Has someone seen admins anywhere?
|
View:
New views
20 Messages
—
Rating Filter:
Alert me
|
| < Prev | 1 - 2 | Next > |
 |
Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lars Kneschke-2
::
Rate this Message:
Hello admins!
Do you still care for the project? We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. Miles is vannished completly. If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can carry on and elect new admins. The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and you are required to solve these problems. I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do any work for the project anymore. Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh)
::
Rate this Message:
Very intersting how you are acting here Lars!
First you took a long deep sleep and now everything is not fast enough.... I think some others here have problems to respect you as project member nor as admin! So cool down. irrsinn.de gmbh Im Dorfe 38 99489 Hottelstedt Fon: 036452/18954 Fax: 036452/18956 http://www.irrsinn.de eMail: info@... Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com Wir beseitigen E-Müll: http://www.defendix.net Am 01.02.2008 um 04:06 schrieb Lars Kneschke: > Hello admins! > > Do you still care for the project? > > We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. > We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. > Miles is vannished completly. > > If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, > please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can > carry on and elect new admins. > > The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and > you are required to solve these problems. > > I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do > any work for the project anymore. > Lars Kneschke > CTO OfficeSpot.Net > Metaways Infosystems GmbH > Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg > > eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net > OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net > our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org > > E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... > Web: http://www.metaways.de > Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 > Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 > Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 > > Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel > Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 > Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGroupWare-core@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by jaytraxx
::
Rate this Message:
Hi Lutz,
Conny and Lars are definitely acting on tine20 at the moment (I think you know that), so they do not sleep. I don't ! tine20 IS cool, and so are the authors :-) So far, now my 2cents: --- This post started a *bit* aggressive, but I also think that eGroupware at the moment suffers from a lack of man-power: - from the admin side AND from the developers side So, I think it's a good attempt from Lars to change that. -- END of my2cents Bye Christian
|
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by ralfbecker
::
Rate this Message:
Hi Lars,
I see no problem here, which is urgent enough, that I need to attend to it from my vacation to Australia end of this month.
I can not say if the missing reaction of Pim and Miles about the "Nigel Vicers case", means they found no fault in my acting or they had no time to look into it. My position on it is clear and I stated it here multiple times. I also support Conny clarification about announcing all changes of the membership status on the core list.
I made some comments about the constitution changes Conny proposed, but again for me that is not urgent enough, to interupt my vacation for that. Of cause any one is free to have a different opinion on this on.
My opinion about project members with voting right are the following:
- all people which currently have svn access (for the eGW repository, not Tine, as we agreed)
- the following 2 non developers:
+ Oscar as translation coordinator (he has svn rights)
+ Birgit as manual maintainer
- maybe Oscar or Birgit want to add a few more people, who made substantial contributions
- I dont consider anyone from the sf.net list, not already mentioned above, as they have not been active for years now
I fully support the idea of having a official list, viewable for everyone. It's a bad idea to start sorting out that, when we are about to vote on something. I will look into it, right when I'm back in March.
Ralf
"Lars Kneschke"
Hello admins! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lars Kneschke-2
::
Rate this Message:
"Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
> My opinion about project members with voting right are the following: > - all people which currently have svn access (for the eGW repository, not > Tine, as we agreed) > - the following 2 non developers: > + Oscar as translation coordinator (he has svn rights) > + Birgit as manual maintainer > - maybe Oscar or Birgit want to add a few more people, who made substantial > contributions > - I dont consider anyone from the sf.net list, not already mentioned above, > as they have not been active for years now > > I fully support the idea of having a official list, viewable for everyone. > It's a bad idea to start sorting out that, when we are about to vote on > something. I will look into it, right when I'm back in March. Why do we need to wait until march? I thought that we have 3 project admins? In reality we have only one project admin, who does not care about the opinion of the other project members. This is the same situation, before we had the admin elections. One admin is acting on his own and the other admins are gone. From my point of view, we can drop the constitution of our project in the trash can. No one cares and takes care about it anyway. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Milosch
::
Rate this Message:
The following is my personal opinion and does not constitute an
administrative decision: Lars Kneschke wrote: > Why do we need to wait until march? I thought that we have 3 project admins? > Yes, but some of us have lives away from egw. I am currently trying to get 2 new businesses going. Sorry, but that is the most important thing right now, since they pay my rent. > In reality we have only one project admin, who does not care about the > opinion of the other project members. This is the same situation, before we > had the admin elections. One admin is acting on his own and the other admins > are gone. > What you are perceiving has everything to do with our current stated or unstated opinion on the Nigel 'issue' being different from your own. As far as I am concerned, the only issue is how you will deal with him continuing to be a project member. It does not impact your ability to write code for tine or egroupware, so please concentrate on this, if this is what you want to do. If you are only interested in removing him as a project member, then I think you will only find disappointment. > From my point of view, we can drop the constitution of our project in the > trash can. No one cares and takes care about it anyway. > The way in which Nigel became a project member and the fact that he is a project member does not, as far as I can see right now, violate the constitution. What I see is only a strong hatred towards him. With that sort of emotion, you will never be happy as long as you keep up with this fight. You are the one who has to make a decision. If he is not the reason for you wanting to trash the constitution, then what is? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lars Kneschke-2
::
Rate this Message:
"Miles Lott" <milos@...> schrieb:
> The following is my personal opinion and does not constitute an > administrative decision: > > Lars Kneschke wrote: >> Why do we need to wait until march? I thought that we have 3 project admins? >> > Yes, but some of us have lives away from egw. I am currently trying to > get 2 new businesses going. Sorry, but that is the most important thing > right now, since they pay my rent. If you don't have the time to care of our project, then please step back. Other people have the needed time. > What you are perceiving has everything to do with our current stated or > unstated opinion on the Nigel 'issue' being different from your own. As > far as I am concerned, the only issue is how you will deal with him > continuing to be a project member. It does not impact your ability to > write code for tine or egroupware, so please concentrate on this, if > this is what you want to do. If you are only interested in removing him > as a project member, then I think you will only find disappointment. >> From my point of view, we can drop the constitution of our project in the >> trash can. No one cares and takes care about it anyway. >> > The way in which Nigel became a project member and the fact that he is a > project member does not, as far as I can see right now, violate the > constitution. What I see is only a strong hatred towards him. With > that sort of emotion, you will never be happy as long as you keep up > with this fight. You are the one who has to make a decision. > > If he is not the reason for you wanting to trash the constitution, then > what is? The Open Source Groupware Suite eGroupWare is a community effort, developed by people for their own enjoyment or to make their living from it. --> The ultimate instance in the eGroupWare project are these developers. <-- ... Ralf asked if someone will object if he adds Nigel to our project. Cornelius and me objected as Nigel massively offended us and still did not apologize for his actions. Ralf simply ignored our opinion. And you too. As long as the admins don't listen to the developers as the ultimate instance in our project, the constitution can be dropped into the trashcan. If the admins don't take care of the constitution, why should I? Why should I accept these admins anymore? I don't need admins which don't care of my interests, but only care about there own interests. As admin it is your job to find a solution all projectmembers can live with. But you even did't try to do this. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Frank-D
::
Rate this Message:
Hi Lars,
if you don't accept the admins and the constitution and the rules, than this project is the wrong place for you. These admins have really taken a big step towards you, allowing tine as a technology-testing branch insdie egw. You already were really close being kicked out last year and you know this. I really have the impression you guys are spending more times thinking about how to discredit the admins and the successfull 1.x codebase and to take over the name "egroupware" for their own project, than coding something. This, your tine- project is up to now nothing more, than three tables, called addressbook, CRM and Taks with a detailed view and a treeview on the left. Okay, it looks quite nice and you can do right-mouse-clicks. The Nigel case has been discussed, why do you want to stop people doing good coding for the egroupware-project, just because, they do not support your "we-code-everything-new-drop-everything-old-(including database!)-and-shit-on-all-upgrade-compatibility" strategy? Anyway you do not have the right to do so and I wish you won't have the right to discredit this project on the lists soon, too. I watched this thing some time now, and they way you act, doesn't leave no alternative for me, than to stand up and try to stop this. Frank |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Milosch
::
Rate this Message:
By the way, I found where your messages were being moderated, which is
why the older messages are now showing up. Same for Jose.
jaytraxx wrote: Hi Lutz, Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: -- Miles Lott http://bandmix.com/milosch/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh)
::
Rate this Message:
ok, thanks. so i can now post on the core list?
Regards Lutz irrsinn.de gmbh Im Dorfe 38 99489 Hottelstedt Fon: 036452/18954 Fax: 036452/18956 eMail: info@... Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com Wir beseitigen E-Müll: http://www.defendix.net Am 06.02.2008 um 15:34 schrieb Miles Lott:
------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Milosch
::
Rate this Message:
Lars Kneschke wrote:
If you don't have the time to care of our project, then please step back.The amount of time we each have for the project is not the issue. Sometimes you can really do too much, and I think that is evident. Also, not everyone gets paid to work on egroupware, and our opinion is just as valid as those who do. Think again about my perspective. People are going to offend one another at times. Since neither of the other two admins were there, we cannot verify what happened.Ralf asked if someone will object if he adds Nigel to our project. Cornelius and me objected as Nigel massively offended us and still did not apologize for his actions. Ralf simply ignored our opinion. And you too. Just because we do not agree with you does not mean that we are not acting with consideration to all project members. As I said before, there is nothing about this issue that is affecting your ability to work within the project. It will be considered on our schedule and not on yours. It is not possible for that to occur now, so you will have to be patient. By the way, it was known that Ralf would be going on vacation soon after the activities of December 2007.As long as the admins don't listen to the developers as the ultimate instance in our project, the constitution can be dropped into the trashcan. If the admins don't take care of the constitution, why should I? Why should I accept these admins anymore? I don't need admins which don't care of my interests, but only care about there own interests. As admin it is your job to find a solution all projectmembers can live with. But you even did't try to do this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lars Kneschke-2
::
Rate this Message:
"Miles Lott" <milos@...> schrieb:
Lars Kneschke wrote:I don't think that ignoring the problems is the right way.If you don't have the time to care of our project, then please step back.The amount of time we each have for the project is not the issue. Sometimes you can really do too much, and I think that is evident. Also, not everyone gets paid to work on egroupware, and our opinion is just as valid as those who do. Think again about my perspective. It's totally unimportant if you can verify it or not. Of course you can not. We stated that we don't want to have Nigel in the project and Ralf simply ignored it. Either the admins respect the opinions of the current project members or not. If you ignore our opinions, then we don't need any admins.People are going to offend one another at times. Since neither of the other two admins were there, we cannot verify what happened.Ralf asked if someone will object if he adds Nigel to our project. Cornelius And why did Nigel to become a project member? He can send his patches to Ralf or to his employe. He never commited any patch so far. There was absolutly no need to make him a project member, other then to offend us. Now you have destroyed any faith in you. It was your decission to solve one problem after the other. We could have solve this problem in December. We could also solve this problem now, as the facts are very clear.Just because we do not agree with you does not mean that we are not acting with consideration to all project members. As I said before, there is nothing about this issue that is affecting your ability to work within the project. It will be considered on our schedule and not on yours. It is not possible for that to occur now, so you will have to be patient. By the way, it was known that Ralf would be going on vacation soon after the activities of December 2007.As long as the admins don't listen to the developers as the ultimate But it's ok. Hopefully you(the admins) will at least be able to prepare a list of the current project members with voting rights. It's time so elect new admins, who really take care for the project. Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by ralfbecker
::
Rate this Message:
Hi Lars,
I have NOT just ignored your and Connys opinion! I weighted your concerns against the ones of the project, needing new developers to help maintain and develop the existing code. I explained my reasons for the decision. You cited the constitution that the ultimate instance in the project are the project members. In my understanding that does not mean an admin has to do whatever a project member asks for. He has to follow (what he thinks) the majority of the members want and of cause the constitution. For me this again boils down to: you and Conny have your idea how to further develop the project (the complete rewrite you do with Tine). Others (including me) have a different opinion. I dont think an admin election makes any sense, before the decision which direction the project as a whole wants to go! Let's say the vote makes you and Conny two of the three admins and one month later the majority decides not to use Tine as new eGW version in future. Or the opposite the admins stay as they are and the majority decides to use Tine. It was you who wanted to wait with the vote "should Tine be the new eGW version" 'til you are further with your "prove of concept". You stated in December it will be in the first quarter of 2008. If you think you are ready, just state so and we are going to vote on it. After that vote we might want to have also an admin election, but shortly before it makes absolutely no sense to me. Ralf -- Ralf Becker eGroupWare Training & Support ==> http://www.egroupware-support.de Outdoor Unlimited Training GmbH [www.outdoor-training.de] Handelsregister HRB Kaiserslautern 3587 Geschäftsführer Birgit und Ralf Becker Leibnizstr. 17, 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany Telefon +49 (0)631 31657-0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lars Kneschke-2
::
Rate this Message:
"Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
> I weighted your concerns against the ones of the project, needing new > developers to help maintain and develop the existing code. I explained > my reasons for the decision. I don't see the benefit for the project when one developer which does not write any code gets added to the project and at least 2 longtime core developers are leaving the project. > You cited the constitution that the ultimate instance in the project are > the project members. In my understanding that does not mean an admin has > to do whatever a project member asks for. He has to follow (what he > thinks) the majority of the members want and of cause the constitution. What ever it means. Currently you are not acting for the project, but only for your self. From my point of view the project did not improve, since you added Nigel to the project. Since you added Nigel to the project, the project is in big trouble. > For me this again boils down to: you and Conny have your idea how to > further develop the project (the complete rewrite you do with Tine). > Others (including me) have a different opinion. I don't think an admin > election makes any sense, before the decision which direction the > project as a whole wants to go! The project needs admins which care for the project. Currently we have no admins. Decissions take over 2 months. > Let's say the vote makes you and Conny two of the three admins and one > month later the majority decides not to use Tine as new eGW version in > future. Or the opposite the admins stay as they are and the majority > decides to use Tine. I don't think that we will get enough votes, if the developers are against our codebase. > It was you who wanted to wait with the vote "should Tine be the new eGW > version" 'til you are further with your "prove of concept". You stated > in December it will be in the first quarter of 2008. If you think you > are ready, just state so and we are going to vote on it. After that vote > we might want to have also an admin election, but shortly before it > makes absolutely no sense to me. We are not yet ready. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by jaytraxx
::
Rate this Message:
Hi Milosch,
The problem with moderated messages is, you already mentioned it, that it sometimes takes weeks till the messages gets accepted. So, my wish would be to get posting rights without moderation, if that's ok. Bye Christian
|
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by jaytraxx
::
Rate this Message:
Hi again,
just recognized that all is working well now. I can post to the core list without moderation. Thx Christian
|
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh)
::
Rate this Message:
Should be great I could do also - thx
"jaytraxx" <christian@...> schrieb: > > Hi again, > > just recognized that all is working well now. I can post to the core list > without moderation. > > Thx > Christian > > > Milosch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> By the way, I found where your messages were being moderated, which is >> why the older messages are now showing up. Same for Jose. >> >> jaytraxx wrote: >> >> Hi Lutz, >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >> >> Very intersting how you are acting here Lars! >> First you took a long deep sleep and now everything is not fast >> enough.... >> >> >> >> >> Conny and Lars are definitely acting on tine20 at the moment (I think you >> know that), so they do not sleep. >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >> >> I think some others here have problems to respect you as project >> member nor as admin! >> >> >> >> >> I don't ! >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >> >> So cool down. >> >> >> >> >> tine20 IS cool, and so are the authors :-) >> >> So far, now my 2cents: >> --- >> This post started a *bit* aggressive, but I also think that eGroupware at >> the moment suffers from a lack of man-power: >> - from the admin side AND from the developers side >> >> So, I think it's a good attempt from Lars to change that. >> -- END of my2cents >> >> Bye >> Christian >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >> >> >> irrsinn.de gmbh >> Im Dorfe 38 >> 99489 Hottelstedt >> >> Fon: 036452/18954 >> Fax: 036452/18956 >> >> http://www.irrsinn.de >> eMail: info@... >> >> Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 >> Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg >> >> IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop >> 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com >> Wir beseitigen E-Müll: http://www.defendix.net >> >> Am 01.02.2008 um 04:06 schrieb Lars Kneschke: >> >> >> >> Hello admins! >> >> Do you still care for the project? >> >> We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. >> We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. >> Miles is vannished completly. >> >> If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, >> please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can >> carry on and elect new admins. >> >> The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and >> you are required to solve these problems. >> >> I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do >> any work for the project anymore. >> Lars Kneschke >> CTO OfficeSpot.Net >> Metaways Infosystems GmbH >> Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg >> >> eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net >> OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net >> our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org >> >> E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... >> Web: http://www.metaways.de >> Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 >> Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 >> Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 >> >> Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel >> Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 >> Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> >> >> >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGroupWare-core@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGroupWare-core@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Miles Lott >> http://bandmix.com/milosch/ >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGroupWare-core@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > > Sent from the egroupware-core mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGroupWare-core@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core > -- ------------------------------------------ irrsinn.de gmbh Im Dorfe 38 99489 Hottelstedt Fon: 036452/18954 Fax: 036452/18956 http://www.irrsinn.de eMail: info@... Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com Wir beseitigen E-Müll: http://www.defendix.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lars Kneschke-2
::
Rate this Message:
"jaytraxx" <christian@...> schrieb:
> > Hi again, > > just recognized that all is working well now. I can post to the core list > without moderation. :-) -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by ralfbecker
::
Rate this Message:
Hi Lars,
Lars Kneschke schrieb: > "Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb: >> I weighted your concerns against the ones of the project, needing new >> developers to help maintain and develop the existing code. I explained >> my reasons for the decision. > I don't see the benefit for the project when one developer which does not > write any code gets added to the project and at least 2 longtime core > developers are leaving the project. You and Conny clearly stated, you both will not longer work on the eGroupWare codebase, as you work on Tine now. Nigel worked on the current FMail and is willing to continue that. I understand you both have a personal problem with Nigel, but as Miles already said, it's not stoping you to work on the project, as you work on Tine and Nigel on eGroupWare. >> You cited the constitution that the ultimate instance in the project are >> the project members. In my understanding that does not mean an admin has >> to do whatever a project member asks for. He has to follow (what he >> thinks) the majority of the members want and of cause the constitution. > What ever it means. Currently you are not acting for the project, but only > for your self. From my point of view the project did not improve, since you > added Nigel to the project. Since you added Nigel to the project, the > project is in big trouble. This is real way beyond you :-( Who do you think is going to believe this! I could say the same about you and Tine: since you started it, the project is in trouble ;-) >> For me this again boils down to: you and Conny have your idea how to >> further develop the project (the complete rewrite you do with Tine). >> Others (including me) have a different opinion. I don't think an admin >> election makes any sense, before the decision which direction the >> project as a whole wants to go! > The project needs admins which care for the project. Currently we have no > admins. Decissions take over 2 months. Dont confuse a decision you dont like, with no decision. >> Let's say the vote makes you and Conny two of the three admins and one >> month later the majority decides not to use Tine as new eGW version in >> future. Or the opposite the admins stay as they are and the majority >> decides to use Tine. > I don't think that we will get enough votes, if the developers are against > our codebase. > >> It was you who wanted to wait with the vote "should Tine be the new eGW >> version" 'til you are further with your "prove of concept". You stated >> in December it will be in the first quarter of 2008. If you think you >> are ready, just state so and we are going to vote on it. After that vote >> we might want to have also an admin election, but shortly before it >> makes absolutely no sense to me. > We are not yet ready. If you dont want to vote because you think you lose it or you are not ready, what do you want? Ralf -- Ralf Becker eGroupWare Training & Support ==> http://www.egroupware-support.de Outdoor Unlimited Training GmbH [www.outdoor-training.de] Handelsregister HRB Kaiserslautern 3587 Geschäftsführer Birgit und Ralf Becker Leibnizstr. 17, 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany Telefon +49 (0)631 31657-0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
|
|
Re: Has someone seen admins anywhere?
by Lars Kneschke-2
::
Rate this Message:
"Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
> Nigel worked on the current FMail and is willing to continue that. I > understand you both have a personal problem with Nigel, but as Miles > already said, it's not stoping you to work on the project, as you work > on Tine and Nigel on eGroupWare. First of all we are working on eGroupWare too. But that's not the point. Either we are a community are not. Either we try to work together or not. You know about our problems with Nigel and you still did add him to the project. How should we take care of you as part of our community, if you are not able to take care for us? How should we be able to work together? An Opensource project is not only about writing code. That's something I can do everywhere. Opensource is also something about a community. Some kind of social network. Of people working together, to reach a common goal. And from that point of view Nigel does not belong into our community. That's the point. >> The project needs admins which care for the project. Currently we have no >> admins. Decissions take over 2 months. > > Dont confuse a decision you dont like, with no decision. Maybe you missed to much emails? The Nigel issue was posted before you went on holiday. So far I have seen no admin statement regarding this issue. I also checked the website. There is nothing. >>> It was you who wanted to wait with the vote "should Tine be the new eGW >>> version" 'til you are further with your "prove of concept". You stated >>> in December it will be in the first quarter of 2008. If you think you >>> are ready, just state so and we are going to vote on it. After that vote >>> we might want to have also an admin election, but shortly before it >>> makes absolutely no sense to me. >> We are not yet ready. > > If you dont want to vote because you think you lose it or you are not > ready, what do you want? I want an admin statement who is currently a voting member of the eGroupWare project. I want to elect admins who take care for the project. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list eGroupWare-core@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
| < Prev | 1 - 2 | Next > |
| Free embeddable forum powered by Nabble | Forum Help |
