Nabble - Hercules390 - General

Re: Re: Hercules GUI API

2009-12-24T05:32:23Z

On Thursday 24 December 2009, Roger Bowler wrote:
> On Thursday, December 24, 2009 Robin Atwood wrote:
> > ERROR: external-gui currently only supported on Windows platforms
> > configure: error: Please correct the above error(s) and try again
> > Have you patched the configure script? I am using vanilla Hercules 3.06.
>
> I believe you will find that the latest svn source has removed this
> restriction.

I had a feeling that might be the case. :)

Cheers
-Robin
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Re: Re: Hercules GUI API

2009-12-24T04:30:01Z

On Thursday, December 24, 2009 Robin Atwood wrote:
> ERROR: external-gui currently only supported on Windows platforms
> configure: error: Please correct the above error(s) and try again
> Have you patched the configure script? I am using vanilla Hercules 3.06.

I believe you will find that the latest svn source has removed this
restriction.

--
Regards,
Roger Bowler
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rbowler
Hercules "I can't believe it's not a mainframe!"

Re: Re: Hercules GUI API

2009-12-24T03:36:07Z

On Thursday 24 December 2009, Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 December 2009, dekel35 wrote:
> > --- In hercules-390@..., Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@...>
wrote:

> > > Am I right in thinking that there is an API so that Hercules can be
> > > controlled by a GUI?
> >
> > There is no API per-se , but rather a "hack":
> >
> > If you start Hercules and give as the last parameter the magic word
> > EXTERNALGUI , it will send data to the GUI - by directing the log data
> > to stdout, and the devices/cpu status etc. to stderr.
> >
> > This is the mechanism used by Hercules Studio (the Linux GUI), and I
> > guess also by HercGui (The original Hercules GUI by Fish, which runs on
> > Windows).
>
> Thanks, I will check it out.

Compiling I get:

ERROR: external-gui currently only supported on Windows platforms
configure: error: Please correct the above error(s) and try again

Have you patched the configure script? I am using vanilla Hercules 3.06.

TIA
-Robin
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"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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Re: Re: Hercules GUI API

2009-12-24T02:52:25Z

On Wednesday 23 December 2009, dekel35 wrote:

> --- In hercules-390@..., Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@...> wrote:
> > Am I right in thinking that there is an API so that Hercules can be
> > controlled by a GUI?
>
> There is no API per-se , but rather a "hack":
>
> If you start Hercules and give as the last parameter the magic word
> EXTERNALGUI , it will send data to the GUI - by directing the log data to
> stdout, and the devices/cpu status etc. to stderr.
>
> This is the mechanism used by Hercules Studio (the Linux GUI), and I guess
> also by HercGui (The original Hercules GUI by Fish, which runs on
> Windows).

Thanks, I will check it out.

-Robin
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Robin Atwood.

"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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Re: Hercules GUI API

2009-12-23T08:00:56Z

--- In hercules-390@..., Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@...> wrote:
>
> Am I right in thinking that there is an API so that Hercules can be controlled
> by a GUI?

There is no API per-se , but rather a "hack":

If you start Hercules and give as the last parameter the magic word EXTERNALGUI , it will send data to the GUI - by directing the log data to stdout, and the devices/cpu status etc. to stderr.

This is the mechanism used by Hercules Studio (the Linux GUI), and I guess also by HercGui (The original Hercules GUI by Fish, which runs on Windows).

Regards,
Jacob (The author of Hercules Studio)
http://www.mvsdasd.org/hercstudio

Hercules GUI API

2009-12-23T07:38:58Z

Am I right in thinking that there is an API so that Hercules can be controlled
by a GUI? If so, where is it documented? Browsing the source I found hextapi.h
but it is not very informative. ;) Is there something more substantial?

TIA
-Robin
--
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Robin Atwood.

"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Re: And now, for something completely different

2009-12-21T11:20:58Z

2009-12-21 cja00017 <cja00017@...>:

> Now, finally, to the point. In that newsletter there appeared a parody of "The Night Before Christmas" whose author, content, or time of publication I cannot remember but which contained the following verse
>
> And what to my watering eyes did appear
> Was a trace table with formats unclear.
>
> and ended with
>
> Merry Christmas to all
> And to all an ABEND.
>
> I'd like to make a gift of this poem to my old boss. I have searched high and low for this but have not been able to find it. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

There are, of course, many parodies of The Night Before Christmas, but
I don't remember one with a mention of the 1130, or quite the wording
you mention. The closest I have, which I've seen versions of many
times over the years, is:

'Twas the Night Before Release Date......

'Twas the night before release date and all through the house,
not a program was working, not even in browse.
The Programmers hung by their cubes in despair,
with hopes that a miracle soon would occur.

The users were nestled all snug in their beds,
while visions of working code danced in their heads.
When out in the lobby there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my workstation to see what was the matter.

And what to my wondering eyes did appear,
but a "super programmer" with a six-pack of beer.
His resume glowed with experience so rare,
he turned out great code with a bit-pushers flair.

More rapid than eagles, his programs they came,
and he whistled and shouted and called them by name.
On Menu, On Report, On Procedures and Delete,
On Monitor, On Batch-jobs, On Functions Complete.

His eyes were glazed over, fingers nimble and lean,
from weekends and nights spent in front of a screen.
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
soon made it clear we had nothing to dread.

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
turning specs into code; then he turned with a jerk;
And laying his finger upon the <enter> key,
the software came up and worked perfectly.

The menues, they menued, the deletes they deleted,
the reports they reported, and the batch-jobs completed.
He tested each whistle, and tested each bell,
with nary a stack dump, and all had gone well.

The software was finished, the tests were concluded.
Our users' last minute reports were included.
Then the users exclaimed with a snarl and a taunt,
It's just what we asked for, but it's not what we want!!

> PS. I'm running MTS on Hercules on my MBP, and all I can say is wow, and thanks.

MTS? Where did you get an MTS to run? I understood it was around, but
not available to the unwashed masses.

Tony H.

RE: And now, for something completely different

2009-12-21T11:14:19Z

Sadly many of these computer songs are now lost. I found a few here:-

http://web.archive.org/web/20040826131249/www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/events/anniversar
ies/40th/webbook/songs/index.html

But that's missing the only 1130 song I new which went to the tune of
"Clouds"
I also remember that after all the line printer pictures had been purged to
save space a notice appears in the keyprep room as follows:-

"Due to an acute shortage of Reindeer Santa would not be directing an output
stream down the DPM's chimney"

Dave
G4UGM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hercules-390@...
> [mailto:hercules-390@...] On Behalf Of cja00017
> Sent: 21 December 2009 17:52
> To: hercules-390@...
> Subject: [hercules-390] And now, for something completely different
>
>
> I figured this would be a good mailing list on which to ask
> this question. Yes, I know this is a 360 group. Please bear with me.
>
> In the 1970's I was employed at a research lab which had an
> IBM 1130. (It was a fun machine, by the way, as its index
> registers were implemented in reserved memory locations, but
> it did have DMA, but I digress.) The was an IBM newsletter
> to which my boss subscribed; all I remember about it is that
> it had a light blue cover but otherwise was bound similarly
> to Usenix ;login, and contained lots of interesting hacks,
> most in 1130 ASM, many by Charles E Brown, if his fame has
> transcended the 1130 landscape.
>
> Now, finally, to the point. In that newsletter there
> appeared a parody of "The Night Before Christmas" whose
> author, content, or time of publication I cannot remember but
> which contained the following verse
>
> And what to my watering eyes did appear
> Was a trace table with formats unclear.
>
> and ended with
>
> Merry Christmas to all
> And to all an ABEND.
>
> I'd like to make a gift of this poem to my old boss. I have
> searched high and low for this but have not been able to find
> it. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Feel free to pass
> this around to other old guys like me.
>
> Any pointers welcome, and I'll share what I find.
>
> Thanks,
> Charles Antonelli
>
> PS. I'm running MTS on Hercules on my MBP, and all I can say
> is wow, and thanks.
>
>
>
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Re: Re: And now, for something completely different

2009-12-21T10:43:53Z

the only "team song" i've ever heard is:

(sung to "Baby Face")

Data Base
You've got the cutest little Data Base
with DL/I you can insert or replace
Data Base
we will drive you wild
WITH our logical child
Data Base
forward twin pointers all over da place
as you can clearly see
there's no redundancy
with our brand new Day Tah BASE Base base base
(repeat until you pass out)

merry xmas and happy NYE everyone
yvette hirth

Re: And now, for something completely different

2009-12-21T10:15:29Z

I remember that poem! I'll look around and see if I can find a copy of it.

Now for another lamer - Back in 1972 Penn State replaced a 360/67 with a 370/165. The day after the replacement was complete, someone posted a sign inside the computer center's elevator. It read:

"A 360/67 just died for your SYSIN's."

Not that's funny, in a computer geekish sort of way.

--- In hercules-390@..., "cja00017" <cja00017@...> wrote:

>
> I figured this would be a good mailing list on which to ask this question. Yes, I know this is a 360 group. Please bear with me.
>
> In the 1970's I was employed at a research lab which had an IBM 1130. (It was a fun machine, by the way, as its index registers were implemented in reserved memory locations, but it did have DMA, but I digress.) The was an IBM newsletter to which my boss subscribed; all I remember about it is that it had a light blue cover but otherwise was bound similarly to Usenix ;login, and contained lots of interesting hacks, most in 1130 ASM, many by Charles E Brown, if his fame has transcended the 1130 landscape.
>
> Now, finally, to the point. In that newsletter there appeared a parody of "The Night Before Christmas" whose author, content, or time of publication I cannot remember but which contained the following verse
>
> And what to my watering eyes did appear
> Was a trace table with formats unclear.
>
> and ended with
>
> Merry Christmas to all
> And to all an ABEND.
>
> I'd like to make a gift of this poem to my old boss. I have searched high and low for this but have not been able to find it. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Feel free to pass this around to other old guys like me.
>
> Any pointers welcome, and I'll share what I find.
>
> Thanks,
> Charles Antonelli
>
> PS. I'm running MTS on Hercules on my MBP, and all I can say is wow, and thanks.
>

And now, for something completely different

2009-12-21T09:51:45Z

I figured this would be a good mailing list on which to ask this question. Yes, I know this is a 360 group. Please bear with me.

In the 1970's I was employed at a research lab which had an IBM 1130. (It was a fun machine, by the way, as its index registers were implemented in reserved memory locations, but it did have DMA, but I digress.) The was an IBM newsletter to which my boss subscribed; all I remember about it is that it had a light blue cover but otherwise was bound similarly to Usenix ;login, and contained lots of interesting hacks, most in 1130 ASM, many by Charles E Brown, if his fame has transcended the 1130 landscape.

Now, finally, to the point. In that newsletter there appeared a parody of "The Night Before Christmas" whose author, content, or time of publication I cannot remember but which contained the following verse

And what to my watering eyes did appear
Was a trace table with formats unclear.

and ended with

Merry Christmas to all
And to all an ABEND.

I'd like to make a gift of this poem to my old boss. I have searched high and low for this but have not been able to find it. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Feel free to pass this around to other old guys like me.

Any pointers welcome, and I'll share what I find.

Thanks,
Charles Antonelli

PS. I'm running MTS on Hercules on my MBP, and all I can say is wow, and thanks.

And now, for something completely different

2009-12-21T09:47:37Z

Re: Hercules installed on D-LINK DNS-323

2009-12-21T09:35:27Z

Sounds a bit faster than an iPAQ http://www.hercules-390.org/hercfaq.html
with a lot more disk space.

Really, those processors are just designed to support file access, not
to do alot of actual work.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:15 AM, paoloG <crc@...> wrote:

> Hello,
> after much 'sweat and tears' (and some swears) I managed to install Hercules on D-LINK DNS-323.
> It is a little embedded NAS appliance, yet able to run Hercules (processor ARM9 at 500 Mhz, 64 MB of main storage, 2 disk bays).
> I could run older and newer versions of VM (the latters under the usual disaster recovery permission).
> It gives me the feelings and the performances that I had when in first years 80, as a young IBM SE, I installed VM/SP on new IBM 4341 - 4341/2 systems.
> It delivers 1.4 MIPS with a home made benchmark, and 0.77 MIPS using the MDBNCH (Molecular Modeling Fortran program), mostly based on floating point operations.
> With z/VM 5.3 Evaluation version it is somehow slow, but still working.
> I asked Santa Klaus the bigger brother of DNS-323, that's to say DNS-343 (4 disk bays, 128Mb and ARM9 750 Mhz)m and I'm trying to install Hercules on it.
> Unfortunately my ignorance in Linux is nearly as great as my competence in Windows, so I'm struggling and having some fun.
>
> Merry Christmas to everybody.
>
> Paul

--
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Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?

Hercules installed on D-LINK DNS-323

2009-12-21T09:15:54Z

Hello,
after much 'sweat and tears' (and some swears) I managed to install Hercules on D-LINK DNS-323.
It is a little embedded NAS appliance, yet able to run Hercules (processor ARM9 at 500 Mhz, 64 MB of main storage, 2 disk bays).
I could run older and newer versions of VM (the latters under the usual disaster recovery permission).
It gives me the feelings and the performances that I had when in first years 80, as a young IBM SE, I installed VM/SP on new IBM 4341 - 4341/2 systems.
It delivers 1.4 MIPS with a home made benchmark, and 0.77 MIPS using the MDBNCH (Molecular Modeling Fortran program), mostly based on floating point operations.
With z/VM 5.3 Evaluation version it is somehow slow, but still working.
I asked Santa Klaus the bigger brother of DNS-323, that's to say DNS-343 (4 disk bays, 128Mb and ARM9 750 Mhz)m and I'm trying to install Hercules on it.
Unfortunately my ignorance in Linux is nearly as great as my competence in Windows, so I'm struggling and having some fun.

Merry Christmas to everybody.

Paul

KICKS progress

2009-12-21T01:05:44Z

No KooKbooK recipe this week. What with Christmas and all I'm a little behind. I did make some progress on another priority, that being updating my KICKS website (http://home.gci.net/~mike-noel/KICKS). Main claim to fame (??) is 'live' KICKS sessions, click the tiny screen in the upper left to get there...

Also, starting to think the new version might be a week or two late. Code's working (see above!) but the doc is coming along a bit slower.

Merry Christmas!!!

Re: CTCI-W32 & ZoneAlarm V8

2009-12-20T13:19:23Z

Hello,

I was doing the setup for CTCI and things worked fine on my 2 desktops WindowsXP professionnal and WindowsXP Home Edition.

On my laptop, I always have the error:
** CFishPackApp::FishPackGetWinPCapInfo: ReadFile() failed; rc=23 (0x00000017):
My laptop is running WindowsXP media center with ZoneAlarm Pro 9.1.

Can you please send me your modified version.
I will try with that.

Thanks and Regards,

Michel Beaulieu

--- In hercules-390@..., Roy Hewitt <yahoo@...> wrote:

>
> (this one's probably for Fish)
>
> There's a thread over on H390-MVS, about CTCI-W32 not working. I've spent some time trying to get to
> the bottom of this (I've had the same problem aswell!) and it would appear that CTCI-W32 doesn't
> work with ZoneAlarm V8. It's not that ZA interferes with WinPcap, or the networking side of things
> as you might expect, but as I mentioned in the thread
>
> (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-MVS/message/9238)
>
> it relates to the .dat file used to pass info from FWPCutil.exe.
>
> The symptoms are TT32Test gets the following:
>
> 15:58:10.890 ** CFishPackApp::FishPackGetWinPCapInfo: ReadFile() failed; rc=23 (0x00000017):
>
> Now that I've managed to compile CTCI-W32 and can run in debug mode, I can see where it is going
> wrong. Originally from the Procmon output all I could see was a DELETE_PENDING for the CreateFile
> (in fact the Procmon shows 2 CreateFile for FWPC.. the 1st is SUCCESS and the 2nd is
> DELETE_PENDING!). But now from the debug I see that the WriteFile in FWPCutil gets a rc=6
> (INVALID_HANDLE), adding more trace futher back I see that the preceding CreateFile actually gets a
> rc=5 (ACCESS_DENIED).
>
> Now as running FWPCUtil standalone works fine, my assumption is that as both the Createfile in
> FishPack and the one in FWPCutil both specify CREATE_ALWAYS this is causing some contention. Why ZA
> changes this behaviour I've know idea. (Or perhaps it is related to some Microsoft fix that has
> changed CreateFile behaviour).
>
> However as the .dat file is created in the Fishpack routine prior to calling FWPCutil it would seem
> to me that FWPCutil only needs to specify OPEN_EXISTING (or have I missed something.. remember I'm
> just a mainframe guy!).
>
> Anyway I've now got it working by specifying OPEN_EXISTING and have tried it with ZA SecuritySuite
> 8.0.059 and 7.0.483 and it seems to work ok on both XP SP2 and SP3. I tested using TT32test on both
> systems, and used a full Hercules 3.05 setup on SP2.. will test with 3.06 later.
>
> If anyone else has similar problems then let me know and I can send you the package to try, but as
> it has been compiled with VS2008, you will need to install the VS2008 re-distribuitables.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Roy
>

RE: Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed(solved)

2009-12-19T14:04:30Z

Dear Paul-san and Fish-san,

Good morning.

Thank you for your information.

Hercules GUI is working fine.(Thank you verry much!)

My understanding is bellow.

1)Make empty file.(Ex. fish.txt)

2)Copy next sentence to fish.txt.

REGEDIT4
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Software Development Laboratories\Hercules\Settings]
"emulator.exe" ="hercules.exe"

3)Rename fish.txt to fish.reg.

4)Click fish.reg.

Best Regards,
Nishi.

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Fish <fish@...> wrote:

From: Fish <fish@...>
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed
To: hercules-390@...
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 8:39 AM

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nishikata tohru wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Good afternoon.
>
> I intalled Hercules GUI v1.11.1 under windows7 (64bit).
> Then I runned it,but it was failed. Runnig under dos prompt
> was success! So I intalled Prometheus.exe.
>
> But its problem was no changed.
>
> Could you please help me.
>
> With Best Regards,
> Nishi.

Hi Nishi!

Please see question #2:

http://www.softdevl abs.com/Hercules /hercgui- faq.html

To make things easier, here is a .reg file for you:

- ------------ --------- cut here ------------ ---------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_ USER\Software\ Software Development
Laboratories\ Hercules\ Settings]
"emulator.exe" ="hercules. exe"

- ------------ --------- cut here ------------ ---------

Copy the above statements into a notepad file and save it with a name ending
in ".reg". Then simply right-click on it and select "Merge".

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Re: "bug" in configure.ac

2009-12-19T10:35:49Z

--- In hercules-390@..., Ivan Warren <ivan@...> wrote:

>
> niels_horn wrote:
> >
> > It *should* work, as libdir has a default value of /usr/lib if nothing is specified.
> >
>
> I really need to know whether it has a default value of ${PREFIX}/lib !
>
> (guess I could try myself ! duh !)
>
> --Ivan
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

No problem, I checked it.

The default is defined in configure:

libdir='${exec_prefix}/lib',
where exec_prefix has the default of ${prefix},
where prefix has the default of /usr/local

So if nothing is defined, libdir becomes /usr/local/lib

Hope to have helped with this!

Niels

Re: Re: "bug" in configure.ac

2009-12-19T09:23:57Z

niels_horn wrote:
>
> It *should* work, as libdir has a default value of /usr/lib if nothing is specified.
>

I really need to know whether it has a default value of ${PREFIX}/lib !

(guess I could try myself ! duh !)

--Ivan

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Re: "bug" in configure.ac

2009-12-19T09:11:27Z

--- In hercules-390@..., Ivan Warren <ivan@...> wrote:

>
> niels_horn wrote:
> > -MODULESDIR="${DESTPREFIX}/lib/${PACKAGE}"
> > +MODULESDIR="${libdir}/${PACKAGE}"
>
> Will that still work if --libdir isn't specified ? (just asking..)
>
> (but I'm going to be looking into this - this looks like a fair choice)..
>
> --Ivan

It *should* work, as libdir has a default value of /usr/lib if nothing is specified.

Niels

RE: Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

2009-12-19T08:39:42Z

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nishikata tohru wrote:

Hi Nishi!

Please see question #2:

http://www.softdevlabs.com/Hercules/hercgui-faq.html

To make things easier, here is a .reg file for you:

- --------------------- cut here ---------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Software Development
Laboratories\Hercules\Settings]
"emulator.exe"="hercules.exe"

- --------------------- cut here ---------------------

Copy the above statements into a notepad file and save it with a name ending
in ".reg". Then simply right-click on it and select "Merge".

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Re: "bug" in configure.ac

2009-12-19T08:03:27Z

niels_horn wrote:
> -MODULESDIR="${DESTPREFIX}/lib/${PACKAGE}"
> +MODULESDIR="${libdir}/${PACKAGE}"

Will that still work if --libdir isn't specified ? (just asking..)

(but I'm going to be looking into this - this looks like a fair choice)..

--Ivan

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"bug" in configure.ac

2009-12-19T07:50:58Z

Hi,

I usually build Hercules on Linux from svn snapshots and noticed a few months ago that there is a small bug / inconsistency in the configure.ac file.
Let me explain...

On 64-bits systems it's common practice to use "--libdir=/usr/lib64" when running configure, to separate the 64-bits libraries from the 32-bits versions in /usr/lib

Using this option the libraries and Hercules modules are correctly installed in /usr/lib64/, but when running Hercules I get some errors:

...
HHCCF042E Device type 3505 not recognized
HHCCF042E Device type 1403 not recognized
...
etc...

The following line gives away the source of the problems:

...
HHCHD018I Loadable module directory is /usr/lib/hercules
...

I started digging and found that the following patch to configure.ac solves it:

--- hercules-svn_20091219.orig/configure.ac 2009-12-19 09:41:19.000000000 -0200
+++ hercules-svn_20091219/configure.ac 2009-12-19 13:09:24.000000000 -0200
@@ -1809,7 +1809,7 @@
fi
fi

-MODULESDIR="${DESTPREFIX}/lib/${PACKAGE}"
+MODULESDIR="${libdir}/${PACKAGE}"
PKGDATADIR="${DESTPREFIX}/share/${PACKAGE}"
HERC_LOCALEDIR="${DESTPREFIX}/share/locale"

After building based on this configure.ac, Hercules correctly loads the modules:

...
HHCHD018I Loadable module directory is /usr/lib64/hercules
...

Hope this is of any help to others who tried to compile Hercules on 64-bits Linux systems.

Regards,

Niels Horn

Re: Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

2009-12-19T07:31:10Z

A few months ago I had the same problem.

I simply renamed Hercules.exe (64 bit version) into Prometheus.exe, and everything worked fine (without registers modify and others strange things..;-).

Regards.

Paul

--- In hercules-390@..., "Peter Glanzmann" <peter.glanzmann@...> wrote:

>
> I had the same problem. Fish pointed me to his FAQ:
>
> http://www.softdevlabs.com/Hercules/hercgui-faq.html
>
> See Pt. 2, under the title "If the dialog instead mentions that it can't
> find "Prometheus.exe":"
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
> Behalf Of nishikata tohru
> Sent: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 08:29
> To: hercules-390@...
> Subject: [hercules-390] Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed
>
> Dear All,
>
> Good afternoon.
>
> I intalled Hercules GUI v1.11.1 under windows7 (64bit).
> Then I runned it,but it was failed. Runnig under dos prompt was success!
> So I intalled Prometheus.exe.
>
> But its problem was no changed.
>
> Could you please help me.
>
> With Best Regards,
> Nishi.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------
> If the dialog instead mentions that it can't find "Prometheus.exe":
>
>
>
> then that simply means you're running an older version of HercGUI64.exe (an
> earlier experimental 64-bit version of HercGUI) which was originally
> designed to run a custom 64-bit version of Hercules called "Prometheus.exe".
>
> "Prometheus.exe" doesn't actually exist anywhere. It was going to be the
> name of my custom 64-bit version of Hercules for Windows but it never
> materialized. (I may still some day finish it, but don't hold your breath.)
> To workaround the issue either install the latest version of HercGUI that
> has this issue fixed (version 1.12 or greater), or, if such a version does
> not yet exist (Note: version 1.12 has not been released yet at the time I'm
> writing this), simply add a new String value to the
>
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USERS\Software\Software Development
> Laboratories\Hercules\Settings
> branch of the registry called "emulator.exe" and set its value to
> "hercules.exe" instead.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

2009-12-19T03:19:21Z

--- In hercules-390@..., nishikata tohru <nishikata_tohru@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Paul-san and Peter-san,

That's the first time I've been called that! :-)
I've seen "The Karate Kid" so I know sufficient
Japanese to guess what it means. :-)

> Â After this,Â I typed "regedit" under dos window.
> Â
> Â But I did not understand what name(ex."CmdTaregetDir" or "IPL" e.t.c) have to change.
> Â
> Â And I looked for "emulator.exe",but I do not found it.

Note that I don't actually run Hercgui myself, much
less had the same problem as you, so I'm just making
this up as I go along.

You seem to have found the right section, with "IPL" etc.
Now (and this may seem strange and I may be wrong)
you need to ADD (not change) an entry called
"emulator.exe" and then set its value to "hercules.exe".

> Â Could you talk me regarding name of registry.
> Â
> p.s Yes I am hercules user in Japan,I runned tunkey 3.8.

Cool. That's the first time I've seen someone from
Japan posting here. I hope you stay an active
Hercules user and continue posting.

Do you know why there are so few Japanese posters
here? Do you have special Japanese-language
Hercules forums instead? Or is there just fewer
hobbyists in Japan for some reason? E.g. we have
several posters from UK which is a smaller
population than Japan.

This is not just true of Hercules but most
international forums. Very rare to see any Japanese
people and I always wonder whether you have better
forums or run different software or are running
Fujitsu's MSP instead or what. I realise English
isn't your mother tongue, but we do see a number
of Germans and other Europeans who turn up. We
sometimes even have people posting in Spanish in
the group, and non-Spanish speakers even made the
effort to use google translate to try to answer
their question! And even translated the answer
back to Spanish! (It would have been much simpler
if the Spanish person had done that translation
himself though). But the point is that even
computer-generated English is sufficient to
participate, nevermind the many people who have
learnt English formally!

I hope you don't mind me asking.

BFN. Paul.

> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Peter Glanzmann <peter.glanzmann@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Peter Glanzmann <peter.glanzmann@...>
> Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed
> To: hercules-390@...
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 1:41 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> I had the same problem. Fish pointed me to his FAQ:
>
> http://www.softdevl abs.com/Hercules /hercgui- faq.html
>
> See Pt. 2, under the title "If the dialog instead mentions that it can't
> find "Prometheus. exe":"
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hercules-390@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hercules-390@ yahoogroups. com] On
> Behalf Of nishikata tohru
> Sent: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 08:29
> To: hercules-390@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [hercules-390] Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed
>
> Dear All,
> Â
> Â Good afternoon.
> Â
> Â I intalled Hercules GUI v1.11.1 under windows7 (64bit).
> Â Then I runned it,but it was failed. Runnig under dos prompt was success!
> Â So I intalled Prometheus.exe.
> Â
> Â But its problem was no changed.
> Â
> Â Could you please help me.
> Â
> With Best Regards,
> Nishi.Â
> Â
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------
> If the dialog instead mentions that it can't find "Prometheus. exe":
>
> then that simply means you're running an older version of HercGUI64.exe (an
> earlier experimental 64-bit version of HercGUI) which was originally
> designed to run a custom 64-bit version of Hercules called "Prometheus. exe".
>
> "Prometheus. exe" doesn't actually exist anywhere. It was going to be the
> name of my custom 64-bit version of Hercules for Windows but it never
> materialized. (I may still some day finish it, but don't hold your breath.)
> To workaround the issue either install the latest version of HercGUI that
> has this issue fixed (version 1.12 or greater), or, if such a version does
> not yet exist (Note: version 1.12 has not been released yet at the time I'm
> writing this), simply add a new String value to the
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_ USERS\Software\ Software Development
> Laboratories\ Hercules\ Settings
> branch of the registry called "emulator.exe" and set its value to
> "hercules.exe" instead.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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RE: Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

2009-12-19T02:05:24Z

Hello Paul-san and Peter-san,

Thank you for your quick reply.

I uninstalled Prometheus.

After this, I typed "regedit" under dos window.

But I did not understand what name(ex."CmdTaregetDir" or "IPL" e.t.c) have to change.

And I looked for "emulator.exe",but I do not found it.

Could you talk me regarding name of registry.

p.s Yes I am hercules user in Japan,I runned tunkey 3.8.

Kind Regards,
Nishi.

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Peter Glanzmann <peter.glanzmann@...> wrote:

From: Peter Glanzmann <peter.glanzmann@...>
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed
To: hercules-390@...
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 1:41 AM

I had the same problem. Fish pointed me to his FAQ:

http://www.softdevl abs.com/Hercules /hercgui- faq.html

See Pt. 2, under the title "If the dialog instead mentions that it can't
find "Prometheus. exe":"

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: hercules-390@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hercules-390@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of nishikata tohru
Sent: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 08:29
To: hercules-390@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [hercules-390] Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

Dear All,

Good afternoon.

I intalled Hercules GUI v1.11.1 under windows7 (64bit).
Then I runned it,but it was failed. Runnig under dos prompt was success!
So I intalled Prometheus.exe.

But its problem was no changed.

Could you please help me.

With Best Regards,
Nishi.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------
If the dialog instead mentions that it can't find "Prometheus. exe":

then that simply means you're running an older version of HercGUI64.exe (an
earlier experimental 64-bit version of HercGUI) which was originally
designed to run a custom 64-bit version of Hercules called "Prometheus. exe".

"Prometheus. exe" doesn't actually exist anywhere. It was going to be the
name of my custom 64-bit version of Hercules for Windows but it never
materialized. (I may still some day finish it, but don't hold your breath.)
To workaround the issue either install the latest version of HercGUI that
has this issue fixed (version 1.12 or greater), or, if such a version does
not yet exist (Note: version 1.12 has not been released yet at the time I'm
writing this), simply add a new String value to the

HKEY_CURRENT_ USERS\Software\ Software Development
Laboratories\ Hercules\ Settings
branch of the registry called "emulator.exe" and set its value to
"hercules.exe" instead.

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RE: Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

2009-12-19T01:41:22Z

I had the same problem. Fish pointed me to his FAQ:

http://www.softdevlabs.com/Hercules/hercgui-faq.html

See Pt. 2, under the title "If the dialog instead mentions that it can't
find "Prometheus.exe":"

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...] On
Behalf Of nishikata tohru
Sent: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 08:29
To: hercules-390@...
Subject: [hercules-390] Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

Dear All,

Good afternoon.

I intalled Hercules GUI v1.11.1 under windows7 (64bit).
Then I runned it,but it was failed. Runnig under dos prompt was success!
So I intalled Prometheus.exe.

But its problem was no changed.

Could you please help me.

With Best Regards,
Nishi.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------
If the dialog instead mentions that it can't find "Prometheus.exe":

then that simply means you're running an older version of HercGUI64.exe (an
earlier experimental 64-bit version of HercGUI) which was originally
designed to run a custom 64-bit version of Hercules called "Prometheus.exe".

"Prometheus.exe" doesn't actually exist anywhere. It was going to be the
name of my custom 64-bit version of Hercules for Windows but it never
materialized. (I may still some day finish it, but don't hold your breath.)
To workaround the issue either install the latest version of HercGUI that
has this issue fixed (version 1.12 or greater), or, if such a version does
not yet exist (Note: version 1.12 has not been released yet at the time I'm
writing this), simply add a new String value to the

HKEY_CURRENT_USERS\Software\Software Development
Laboratories\Hercules\Settings
branch of the registry called "emulator.exe" and set its value to
"hercules.exe" instead.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

2009-12-19T01:35:30Z

--- In hercules-390@..., nishikata tohru <nishikata_tohru@...> wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>
> Good afternoon.
>
> I intalled Hercules GUI v1.11.1 under windows7 (64bit).
> Then I runned it,but it was failed. Runnig under dos prompt was success!
> So I intalled Prometheus.exe.
>
> But its problem was no changed.
>
> Could you please help me.

Fish's advice that you quoted below is:

1. Do NOT install Prometheus.

2. DO add a line to the registry.

Seems you did the opposite of both these things. It
is *probably harmless* that you installed something
called Prometheus. But it won't work the way you
want until you add that registry variable.

BTW, are you a Hercules user in Japan?

BFN. Paul.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If the dialog instead mentions that it can't find "Prometheus.exe":
>
>
>
> then that simply means you're running an older version of HercGUI64.exe (an earlier experimental 64-bit version of HercGUI) which was originally designed to run a custom 64-bit version of Hercules called "Prometheus.exe".
> "Prometheus.exe" doesn't actually exist anywhere. It was going to be the name of my custom 64-bit version of Hercules for Windows but it never materialized. (I may still some day finish it, but don't hold your breath.)
> To workaround the issue either install the latest version of HercGUI that has this issue fixed (version 1.12 or greater), or, if such a version does not yet exist (Note: version 1.12 has not been released yet at the time I'm writing this), simply add a new String value to the
>
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USERS\Software\Software Development Laboratories\Hercules\Settings
> branch of the registry called "emulator.exe" and set its value to "hercules.exe" instead.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hercules GUI under 64bit windows7 was failed

2009-12-18T23:28:52Z

Dear All,

Good afternoon.

I intalled Hercules GUI v1.11.1 under windows7 (64bit).
Then I runned it,but it was failed. Runnig under dos prompt was success!
So I intalled Prometheus.exe.

But its problem was no changed.

Could you please help me.

With Best Regards,
Nishi.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If the dialog instead mentions that it can't find "Prometheus.exe":

then that simply means you're running an older version of HercGUI64.exe (an earlier experimental 64-bit version of HercGUI) which was originally designed to run a custom 64-bit version of Hercules called "Prometheus.exe".
"Prometheus.exe" doesn't actually exist anywhere. It was going to be the name of my custom 64-bit version of Hercules for Windows but it never materialized. (I may still some day finish it, but don't hold your breath.)
To workaround the issue either install the latest version of HercGUI that has this issue fixed (version 1.12 or greater), or, if such a version does not yet exist (Note: version 1.12 has not been released yet at the time I'm writing this), simply add a new String value to the

HKEY_CURRENT_USERS\Software\Software Development Laboratories\Hercules\Settings
branch of the registry called "emulator.exe" and set its value to "hercules.exe" instead.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

CSMP was Re: WYLBUR, ORVYL (MILTEN and friends).

2009-12-18T08:40:26Z

Hello, Dave.

Oops! In good old days I was taught: 'to teach - taught - taught'...
but I'm afraid I forgot it ;-)
I found other two mistakes in my sentence: 'perhap' instead of 'perhaps' (owed to fast typing) and 'two peoples' instead of 'two people'.. I should study harder.. in next Holydays!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Paul

--- In hercules-390@..., Dave Jones <dave@...> wrote:

>
> Hello, Paul.
>
> "I'm not very good in English....".....that's really funny, LOL. Your
> written English is better than what 95% of Americans could produce. :-)
>
> And you are correct the English language rule is that between two
> things, use "younger" and with more than two, use "the youngest...."
>
> BTW, you were "taught" and not "teached".
>
> Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, too.
>
> DJ
> On 12/18/2009 04:32 AM, paoloG wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In hercules-390@..., "Gregg C
> > Levine"<hansolofalcon@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello! Well I must be the younger individual in this gathering.
> >
> > Perhap a little OT. I'm not very good in English, but I remember that
> > in the old days I was teached that 'younger' is between 2 peoples,
> > while you should say 'the youngest in this gathering'. As languages
> > are always getting modified, I wonder if that rule I learned (alas)
> > many years ago is still true.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dave Jones
> V/Soft
> www.vsoft-software.com
> Houston, TX
> 281.578.7544
>

Re: CSMP was Re: WYLBUR, ORVYL (MILTEN and friends).

2009-12-18T05:52:06Z

Hello, Paul.

"I'm not very good in English....".....that's really funny, LOL. Your
written English is better than what 95% of Americans could produce. :-)

And you are correct the English language rule is that between two
things, use "younger" and with more than two, use "the youngest...."

BTW, you were "taught" and not "teached".

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, too.

DJ
On 12/18/2009 04:32 AM, paoloG wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In hercules-390@..., "Gregg C
> Levine"<hansolofalcon@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello! Well I must be the younger individual in this gathering.
>
> Perhap a little OT. I'm not very good in English, but I remember that
> in the old days I was teached that 'younger' is between 2 peoples,
> while you should say 'the youngest in this gathering'. As languages
> are always getting modified, I wonder if that rule I learned (alas)
> many years ago is still true.
>
> Regards.
>
> Paul
>
>

--
Dave Jones
V/Soft
www.vsoft-software.com
Houston, TX
281.578.7544

CSMP was Re: WYLBUR, ORVYL (MILTEN and friends).

2009-12-18T02:32:25Z

--- In hercules-390@..., "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@...> wrote:
>
> Hello!
> Well I must be the younger individual in this gathering.

Perhap a little OT.
I'm not very good in English, but I remember that in the old days I was teached that 'younger' is between 2 peoples, while you should say 'the youngest in this gathering'.
As languages are always getting modified, I wonder if that rule I learned (alas) many years ago is still true.

Regards.

Paul

RE: CSMP was Re: WYLBUR, ORVYL (MILTEN and friends).

2009-12-17T16:57:25Z

Hello!
Well I must be the younger individual in this gathering. Because my only
connections to an 1130 are that my father learned how to program one of them
while attending a school on the usual things for his union. He's a retired
typographer.

It's because of that line of reasoning that I became a computer programmer
and electronics technician, instead of becoming one of them. (The market
imploded for it, about the time I started school in general.)

For example everyone here is aware of the magnetic core storage backed
typewriter correct? That fellow was targeted towards the typography market.

And Dave I am also aware of the CSMP product with regards to my interest in
the aerospace field.
--
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hercules-390@... [mailto:hercules-390@...]
On
> Behalf Of Dave Wade
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:42 PM
> To: hercules-390@...
> Subject: RE: [hercules-390] CSMP was Re: WYLBUR, ORVYL (MILTEN and
friends).

>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hercules-390@...
> > [mailto:hercules-390@...] On Behalf Of yvette hirth
> > Sent: 16 December 2009 18:20
> > To: hercules-390@...
> > Subject: Re: [hercules-390] CSMP was Re: WYLBUR, ORVYL
> > (MILTEN and friends).
> >
> >
> > g4ugm wrote:
> >
> > > ... but as far as I can tell its almost the same as the
> > original 1130
> > > version. If any one is interested I can post it to the
> > files section..
> >
> > hi, 'scuse me, but ... "1130"? as in IBM 1130?
> >
>
> Was there any other 1130...
>
> > i actually started on an 1130 in 1967, with a whopping ~8K of
> > real core
> > memory (with the three wires per core et al).
> >
> > who knew that stuff would survive this long!
> >
>
> Try http://ibm1130.org/ for more nostalgia
>
> > thanks for the memories. guess i'm showing my age!
> >
>
> No more than any one else on this list...
>
> > yvette hirth
>
> Dave Wade
> G4UGM