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Re: Sun USB KBD and Zip disks

2009-11-08T15:46:49Z

> over a serial console

I'd second the serial cable approach - having just done the same thing recently.

BTW - the usb keyboard does "NOT" allow normal functionality such as STOP A etc - as the usb keyboard driver doesn't get loaded until the o/s gets loaded - so its so much easier via serial.

I'd forgotten and had to find as well - it takes 2 pushes on the pwr button as the sun blade boots to get it to the ok prompt

regards
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Re: Sun USB KBD and Zip disks

2009-11-08T14:26:00Z

> I got a free Sun Blade 100 (and yeah, I know all about it's IDE
> limitations) but think I'm going to set it up to replace/retire one of
> my SS10's...with the IDE drive should be a bunch bigger than the 9GB
> drives on the 10's... and sounds already quite a bit quieter (esp the
> full height 9GB drive..) Anyway, I just realized that I don't have any
> USB keyboards (PC or Sun). Any one know if one of the PC-KBD to USB
> adapters will work? (it seems to at least detect it... but also got a
> bit of repeat...) If not, will a standard cheapo PC kbd work (at least
> for loading OS...)? Are the Sun USB kbds out there for cheap?

I have a Blade 100 at work, and I have loaded the OS repeatedly (test
box) over a serial console. You may want a graphical console for some
other reason, but it is not necessary to make the box go.

Given a choice, I'd probably stick with the SS10, but then I am partial
to SCSI and SBUS.

Steve
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Sun USB KBD and Zip disks

2009-11-08T14:18:49Z

A question and an offer...

I got a free Sun Blade 100 (and yeah, I know all about it's IDE
limitations) but think I'm going to set it up to replace/retire one
of my SS10's...with the IDE drive should be a bunch bigger than the
9GB drives on the 10's... and sounds already quite a bit quieter (esp
the full height 9GB drive..) Anyway, I just realized that I don't
have any USB keyboards (PC or Sun). Any one know if one of the PC-KBD
to USB adapters will work? (it seems to at least detect it... but also
got a bit of repeat...) If not, will a standard cheapo PC kbd work
(at least for loading OS...)? Are the Sun USB kbds out there for cheap?

Now the offer: I got 3 Iomega 100 MB cartridges handed to me, but I
have no use for them. Anybody want them? I'll send for price of
shipping...
(one is still in the shrink wrap...)

'later

Earl
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Re: Mac IIfx compatible NuBus video card.

2009-11-08T09:22:35Z

On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 11:24:06AM -0500, Mark G. Thomas wrote:

>So, now I've got a working ethernet card, I'm trying to do something
>useful with the IIfx.

I found this nosing around the Apple web site:

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA42169

Why Is There A New Black Terminator For The Macintosh IIfx?
===========================================================

One of the features of the Macintosh IIfx is a new SCSI chip that
provides SCSI data transfer rates up to 3MB per second, faster than any
earlier Macintosh systems. To achieve these transfer rates, components
on the Macintosh IIfx logic board are smaller and faster, this makes
them more susceptible to signal reflections on the cable. The new
terminator adds the filter capacitors and changes the resistor values
for some of the signals to reduce the reflections.

This originally was from 1992, when 3MB per second was fast. I wonder if later
SCSI terminators designed for 5MB or faster SCSI would work?

There are also several warnings that you should only have 1 black terminator
on a chain, even with a IIfx.

Geoff.

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Re: Mac IIfx compatible NuBus video card.

2009-11-08T08:24:06Z

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:39:22PM +0200, gsm@... wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 02:33:49PM -0700, Ian Finder wrote:
>>
>> To conclude, WTF Apple?!
>
> Black terminators!!!!

Speaking of which, I'm in search of the special black terminator for
my IIfx.

I had let me pile of 68k rescued macs get dusty until a few weeks
ago when I picked a IIci from the dumpster at work. It had an ethernet
card in it, booted right up, and I was able to fire up the installed
Navigator version 2, to pull up web sites. Wow.

So, now I've got a working ethernet card, I'm trying to do something
useful with the IIfx.

Mark

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Re: FS: 13W3 to VGA adapters

2009-11-07T19:17:28Z

I would be interested in one

On 11/7/09, Robert Brooke Gravitt <gravitt@...> wrote:
> Hey, found 2 13w3-to-VGA adapters. Used previously on sgi & hp kit.
> $10 each + actual shipping from 30096?
>
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FS: 13W3 to VGA adapters

2009-11-07T17:11:43Z

Hey, found 2 13w3-to-VGA adapters. Used previously on sgi & hp kit.
$10 each + actual shipping from 30096?

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Re: Free IBM mainframe equipment in Boston area

2009-11-07T13:07:36Z

Ba DUMP bump!

Enjoy the veal, don't forget to tip your waitress...

> I had a '63 Impala like that.
>
> It wasn't actually a car, it was a coupling facility.
>
> -Shel
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Re: Free IBM mainframe equipment in Boston area

2009-11-07T13:03:41Z

Sridhar Ayengar said ...
> Ahmed Ewing wrote:
> >
> > http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/zip/1451026970.html
>
> That's not actually a mainframe. It's a coupling facility.

I had a '63 Impala like that.

It wasn't actually a car, it was a coupling facility.

-Shel
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Re: Can a drive from an EMC be used an a SunBlade 2000

2009-11-06T23:58:50Z

Usually all you have to do is change the sector size of the disk from 520 (emc
proprietary) to 512 (normal) & reformat.

sformat (schilly tools) or scu (scsi
command utility) normally work just fine.....

I also read somewhere long ago
that format -e & then rewrite the label as SMI works too - but I've never
tried that.

I've also done it with a pc and it works there also.

regards
steve

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Curtis H. Wilbar Jr. <rescue@...>
wrote:

> From: Curtis H. Wilbar Jr. <rescue@...>
> Subject:
[rescue] Can a drive from an EMC be used an a SunBlade 2000
> To: "The Rescue
List" <rescue@...>
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 11:36 PM
> Can a
ST3146807FCV taken from an EMC
> (having EMC firmware)
> be used in a SunBlade
2000 ?
>
> If the firmware would need to be reprogrammed, anyone have
> a
>
firmware "flasher" for Solaris, PC, Linux, etc (and
> an appropriate
> (Sun?)
firmware load) ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Curt
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Can a drive from an EMC be used an a SunBlade 2000

2009-11-06T21:36:01Z

Can a ST3146807FCV taken from an EMC (having EMC firmware)
be used in a SunBlade 2000 ?

If the firmware would need to be reprogrammed, anyone have a
firmware "flasher" for Solaris, PC, Linux, etc (and an appropriate
(Sun?) firmware load) ?

Thanks,

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SGI Origin2000 PCI shoehorns

2009-11-06T13:57:44Z

Got a couple of these things (030-1275-002/003), more than I need.
They're set up to work in an Origin system, but if you send an Octane
card I can swap hardware. These are the XIO -> single 64-bit PCI
adaptors.

$25 each.
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FS: 24" Core2 Duo iMac White Case (Late 2006) - UK only

2009-11-06T12:47:11Z

UK ONLY.

Friend of mine is selling an iMac Core2 Duo. He's owned it from new
AFAIK, looks in very sound condition.

http://no.gd/imac/

No professional affiliation, he's just a friend of mine who lives
locally and I know he looks after his gear.

If you want to contact him please go direct to the address on the page.

Thanks for looking!

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Re: Free IBM mainframe equipment in Boston area

2009-11-06T11:47:18Z

On Friday 06 November 2009, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> Ahmed Ewing wrote:
> > Not my Craigslist posting (and I can't assist in arrangements
> > either), but I know there are some Big Blue fans here... have at
> > it.
> >
> > http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/zip/1451026970.html
>
> That's not actually a mainframe. It's a coupling facility.

True, it's a 9674, but I wouldn't mind having the 3490E, but I'm not
anywhere near Boston to pick it up.

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Re: Free IBM mainframe equipment in Boston area

2009-11-06T08:10:21Z

Ahmed Ewing wrote:
> Not my Craigslist posting (and I can't assist in arrangements either),
> but I know there are some Big Blue fans here... have at it.
>
> http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/zip/1451026970.html

That's not actually a mainframe. It's a coupling facility.

Peace... Sridhar
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Free IBM mainframe equipment in Boston area

2009-11-05T14:57:47Z

Not my Craigslist posting (and I can't assist in arrangements either),
but I know there are some Big Blue fans here... have at it.

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/zip/1451026970.html

-A
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Re: Crimson on eBay

2009-11-05T07:27:12Z

All I want to see is the power supply for one of these guys up for
sale. I already own my Crimson.

-- Ian

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Ethan O'Toole <ethan@...> wrote:

>> I don't know if anyone is interested, but I don't see these come up to
>> often any more on eBay. Its in the VA area, according to the listing.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310179156963
>
> I know of a 4d/480VGX (used to be mine) in Richmond looking for a home.
>
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Re: Crimson on eBay

2009-11-05T07:13:36Z

> I don't know if anyone is interested, but I don't see these come up to often
> any more on eBay. Its in the VA area, according to the listing.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310179156963

I know of a 4d/480VGX (used to be mine) in Richmond looking for a home.

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Crimson on eBay

2009-11-05T07:06:20Z

I don't know if anyone is interested, but I don't see these come up to
often any more on eBay. Its in the VA area, according to the listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310179156963

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Re: Score

2009-11-03T02:53:48Z

In article <AB9E4E18EAEB9A4E8869F48CB6FE116901BC19F7@...>,
"John Lengeling" <John.Lengeling@...> writes:

> > On which one were you trying to run that job?
> >
> > Peace... Sridhar
>
> We originally started out on the PDP 11/44 and eventually that machine
> was replaced with a VAX 11/170. This was circa 1984-1990

My stint was circa 1980.
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Re: Score

2009-11-02T15:55:45Z

When I worked at DEC, I was in two different facilities that had Xerox
9700s/8700s -- Maynard's PKO1, and Marlboro's MRO1. The 9700 in
Parker Street was tape-fed, and we printed jobs from the
DECsystem-10s, DECSYSTEM-20s, and VAX systems by queueing them to a
special "printer" that accumulated the jobs. Several times a day the
jobs were spooled off to tape, the jobs printed, and we could go
collect the output.

In Marlboro, the Xerox 8700 was on the then-newish Ethernet, and jobs
were queued, via a software package that later got marketed as the
Distributed Queueing System, from the various computers in the
building (which was vast), to a VAX/VMS system that played 'front end'
to the 8700. We'd go look for the printouts some 2-3 hours later.

j

On 2 Nov 2009, at 17:54, John Lengeling wrote:

>> On which one were you trying to run that job?
>>
>> Peace... Sridhar
>
> We originally started out on the PDP 11/44 and eventually that machine
> was replaced with a VAX 11/170. This was circa 1984-1990
>
> I worked in a department called "Text Processing" before anyone had
> word
> processors. A lot of departments were using vi + nroff + Diablo
> 1620/30
> printers to generate letters/mail merges. These machines were also
> used
> to drive a typesetter using ditroff to typeset the university catalog.
>
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Re: Score

2009-11-02T14:54:56Z

> On which one were you trying to run that job?
>
> Peace... Sridhar

We originally started out on the PDP 11/44 and eventually that machine
was replaced with a VAX 11/170. This was circa 1984-1990

I worked in a department called "Text Processing" before anyone had word
processors. A lot of departments were using vi + nroff + Diablo 1620/30
printers to generate letters/mail merges. These machines were also used
to drive a typesetter using ditroff to typeset the university catalog.

johnl
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Re: Score

2009-11-02T13:38:18Z

John Lengeling wrote:
> Sorry, alzhimer... :-)
>
> We originally has a PDP 11/44 with BSD 2.9 which got replaced with a VAX
> 11/750 with BSD 4.3.

On which one were you trying to run that job?

Peace... Sridhar

> John Lengeling wrote:
>> took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3. Replaced awk and
> dd
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ???
>
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Re: Score

2009-11-02T13:36:32Z

Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>> BTW: I hate 9-track tapes and SMD hard drives...back with techs
>> swapped out HD boards and hard disk assemblies...Where is CDC now
>
> What's wrong with replacing components?
>
>> days?
>
> Owned by British Telecom (BT).

Well, part of it is Traveler's Insurance. There are other independent
bits too.

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Re: Score

2009-11-02T13:13:45Z

Sorry, alzhimer... :-)

We originally has a PDP 11/44 with BSD 2.9 which got replaced with a VAX
11/750 with BSD 4.3.

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John Lengeling wrote:
> took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3. Replaced awk and
dd
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
???

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Re: Score

2009-11-02T12:54:34Z

On Monday 02 November 2009, John Lengeling wrote:
> Started using awk, nroff, and dd to generate the 9-track tapes, but
> this took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3. Replaced

2BSD ran on PDP-11s. 4BSD ran on VAXes. Something doesn't add up. :)

> BTW: I hate 9-track tapes and SMD hard drives...back with techs
> swapped out HD boards and hard disk assemblies...Where is CDC now

What's wrong with replacing components?

> days?

Owned by British Telecom (BT).

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Re: Score

2009-11-02T12:49:05Z

John Lengeling wrote:
> took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3. Replaced awk and dd
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
???

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Re: Score

2009-11-02T12:39:26Z

> When I was a teenager, my first major solo programming project was to
> write a program that would queue print jobs to a Xerox laser printer.
> The printer would accept input on 9-track magtape and print from the
> jobs based on the input. The program I wrote took your input files
> and queued them locally to a spooling area. Then once a week it was
> run with a separate switch to generate the formatted magtape for
> printing. There were separate queues for the different paper types
> and the magtape formatting was kinda funky IIRC. I really wish I had
> kept a source listing of that program as it was the first program of
> any significance that I wrote. They used it at Project DELTA at the
> University of Delaware for a number of years after I wrote it.

Had a somewhat similar experience with 9700s at the university where I
worked. We would receive 10-15,000 names of students taking the ACT/SAT
tests who indicated interest in attending the university.

The goal was to be the first letter the student received after taking
their ACT/SAT. So there was a big push to turn these around an get them
in the mail as fast a possible. We merged the names with a letter,
added customized paragraphs based on major and wrote them to 9-track
tape which was read in by a Xerox 9700.

Started using awk, nroff, and dd to generate the 9-track tapes, but this
took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3. Replaced awk and dd
with a custom C program for more speed. Also replaced nroff with roff.
We were able to then write all of the letters to tape in about 24 hours
versus days previously.

BTW: I hate 9-track tapes and SMD hard drives...back with techs swapped
out HD boards and hard disk assemblies...Where is CDC now days?
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Re: Score

2009-11-02T10:33:16Z

In article <4AEEF087.3080400@...>,
Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster@...> writes:

> Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
> > Well, almost 30 years ago the Xerox 9700 could do 120ppm, and
> > lower-end models could do 40-60ppm. The 9700 was a beast. It had a
> > duty cycle of something like a million pages a month. Hell, they
>
> Production printers are a different sort of animal altogether.

Indeed.

When I was a teenager, my first major solo programming project was to
write a program that would queue print jobs to a Xerox laser printer.
The printer would accept input on 9-track magtape and print from the
jobs based on the input. The program I wrote took your input files
and queued them locally to a spooling area. Then once a week it was
run with a separate switch to generate the formatted magtape for
printing. There were separate queues for the different paper types
and the magtape formatting was kinda funky IIRC. I really wish I had
kept a source listing of that program as it was the first program of
any significance that I wrote. They used it at Project DELTA at the
University of Delaware for a number of years after I wrote it.
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Re: Score

2009-11-02T06:45:27Z

Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
> Well, almost 30 years ago the Xerox 9700 could do 120ppm, and
> lower-end models could do 40-60ppm. The 9700 was a beast. It had a
> duty cycle of something like a million pages a month. Hell, they

Production printers are a different sort of animal altogether.

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Re: no batteries in Ultra 5/10's?

2009-10-31T17:58:20Z

The RTC chip has a lithium battery inside.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:44 PM, James Hartley <jjhartley@...> wrote:

> I recently resurrected an older Pentium III, replacing the 3V battery on
> the
> motherboard because the clock couldn't keep time from one session to the
> next.
>
> I then recalled that I never saw batteries on Ultra 5/10 motherboards. How
> then is time been maintained?
>
> Thanks for any insight shared.
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no batteries in Ultra 5/10's?

2009-10-31T17:44:00Z

I recently resurrected an older Pentium III, replacing the 3V battery on the
motherboard because the clock couldn't keep time from one session to the
next.

I then recalled that I never saw batteries on Ultra 5/10 motherboards. How
then is time been maintained?

Thanks for any insight shared.
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Re: Score

2009-10-30T16:30:46Z

Phil Stracchino wrote:

> Charles Monett wrote:
>
>> Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Darlington wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nah, work. Zero use and 4 year warranty (3 year extended).
>>>>
>>> Mine is personal, and most decidedly used. However, it's about the
>>> nicest high speed printer I've ever owned.
>>>
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>> Just a matter of opinion, isn't ~20ish ppm a bit low for printing speed?
>>
>> My experience has been that's the territory of the form printers and
>> some B&W(HP 8500dn?) lasers.
>>
>
> 8500DN is an 11x17 color laser, and it's good for 24ppm in B/W. It's a
> pretty serious departmental printer. What kind of size printer are you
> used to that 20ppm is "a bit low"?
>
>
>

92ppm Xerox 4090/4890 form printers, which were quite large and HP's
not-so-large 50ppm B&W LaserJets of the 9000 series IIRC.

1000 pages on these things were done in minutes, not hours.
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Re: CD-RW/DVD-R on Ultra 10's?

2009-10-30T14:05:57Z

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Sheldon T. Hall <shel@...> wrote:

> What software are you trying to use? cdrecord (and progeny) has extensive
> tools and doco for troubleshooting, probably because it dates from an era
> when CD-anything was a lot less standardized than it is now.
>
> On the other hand, if you're using IDE, I know nothing.
>

Thanks, everyone for your comments. This Plextor is an IDE CD-RW/DVD-R
drive for which I was attempting to use cdrecord. I'll continue tinkering
with it.

Thanks, again!
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Re: CD-RW/DVD-R on Ultra 10's?

2009-10-30T07:54:43Z

James Hartley wrote ...

> I recently replaced the CD drive on an Ultra 10 with a
> Plextor CD-RW/DVD-R drive, & reading data on CD-R discs
> created elsewhere has consistently been fine. However, now
> I'm wanting to burn CD-R discs on the Ultra 10 itself.
> My first experiment didn't work with the software being
> unable to write the ISO to the disc.
>
> So, the culprit is either the software or hardware. Have
> others had any problems with putting more modern optical
> devices on equipment of similiar age?

I used all sorts of SCSI CD/DVD drives on my Sun and SGI gear, largely
without dificulty. Not every machine would boot from every drive, and my
experiments with a Nakamichi CD-changer were a failure, but, generally all
went OK. My experience with Plextors is universally positive.

What software are you trying to use? cdrecord (and progeny) has extensive
tools and doco for troubleshooting, probably because it dates from an era
when CD-anything was a lot less standardized than it is now.

On the other hand, if you're using IDE, I know nothing.

-Shel

-Shel
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