Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?

[James Adams]

I have found no documentation which shows how to use Hibernate with HiveMind.  Have I missed a tutorial or getting started page somewhere which will help me get started?  Am I correct in my conclusion that HiveMind support for ORM tools (such as Hibernate) is magnitudes less than what is available from Spring?

Can someone point me to the excellent example by James Carman referenced here?

Thanks in advance for your help.

--James

[jwcarman]

I believe they were referring to my article on theserverside.com
(http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=HivemindBuzz).
 It's a little dated.  I've actually created a hivemind-hibernate3
project available via SVN:

http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-hibernate3/trunk

You login with anonymous/anon.  However, I think there's something
wrong at the moment.    I couldn't login when I tried.  I've sent an
email to their support folks.  I believe even with my new library that
the DetachedCriteria problem would still exist, though. :(  By the
way, there are some other libraries there in that SVN repository that
could be of interest (acegi comes to mind).


On 11/3/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:

>
> I have found no documentation which shows how to use Hibernate with HiveMind.
> Have I missed a tutorial or getting started page somewhere which will help
> me get started?  Am I correct in my conclusion that HiveMind support for ORM
> tools (such as Hibernate) is magnitudes less than what is available from
> Spring?
>
> Can someone point me to the excellent example by James Carman referenced
> http://www.nabble.com/Hivemind-creates-proxy-Hibernate-Session-t3528361.html
> here ?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> --James
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-with-HiveMind----examples%2C-tutorials%2C-etc.--tf4744977.html#a13568638
> Sent from the Hivemind - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

[Jean-Francois Poilpret-2]

Hello James,

Although the HiveMind project by itself does not provide tools/libraries for
ORM support (as compared with Spring), there are a few open source projects
down there that aim to fill in this gap.

One of them is HiveMind Utilities (http://hivetranse.sourceforge.net).
There are at least 2 others, the one from James, and one from Marcus Schulte
which is not "purely" HiveMind, but more Tapestry-oriented (but that's still
HiveMind). There may be others, a quick google search should help you find
these.

Cheers

Jean-Francois


-----Original Message-----
From: James Adams [mailto:monocongo@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:23 AM
To: user@...
Subject: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?


I have found no documentation which shows how to use Hibernate with
HiveMind.
Have I missed a tutorial or getting started page somewhere which will help
me get started?  Am I correct in my conclusion that HiveMind support for ORM
tools (such as Hibernate) is magnitudes less than what is available from
Spring?

Can someone point me to the excellent example by James Carman referenced
http://www.nabble.com/Hivemind-creates-proxy-Hibernate-Session-t3528361.html
here ?

Thanks in advance for your help.

--James
--
View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-with-HiveMind----examples%2C-tutorials%2C-et
c.--tf4744977.html#a13568638
Sent from the Hivemind - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[James Adams]

Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.  

Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the feature set and first class documentation of the Spring Framework plus the many articles, blog posts, etc. available from third parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.  The HiveTranse project pages I've seen have no similar documentation available other than the brief quick start page so my assumption was that it is not as feature rich or robust as the ORM support provided by Spring.  I thought that there was maybe something else available from HiveMind itself but it appears that unlike Spring HiveMind is more focused on IoC and is not a full featured application framework per se and hence lacks built in support for ORM tools.  I'm working on a project which uses HiveMind and now that we have to add persistence with Hibernate I was hoping to get the same sort of support for Hibernate that I came to expect from Spring.  I really like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's not as bad as I'm thinking and I should learn to live without the Spring crutches) or go with HiveMind ORM utilities like HiveTranse which appear to be much less mature than what I'm used to with Spring.

I will give HiveTranse a whirl and see how it goes, maybe it'll be fine for my needs.

--James

Jean-Francois Poilpret-2 wrote:

Hello James,

Although the HiveMind project by itself does not provide tools/libraries for
ORM support (as compared with Spring), there are a few open source projects
down there that aim to fill in this gap.

One of them is HiveMind Utilities (http://hivetranse.sourceforge.net).
There are at least 2 others, the one from James, and one from Marcus Schulte
which is not "purely" HiveMind, but more Tapestry-oriented (but that's still
HiveMind). There may be others, a quick google search should help you find
these.

Cheers

Jean-Francois


-----Original Message-----
From: James Adams [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:23 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?


I have found no documentation which shows how to use Hibernate with
HiveMind.
Have I missed a tutorial or getting started page somewhere which will help
me get started?  Am I correct in my conclusion that HiveMind support for ORM
tools (such as Hibernate) is magnitudes less than what is available from
Spring?

Can someone point me to the excellent example by James Carman referenced
http://www.nabble.com/Hivemind-creates-proxy-Hibernate-Session-t3528361.html
here ?

Thanks in advance for your help.

--James
--
View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-with-HiveMind----examples%2C-tutorials%2C-et
c.--tf4744977.html#a13568638
Sent from the Hivemind - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[James Adams]

Thanks James.

I tried to get into the SVN repository but I was forbidden access, I'll keep trying and once I'm in I'll poke around to see if there's anything there which will be useful.

--James

James Carman wrote:

I believe they were referring to my article on theserverside.com
(http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=HivemindBuzz).
 It's a little dated.  I've actually created a hivemind-hibernate3
project available via SVN:

http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-hibernate3/trunk

You login with anonymous/anon.  However, I think there's something
wrong at the moment.    I couldn't login when I tried.  I've sent an
email to their support folks.  I believe even with my new library that
the DetachedCriteria problem would still exist, though. :(  By the
way, there are some other libraries there in that SVN repository that
could be of interest (acegi comes to mind).


On 11/3/07, James Adams <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I have found no documentation which shows how to use Hibernate with HiveMind.
> Have I missed a tutorial or getting started page somewhere which will help
> me get started?  Am I correct in my conclusion that HiveMind support for ORM
> tools (such as Hibernate) is magnitudes less than what is available from
> Spring?
>
> Can someone point me to the excellent example by James Carman referenced
> http://www.nabble.com/Hivemind-creates-proxy-Hibernate-Session-t3528361.html
> here ?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> --James
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-with-HiveMind----examples%2C-tutorials%2C-etc.--tf4744977.html#a13568638
> Sent from the Hivemind - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

[Johan Maasing-2]

On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
>
> Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you get from
> Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the feature set and first
> class documentation of the Spring Framework plus the many articles, blog
> posts, etc. available from third parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.

No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.

> like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always used
> Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with HiveMind I will
> have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's not as bad as I'm
> thinking and I should learn to live without the Spring crutches) or go with

We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that Spring
actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
spring beans from hivemind.
So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior IoC-container
to Spring since I could not live without the
configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.

[jwcarman]

The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind together, but
it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind way.  The pieces of
Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or repositories as I've started
calling them) don't really have anything to do with an IoC container.
They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.  So,
I decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to put
someone else's really nice wheels on my small, but very configurable
vehicle. :)


On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <jmaasing@...> wrote:

> On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> >
> > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you get from
> > Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the feature set and first
> > class documentation of the Spring Framework plus the many articles, blog
> > posts, etc. available from third parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.
>
> No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
>
> > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always used
> > Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with HiveMind I will
> > have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's not as bad as I'm
> > thinking and I should learn to live without the Spring crutches) or go with
>
> We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that Spring
> actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
> Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
> spring beans from hivemind.
> So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
> options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior IoC-container
> to Spring since I could not live without the
> configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
>

[James Adams]

Johan Maasing-2 wrote:

On 11/4/07, James Adams <[e-mail]> wrote:

You could also use Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use spring beans from hivemind.

Yes I've heard that this can be done, but I can't find anything in the documentation which describes how it's done.  Searching with Google ('hivemind spring integration', etc.) gives no joy either.  Can someone point me to the reference document that I've missed which explains this?

Thanks in advance.

--James

[Marcus.Schulte]

>
> Yes I've heard that this can be done, but I can't find
> anything in the documentation which describes how it's done.  
> Searching with Google ('hivemind spring integration', etc.)
> gives no joy either.  Can someone point me to the reference
> document that I've missed which explains this?

have a look at:

http://hivemind.apache.org/hivemind1/hivemind-lib/SpringLookupFactory.ht
ml

Additionally, you should be able to directly configure HiveMind services
based on Spring-Bean classes without using Spring's bean factory.

[richard.hensley]

James,

Is there any other avenue to access the hivemind-hibernate3 source code?

I work with James Adams, and we would really like to look at that work
as the description seems to be exactly what we need.


Richard
303-926-6045

-----Original Message-----
From: jcarman@... [mailto:jcarman@...]
On Behalf Of James Carman
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:55 AM
To: user@...
Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?

The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind together, but
it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind way.  The pieces of
Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or repositories as I've started
calling them) don't really have anything to do with an IoC container.
They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.  So, I
decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to put someone
else's really nice wheels on my small, but very configurable vehicle. :)


On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <jmaasing@...> wrote:
> On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> >
> > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you
> > get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the
> > feature set and first class documentation of the Spring Framework
> > plus the many articles, blog posts, etc. available from third
parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.

>
> No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
>
> > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always
> > used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with
> > HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's
> > not as bad as I'm thinking and I should learn to live without the
> > Spring crutches) or go with
>
> We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that Spring

> actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
> Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
> spring beans from hivemind.
> So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
> options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior IoC-container
> to Spring since I could not live without the
> configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
>

[jwcarman]

Richard,

I am at work right now, but I'll look on my home PC to see if I have a
copy of the code.  I can email it to you or I can put it up on my own
SVN server (I'm thinking about doing that anyway).

James

On 11/5/07, Hensley, Richard <Richard.Hensley@...> wrote:

> James,
>
> Is there any other avenue to access the hivemind-hibernate3 source code?
>
> I work with James Adams, and we would really like to look at that work
> as the description seems to be exactly what we need.
>
>
> Richard
> 303-926-6045
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jcarman@... [mailto:jcarman@...]
> On Behalf Of James Carman
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:55 AM
> To: user@...
> Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?
>
> The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind together, but
> it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind way.  The pieces of
> Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or repositories as I've started
> calling them) don't really have anything to do with an IoC container.
> They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.  So, I
> decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to put someone
> else's really nice wheels on my small, but very configurable vehicle. :)
>
>
> On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <jmaasing@...> wrote:
> > On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> > >
> > > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you
> > > get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the
> > > feature set and first class documentation of the Spring Framework
> > > plus the many articles, blog posts, etc. available from third
> parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.
> >
> > No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
> >
> > > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always
> > > used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with
> > > HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's
> > > not as bad as I'm thinking and I should learn to live without the
> > > Spring crutches) or go with
> >
> > We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that Spring
>
> > actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
> > Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
> > spring beans from hivemind.
> > So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
> > options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior IoC-container
> > to Spring since I could not live without the
> > configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
> >
>
>

[richard.hensley]

We would really appreciate getting any copy you could provide. My e-mail
is buried in the message below.


Richard
303-926-6045

-----Original Message-----
From: James Carman [mailto:james@...]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:59 AM
To: user@...
Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?

Richard,

I am at work right now, but I'll look on my home PC to see if I have a
copy of the code.  I can email it to you or I can put it up on my own
SVN server (I'm thinking about doing that anyway).

James

On 11/5/07, Hensley, Richard <Richard.Hensley@...> wrote:
> James,
>
> Is there any other avenue to access the hivemind-hibernate3 source
code?
>
> I work with James Adams, and we would really like to look at that work

> as the description seems to be exactly what we need.
>
>
> Richard
> 303-926-6045
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jcarman@...
> [mailto:jcarman@...]
> On Behalf Of James Carman
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:55 AM
> To: user@...
> Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?
>
> The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind together, but

> it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind way.  The pieces of
> Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or repositories as I've started
> calling them) don't really have anything to do with an IoC container.
> They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.  So,
> I decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to put
> someone else's really nice wheels on my small, but very configurable
> vehicle. :)
>
>
> On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <jmaasing@...> wrote:
> > On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> > >
> > > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what
> > > you get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by
> > > the feature set and first class documentation of the Spring
> > > Framework plus the many articles, blog posts, etc. available from
> > > third
> parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.
> >
> > No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
> >
> > > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always
> > > used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with
> > > HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's

> > > not as bad as I'm thinking and I should learn to live without the
> > > Spring crutches) or go with
> >
> > We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that
> > Spring
>
> > actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
> > Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
> > spring beans from hivemind.
> > So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
> > options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior
> > IoC-container to Spring since I could not live without the
> > configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
> >
>
>

[James Adams]

Hi James,

Any progress on this?  We're chomping at the bit to have a look at your code...

--James

James Carman wrote:

Richard,

I am at work right now, but I'll look on my home PC to see if I have a
copy of the code.  I can email it to you or I can put it up on my own
SVN server (I'm thinking about doing that anyway).

James

On 11/5/07, Hensley, Richard <[e-mail]> wrote:
> James,
>
> Is there any other avenue to access the hivemind-hibernate3 source code?
>
> I work with James Adams, and we would really like to look at that work
> as the description seems to be exactly what we need.
>
>
> Richard
> 303-926-6045
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> On Behalf Of James Carman
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:55 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?
>
> The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind together, but
> it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind way.  The pieces of
> Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or repositories as I've started
> calling them) don't really have anything to do with an IoC container.
> They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.  So, I
> decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to put someone
> else's really nice wheels on my small, but very configurable vehicle. :)
>
>
> On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > On 11/4/07, James Adams <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> > >
> > > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you
> > > get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the
> > > feature set and first class documentation of the Spring Framework
> > > plus the many articles, blog posts, etc. available from third
> parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.
> >
> > No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
> >
> > > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always
> > > used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with
> > > HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's
> > > not as bad as I'm thinking and I should learn to live without the
> > > Spring crutches) or go with
> >
> > We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that Spring
>
> > actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
> > Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
> > spring beans from hivemind.
> > So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
> > options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior IoC-container
> > to Spring since I could not live without the
> > configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
> >
>
>

[jwcarman]

I don't have the code on my local machine anymore.  I have since
upgraded to a new machine here at home.  So, the only place it lives
is in the SVN repo.  Once it's available, I'm gonna grab it and put it
in my own SVN server I believe.

On 11/6/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:

>
> Hi James,
>
> Any progress on this?  We're chomping at the bit to have a look at your
> code...
>
> --James
>
>
>
> James Carman wrote:
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I am at work right now, but I'll look on my home PC to see if I have a
> > copy of the code.  I can email it to you or I can put it up on my own
> > SVN server (I'm thinking about doing that anyway).
> >
> > James
> >
> > On 11/5/07, Hensley, Richard <Richard.Hensley@...> wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> Is there any other avenue to access the hivemind-hibernate3 source code?
> >>
> >> I work with James Adams, and we would really like to look at that work
> >> as the description seems to be exactly what we need.
> >>
> >>
> >> Richard
> >> 303-926-6045
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jcarman@... [mailto:jcarman@...]
> >> On Behalf Of James Carman
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:55 AM
> >> To: user@...
> >> Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?
> >>
> >> The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind together, but
> >> it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind way.  The pieces of
> >> Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or repositories as I've started
> >> calling them) don't really have anything to do with an IoC container.
> >> They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.  So, I
> >> decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to put someone
> >> else's really nice wheels on my small, but very configurable vehicle. :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <jmaasing@...> wrote:
> >> > On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you
> >> > > get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the
> >> > > feature set and first class documentation of the Spring Framework
> >> > > plus the many articles, blog posts, etc. available from third
> >> parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.
> >> >
> >> > No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
> >> >
> >> > > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always
> >> > > used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with
> >> > > HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's
> >> > > not as bad as I'm thinking and I should learn to live without the
> >> > > Spring crutches) or go with
> >> >
> >> > We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that Spring
> >>
> >> > actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
> >> > Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
> >> > spring beans from hivemind.
> >> > So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
> >> > options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior IoC-container
> >> > to Spring since I could not live without the
> >> > configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-with-HiveMind----examples%2C-tutorials%2C-etc.--tf4744977.html#a13618915
> Sent from the Hivemind - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

[jwcarman]

Actually, I just logged in.  I added the anonymous user as a Customer
on my project (something I didn't have to do before).  It looks like
you can get to it now.  Enjoy!

On 11/6/07, James Carman <james@...> wrote:

> I don't have the code on my local machine anymore.  I have since
> upgraded to a new machine here at home.  So, the only place it lives
> is in the SVN repo.  Once it's available, I'm gonna grab it and put it
> in my own SVN server I believe.
>
> On 11/6/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Any progress on this?  We're chomping at the bit to have a look at your
> > code...
> >
> > --James
> >
> >
> >
> > James Carman wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > I am at work right now, but I'll look on my home PC to see if I have a
> > > copy of the code.  I can email it to you or I can put it up on my own
> > > SVN server (I'm thinking about doing that anyway).
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On 11/5/07, Hensley, Richard <Richard.Hensley@...> wrote:
> > >> James,
> > >>
> > >> Is there any other avenue to access the hivemind-hibernate3 source code?
> > >>
> > >> I work with James Adams, and we would really like to look at that work
> > >> as the description seems to be exactly what we need.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Richard
> > >> 303-926-6045
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: jcarman@... [mailto:jcarman@...]
> > >> On Behalf Of James Carman
> > >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:55 AM
> > >> To: user@...
> > >> Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?
> > >>
> > >> The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind together, but
> > >> it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind way.  The pieces of
> > >> Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or repositories as I've started
> > >> calling them) don't really have anything to do with an IoC container.
> > >> They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.  So, I
> > >> decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to put someone
> > >> else's really nice wheels on my small, but very configurable vehicle. :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <jmaasing@...> wrote:
> > >> > On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to what you
> > >> > > get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just spoiled by the
> > >> > > feature set and first class documentation of the Spring Framework
> > >> > > plus the many articles, blog posts, etc. available from third
> > >> parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.
> > >> >
> > >> > No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
> > >> >
> > >> > > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've always
> > >> > > used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks like with
> > >> > > HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla Hibernate (maybe that's
> > >> > > not as bad as I'm thinking and I should learn to live without the
> > >> > > Spring crutches) or go with
> > >> >
> > >> > We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that Spring
> > >>
> > >> > actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also use
> > >> > Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy to use
> > >> > spring beans from hivemind.
> > >> > So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those
> > >> > options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior IoC-container
> > >> > to Spring since I could not live without the
> > >> > configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-with-HiveMind----examples%2C-tutorials%2C-etc.--tf4744977.html#a13618915
> > Sent from the Hivemind - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> >
>

[richard.hensley]

Thanks James. We were able to access the subversion repository.


Richard
303-926-6045

-----Original Message-----
From: jcarman@... [mailto:jcarman@...]
On Behalf Of James Carman
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:59 PM
To: user@...
Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials, etc.?

Actually, I just logged in.  I added the anonymous user as a Customer on
my project (something I didn't have to do before).  It looks like you
can get to it now.  Enjoy!

On 11/6/07, James Carman <james@...> wrote:
> I don't have the code on my local machine anymore.  I have since
> upgraded to a new machine here at home.  So, the only place it lives
> is in the SVN repo.  Once it's available, I'm gonna grab it and put it

> in my own SVN server I believe.
>
> On 11/6/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Any progress on this?  We're chomping at the bit to have a look at
> > your code...
> >
> > --James
> >
> >
> >
> > James Carman wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > I am at work right now, but I'll look on my home PC to see if I
> > > have a copy of the code.  I can email it to you or I can put it up

> > > on my own SVN server (I'm thinking about doing that anyway).
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On 11/5/07, Hensley, Richard <Richard.Hensley@...> wrote:
> > >> James,
> > >>
> > >> Is there any other avenue to access the hivemind-hibernate3
source code?
> > >>
> > >> I work with James Adams, and we would really like to look at that

> > >> work as the description seems to be exactly what we need.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Richard
> > >> 303-926-6045
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: jcarman@...
> > >> [mailto:jcarman@...]
> > >> On Behalf Of James Carman
> > >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:55 AM
> > >> To: user@...
> > >> Subject: Re: Hibernate with HiveMind -- examples, tutorials,

etc.?
> > >>
> > >> The hivemind-hibernate3 library uses Spring and HiveMind
> > >> together, but it uses Spring's Hibernate support in a HiveMind
> > >> way.  The pieces of Spring that you use for writing DAOs (or
> > >> repositories as I've started calling them) don't really have
anything to do with an IoC container.
> > >> They're not hard-wired to only live inside the Spring container.

> > >> So, I decided to not try to reinvent the wheel.  I just wanted to

> > >> put someone else's really nice wheels on my small, but very
> > >> configurable vehicle. :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 11/4/07, Johan Maasing <jmaasing@...> wrote:
> > >> > On 11/4/07, James Adams <monocongo@...> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks Jean-Francois for your quick response.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yes I saw HiveTranse but it looks to be meager compared to
> > >> > > what you get from Spring -- no offense intended, I'm just
> > >> > > spoiled by the feature set and first class documentation of
> > >> > > the Spring Framework plus the many articles, blog posts, etc.

> > >> > > available from third
> > >> parties about how to use Spring/Hibernate.
> > >> >
> > >> > No argument there, Spring has very good documentation.
> > >> >
> > >> > > like the IoC/wiring approach offered by HiveMind, but I've
> > >> > > always used Hibernate in conjunction with Spring and it looks

> > >> > > like with HiveMind I will have to either use vanilla
> > >> > > Hibernate (maybe that's not as bad as I'm thinking and I
> > >> > > should learn to live without the Spring crutches) or go with
> > >> >
> > >> > We all have different preferences but for me I do not find that

> > >> > Spring
> > >>
> > >> > actually offers much above vanilla Hibernate. You could also
> > >> > use Spring & Hivemind (yes seems redundant) but it is very easy

> > >> > to use spring beans from hivemind.
> > >> > So I would say that it is worth your while to investigate those

> > >> > options since HiveMind - to my mind - is a far superior
> > >> > IoC-container to Spring since I could not live without the
> > >> > configuration/contribution-feature in hivemind.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-with-HiveMind----examples%2C-tutoria
> > ls%2C-etc.--tf4744977.html#a13618915
> > Sent from the Hivemind - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> >
>