Green .css + Rene Rivera Banner + Google Search Boost

[Jeff Garland]

Rene Rivera wrote:

> Matias Capeletto wrote:
>> I have looked at VS colouring scheme, IMO users will be grateful if we
>> provide this kind of syntax highlight... it is not my usual IDE but I
>> know that many many others use it. Some of the colors where similar to
>> the one Paul choose.
>>
>> The things I do not like about VS syntax are:
>>
>> * The #include keyword is colored with the same color of the keywords.
>> * Numbers are black
>> * Eye damaging colors are used, I like blue for identifiers but
>> (0,0,255) calls to much attention.
>
> I might as well point out the coloring that my editor, SciTE, does as it
> seems to be like the VS style but without those problems. HTML export,
> directly from the editor, is attached.

Just so we get all our favorite editors, here's an xemacs sample ;-)

http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_2.png
http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_1.png

Note that the emacs recognizer is smart enough to distinguish variable from
typenames.

Jeff

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[Jeff Garland]

Rene Rivera wrote:
> Matias Capeletto wrote:
>> I changed the css with a VS "like" syntax that IMHO it is better suited for us.
>>
>> You can see the results here:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s
>
> I forgot to mention... I don't like the "red" strings. Red is for
> errors, so it looks out of place in code.
>

I agree, red strings are bad.

Jeff

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[Rene Rivera-2]

Jeff Garland wrote:
> Just so we get all our favorite editors, here's an xemacs sample ;-)
>
> http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_2.png
> http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_1.png
>
> Note that the emacs recognizer is smart enough to distinguish variable from
> typenames.

Yes, classic emacs, throws in the kitchen sink and makes it look like
rainbow coding ;-) Seriously... red == error, green == good (comments).


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[Matias Capeletto]

On 6/8/07, Rene Rivera <grafikrobot@...> wrote:

> Jeff Garland wrote:
> > Just so we get all our favorite editors, here's an xemacs sample ;-)
> >
> > http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_2.png
> > http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_1.png
> >
> > Note that the emacs recognizer is smart enough to distinguish variable from
> > typenames.
>
> Yes, classic emacs, throws in the kitchen sink and makes it look like
> rainbow coding ;-) Seriously... red == error, green == good (comments).

Ok, what color do you proposed for the strings?
Do you think that others colors are fine?

Regards
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[Matias Capeletto]

* Strings, chars and numbers are rendered teal, like the xpressive docs
* Comments are rendered with readable invisible ink ;)
* darker #include

The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)

Here it is:
http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s

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[John Maddock]

Matias Capeletto wrote:

> On 6/8/07, Rene Rivera <grafikrobot@...> wrote:
>> Jeff Garland wrote:
>>> Just so we get all our favorite editors, here's an xemacs sample ;-)
>>>
>>> http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_2.png
>>> http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_1.png
>>>
>>> Note that the emacs recognizer is smart enough to distinguish
>>> variable from typenames.
>>
>> Yes, classic emacs, throws in the kitchen sink and makes it look like
>> rainbow coding ;-) Seriously... red == error, green == good
>> (comments).

While we're on the subject of different IDE's and schemes, I'm attaching a
shot of Borland's default scheme.

> Ok, what color do you proposed for the strings?
> Do you think that others colors are fine?

I think we're running out of colors :-)

I think the redish color is OK for strings, but probably because I've got
used to it.  Green or Blue would be safe choices, but might not stand out as
much from the other stuff.

One other thing to check before we settle this: that the color scheme prints
OK, and particularly that it prints OK in monochrome.  If the colors are too
light then you can end up with real problems trying to read printed output
:-(  Just thought I'd flag this up before we get too carried away.

John.


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[Eric Niebler]

Matias Capeletto wrote:
> * Strings, chars and numbers are rendered teal, like the xpressive docs
> * Comments are rendered with readable invisible ink ;)
> * darker #include
>
> The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)
>
> Here it is:
> http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s

Ahhh, soothing. :-) Comments could be a bit darker, but not a big deal.
Also, why are the code callouts on the wrong lines? Quickbook bug?

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[John Maddock]

Matias Capeletto wrote:
> * Strings, chars and numbers are rendered teal, like the xpressive
> docs
> * Comments are rendered with readable invisible ink ;)
> * darker #include
>
> The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)
>
> Here it is:
> http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s

It looks nice and subtle, but maybe too subtle, I don't think it'll print
well, and on screen I have trouble spotting comments against the colored
background.  Likewise numbers and strings don't stand out that clearly to
me.

Just my 2c worth.

John.


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[Jeff Garland]

Rene Rivera wrote:

> Jeff Garland wrote:
>> Just so we get all our favorite editors, here's an xemacs sample ;-)
>>
>> http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_2.png
>> http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_1.png
>>
>> Note that the emacs recognizer is smart enough to distinguish variable from
>> typenames.
>
> Yes, classic emacs, throws in the kitchen sink and makes it look like
> rainbow coding ;-)

:-)

 > Seriously... red == error, green == good (comments).

Yep, I'm not in love with the emacs default colors just posting them for
perspective. One of these days I'll get around to changing them...maybe after
folks on this list come up with the perfect color set ;-)

I was just looking at what 'gedit' does on Linux, it's really bad -- function
names and some keywords (for, return) are a bolded red.  Strings and numbers
are some sort of florescent pink.  yuk!

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[Matias Capeletto]

On 6/8/07, John Maddock <john@...> wrote:

> Matias Capeletto wrote:
> > * Strings, chars and numbers are rendered teal, like the xpressive
> > docs
> > * Comments are rendered with readable invisible ink ;)
> > * darker #include
> >
> > The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)
> >
> > Here it is:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s
>
> It looks nice and subtle, but maybe too subtle, I don't think it'll print
> well, and on screen  Likewise numbers and strings don't stand out that clearly to
> me.

Is Printing a problem? I think the .css has a special part for printing colors.

I have trouble spotting comments against the colored
> background.

That is the idea (maybe it was a bad idea but the rationale was that
the comments
do not get in your way until the moment you want to read them)

I now it is too subtle, I am weak for pastels colors :)
I recommend that others try his own combination and then we choose...
If not we will be doing this for all life ;)

Best regards
Matias

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[Charles Brockman]

Matias Capeletto wrote:
> The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)
> Here it is:
> http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s

By the way Matias, in quick_tutorial.qbk:
"A convinience header is avaiable in the boost directory:" should be
"A convenience header is available in the boost directory:"

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[Matias Capeletto]

On 6/8/07, Charles Brockman <mr-chuck@...> wrote:
> Matias Capeletto wrote:
> > The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)
> > Here it is:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s
>
> By the way Matias, in quick_tutorial.qbk:
> "A convinience header is avaiable in the boost directory:" should be
> "A convenience header is available in the boost directory:"

thanks!
It will be corrected
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[Michael Marcin]

John Maddock wrote:

> Matias Capeletto wrote:
>> * Strings, chars and numbers are rendered teal, like the xpressive
>> docs
>> * Comments are rendered with readable invisible ink ;)
>> * darker #include
>>
>> The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)
>>
>> Here it is:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s
>
> It looks nice and subtle, but maybe too subtle, I don't think it'll
> print
> well, and on screen I have trouble spotting comments against the
> colored
> background.  Likewise numbers and strings don't stand out that
> clearly to
> me.
>

I have a problem reading the comments on strings.
I also like syntax highlighting on macros and UDTs.

I'm also attaching shots of CodeWarrior and Visual Studio 2005 + Visual
Assist X.

P.S.
In the comment in this screenshot "initialising" should be "initializing"

Thanks,

Michael Marcin



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[John Maddock]

Matias Capeletto wrote:

> On 6/8/07, John Maddock <john@...> wrote:
>> Matias Capeletto wrote:
>>> * Strings, chars and numbers are rendered teal, like the xpressive
>>> docs
>>> * Comments are rendered with readable invisible ink ;)
>>> * darker #include
>>>
>>> The result is much more formal than last one (no more fun red)
>>>
>>> Here it is:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s
>>
>> It looks nice and subtle, but maybe too subtle, I don't think it'll
>> print
>> well, and on screen  Likewise numbers and strings don't stand out
>> that clearly to me.
>
> Is Printing a problem? I think the .css has a special part for
> printing colors.

Ah, so it does: actually it could do with some work: the print preview in
Firefox at least doesn't look that great :-(  No syntax highlights at all,
and the code overflows the right side of the box rather often.

In any case I'd like a consistent look and feel between our PDF's and the
web page if at all possible.

> I have trouble spotting comments against the colored
>> background.
>
> That is the idea (maybe it was a bad idea but the rationale was that
> the comments
> do not get in your way until the moment you want to read them)

Oh, I always read the comments first and the code after !

> I now it is too subtle, I am weak for pastels colors :)
> I recommend that others try his own combination and then we choose...
> If not we will be doing this for all life ;)

:-)

Here goes then:
http://johnmaddock.co.uk/test/boost_bimap/one_minute_tutorial.html is
lacking the new top banner, but has almost the same colors as your version,
just a touch darker here and there.  I've also moved the callouts down to a
0pt offset so that they line up with the right line :-)

For comparison, here's the same scheme rendered as a PDF:
http://johnmaddock.co.uk/test/bimap.pdf albeit with all the images missing -
I couldn't be bothered to fix those up, sorry!

John.


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[Matias Capeletto]

> >>> Here it is:
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2lh95s
> >>
> >> It looks nice and subtle, but maybe too subtle, I don't think it'll
> >> print
> >> well, and on screen  Likewise numbers and strings don't stand out
> >> that clearly to me.
> >
> > Is Printing a problem? I think the .css has a special part for
> > printing colors.
>
> Ah, so it does: actually it could do with some work: the print preview in
> Firefox at least doesn't look that great :-(  No syntax highlights at all,
> and the code overflows the right side of the box rather often.

We have to fix that.

> In any case I'd like a consistent look and feel between our PDF's and the
> web page if at all possible.

I agree.

> > I have trouble spotting comments against the colored
> >> background.
> >
> > That is the idea (maybe it was a bad idea but the rationale was that
> > the comments
> > do not get in your way until the moment you want to read them)
>
> Oh, I always read the comments first and the code after !

I do not :)
But you may be right here because boost authors generally used comments
to flag strange things like

*i = 2; // crash!

Other comments are usually not necessarily because boost libs are so
well thought that they are almost auto commented.

> > I now it is too subtle, I am weak for pastels colors :)
> > I recommend that others try his own combination and then we choose...
> > If not we will be doing this for all life ;)
>
> :-)
>
> Here goes then:
> http://johnmaddock.co.uk/test/boost_bimap/one_minute_tutorial.html is
> lacking the new top banner, but has almost the same colors as your version,
> just a touch darker here and there.  I've also moved the callouts down to a
> 0pt offset so that they line up with the right line :-)

I really like it!
(now it is my turn) ... the only thing I will change is... :)
No really, maybe the comments can be made less dos green, but that's all.

> For comparison, here's the same scheme rendered as a PDF:
> http://johnmaddock.co.uk/test/bimap.pdf albeit with all the images missing -
> I couldn't be bothered to fix those up, sorry!

Wow!
I have never seen it before with bimap docs, thanks.
Questions about it:

* How do you change it looks and feel? Now that we are moving from
blue to green it may be worth to look how Green titles looks.
* Can we put colors to tables?
* Can we remove the gray color for blurbs?  I am using blurbs in the
rationale in some places because they look exactly as a code block.
* Can we put some light background tint in blocks?
* Has pdf different styles for showing in the screen and printing?

I am going to print this pdf and put it in my room wall :)

Thanks
Best regards
Matias

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[John Maddock]

Matias Capeletto wrote:

>> Here goes then:
>> http://johnmaddock.co.uk/test/boost_bimap/one_minute_tutorial.html is
>> lacking the new top banner, but has almost the same colors as your
>> version, just a touch darker here and there.  I've also moved the
>> callouts down to a 0pt offset so that they line up with the right
>> line :-)
>
> I really like it!
> (now it is my turn) ... the only thing I will change is... :)
> No really, maybe the comments can be made less dos green, but that's
> all.

Hmmm, I just picked a darker green from the list here:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colors.asp  so which would you prefer?

>> For comparison, here's the same scheme rendered as a PDF:
>> http://johnmaddock.co.uk/test/bimap.pdf albeit with all the images
>> missing - I couldn't be bothered to fix those up, sorry!
>
> Wow!
> I have never seen it before with bimap docs, thanks.
> Questions about it:
>
> * How do you change it looks and feel? Now that we are moving from
> blue to green it may be worth to look how Green titles looks.

Ah, the titles are only blue because they are links, so green titles = green
links which may not be such a good idea.  The look and feel is set in
tools/boostbook/xsl/fo.xsl - look towards the end.

> * Can we put colors to tables?

Probably, what did you have in mind?  I'm no kind of FO or XSL expert, so
I'm just thrashing around changing stuff till it looks vaguely OK.

> * Can we remove the gray color for blurbs?  I am using blurbs in the
> rationale in some places because they look exactly as a code block.

No idea, I haven't deliberately colored blurbs.

> * Can we put some light background tint in blocks?

Also no idea at present.

> * Has pdf different styles for showing in the screen and printing?

No, what-you-see-is-what-you-get, that's the whole idea :-)

> I am going to print this pdf and put it in my room wall :)

Better fix those images first then :-)

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[Paul A. Bristow-2]

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>[mailto:boost-docs-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
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I like the 'Joseph rainbow' style because the more you use color to differentiate the various elements, the easier I find to
understand.

>I think the redish color is OK for strings, but probably
>because I've got used to it.

I also think a dark magenta/brown is suitable for strings.

>  Green or Blue would be safe choices, but might
>not stand out as much from the other stuff.

Vital that we use a different color for strings - and green commens and bluw keywords seem reasonable 'standard'.

Using either darkblue or violet for pre-processor seems to work nicely for me.

>One other thing to check before we settle this: that the color
>scheme prints OK, and particularly that it prints OK in monochrome.

I've already had trouble with printing (in color) and this is why I've gone back to 'nursery' colors (after some experiments with
more subtle shades.

> If the colors are too
>light then you can end up with real problems trying to read
>printed output
>:-(  Just thought I'd flag this up before we get too carried away.

Right!

Another reason for using fully saturated colors.

Perhaps we need to start a rationale ?

Otherwise everyone's taste is everyone elses yuck ;-)

Or we may have to suggest more than one scheme?  If you never print and want it easy on the eyes...

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[Paul A. Bristow-2]

 

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>To: Boost documentation format, structure, and processing discussion
>Subject: Re: [Boost-docs] Green .css + Rene Rivera Banner +
>GoogleSearchBoost
>
>Matias Capeletto wrote:
>> On 6/8/07, Rene Rivera <grafikrobot@...> wrote:
>>> Jeff Garland wrote:
>>>> Just so we get all our favorite editors, here's an xemacs
>sample ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_2.png
>>>>
>http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/boost_web/emacs_screenshot_1.png
>>>>
>>>> Note that the emacs recognizer is smart enough to distinguish
>>>> variable from typenames.
>>>
>>> Yes, classic emacs, throws in the kitchen sink and makes it
>look like
>>> rainbow coding ;-) Seriously... red == error, green == good
>>> (comments).
>
>While we're on the subject of different IDE's and schemes, I'm
>attaching a
>shot of Borland's default scheme.
>
>> Ok, what color do you proposed for the strings?
>> Do you think that others colors are fine?
>
>I think we're running out of colors :-)
>
>I think the redish color is OK for strings, but probably
>because I've got
>used to it.  Green or Blue would be safe choices, but might
>not stand out as
>much from the other stuff.
>
>One other thing to check before we settle this: that the color
>scheme prints
>OK, and particularly that it prints OK in monochrome.  If the
>colors are too
>light then you can end up with real problems trying to read
>printed output
>:-(  Just thought I'd flag this up before we get too carried away.
>
>John.
>

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[John Maddock]

Matias Capeletto wrote:
> * How do you change it looks and feel? Now that we are moving from
> blue to green it may be worth to look how Green titles looks.
> * Can we put colors to tables?
> * Can we remove the gray color for blurbs?  I am using blurbs in the
> rationale in some places because they look exactly as a code block.
> * Can we put some light background tint in blocks?

I think I've fixed these: using the test document that contains a "bit of
everything" that's in the sandbox, here's the HTML:
http://www.johnmaddock.co.uk/test and the PDF using the same scheme:
http://www.johnmaddock.co.uk/test/test.pdf

I'm not sure how the green titles look in PDF as opposed to HTML?

John.


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[Paul A. Bristow-2]

 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: boost-docs-bounces@...
>[mailto:boost-docs-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
>John Maddock
>Sent: 10 June 2007 17:30
>To: Boost documentation format, structure, and processing discussion
>Subject: Re: [Boost-docs] Green .css + Rene Rivera Banner +
>GoogleSearchBoost
>I think I've fixed these: using the test document that
>contains a "bit of
>everything" that's in the sandbox, here's the HTML:
>http://www.johnmaddock.co.uk/test and the PDF using the same scheme:
>http://www.johnmaddock.co.uk/test/test.pdf
>
>I'm not sure how the green titles look in PDF as opposed to HTML?

These look rather good to me except that

Firefox 2.0 nor IE 6 does not show the last three fancies right

 Try some superscrips and subscripts: x2, xi3, α2, βα, ⌊x⌋, ⌊α⌋, ⌈a⌉.

Even though this displays right now I have copied and pasted it in!


The pdf displays as:

Try some superscrips and subscripts: x2, xi3, α2, βα, x , α , a .

Just to confuse further :-(

AND although I'm not that keen on green ...

I strongly like the faint green (or blue or yellow?) background

Could it be even fainter and still work?

Could a very faint yellow be better?  (This is used by TextPad to show the current line containing the cursor and is RAELLY helpful).

and I like the border, again as thin as possible.

The callouts are a bit faint grey?

(And personally I strongly prefer inline comments - you don't have to keep hopping the eyes about).

I also note that we are not using all the basic colors available yet - no reds or purples.

And teal is a bit wish-washy.  As Rene noted, the visually challenged (mea culpa) find it more difficult.

I like the titles in bold but dark green.

Paul

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