R 3,CANCEL                                                  
00.41.14 JOB00038  IEF251I J906STAN JOB CANCELLED                              
00.41.14 JOB00038  $HASP395 J906STAN ENDED               
 
I'm using the following unit:
//*-------------------------------------------------------------------*
//STEP1 EXEC PGM=GRFXSAMP                                              
//IEFRDER DD UNIT=702                                                                          
 
 
My Hercules's cofig file for display terminals:
 
# Display Terminals
# 0700.4    3270
0700    3270
0701    3270
0702    3270
0703    3270

Thankyou.
 
Stanley.
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.


     

[Gerhard Postpischil]

Stanley Sales wrote:
> Has anyone succeeded on the following program?
>  
> http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/grfxsamp.txt

> 00.40.52 JOB00038  IEF244I J906STAN STEP1 - UNABLE TO ALLOCATE 1
> UNIT(S)  079  
>    079                     AT LEAST 1 ALLOCATED UNIT(S)
> NEEDED.                
> 00.40.52 JOB00038  IEF488I J906STAN - IEFRDER MUST WAIT FOR UNIT
> 0702          

Allocation can't use 702, because it's not available. Nothing to
do with your program. You should be getting a different message
if it's offline, so it's either in use by another task, or
online to VTAM. If the latter, you can free it temporarily with
an OS console command:  V NET,INACT,I,ID=CUU702 (or whatever the
  terminal id on your system is).



Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

[StanleySales]

Hi, Gerhard. Thankyou very very much for your reply.

It almost worked. I issued the console command as you said and the program ran.

The line "GRFXSAMP (GP@P6 2008)   PFKs: 3=End 7=Up 8=Down 10=Left 11-Right" is shown at the top of the 3270 terminal designed for showing the graphical screen (as you can see at http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/3270grfx.html) and when it's supposed to be shown the rest of the graphics, unfortunately, the Personal Communications crashed. I'm using the v4.3 of PCOMM under Windows Vista.

Windows Vista gently says "This program has stopped working", tries to find a solution (that never exists) and closes it.

My PCOMM config:

Activate center system graphics = yes
Graphics type = both
Vectorial graphics protocol = advanced
Character cell type = fixed
Cell size = 9x16

I think the error is caused by incompatibility between this version of pcomm and win vista.

Do you know (suggest) any other 3270 (free) emulator compatible with win vista?

Thankyou.

 
Stanley.
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.






________________________________
From: Gerhard Postpischil <gerhard@...>
To: H390-MVS@...
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:04:31 AM
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Graphical 3270

 
Stanley Sales wrote:
> Has anyone succeeded on the following program?
>
> http://www.prycroft 6.com.au/ misc/grfxsamp. txt

> 00.40.52 JOB00038 IEF244I J906STAN STEP1 - UNABLE TO ALLOCATE 1
> UNIT(S) 079
> 079 AT LEAST 1 ALLOCATED UNIT(S)
> NEEDED.
> 00.40.52 JOB00038 IEF488I J906STAN - IEFRDER MUST WAIT FOR UNIT
> 0702

Allocation can't use 702, because it's not available. Nothing to
do with your program. You should be getting a different message
if it's offline, so it's either in use by another task, or
online to VTAM. If the latter, you can free it temporarily with
an OS console command: V NET,INACT,I, ID=CUU702 (or whatever the
terminal id on your system is).

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT




     

[Gerhard Postpischil]

Stanley Sales wrote:
> I think the error is caused by incompatibility between this version of
> pcomm and win vista.
>  
> Do you know (suggest) any other 3270 (free) emulator compatible with win
> vista?

There are free programs for tn3270(e) in text mode, but I'm not
aware of any that support graphics. Tom Brennan has an older
version of Vista (2.5?) that supposedly supports graphics, but
I've never tried it (and he used the Vista name long before
Microsoft). TB's Vista has a one-time charge of $30, and is
otherwise a nice program. For my professional work, I use
Seagull's BlueZone, that supports graphics, explicit partitions,
and a few other uncommon things, but it's not free, either. Sorry.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

[Greg Price-3]

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Stanley Sales wrote:

>Activate center system graphics = yes
>Graphics type = both
>Vectorial graphics protocol = advanced
>Character cell type = fixed
>Cell size = 9x16

Hi Stan,

AFAIK there are no free TN3270 clients which support graphics.

For a one time fee of $30 I thought (and think) that Tom
Brennan's Vista represents excellent value since that also
buys you support and all agree that Tom is very responsive.

This was the reason I first badgered him into attempting
support for programmed symbols several years ago.  Of
course, with his tremendous programming skills he had it
done in a relatively short time despite his real job and no
doubt other commitments.

The result was Vista 1.25 which was 1.24 plus programmed
symbol support done "roughly".  (I find it works pretty much
flawlessly.)  Unfortunately this was a "rough" implementation
so that when he added SSH etc. to make 1.26 he did those
changes to the 1.24 code base.

Also, the changes to make Vista Windows Vista friendly
were also done after 1.25 (removal of WINHELP, directory
use changes, whatever else, etc.).

So, the latest and greatest Vista TN3270 client does not
have graphics, but you can probably get the graphics
version if you email Tom.  I hope that Tom will eventually
be able to add graphics support back into his production
code base, but I am not aware of that happening yet.

In March this year I presented at SHARE in Austin about
REVIEW using Hercules on my laptop for the presentation.
I used Vista for the real time TSO demo, and all of the
screenshots in the pdf downloadable from
http://ew.share.org/proceedingmod/abstract.cfm?abstract_id=19219&conference_id=20
including the graphics ones were taken from Vista sessions.

(My wife who was in the audience heard a "how the f*** did
he do that?" comment muttered by an attendee when I
showed some picture rendered on a 3270.)

*** ignorance alert ***

I think Tom uses bitmap fonts and calls a Windows service
to resize bitmaps to the requested size when necessary.
Because he has the font side of things down pat, his APL
character set is much better than the one from QWS, for
example.

For programmed symbol graphics he does not use fonts
but plugs into WIndows bitmap APIs.

I do not think we will see WC3270 with graphics, for example,
because I do not think that console apps can use the bitmap
APIs.  I would be delighted to be wrong about this, which
I may well be because I know pretty close to nothing about
coding Windows apps.

Now, I no longer have PCOM on my home PC (though I use
it for work), but I would suggest these tests:

1) Disabling vector graphics completely and using character
graphics (programmed symbols) only.

Under PCOM this will mean that you get some triple plane
symbols sets like a 3279G as opposed to the 3179G config
of single plane plus vector.

2) When using vector graphics (both with and without
programmed symbols) do not use Advanced but use Native.

I have never reverse engineered the PC handshaking protocol
for 3270 graphics, and have only coded native vector graphics
calls.  (Of course, GDDM can use whatever it thinks best.)

CBT file 134 has the source code of a few trivial 3179G TSO
display programs which also use native 3270 vector graphics.

When it comes time for me to migrate off XP I may well be
checking out the BlueZone situation as mentioned by GP senior.

Until then, I have never used a 3270 "emulator" which I
could not find bugs with, some more than others.  TB's
Vista had some so small that they do not cause me any
problem at all, but were just departures from the architecture
that I could detect.  To be fair, the first thing I detected when
testing Vista was a bug in my TERMTEST program/command.
:)

Cheers,
Greg

[somitcw-2]

--- In H390-MVS@...,
 "Greg Price" <greg.price@...> wrote:
- - - huge snip - - -
> AFAIK there are no free TN3270 clients which
>support graphics.
- - - huge snip - - -

   You can check wc3270 but I don't believe that
it supports graphics.

   QWS3270Plus and QWS3270Secure have some graphic
support that you can turn on but I've never used it.
 http://www.jollygiant.com/
allows:
Test Drive for 30 days!

[Greg Price-3]

On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:48:18 -0000, somitcw wrote:

>QWS3270Plus and QWS3270Secure have some graphic
>support that you can turn on but I've never used it.

I wrote some ISPF display app code earlier this century
which may or may not have ended up in a CA product.
(I don't know which.)  I had boxes with continuous lines
and real corners unless GE was not supported in which
case pluses, minuses and vertical bars were used.

CA preferred the pluses and minuses etc. because it
looked better.  Then they saw how it looked at customer
sites and decided to use the APL display.  Or so I was told.
That's because CA used QWS where the corners do not
even align with the straight line characters, and their
customers didn't.

I heard that QWS got the APL chars done by a mob who
no longer exist, so they can't get them fixed.  I would
not expect top-notch graphics from a package with a
sub-standard APL character set.  Even if the graphics
is great the APL would annoy me too much.

Still, that's VMers for you - they should have developed
on MVS to get a look at the real world.  :)

Of course, the last time I looked was at least a year
ago, so maybe it has since become the best TN3270
around...

... and maybe not.

Cheers,
Greg

[somitcw-2]

--- In H390-MVS@...,
 "Greg Price" <greg.price@...> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:48:18 -0000, somitcw wrote:
>>QWS3270Plus and QWS3270Secure have some graphic
>>support that you can turn on but I've never used it.
> I wrote some ISPF display app code earlier this century
>which may or may not have ended up in a CA product.
>(I don't know which.)  I had boxes with continuous lines
>and real corners unless GE was not supported in which
>case pluses, minuses and vertical bars were used.
> CA preferred the pluses and minuses etc. because it
>looked better.  Then they saw how it looked at customer
>sites and decided to use the APL display.  Or so I was told.
>That's because CA used QWS where the corners do not
>even align with the straight line characters, and their
>customers didn't.
> I heard that QWS got the APL chars done by a mob who
>no longer exist, so they can't get them fixed.  I would
>not expect top-notch graphics from a package with a
>sub-standard APL character set.  Even if the graphics
>is great the APL would annoy me too much.
> Still, that's VMers for you - they should have developed
>on MVS to get a look at the real world.  :)
> Of course, the last time I looked was at least a year
>ago, so maybe it has since become the best TN3270
>around...
> ... and maybe not.
> Cheers,
> Greg

   Instead of speculating about QWS3270Plus and
QWS3270Secure, why not take advantage of their
30 day trial.  I haven't found a perfect TN3270
product either but at least JollyGiant constantly
updates their products.  About a year of changes
for QWS3270Secure:

Version 4.4.5 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems opening multiple sessions from scripts.
2. Problems with program crashes when the script
 looklist command is invalid.
3. Problems with the Print Multiple function not
 printing the first line of the second and subsequent
 screen on a new line.
4. Problems with executing mouse clicks when the window
 is activated with a mouse click.
5. Problems with the QWS Automation Field members
 returning an incorrect value for the row if the
 field is located at the last screen position.  


Version 4.4.4 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems with the script Session command when the
 Open Sessions in Tabs option is not checked.

Changes to QWS3287 Printer:
1. Problems connecting to some TN3270E capable servers.

Changes to JGS Script Editor:
1. Problems with dialog sizing when large system fonts
 are used.

Version 4.4.3 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems where GDDM markers were drawn with the
 incorrect background colour.
2. Problems where typed characters do not display when
 fields wrap from the bottom of the screen to the top
 of the screen.
3. Problems with program crashes when accessing the
 Transfer Files dialog.
4. Problems with keyboard shortcuts for some dialog
 controls not working properly.
5. Problems with slow keyboard data entry when parameter
 files are located on network drives.
6. Added the ability to not use the TN3270 Enhanced
 protocol when connecting to a host.

Version 4.4.2 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems with intermittent program abends when
 using the Edit / Append All menu item.
2. Problems where extended highlighting is applied to
 the attribute location for the field.
3. Problems where font data and custom toolbar tool
 tips are not retrieved from the default session.
4. Problems where GDDM graphic output is not diplayed
 when white is chosen as the background colour.
5. Problems where GDDM graphic output is not displayed
 for some hosts.
6. Changes to the ELF_LOGON script command to allow it
 to use a variable as the parameter.

Version 4.4.1 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems entering characters on Mod 5 screens where
 part of the adjacent characters are overwritten.
2. Problems with the HLLAPI interface not working
 correctly with HP's Quick Test Professional.
3. Problems with program abends when CTRL keys that have
 been re-mapped to 3270 functions are pressed when not
 connected to a host.
4. Added option to Print Multiple feature to allow the
 output to be printed in landscape format.
5. Problems with the Update Program menu item not working.

[Cristina y Enrique]

Hi team,

Do you know if there is some formula to calculate the HSA in MVS?
is it documented?

Thanks a lot in advance
Enrique.

[StanleySales]

It worked!!!

Thankyou all.  

 
Stanley.
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.






________________________________
From: somitcw <somitcw@...>
To: H390-MVS@...
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:31:37 AM
Subject: [H390-MVS] Re: Graphical 3270

 
--- In H390-MVS@yahoogroup s.com,
"Greg Price" <greg.price@ ...> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:48:18 -0000, somitcw wrote:
>>QWS3270Plus and QWS3270Secure have some graphic
>>support that you can turn on but I've never used it.
> I wrote some ISPF display app code earlier this century
>which may or may not have ended up in a CA product.
>(I don't know which.)  I had boxes with continuous lines
>and real corners unless GE was not supported in which
>case pluses, minuses and vertical bars were used.
> CA preferred the pluses and minuses etc. because it
>looked better.  Then they saw how it looked at customer
>sites and decided to use the APL display.  Or so I was told.
>That's because CA used QWS where the corners do not
>even align with the straight line characters, and their
>customers didn't.
> I heard that QWS got the APL chars done by a mob who
>no longer exist, so they can't get them fixed.  I would
>not expect top-notch graphics from a package with a
>sub-standard APL character set.  Even if the graphics
>is great the APL would annoy me too much.
> Still, that's VMers for you - they should have developed
>on MVS to get a look at the real world.  :)
> Of course, the last time I looked was at least a year
>ago, so maybe it has since become the best TN3270
>around...
> ... and maybe not.
> Cheers,
> Greg

Instead of speculating about QWS3270Plus and
QWS3270Secure, why not take advantage of their
30 day trial.  I haven't found a perfect TN3270
product either but at least JollyGiant constantly
updates their products.  About a year of changes
for QWS3270Secure:

Version 4.4.5 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems opening multiple sessions from scripts.
2. Problems with program crashes when the script
looklist command is invalid.
3. Problems with the Print Multiple function not
printing the first line of the second and subsequent
screen on a new line.
4. Problems with executing mouse clicks when the window
is activated with a mouse click.
5. Problems with the QWS Automation Field members
returning an incorrect value for the row if the
field is located at the last screen position.

Version 4.4.4 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems with the script Session command when the
Open Sessions in Tabs option is not checked.

Changes to QWS3287 Printer:
1. Problems connecting to some TN3270E capable servers.

Changes to JGS Script Editor:
1. Problems with dialog sizing when large system fonts
are used.

Version 4.4.3 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems where GDDM markers were drawn with the
incorrect background colour.
2. Problems where typed characters do not display when
fields wrap from the bottom of the screen to the top
of the screen.
3. Problems with program crashes when accessing the
Transfer Files dialog.
4. Problems with keyboard shortcuts for some dialog
controls not working properly.
5. Problems with slow keyboard data entry when parameter
files are located on network drives.
6. Added the ability to not use the TN3270 Enhanced
protocol when connecting to a host.

Version 4.4.2 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems with intermittent program abends when
using the Edit / Append All menu item.
2. Problems where extended highlighting is applied to
the attribute location for the field.
3. Problems where font data and custom toolbar tool
tips are not retrieved from the default session.
4. Problems where GDDM graphic output is not diplayed
when white is chosen as the background colour.
5. Problems where GDDM graphic output is not displayed
for some hosts.
6. Changes to the ELF_LOGON script command to allow it
to use a variable as the parameter.

Version 4.4.1 fixes:

Changes to QWS3270 Secure:
1. Problems entering characters on Mod 5 screens where
part of the adjacent characters are overwritten.
2. Problems with the HLLAPI interface not working
correctly with HP's Quick Test Professional.
3. Problems with program abends when CTRL keys that have
been re-mapped to 3270 functions are pressed when not
connected to a host.
4. Added option to Print Multiple feature to allow the
output to be printed in landscape format.
5. Problems with the Update Program menu item not working.


   


     

[Greg Price-3]

With thanks to that gentleman from Genoa, Carlo Cecchetti,
a searchable pdf of GC28-0627-2 OS/VS2 MVS SPL: Job
Management from 1979 can now be downloaded from
http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/
with a size of about 1.4 million bytes.
(Scroll down to the bottom of the web page for the link.)

Cheers,
Greg