tag:old.nabble.com,2006:forum-910
Nabble - Hercules390
2009-11-25T14:25:39Z
Hercules is an open source software implementation of the mainframe System/370 and ESA/390 architectures, in addition to the new 64-bit z/Architecture. Hercules runs under Linux, Windows 98, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Mac OS X 10.2 and later. Hercules390 home is <a href="http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26521358
Re: Re: Need help badly
2009-11-25T14:25:39Z
2009-11-25T14:25:39Z
Dave McGuire
On Nov 25, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Gregg C Levine wrote:
<br>> Remember there was also the R390 a big fellow who was a P390 installed
<br>> inside a RS6000 based system.
<br><br> Sometimes not so big...I'm running a P390 card in the R390
<br>configuration, installed in a tiny-but-quick RS/6000 model 397. I've
<br>also just gotten ahold of an H70 and hope to run a PCI P390 card in
<br>it. That's a much bigger box...can barely move it by myself.
<br><br> I'm primarily a UNIX guy, so supporting P390 cards with AIX is
<br>much more comfortable for me than OS/2. If it were documented a bit
<br>better I'd write Solaris drivers!
<br><br> -Dave
<br> ...back to lurking now :)
<br><br>--
<br>Dave McGuire
<br>Port Charlotte, FL
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26521260
RE: Re: Need help badly
2009-11-25T14:19:18Z
2009-11-25T14:19:18Z
Gregg C Levine-2
Hello!
<br>For what I do and for that matter what I want to do, the ideas behind the
<br>zPDT are indeed meaningful. However PWD is still having a field day sorting
<br>out the ideas behind everything.
<br><br>I suppose sometime during the following year I shall be asking them again.
<br><br>However the later models and indeed the few final ones of the P390 families
<br>did get awfully close to the 18MIP range that Funsoft insisted they could
<br>surmount.
<br><br>Remember there was also the R390 a big fellow who was a P390 installed
<br>inside a RS6000 based system.
<br><br>Even though it is typical to separate those two, I typically lump them in
<br>together except when discussing certain functions that only one or the other
<br>will deliver.
<br><br>But when you consider the directions we are taking everything into in these
<br>lists, I suspect that IBM will take a closer look at us and not end up
<br>ignoring us.
<br><br>Besides Paul you are not boring me, it is fun to actually respond to these
<br>posts.
<br>--
<br>Gregg C Levine <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26521260&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hansolofalcon@...</a>
<br>"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
<br>
<br><br><br>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26521260&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a> [mailto:<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26521260&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>] On Behalf
<br>Of
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> paoloG
<br>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:42 PM
<br>> To: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26521260&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>
<br>> Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Need help badly
<br>>
<br>> --- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26521260&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>, joe.monk@... wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Couldn't you just use a zPDT?
<br>> >
<br>> > Joe
<br>>
<br>> Now I'm acting as Gregg's attorney (hoping to make me forgive for having
</div>bored him with
<br>> my posts).
<br>>
<br>> You can get zPDT *ONLY* if you're an IBM PWD certified member (and a ISV
<br>as well);
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> so if you read Gregg's post, you can deduce he *CANNOT*
<br>> use zPDT (neither can I :-(
<br>>
<br>> > -----Original Message-----
<br>> > From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@...>
<br>> > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:10:38
<br>> > Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Re: Need help badly
<br>> >
<br>> > Hello!
<br>> <snip>
<br>>
<br>> > As I never managed to convince or confuse PWD appropriately I never did
</div>obtain my kit,
<br>> I have only the reports to the basic Hercules list, and my own
<br>observations to back things
<br>> up on.
<br>> <snip >
<br>> > However when you consider what the Flex-Es system replaced, I am on the
<br>whole
<br>> seriously dispatched in favor of the original P/390 system.
<br>> > I am still of the opinion that IBM should seriously consider making them
<br>again, but the
<br>> big problem is what to install the P/390 cards into.
<br>> <snip>
<br>>
<br>> Gregg,
<br>> I too think P/390 was a very interesting system, but IMHO IBM has no
<br>interest in producing
<br>> it any more, when we can get greater performances with emulators (last
<br>version of P/390
<br>> was rated 7 MIPS, while with my humble Core 2 Duo system and Hercules I
<br>can get 60-70
<br>> MIPS).
<br>>
<br>> Regards.
<br>>
<br>> Paul
<br>> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
<br>> > "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26521028
Re: Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-25T14:01:36Z
2009-11-25T14:01:36Z
Harold Grovesteen-2
<br><br>laddiehanus wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26521028&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>>>laddiehanus wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>>[...]
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>>>I used the command
<br>>>>
<br>>>>makefile.bat DEBUG-X64 makefile.msvc 8
<br>>>>
<br>>>>to do the build.
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>Debug builds are not optimized and usually too slow for most work. If it
<br>>>works for you and provides acceptable performance, then fine. But it usually
<br>>>doesn't for more, um, "modern" operating systems.
<br>>>
<br>>>Therefore unless you plan to actually do some real honest to goodness
<br>>>Hercules development, I personally would strongly recommend using the
<br>>>command:
<br>>>
<br>>> makefile.bat RETAIL-X64 makefile.msvc 8
<br>>>
<br>>>instead (i.e. 'RETAIL' instead of 'DEBUG').
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>>Normally I would use retail but since I was testing if the build process worked I used debug in case there were problems.
<br>>
<br>>I havent built hercules much since the other 380 project went into hibernation anyway.
<br>>
</div>I am hoping this has not caused a problem for you. If so, my apologies.
<br><br>I did not intend for it to go into hibernation. At the time, the
<br>developers did not want to put the changes into the source tree just
<br>before 3.06 was to be released. So I waited (and a while after for the
<br>post release issues to settle down). That was about the time I got
<br>"sucked" into working on the OpenSolaris support. Well, here we are
<br>again, just before a major release. I will try to see what I can do
<br>about getting the I/O changes in after the next release. It has been
<br>imminent for a while now. Not sure what is going on with it. The other
<br>developers really want some burn in time for these I/O changes, just in
<br>case.
<br><br>There is also a compile option to back port some of the modern
<br>instructions into S/370. Sort of the opposite of the above changes,
<br>that forward port S/370 I/O into ESA/390 and z/Architecture. I also
<br>want to look at how we might enable these instructions without a local
<br>build.
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>>Laddie
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26520405
Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-25T13:14:36Z
2009-11-25T13:14:36Z
laddiehanus-2
<br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26520405&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
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<br>> laddiehanus wrote:
<br>>
<br>> [...]
<br>> > I used the command
<br>> >
<br>> > makefile.bat DEBUG-X64 makefile.msvc 8
<br>> >
<br>> > to do the build.
<br>>
<br>> Debug builds are not optimized and usually too slow for most work. If it
<br>> works for you and provides acceptable performance, then fine. But it usually
<br>> doesn't for more, um, "modern" operating systems.
<br>>
<br>> Therefore unless you plan to actually do some real honest to goodness
<br>> Hercules development, I personally would strongly recommend using the
<br>> command:
<br>>
<br>> makefile.bat RETAIL-X64 makefile.msvc 8
<br>>
<br>> instead (i.e. 'RETAIL' instead of 'DEBUG').
<br>>
</div><br>Normally I would use retail but since I was testing if the build process worked I used debug in case there were problems.
<br><br>I havent built hercules much since the other 380 project went into hibernation anyway.
<br><br>Laddie
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RE: Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-25T12:59:04Z
2009-11-25T12:59:04Z
fish-8
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<br><br>laddiehanus wrote:
<br><br>[...]
<br>> I used the command
<br>>
<br>> makefile.bat DEBUG-X64 makefile.msvc 8
<br>>
<br>> to do the build.
<br><br>Debug builds are not optimized and usually too slow for most work. If it
<br>works for you and provides acceptable performance, then fine. But it usually
<br>doesn't for more, um, "modern" operating systems.
<br><br>Therefore unless you plan to actually do some real honest to goodness
<br>Hercules development, I personally would strongly recommend using the
<br>command:
<br><br> makefile.bat RETAIL-X64 makefile.msvc 8
<br><br>instead (i.e. 'RETAIL' instead of 'DEBUG').
<br><br>- --
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Re: Need help badly
2009-11-25T11:42:28Z
2009-11-25T11:42:28Z
paoloG
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26519078&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>, joe.monk@... wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Couldn't you just use a zPDT?
<br>>
<br>> Joe
<br><br>Now I'm acting as Gregg's attorney (hoping to make me forgive for having bored him with my posts).
<br><br>You can get zPDT *ONLY* if you're an IBM PWD certified member (and a ISV as well); so if you read Gregg's post, you can deduce he *CANNOT*
<br>use zPDT (neither can I :-(
<br><br>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@...>
<br>> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:10:38
<br>> Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Re: Need help badly
<br>>
<br>> Hello!
<br><snip>
<br>
<br>> As I never managed to convince or confuse PWD appropriately I never did obtain my kit, I have only the reports to the basic Hercules list, and my own observations to back things up on.
<br><snip >
<br>> However when you consider what the Flex-Es system replaced, I am on the whole seriously dispatched in favor of the original P/390 system.
<br>> I am still of the opinion that IBM should seriously consider making them again, but the big problem is what to install the P/390 cards into.
<br><snip>
<br><br>Gregg,
<br>I too think P/390 was a very interesting system, but IMHO IBM has no interest in producing it any more, when we can get greater performances with emulators (last version of P/390 was rated 7 MIPS, while with my humble Core 2 Duo system and Hercules I can get 60-70 MIPS).
<br><br>Regards.
<br><br>Paul
<br>> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
<br>> "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26516808
Commands on Multi CPU machines
2009-11-25T09:18:16Z
2009-11-25T09:18:16Z
michealbutz2002
Hi
<br>I am wondering when entering commands
<br>such as B+ address-address on multi CPU
<br>machine do I have to qualify CPU n
<br>or without qualfications would Hercules break
<br>when any of the CPU encountered that address
<br>and then to step thru I would <enter>c
<br>CPU # followed by the <enter> key to step
<br>thru on the machine which the breakpoint was encountered
<br><br><br>Thanks
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26516507
Re: Re: Need help badly
2009-11-25T09:07:08Z
2009-11-25T09:07:08Z
Joe Monk
Couldn't you just use a zPDT?
<br><br>Joe
<br>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
<br><br>-----Original Message-----
<br>From: "Gregg C Levine" <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26516507&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hansolofalcon@...</a>>
<br>Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:10:38
<br>To: <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26516507&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>>
<br>Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Re: Need help badly
<br><br>Hello!
<br>No argument there Paul.
<br><br>However there were some interesting comments and complaints regarding the
<br>system originally supplied by PWD that it ran slowly as compared to say
<br>Hercules running via Cygwin on Windows98SE on a Dell Dimension XP at 600
<br>MHZ.
<br><br>Or even via Linux on the same box.
<br><br>As I never managed to convince or confuse PWD appropriately I never did
<br>obtain my kit, I have only the reports to the basic Hercules list, and my
<br>own observations to back things up on.
<br><br>However the big guy that Flex-Es did build and deliver did indeed provide a
<br>substantial measure of output for those firms (and colleges) who needed just
<br>about 18MIPS for their work and their budgets did barely cover either an
<br>actual system or even the actual one we are discussing.
<br><br>But you are correct at the bottom part of your statement.
<br><br>However when you consider what the Flex-Es system replaced, I am on the
<br>whole seriously dispatched in favor of the original P/390 system.
<br><br>I am still of the opinion that IBM should seriously consider making them
<br>again, but the big problem is what to install the P/390 cards into.
<br><br>I am currently deciding for or against this IBM system:
<br> "IBM eServer xSeries 335 Dual 2.66GHz Xeon 1U Server". I suspect the
<br>decision will be against it.
<br><br>But the purpose will be entirely for running Linux and of course Hercules,
<br>but primarily to host my business on.
<br>--
<br>Gregg C Levine <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26516507&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hansolofalcon@...</a>
<br>"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
<br>
<br><br><br>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26516507&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a> [mailto:<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26516507&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>] On Behalf
<br>Of
<br>> paoloG
<br>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:01 AM
<br>> To: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26516507&i=5" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>
<br>> Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Need help badly
<br><Space compressed!>
<br>>
<br>> --- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26516507&i=6" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>, "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@...>
<br>wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Hello!
<br>> > In this case regarding the late firm Funsoft, I meant the dunderhead who
<br>ran it, and was
<br>> persistently ragging on people who'd order the developer's kits from their
<br>PWD associates,
<br>> and it came with the appropriate at the time hardware. (I do not remember
<br>his name only his
<br>> annoying attitude which sadly is even worse then the one I could present
<br>to people when
<br>> necessary.)
<br>> >
<br>> > Unfortunately for them, and Funsoft, they would discover that the
<br>> developer's kit ran slowly on the appropriate hardware thus supplied. They
<br>would hear
<br>> about Hercules, and install it on a separate system, and then install
<br>those kits there. (By kits
<br>> I mean the ADCD disks and the very rare Demo PKG sets.) They'd find out
<br>that these kits
<br>> would run quite close to what they thought would happen on an
<br>appropriately matching big
<br>> iron.
<br>> >
<br>> Hi Gregg,
<br>>
<br>> perhaps I'm wrong, as I'm not in 'this business' from the very beginning,
<br>but AFAIK FLEX-
<br>> ES (the emulator sold by Funsoft), was
<br>> faster then Hercules.
<br>> FLEX-ES had another approach to emulate 379/390/z instructions: instead
<br>translating one
<br>> instruction a time it translated bunches of instructions and put them in a
<br>cache (not sure if in
<br>> native Intel format or in some intermediate format), and 'executed' the
<br>instructions in the
<br>> cache; I read somewhere that FLEX-ES was about 2x faster than Hercules.
<br>> IMHO people (and I myself) liked better Hercules because they hadn't to
<br>shell from 15,000
<br>> to over 50,000 bucks for every machine (with a 3 years duration of the
<br>dongle), but got the
<br>> emulator 'gratis et amore Dei' (in English at no cost).
<br>>
<br>> Regards.
<br>>
<br>> Paul
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26515471
RE: Re: Need help badly
2009-11-25T08:10:38Z
2009-11-25T08:10:38Z
Gregg C Levine-2
Hello!
<br>No argument there Paul.
<br><br>However there were some interesting comments and complaints regarding the
<br>system originally supplied by PWD that it ran slowly as compared to say
<br>Hercules running via Cygwin on Windows98SE on a Dell Dimension XP at 600
<br>MHZ.
<br><br>Or even via Linux on the same box.
<br><br>As I never managed to convince or confuse PWD appropriately I never did
<br>obtain my kit, I have only the reports to the basic Hercules list, and my
<br>own observations to back things up on.
<br><br>However the big guy that Flex-Es did build and deliver did indeed provide a
<br>substantial measure of output for those firms (and colleges) who needed just
<br>about 18MIPS for their work and their budgets did barely cover either an
<br>actual system or even the actual one we are discussing.
<br><br>But you are correct at the bottom part of your statement.
<br><br>However when you consider what the Flex-Es system replaced, I am on the
<br>whole seriously dispatched in favor of the original P/390 system.
<br><br>I am still of the opinion that IBM should seriously consider making them
<br>again, but the big problem is what to install the P/390 cards into.
<br><br>I am currently deciding for or against this IBM system:
<br> "IBM eServer xSeries 335 Dual 2.66GHz Xeon 1U Server". I suspect the
<br>decision will be against it.
<br><br>But the purpose will be entirely for running Linux and of course Hercules,
<br>but primarily to host my business on.
<br>--
<br>Gregg C Levine <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26515471&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hansolofalcon@...</a>
<br>"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
<br>
<br><br><br>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26515471&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a> [mailto:<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26515471&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>] On Behalf
<br>Of
<br>> paoloG
<br>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:01 AM
<br>> To: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26515471&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>
<br>> Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Need help badly
<br><Space compressed!>
<br>>
<br>> --- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26515471&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>, "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@...>
<br>wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Hello!
<br>> > In this case regarding the late firm Funsoft, I meant the dunderhead who
<br>ran it, and was
<br>> persistently ragging on people who'd order the developer's kits from their
<br>PWD associates,
<br>> and it came with the appropriate at the time hardware. (I do not remember
<br>his name only his
<br>> annoying attitude which sadly is even worse then the one I could present
<br>to people when
<br>> necessary.)
<br>> >
<br>> > Unfortunately for them, and Funsoft, they would discover that the
<br>> developer's kit ran slowly on the appropriate hardware thus supplied. They
<br>would hear
<br>> about Hercules, and install it on a separate system, and then install
<br>those kits there. (By kits
<br>> I mean the ADCD disks and the very rare Demo PKG sets.) They'd find out
<br>that these kits
<br>> would run quite close to what they thought would happen on an
<br>appropriately matching big
<br>> iron.
<br>> >
<br>> Hi Gregg,
<br>>
<br>> perhaps I'm wrong, as I'm not in 'this business' from the very beginning,
<br>but AFAIK FLEX-
<br>> ES (the emulator sold by Funsoft), was
<br>> faster then Hercules.
<br>> FLEX-ES had another approach to emulate 379/390/z instructions: instead
<br>translating one
<br>> instruction a time it translated bunches of instructions and put them in a
<br>cache (not sure if in
<br>> native Intel format or in some intermediate format), and 'executed' the
<br>instructions in the
<br>> cache; I read somewhere that FLEX-ES was about 2x faster than Hercules.
<br>> IMHO people (and I myself) liked better Hercules because they hadn't to
<br>shell from 15,000
<br>> to over 50,000 bucks for every machine (with a 3 years duration of the
<br>dongle), but got the
<br>> emulator 'gratis et amore Dei' (in English at no cost).
<br>>
<br>> Regards.
<br>>
<br>> Paul
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26510133
Re: Need help badly
2009-11-25T02:00:30Z
2009-11-25T02:00:30Z
paoloG
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26510133&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>, "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@...> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Hello!
<br>> In this case regarding the late firm Funsoft, I meant the dunderhead who ran it, and was persistently ragging on people who'd order the developer's kits from their PWD associates, and it came with the appropriate at the time hardware. (I do not remember his name only his annoying attitude which sadly is even worse then the one I could present to people when necessary.)
<br>>
<br>> Unfortunately for them, and Funsoft, they would discover that the
<br>developer's kit ran slowly on the appropriate hardware thus supplied. They would hear about Hercules, and install it on a separate system, and then install those kits there. (By kits I mean the ADCD disks and the very rare Demo PKG sets.) They'd find out that these kits would run quite close to what they thought would happen on an appropriately matching big iron.
<br>>
<br>Hi Gregg,
<br><br>perhaps I'm wrong, as I'm not in 'this business' from the very beginning, but AFAIK FLEX-ES (the emulator sold by Funsoft), was
<br>faster then Hercules.
<br>FLEX-ES had another approach to emulate 379/390/z instructions: instead translating one instruction a time it translated bunches of instructions and put them in a cache (not sure if in native Intel format or in some intermediate format), and 'executed' the instructions in the cache; I read somewhere that FLEX-ES was about 2x faster than Hercules.
<br>IMHO people (and I myself) liked better Hercules because they hadn't to shell from 15,000 to over 50,000 bucks for every machine (with a 3 years duration of the dongle), but got the emulator 'gratis et amore Dei' (in English at no cost).
<br><br>Regards.
<br><br>Paul
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26508271
Re: Dynamic Proclib How to install?
2009-11-24T22:51:51Z
2009-11-24T22:51:51Z
Gerhard Postpischil
W. P wrote:
<br>> that i can use Dynamic Proclib. So i Downloaded the Zip from the
<br>> Files Section but the Zip only contains an aws File and no jcl.
<br>> How can i install this?
<br>> Can anybody post the JCL?
<br><br>The aws contains three files in IEBCOPY unload format.
<br>The tape image is standard label, volume serial 000005. File 1
<br>has a DSN of DYNAMIC.PROCLIB, and is in card format
<br>(FB,80,3120). File 2 has a DSN of LPALIB.MODULES and is
<br>RECFM=U,BLKSIZE=19060).
<br><br>Use IEBCOPY to restore the first file, and look at the $$$DOC
<br>section. Your options are to copy the modules to SYS1.LPALIB, or
<br>to use SMP to install the changes, or do things manually. SMP is
<br>most convenient. The first file contains all the JCL you'll need.
<br><br><br>Gerhard Postpischil
<br>Bradford, VT
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26507383
RE: Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-24T20:24:29Z
2009-11-24T20:24:29Z
Steve And Grace Bovy
<br>Some one in the past has scolded me for top-posting, but that is the way my
<br>outlook mail is
<br>Configured to work. And since this thread is already top-posted, I guess I
<br>am safe :)
<br><br>Wow interesting results, so what was your mainsize.
<br><br>I would like to set up herc-64 on a windows server r2 core (hyper-v server)
<br>but I
<br>Do not want a big performace hit, because I will also be running other
<br>virtual machines.
<br><br>My server has 8 gb, but I would want to cap herc at about 2 gb and save the
<br>rest for
<br>Virtual machines :)
<br><br>Has anyone tried this on a core server ??
<br>Were there any problems or hicups installing winpcap on a core server ???
<br>
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<br>Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:34 AM
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<br>Subject: [hercules-390] Re: Hercwin64
<br><br><br>
<br><br>Hi Fish,
<br><br>I downloaded Hercules w66 snapshop 5505 yesterday and gave it a spin.
<br>Worked like a charm. I did a test IPL with the z/VM 5.3 Evaluation.
<br>As you said, there are some performance hits.
<br>- -
<br>Here are a few observations:
<br>Looking at the Windows Task Manager while doing IPL with 4 GB of RAM.
<br>Initially, I saw hercules acquiring all the pages until all the pages
<br>of the Windows Server (2008 R2) 2 GB were all depleted.
<br>The whole server went into a crawl (unresponsive state)
<br>for many minutes while the page file was very active.
<br>Then things start to behave better, Windows became responsive.
<br>The IPL of the OS completed and I was able to have a
<br>good response time given that this was a minimal z/VM.
<br>- -
<br>My next step is to work with Linux-390 OS, so any questions
<br>and comments related to that will move to another group.
<br>Do you have any Linux distribution to suggest?
<br>- -
<br>Let me know if you would like me to do tests of some kind
<br>with this version (snapshot 5505) of Hercules.
<br>- -
<br>Thanks for all you do for the Hercules community.
<br>This is great stuff! - Félicitations!
<br><br>Michel Beaulieu
<br>- -
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<br>, "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
<br>> Hash: SHA1
<br>>
<br>> beaulieumichel wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > Hello,
<br>> >
<br>> > I have a test Windows Server 2008 R2 64 bit (2GB RAM with
<br>> > large pagefile!), specially for that purpose.
<br>>
<br>> Even WITH a large pagefile, with only 2GB of RAM you will likely suffer
<br>> horrible performance if you try running Hercules with a MAINSIZE value
<br>> larger than about 1.25GB. This is because Windows itself needs 0.75-1.0GB
<br>> for itself, leaving you only 1.25-1.0GB for Hercules before Windows begins
<br>> paging.
<br>>
<br>> For larger MAINSIZE values you really should have *much* more RAM (4-8GB
</div>for
<br>> example). Then you could probably run Hercules with a MAINSIZE of 3-7GB
<br>with
<br>> acceptable performance.
<br>>
<br>> Keep in mind too, that what we're mostly interested in knowing is whether
<br>or
<br>> not Hercules works okay with MAINSIZE values greater than the 32-bit
<br>maximum
<br>> of 4GB. What we NEED is someone to test the Windows x64 version of
<br>Hercules
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> with a MAINSIZE value larger than 4GB (e.g. 5-8GB for example).
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> > My next step is to download the Visual C++ express 2008,
<br>> > then build Hercules and try this.
<br>> >
<br>> > I will let you know of my progress.
<br>>
<br>> PLEASE NOTE that you do NOT actually need to build Hercules for yourself
<br>> (unless you really WANT to of course!). Using any of the W64 snapshots
<br>> should be good enough:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/</a></div><<a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Just make sure you have the latest Microsoft VC++ redistributables
<br>installed
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<br>>
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26507256
Re: Snapshots broken?
2009-11-24T20:04:24Z
2009-11-24T20:04:24Z
laddiehanus-2
<br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26507256&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, Wayne Bickerdike <waynevb@...> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> I'm still getting this error, looks like the latest executable snapshot has
<br>> this problem:
<br>>
<br>> Hercules Version cvs-msvc-20091122
<br>> (c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
<br>> Built on Nov 22 2009 at 01:00:46
<br>> Build information:
<br>> Win32 (MSVC) build for i386
<br>> Modes: S/370 ESA/390 z/Arch
<br>> Max CPU Engines: 8
<br>> Using fthreads instead of pthreads
<br>> Dynamic loading support
<br>> Using shared libraries
<br>> HTTP Server support
<br>> No SIGABEND handler
<br>> Regular Expressions support
<br>> Automatic Operator support
<br>> Machine dependent assists: cmpxchg1 cmpxchg4 cmpxchg8 fetch_dw store_dw
<br>>
<br>> HHCSC001E Load from c:/dasd/ipl/ipla80.ins failed: Permission denied
<br>>
<br>> SCLPROOT shows a mismatch on the '/'. There is a forward and a backslash. I
<br>> think Roger Bowler identified this problem a few months back and it may have
<br>> been fixed but crept back in?
<br>>
<br>> sclproot
<br>> SCLPROOT C:\DASD\IPL/
<br>>
<br>> I'm running this on Windows Vista 32 bit.
<br>>
<br>>
</div><br>If you read the message you replied to you would have the answer to your question. Use the SVN link below instead of the CVS you show above.
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Roger Bowler <rogerbowler@...>wrote:
<br>>
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > On Sunday, July 26, 2009 Philipp Brenner wrote:
<br>> > > This build is also broken:
<br>> > >> <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapfiles/HERC20090724.ZIP" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapfiles/HERC20090724.ZIP</a><br>> > >> Hercules Version cvs-msvc-20090724
<br>> > >> (c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
<br>> > >> Built on Jul 24 2009 at 02:00:31
<br>> > > However that build works just fine (found via google):
<br>> > >
<br>> > <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/W32/W32-hercules-SVN-5433.zip" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/W32/W32-hercules-SVN-5433.zip</a><br>> > >> Hercules Version 3.0.6.5433
<br>> > >> (c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
<br>> > >> Built on Jul 24 2009 at 08:23:06
<br>> > > What's going on here?
<br>> >
<br>> > Since Hercules moved to svn some months ago, the cvs repository is no
<br>> > longer updated. Ivan's site is still generating nightly cvs snapshots
<br>> > but these are all out of date because they contain the code as it was
<br>> > just before the migration to svn.
<br>> >
<br>> > Until Ivan gets around to turning off the cvs snapshot generator and
<br>> > updating his website, you can use the following link to obtain the
<br>> > latest development versions of the source and binaries:
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots</a><br>> >
<br>> > and the following link to view the change logs:
<br>> > <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/</a><br>> >
<br>> > --
<br>> > Regards,
<br>> > Roger Bowler
<br>> > <a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rbowler" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rbowler</a><br>> > Hercules "I can't believe it's not a mainframe!"
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> Wayne V. Bickerdike
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
<br>>
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26507017
Re: Snapshots broken?
2009-11-24T19:24:13Z
2009-11-24T19:24:13Z
Wayne Bickerdike
I'm still getting this error, looks like the latest executable snapshot has
<br>this problem:
<br><br>Hercules Version cvs-msvc-20091122
<br>(c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
<br>Built on Nov 22 2009 at 01:00:46
<br>Build information:
<br> Win32 (MSVC) build for i386
<br> Modes: S/370 ESA/390 z/Arch
<br> Max CPU Engines: 8
<br> Using fthreads instead of pthreads
<br> Dynamic loading support
<br> Using shared libraries
<br> HTTP Server support
<br> No SIGABEND handler
<br> Regular Expressions support
<br> Automatic Operator support
<br> Machine dependent assists: cmpxchg1 cmpxchg4 cmpxchg8 fetch_dw store_dw
<br><br>HHCSC001E Load from c:/dasd/ipl/ipla80.ins failed: Permission denied
<br><br>SCLPROOT shows a mismatch on the '/'. There is a forward and a backslash. I
<br>think Roger Bowler identified this problem a few months back and it may have
<br>been fixed but crept back in?
<br><br>sclproot
<br>SCLPROOT C:\DASD\IPL/
<br><br>I'm running this on Windows Vista 32 bit.
<br><br><br><br>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Roger Bowler <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26507017&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rogerbowler@...</a>>wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Sunday, July 26, 2009 Philipp Brenner wrote:
<br>> > This build is also broken:
<br>> >> <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapfiles/HERC20090724.ZIP" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapfiles/HERC20090724.ZIP</a><br>> >> Hercules Version cvs-msvc-20090724
<br>> >> (c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
<br>> >> Built on Jul 24 2009 at 02:00:31
<br>> > However that build works just fine (found via google):
<br>> >
<br>> <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/W32/W32-hercules-SVN-5433.zip" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/W32/W32-hercules-SVN-5433.zip</a><br>> >> Hercules Version 3.0.6.5433
<br>> >> (c)Copyright 1999-2009 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
<br>> >> Built on Jul 24 2009 at 08:23:06
<br>> > What's going on here?
<br>>
<br>> Since Hercules moved to svn some months ago, the cvs repository is no
<br>> longer updated. Ivan's site is still generating nightly cvs snapshots
<br>> but these are all out of date because they contain the code as it was
<br>> just before the migration to svn.
<br>>
<br>> Until Ivan gets around to turning off the cvs snapshot generator and
<br>> updating his website, you can use the following link to obtain the
<br>> latest development versions of the source and binaries:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots</a><br>>
<br>> and the following link to view the change logs:
<br>> <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/</a><br>>
<br>> --
<br>> Regards,
<br>> Roger Bowler
<br>> <a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rbowler" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rbowler</a><br>> Hercules "I can't believe it's not a mainframe!"
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
</div><br><br><br>--
<br>Wayne V. Bickerdike
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26506990
Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-24T19:19:21Z
2009-11-24T19:19:21Z
laddiehanus-2
<br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26506990&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "laddiehanus" <laddiehanus@...> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26506990&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "Fish" <fish@> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>>
<br>> >
<br>> > We should also support building via the Windows SDK as well. If it doesn't
<br>> > work (and it may not) it's only because no one has tried it recently.
<br>> >
<br>> > We originally only supported using their Visual C++ 2003 Toolkit, but then
<br>> > added support for using their Platform SDK as well (renamed to Windows SDK).
<br>> >
<br>> > But as I said it may not work, but only because no one has tested it
<br>> > recently. It may be broken (read: *I* may have broken it).
<br>> >
<br>>
</div><br>Sorry this is what I get for posting while I have several other things going on
<br><br>Just installed the SDK and I was able to build Hercules (latest SVN using tortoise SVN 5506) and it built and runs well with MVS 3.8 and the VM evaluation edition.
<br><br>Got the Windows 7 SDK for AMD64, from the MSDN site running on a Sony Laptop (dual core) with Vista x64 and 4gig of ram. Used the command line installed with the SDK with zlib. bzip2 and pcre installed per Fish's instructions. There are 3 different SDK's x86, x64 and Itanium. The download is about 1.4 gig for the AMD64 version.
<br><br>I used the command
<br><br>makefile.bat DEBUG-X64 makefile.msvc 8
<br><br>to do the build.
<br><br><br>Laddie
<br><br>P.S. The svn browser on Ivan's site seems not to be working. I dont get the tree but do get a message
<br><br>No admin address has been configured
<br><br>I know he is busy (I have had a crazy year also) but if someone can let him know.
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26506767
Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-24T18:44:41Z
2009-11-24T18:44:41Z
laddiehanus-2
<br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26506767&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
<br>>
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> We should also support building via the Windows SDK as well. If it doesn't
<br>> work (and it may not) it's only because no one has tried it recently.
<br>>
<br>> We originally only supported using their Visual C++ 2003 Toolkit, but then
<br>> added support for using their Platform SDK as well (renamed to Windows SDK).
<br>>
<br>> But as I said it may not work, but only because no one has tested it
<br>> recently. It may be broken (read: *I* may have broken it).
<br>>
</div><br>Just installed the SDK and I was able to build Hercules (latest SVN using tortise SVN and it built and runs well with MVS 3.8 and the ve evaluation.
<br><br>Laddie
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26506571
Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-24T18:15:05Z
2009-11-24T18:15:05Z
BruceTSmith
<br><br>Thanks Paul,
<br><br>I figured it had to be out there somewhere. :)
<br><br>I guess my real question is...
<br><br>Why don't we "freeze" one, and post it on Herc Home, down there by "hercules-3.06-native.msi: Windows Installer package"
<br><br><a href="http://www.hercules-390.org/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.hercules-390.org/</a><br><br>BTS :)))
<br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26506571&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "paoloG" <crc@...> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> --- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26506571&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "BruceTSmith" <brucetsmith@> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Can I ask a stupid question (showing how little I "really" know about Hercules)...
<br>> >
<br>> > Is there a "prebuilt" version of "Hercwin64"?
<br>>
<br>> Yes, you can find it at: <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/</a><br>>
<br>> Regards.
<br>>
<br>> Paul
<br>>
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26504055
Re: Re: either POP or HERC is wrong
2009-11-24T13:50:20Z
2009-11-24T13:50:20Z
yvette hirth
>> Trying to understand some of those explanations in POP
<br>>> is difficult. The subject of the linkage stack is quite
<br>>> convoluted and easy to mis- understand.
<br><br>as important as the description of the instruction or concept is in POP,
<br>what is not said is also equally important: if POP doesn't say that
<br>something will happen, then there is no guarantee that the subject of
<br>your query will, in fact, happen. it sounds mysterious until you look
<br>at things like linkage stack descriptions et al... add to that the
<br>evolution of POP from it's green-card 360 days through today's 64-bit
<br>environment.
<br><br>if you read the description for just one instruction over and over, you
<br>may come to the conclusion that the "writing style" was chosen quite
<br>carefully and is very precise. the language has to be precise. POP is
<br>the definitive and precise explanation of what is happening at what
<br>seems to be a gazillion shmegigahertz inside those little chips. it's
<br>not going to be "light reading". i used to read it when i had insomnia.
<br><br>but it's much easier reading now - they use newer graphics. i remember
<br>trying to figure out exactly which bit in the register is referred to by
<br>the "/" when neither of the digits below the "/" lined up. maddening.
<br>much better now. be happy you're reading the upgrade!
<br><br>yvette hirth
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26502665
RE: Re: Need help badly
2009-11-24T12:23:37Z
2009-11-24T12:23:37Z
Gregg C Levine-2
Hello!
<br>In this case regarding the late firm Funsoft, I meant the dunderhead who ran
<br>it, and was persistently ragging on people who'd order the developer's kits
<br>from their PWD associates, and it came with the appropriate at the time
<br>hardware. (I do not remember his name only his annoying attitude which sadly
<br>is even worse then the one I could present to people when necessary.)
<br><br>Unfortunately for them, and Funsoft, they would discover that the
<br>developer's kit ran slowly on the appropriate hardware thus supplied. They
<br>would hear about Hercules, and install it on a separate system, and then
<br>install those kits there. (By kits I mean the ADCD disks and the very rare
<br>Demo PKG sets.) They'd find out that these kits would run quite close to
<br>what they thought would happen on an appropriately matching big iron.
<br><br>Then naturally they would visit and eventually join the Hercules-390 basic
<br>list and trumpet their discoveries. We would be pleased. (Which is how I
<br>would feel.)
<br><br>Naturally because this character viewed Hercules as a competing entity
<br>rather then what it is a hobbyist tool, he would do that all over again. (I
<br>also believe he was annoying those individuals off list as well.)
<br><br>Now we've never even insisted that Hercules could be used for production
<br>work, only as a proof of concept to the individual who's running those kits
<br>on it. Or any of the freely available operating systems.
<br><br>But he didn't see things that way. Eventually Roger gave him an ultimatum.
<br>And it was probably delivered off list which is why I don't recall its text;
<br>I do recall that Roger did post the theme behind that statement on the list.
<br>(See below for context.)
<br><br>As for the booby somewhere in the UK, Phil Payne I believe his name was, and
<br>what his big problem might have been was one of he adamantly refused to
<br>believe that Hercules was even possible, probably because it was better then
<br>one he wrote himself.
<br><br>In that case Roger told him that he could read the list but not post to it.
<br><br>Now with the current availability of the zPDT developers' tools, the firm
<br>Funsoft is out of it, finally. As it happens there are two possibly three
<br>other reasons. Tony I believe you are aware of one of them, perhaps others I
<br>know from the IBMVM list as well.
<br><br>For those firms who need 18MIPS based platforms to complete what jobs they
<br>still were running on such platforms I do not know. There is talk of IBM
<br>actually delivering a platform to do that, but I do not know if the Z for
<br>Business platform is still available. (It should be I hope to be working
<br>with one RSN.)
<br><br>The original statement wasn't written in the style of Yoda who speaks in
<br>fractured sentences because what is spoken back there is not his native
<br>tongue. And therefore comparing my style to that decidedly great Jedi Master
<br>isn't appropriate.
<br>--
<br>Gregg C Levine <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26502665&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hansolofalcon@...</a>
<br>"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
<br>
<br><br><br>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26502665&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a> [mailto:<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26502665&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>] On Behalf
<br>Of
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Tony Harminc
<br>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:20 PM
<br>> To: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26502665&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>
<br>> Subject: Re: [H390-VM] Re: Need help badly
<br>>
<br>> 2009-11-23 paoloG <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26502665&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">crc@...</a>>:
<br>>
<br>> > Gregg,
<br>> >
<br>> > to my ears your words are nearly as obscure as the famous Sibilla's
</div>sentence:
<br>> >
<br>> > 'Ibis redibis numquam peribis in bello'.
<br>> >
<br>> > Here there are many people not speaking English as their mother tongue;
<br>many of them
<br>> don't know that 'across the pond' means 'at the other side of Atlantic
<br>Ocean', nor do they
<br>> know which side you're referring to....
<br>> > I think many people don't know who was 'that character from Funsoft' and
<br>'that individual
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> from the same location as yourself David'.
<br>> >
<br>> > So the sense of your message is not easy to understand....
<br>>
<br>> Does "Yoda-like" mean anything to your non-native ears, Paolo?
<br>>
<br>> I, as a native speaker of English, also find Gregg's writing style
<br>> often obscure. Which of course is not to comment on the content.
<br>>
<br>> Tony H.
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26497058
Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-24T06:34:15Z
2009-11-24T06:34:15Z
beaulieumichel
Hi Fish,
<br><br>I downloaded Hercules w66 snapshop 5505 yesterday and gave it a spin.
<br>Worked like a charm. I did a test IPL with the z/VM 5.3 Evaluation.
<br>As you said, there are some performance hits.
<br> - -
<br>Here are a few observations:
<br>Looking at the Windows Task Manager while doing IPL with 4 GB of RAM.
<br>Initially, I saw hercules acquiring all the pages until all the pages
<br>of the Windows Server (2008 R2) 2 GB were all depleted.
<br>The whole server went into a crawl (unresponsive state)
<br>for many minutes while the page file was very active.
<br>Then things start to behave better, Windows became responsive.
<br>The IPL of the OS completed and I was able to have a
<br>good response time given that this was a minimal z/VM.
<br> - -
<br>My next step is to work with Linux-390 OS, so any questions
<br>and comments related to that will move to another group.
<br>Do you have any Linux distribution to suggest?
<br> - -
<br>Let me know if you would like me to do tests of some kind
<br>with this version (snapshot 5505) of Hercules.
<br> - -
<br>Thanks for all you do for the Hercules community.
<br>This is great stuff! - Félicitations!
<br><br>Michel Beaulieu
<br> - -
<br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26497058&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
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<br>> beaulieumichel wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > Hello,
<br>> >
<br>> > I have a test Windows Server 2008 R2 64 bit (2GB RAM with
<br>> > large pagefile!), specially for that purpose.
<br>>
<br>> Even WITH a large pagefile, with only 2GB of RAM you will likely suffer
<br>> horrible performance if you try running Hercules with a MAINSIZE value
<br>> larger than about 1.25GB. This is because Windows itself needs 0.75-1.0GB
<br>> for itself, leaving you only 1.25-1.0GB for Hercules before Windows begins
<br>> paging.
<br>>
<br>> For larger MAINSIZE values you really should have *much* more RAM (4-8GB for
<br>> example). Then you could probably run Hercules with a MAINSIZE of 3-7GB with
<br>> acceptable performance.
<br>>
<br>> Keep in mind too, that what we're mostly interested in knowing is whether or
<br>> not Hercules works okay with MAINSIZE values greater than the 32-bit maximum
<br>> of 4GB. What we NEED is someone to test the Windows x64 version of Hercules
<br>> with a MAINSIZE value larger than 4GB (e.g. 5-8GB for example).
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> > My next step is to download the Visual C++ express 2008,
<br>> > then build Hercules and try this.
<br>> >
<br>> > I will let you know of my progress.
<br>>
<br>> PLEASE NOTE that you do NOT actually need to build Hercules for yourself
<br>> (unless you really WANT to of course!). Using any of the W64 snapshots
<br>> should be good enough:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/</a><br>>
<br>> Just make sure you have the latest Microsoft VC++ redistributables installed
<br>> beforehand:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nnzjyn" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/nnzjyn</a><br>>
<br>>
<br>> - --
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26495311
Re: Unsubscribe
2009-11-24T04:47:52Z
2009-11-24T04:47:52Z
paoloG
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26493499
Re: Unsubscribe
2009-11-24T02:21:27Z
2009-11-24T02:21:27Z
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26491896
Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-24T00:00:46Z
2009-11-24T00:00:46Z
paoloG
<br><br><br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26491896&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hercules-390@...</a>, "BruceTSmith" <brucetsmith@...> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Can I ask a stupid question (showing how little I "really" know about Hercules)...
<br>>
<br>> Is there a "prebuilt" version of "Hercwin64"?
<br><br>Yes, you can find it at: <a href="http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivansoftware.com/snapshots/snapshots/</a><br><br>Regards.
<br><br>Paul
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26491197
Re: Need help badly
2009-11-23T22:50:12Z
2009-11-23T22:50:12Z
paoloG
<br><br><br><br>--- In <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26491197&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">H390-VM@...</a>, Tony Harminc <tharminc@...> wrote:
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<br>> 2009/11/23 Fish <fish@...>:
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<br>> > Twas brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe. All
<br>> > mimsy were the borogoves, and the mome raths outgrabe.
<br>>
<br>> Perhaps Paolo would prefer
<br>>
<br>> Era brillosto, e gli alacridi tossi
<br>> succhiellavano scabbi nel pantúle:
<br>> Méstili eran tutti i paparossi,
<br>> e strombavan musando i tartarocchi.
<br>> [...]
</div><br>Nice to see here some Italian words, even if, of course, they're perfect nonsense (sort of 'translation' of Jabberwocky).
<br><br>Regards.
<br><br>Paul
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26490976
Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-23T22:16:51Z
2009-11-23T22:16:51Z
BruceTSmith
Can I ask a stupid question (showing how little I "really" know about Hercules)...
<br><br>Is there a "prebuilt" version of "Hercwin64"?
<br><br>If not, why not?
<br><br>More and more 64-bit machines are showing up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we do have "prebuilt" versions for Win32, Linux and OSX, don't we? Why not Win64?
<br><br>Herc and 64 just sounds like such a natural combo to me. :)
<br><br>Maybe a dumb BTS :)))
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26490460
Re: Re: either POP or HERC is wrong
2009-11-23T20:44:01Z
2009-11-23T20:44:01Z
John Wilson-6
From: "BruceTSmith" <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26490460&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">brucetsmith@...</a>>
<br><br>>See, this is why I tell newbies to always start with the System/360 POP.
<br>>Life was so much easier back then. Heck, the entire 360 POP on Bitsavers
<br>>is 168 pages, including the cover. :)
<br><br>Best of all, the 360 PrinOps was only $3 brand new!
<br>Much better deal than Struble.
<br><br>John Wilson
<br>Monson, MA
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26490232
RE: Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-23T20:12:18Z
2009-11-23T20:12:18Z
fish-8
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<br><br>Allow me to jump in here for a second...
<br><br><br>beaulieumichel wrote:
<br><br>> Thanks for the quick response.
<br>>
<br>> Since I am working on a throw away Windows Server
<br>> Image, I can try this with the 90 days evaluation
<br>> of the Professionnal version.
<br>>
<br>> I have something else to do for the next few days.
<br>> I expect to have an update by the end of the week.
<br><br>If that's what you want to do Michel, then fine, by all means have fun! :)
<br><br>BUT...
<br><br>I feel I should make clear (for the benefit of others as well as you) that
<br>you DON'T have to build Hercules on a 64-bit version of Windows in order to
<br>create a 64-bit version of Hercules. You CAN build a 64-bit version of
<br>Hercules on your existing 32-bit version of Windows, then simply copy the
<br>resulting binaries (executables and DLLs) over to your 64-bit Windows
<br>system. That's called cross-compiling and we DO support that.
<br><br>Just wanted to make that clear in case you or others forgot about that. :)
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26490215
Re: Re: Need help badly
2009-11-23T20:08:22Z
2009-11-23T20:08:22Z
Tony Harminc
2009/11/23 Fish <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26490215&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">fish@...</a>>:
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<br>> Twas brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe. All
<br>> mimsy were the borogoves, and the mome raths outgrabe.
<br><br>Perhaps Paolo would prefer
<br><br>Era brillosto, e gli alacridi tossi
<br>succhiellavano scabbi nel pantúle:
<br>Méstili eran tutti i paparossi,
<br>e strombavan musando i tartarocchi.
<br>[...]
<br><br>Not that we're off topic or anything.
<br><br>Tony H.
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26490207
RE: Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-23T20:07:02Z
2009-11-23T20:07:02Z
fish-8
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<br><br>laddiehanus wrote:
<br><br>> According to the README.WIN64 file thats in SVN
<br>> Microsoft Visual Studio standard or Pro is required.
<br>>
<br>> There is a pointer in that file for a 90 day evaluation
<br>> version.
<br><br>We should also support building via the Windows SDK as well. If it doesn't
<br>work (and it may not) it's only because no one has tried it recently.
<br><br>We originally only supported using their Visual C++ 2003 Toolkit, but then
<br>added support for using their Platform SDK as well (renamed to Windows SDK).
<br><br>But as I said it may not work, but only because no one has tested it
<br>recently. It may be broken (read: *I* may have broken it).
<br><br>But heck, it's worth a try. As far as I know their Windows SDK is still
<br>free, and it *does* come with both the x64 and Itanium compilers. <shrug>
<br><br><br>> I get the same errors on my Vista x64 machine. I am just
<br>> too cheap to send Micro$oft more of my money and dont want
<br>> to wipe out my express install with the evaluation version.
<br><br>Try the SDK. Installing it should NOT break your existing Express
<br>installation, but rather should *augment* it instead (i.e. provide you with
<br>the newer headers as well as a 64-bit compiler thereby allowing you build
<br>64-bit Hercules. For free.) [+]
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<br><br>[+] Ideally you shouldn't have to do anything special either. It *should*
<br>"just work". Hercules is designed as just a somewhat sophisticated makefile
<br>project after all, so it *should* build just fine within Visual Studio,
<br>regardless of whether it is the Express edition or the full Professional
<br>edition. It shouldn't matter. As long as our (Hercules's) 'makefile.bat'
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<br>be able to build an x64 version of Hercules completely within the Express
<br>edition IDE.
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26490124
RE: Re: Hercwin64
2009-11-23T19:49:47Z
2009-11-23T19:49:47Z
fish-8
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<br><br>beaulieumichel wrote:
<br><br>> Thanks for the information!
<br>>
<br>> Performance is not my major concern at this point.
<br>> As long as I can have a clean IPL, I will be happy.
<br><snip>
<br><br>> [...] "vcvarsall.bat" amd64
<br>> The specified configuration type is missing. The
<br>> tools for the configuration might not be installed.
<br><br>As Laddie Hanus has already explained, the free "Express" editions of the
<br>Visual Studio product suite (Visual Basic 2008 Express, Visual C# 2008
<br>Express, Visual C++ 2008 Express, etc) do not support 64-bit. The "Express"
<br>versions only support building 32-bit.
<br><br>To be able to build 64-bit executables you need to either:
<br><br>a) purchase their full Visual Studio product (Standard, Professional or Team
<br>System), or
<br>b) download and install their latest Windows SDK (Windows SDK for Windows
<br>Server 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5, or Microsoft Windows SDK for Windows 7
<br>and .NET Framework 3.5 SP1) [*]
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Re: either POP or HERC is wrong
2009-11-23T19:28:44Z
2009-11-23T19:28:44Z
BruceTSmith
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>> Trying to understand some of those explanations in POP
<br>> is difficult. The subject of the linkage stack is quite
<br>> convoluted and easy to mis- understand.
<br>>
<br>See, this is why I tell newbies to always start with the System/360 POP. Life was so much easier back then. Heck, the entire 360 POP on Bitsavers is 168 pages, including the cover. :)
<br><br>It may have been simple, but it was enough. Enough for everything, z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE, the compilers and utilities, kool stuff like CICS, all got their start on the 360.
<br><br>And all that "old" code runs just fine on the latest and greatest z. What more could one want? :) :)
<br><br>Ahh yes, the good old days...
<br><br>BTS :)))
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26489828
Re: Re: either POP or HERC is wrong
2009-11-23T19:04:04Z
2009-11-23T19:04:04Z
Adam Thornton
On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Fish wrote:
<br>> Does IBM publish non-English versions of the Principles of Operation manual?
<br><br><br>One could defend the position that IBM *exclusively* publishes non-English versions of the Principles.
<br><br>Adam
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26489807
RE: Re: either POP or HERC is wrong
2009-11-23T19:00:17Z
2009-11-23T19:00:17Z
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<br><br>[...]
<br>> Martin,
<br>>
<br>> Trying to understand some of those explanations in POP
<br>> is difficult. The subject of the linkage stack is quite
<br>> convoluted and easy to mis- understand.
<br><br>I imagine it must be especially difficult for someone whose native language
<br>is not English.
<br><br>Does IBM publish non-English versions of the Principles of Operation manual?
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26489747
RE: Re: Need help badly
2009-11-23T18:50:48Z
2009-11-23T18:50:48Z
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<br><br>(apologies to Lewis Carroll)
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