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Gravatar support
by Oliver Charles-2
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Hello,
Rob has just finished work on Gravatar support, and it has now been merged onto the test servers (see [1] for an example). While most people are generally for Gravatar support, but a few people have shown some concern over it. So this presents us with 3 options: * Mandatory Gravatars for all users with email addresses. Gravatars will not show if the user does not have an email address. This is the current solution. * Optional Gravatar support - server Gravatars by hot-linking, but allow users to specify whether they want Gravatar support on or off. * Mirrored Gravatar support - as above, but Gravatars are first cached on MusicBrainz servers. This will cause an extra overhead on the servers, as at some point we have to update all our cached copies. I'm generally against this idea, for that reason… * Use a hot-linked Gravatar, and support custom image uploads. What do people think – which of these should we use? -- Oliver Charles / aCiD2 _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Oliver Charles-2
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Oliver Charles
<oliver.g.charles@...> wrote: > Hello, > > Rob has just finished work on Gravatar support, and it has now been > merged onto the test servers (see [1] for an example). Where [1] is http://test.musicbrainz.org/user/profile/acid2 :) -- Oliver Charles / aCiD2 _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Paul C. Bryan
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I tried to click on [1], but nothing happened!
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 17:23 +0100, Oliver Charles wrote: > Hello, > > Rob has just finished work on Gravatar support, and it has now been > merged onto the test servers (see [1] for an example). > > While most people are generally for Gravatar support, but a few people > have shown some concern over it. So this presents us with 3 options: > > * Mandatory Gravatars for all users with email addresses. Gravatars > will not show if the user does not have an email address. This is the > current solution. > > * Optional Gravatar support - server Gravatars by hot-linking, but > allow users to specify whether they want Gravatar support on or off. > > * Mirrored Gravatar support - as above, but Gravatars are first cached > on MusicBrainz servers. This will cause an extra overhead on the > servers, as at some point we have to update all our cached copies. I'm > generally against this idea, for that reason… > > * Use a hot-linked Gravatar, and support custom image uploads. > > What do people think – which of these should we use? > _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Jan van Thiel
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2009/4/16 Oliver Charles <oliver.g.charles@...>:
> Hello, > > Rob has just finished work on Gravatar support, and it has now been > merged onto the test servers (see [1] for an example). > > While most people are generally for Gravatar support, but a few people > have shown some concern over it. So this presents us with 3 options: > > * Mandatory Gravatars for all users with email addresses. Gravatars > will not show if the user does not have an email address. This is the > current solution. > > * Optional Gravatar support - server Gravatars by hot-linking, but > allow users to specify whether they want Gravatar support on or off. > > * Mirrored Gravatar support - as above, but Gravatars are first cached > on MusicBrainz servers. This will cause an extra overhead on the > servers, as at some point we have to update all our cached copies. I'm > generally against this idea, for that reason… > > * Use a hot-linked Gravatar, and support custom image uploads. > > What do people think – which of these should we use? Option 2, hot-linking. Jan P.S. There are 3 kinds of people: those that can count, and those that can't. _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Philip Jägenstedt-3
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Oliver Charles
<oliver.g.charles@...> wrote: > Hello, > > Rob has just finished work on Gravatar support, and it has now been > merged onto the test servers (see [1] for an example). > > While most people are generally for Gravatar support, but a few people > have shown some concern over it. So this presents us with 3 options: > > * Mandatory Gravatars for all users with email addresses. Gravatars > will not show if the user does not have an email address. This is the > current solution. > > * Optional Gravatar support - server Gravatars by hot-linking, but > allow users to specify whether they want Gravatar support on or off. > > * Mirrored Gravatar support - as above, but Gravatars are first cached > on MusicBrainz servers. This will cause an extra overhead on the > servers, as at some point we have to update all our cached copies. I'm > generally against this idea, for that reason… > > * Use a hot-linked Gravatar, and support custom image uploads. > > What do people think – which of these should we use? I'd prefer them to be optional but served by MusicBrainz server unless that's too much work/bandwidth. Philip _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Oliver Charles-2
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote:
> I'd prefer them to be optional but served by MusicBrainz server unless > that's too much work/bandwidth. The main issue I see with that, is we then need to cache images, and we also need to periodically update the images (so that's one more cron job). Unless you mean served by MusicBrainz, and having nothing to do with Gravatar. -- Oliver Charles / aCiD2 _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Age Bosma-2
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Oliver Charles wrote:
> > * Use a hot-linked Gravatar, and support custom image uploads. > What do you mean by 'custom image uploads'? Uploading an image to MB circumventing Gravatar completely? If that's the case than I'm for this option if the hot-linking part is the same as option 2. I, for one, will not be using Gravatar. I'm wondering why OpenID wasn't implemented instead. General login and avatar support in one go. I know there are objections against the general login part but the same can be said about the general avatar bit. Age _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Age Bosma-2
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Oliver Charles wrote:
> > * Use a hot-linked Gravatar, and support custom image uploads. > What do you mean by 'custom image uploads'? Uploading an image to MB circumventing Gravatar completely? If that's the case than I'm for this option if the hot-linking part is the same as option 2. I, for one, will not be using Gravatar. I'm wondering why OpenID wasn't implemented instead. General login and avatar support in one go. I know there are objections against the general login part but the same can be said about the general avatar bit. Age _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Oliver Charles-2
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Age Bosma <agebosma@...> wrote:
> What do you mean by 'custom image uploads'? Uploading an image to MB > circumventing Gravatar completely? > If that's the case than I'm for this option if the hot-linking part is > the same as option 2. I, for one, will not be using Gravatar. Yes, it would allow users to say "use this avatar or use my Gravatar" > I'm wondering why OpenID wasn't implemented instead. General login and > avatar support in one go. I know there are objections against the > general login part but the same can be said about the general avatar bit. OpenID needs more discussion, and I believe this was at least thought that it wouldn't require discussion :) From the feedback though, I'm probably going to revert adding that feature, and talk to Rob about it. Thanks for the feedback all! -- Oliver Charles / aCiD2 _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Nikolai Prokoschenko
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Oliver Charles wrote:
> While most people are generally for Gravatar support, but a few people > have shown some concern over it. Introducing Gravatar support means we'll have to go down that path further, i.e. introducing support for Pavatar, OpenID's avatars and possible hundred other things, just like we've had Twitter and immediately afterwards identi.ca. We should see where our focus is. Nevertheless, it is very nice to see MB keeping pace at current developments on the Web and doesn't try to be jack of all trades by using services better suited for particular purposes. > * Mandatory Gravatars for all users with email addresses. Gravatars > will not show if the user does not have an email address. This is the > current solution. Sucks. Gravatar support is something a user might not even be aware of and we should ask him at least once. > * Optional Gravatar support - server Gravatars by hot-linking, but > allow users to specify whether they want Gravatar support on or off. Better. > * Mirrored Gravatar support - as above, but Gravatars are first cached > on MusicBrainz servers. This will cause an extra overhead on the > servers, as at some point we have to update all our cached copies. I'm > generally against this idea, for that reason… Against it since a Gravatar is developed not to be cached. > * Use a hot-linked Gravatar, and support custom image uploads. + option to turn gravatar off + hotlinking a custom URL Then it'd be fine. Nikolai. _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Philip Jägenstedt-3
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Oliver Charles
<oliver.g.charles@...> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote: >> I'd prefer them to be optional but served by MusicBrainz server unless >> that's too much work/bandwidth. > > The main issue I see with that, is we then need to cache images, and > we also need to periodically update the images (so that's one more > cron job). Unless you mean served by MusicBrainz, and having nothing > to do with Gravatar. Ok, I need to figure out what a Gravatar is before expressing a preference here... Philip _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Kuno Woudt-2
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 09:58:38PM +0200, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Oliver Charles > <oliver.g.charles@...> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote: > >> I'd prefer them to be optional but served by MusicBrainz server unless > >> that's too much work/bandwidth. > > > > The main issue I see with that, is we then need to cache images, and > > we also need to periodically update the images (so that's one more > > cron job). Unless you mean served by MusicBrainz, and having nothing > > to do with Gravatar. > > Ok, I need to figure out what a Gravatar is before expressing a > preference here... There are some privacy issues. Because musicbrainz is/was considering using them, I actually tried to link up some user accounts on different sites based on their gravatar. I've written a blog post about the issues I see and my quick attempt to exploid them a bit, please have a look: http://320x200.org/post.py/2009/gravatar.txt -- kuno / warp. _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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Re: Gravatar support
by Robert Kaye
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On Apr 17, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Kuno Woudt wrote: > I've written a blog post about the issues I see and my quick attempt > to exploid them a bit, please have a look: > > http://320x200.org/post.py/2009/gravatar.txt "So, to conclude. If you are running a site which uses gravatars, please allow users to turn them off," Well, since I'm on a rally to get rid of preferences, I'm certainly not adding one for this. Oliver: Please yank the Gravatar support so we can be done with this. -- --ruaok A village in Texas has its idiot back! Robert Kaye -- rob@... -- http://mayhem-chaos.net _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users |
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