How can I globally watch every change to every page on a tiki site?

[alain_desilets]

I want to configure my tiki site so users can say that they want to be notified of any change made to any page on the site. How can I do this? Pascal St-Jean and I have been looking for 20 mins now.

I know that there is a permission tiki_p_admin_notifications. But granting this permission to all registered users seems dangerous, since it allows them to enable and disable notifications for all users of the system.

I also know about User Watches. They are enabled on the site. But it does not seem to provide a way to globally watch all wiki pages. If I go to the My Watches section, all I see is a list of pages that I am watching. Nothing that would allow me to specify to watch a whole site.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thx.

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[Xavier de Pedro Puente-2]

As far as I know, Alain, you can right now do this through rss (but not
email watches). I guess that tiki code needs to be hacked in order to
add the feature from admin notificacions (watch by email all changes to
wiki pages to the site) to "My Tiki > My Watches" in order to allow
users to watch changes to the whole tiki by email.

In case it helps such small "pointing"... (from a non-php coder)

Xavi

En/na Desilets, Alain ha escrit:

> I want to configure my tiki site so users can say that they want to be notified of any change made to any page on the site. How can I do this? Pascal St-Jean and I have been looking for 20 mins now.
>
> I know that there is a permission tiki_p_admin_notifications. But granting this permission to all registered users seems dangerous, since it allows them to enable and disable notifications for all users of the system.
>
> I also know about User Watches. They are enabled on the site. But it does not seem to provide a way to globally watch all wiki pages. If I go to the My Watches section, all I see is a list of pages that I am watching. Nothing that would allow me to specify to watch a whole site.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>
> Thx.
>
> ----
> Alain Désilets, MASc
> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC /
> NRC Institute for Information Technology
>
> alain.desilets@...
> Tél/Tel [phone]
> Facsimile/télécopieur: [phone]
>
> Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
> Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6
> National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200 Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON
> K1A 0R6
>
> Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
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[Jonny Bradley-2]

Doesn't tiki-admin_notifications.php do it?

It's on the admin menu - between "Groups" and "Menus"

jonny

On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:50, Xavier de Pedro wrote:

> As far as I know, Alain, you can right now do this through rss (but  
> not
> email watches). I guess that tiki code needs to be hacked in order to
> add the feature from admin notificacions (watch by email all changes  
> to
> wiki pages to the site) to "My Tiki > My Watches" in order to allow
> users to watch changes to the whole tiki by email.
>
> In case it helps such small "pointing"... (from a non-php coder)
>
> Xavi
>
> En/na Desilets, Alain ha escrit:
>> I want to configure my tiki site so users can say that they want to  
>> be notified of any change made to any page on the site. How can I  
>> do this? Pascal St-Jean and I have been looking for 20 mins now.
>>
>> I know that there is a permission tiki_p_admin_notifications. But  
>> granting this permission to all registered users seems dangerous,  
>> since it allows them to enable and disable notifications for all  
>> users of the system.
>>
>> I also know about User Watches. They are enabled on the site. But  
>> it does not seem to provide a way to globally watch all wiki pages.  
>> If I go to the My Watches section, all I see is a list of pages  
>> that I am watching. Nothing that would allow me to specify to watch  
>> a whole site.
>>
>> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>>
>> Thx.
>>
>> ----
>> Alain Désilets, MASc
>> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
>> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC /
>> NRC Institute for Information Technology
>>
>> alain.desilets@...
>> Tél/Tel [phone]
>> Facsimile/télécopieur: [phone]
>>
>> Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
>> Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6
>> National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200 Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON
>> K1A 0R6
>>
>> Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
>>
>>
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[alain_desilets]

> As far as I know, Alain, you can right now do this through rss (but not
> email watches). I guess that tiki code needs to be hacked in order to
> add the feature from admin notificacions (watch by email all changes to
> wiki pages to the site) to "My Tiki > My Watches" in order to allow
> users to watch changes to the whole tiki by email.

I know this can be done, because it's enabled on this site:

   http://jiamcatt.ourwiki.net/tiki-index.php

which, I believe, runs Tiki 3. And I'm pretty sure that nobody hacked that code.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to dig through the code to find out how this can be enabled, cause I sure can't find it in the doc, and nobody seems to know how.

Thx anyway. I don't like resorting to looking at the code if I suspect that someone out there already knows the answer, so your answer is helpful in that way.

Alain

>
> In case it helps such small "pointing"... (from a non-php coder)
>
> Xavi
>
> En/na Desilets, Alain ha escrit:
> > I want to configure my tiki site so users can say that they want to
> be notified of any change made to any page on the site. How can I do
> this? Pascal St-Jean and I have been looking for 20 mins now.
> >
> > I know that there is a permission tiki_p_admin_notifications. But
> granting this permission to all registered users seems dangerous, since
> it allows them to enable and disable notifications for all users of the
> system.
> >
> > I also know about User Watches. They are enabled on the site. But it
> does not seem to provide a way to globally watch all wiki pages. If I
> go to the My Watches section, all I see is a list of pages that I am
> watching. Nothing that would allow me to specify to watch a whole site.
> >
> > Can anyone point me in the right direction?
> >
> > Thx.
> >
> > ----
> > Alain Désilets, MASc
> > Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> > Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / NRC Institute for
> > Information Technology
> >
> > alain.desilets@...
> > Tél/Tel [phone]
> > Facsimile/télécopieur: [phone]
> >
> > Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
> > Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6 National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200
> > Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6
> >
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[alain_desilets]

Getting closer...

tiki-admin_notifications.php does allow and admin to register another user for notification of various events.

What I am looking for is slightly different. I want users to be able to say themselves that they want to be notified of a particular event. And I don't want to grant all my users admin privileges.

Hum... strangely enough, tiki-admin_notifications.php IS available to non-admins (in spite of what its name suggests).

But I don't think it SHOULD, cause it allows one user to see the notifications of ALL OTHER USERS, and to ASSIGN OR DELETE ANY OF THEM!!! I just tried it, and it works!

This looks like a minor security problem obviously, but from a usability perspective, it's a complete disaster.

Usability problem 1: Why have two places where users can tell the system what they want to be notified about? Why can't they do it all from the My Watches page?

Problem 2: the name of the tiki-admin_notification.php scripts suggest that it's an admin operation. As it turns out, it SHOULD BE limited to admins.

Problem 3: In tiki-admin_notification.php , the user may see a long list of notifications for all the users of the site, and will need to search/filter them to see the only thing he cares about, i.e. HIS OWN notifications.

Problem 4: The tiki-admin_notification.php dialog requires the user to specify his user name and email, EVENTHOUGH HE IS LOGGED ON! This adds to the confusion and will cause the user to scratch his head ("Is this for me to set MY watches, or for me to set SOMEBODY ELSE's watches... hum... maybe I shouldn't be here" kind of thing).

This seems to be a bit out of my league to fix.

Alain

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonny Bradley [mailto:tw@...]
> Sent: October 26, 2009 8:03 AM
> To: Tikiwiki developers
> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] How can I globally watch every change to
> everypage on a tiki site?
>
>
> Doesn't tiki-admin_notifications.php do it?
>
> It's on the admin menu - between "Groups" and "Menus"
>
> jonny
>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:50, Xavier de Pedro wrote:
>
> > As far as I know, Alain, you can right now do this through rss (but
> > not email watches). I guess that tiki code needs to be hacked in
> order
> > to add the feature from admin notificacions (watch by email all
> > changes to wiki pages to the site) to "My Tiki > My Watches" in order
> > to allow users to watch changes to the whole tiki by email.
> >
> > In case it helps such small "pointing"... (from a non-php coder)
> >
> > Xavi
> >
> > En/na Desilets, Alain ha escrit:
> >> I want to configure my tiki site so users can say that they want to
> >> be notified of any change made to any page on the site. How can I do
> >> this? Pascal St-Jean and I have been looking for 20 mins now.
> >>
> >> I know that there is a permission tiki_p_admin_notifications. But
> >> granting this permission to all registered users seems dangerous,
> >> since it allows them to enable and disable notifications for all
> >> users of the system.
> >>
> >> I also know about User Watches. They are enabled on the site. But it
> >> does not seem to provide a way to globally watch all wiki pages.
> >> If I go to the My Watches section, all I see is a list of pages that
> >> I am watching. Nothing that would allow me to specify to watch a
> >> whole site.
> >>
> >> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
> >>
> >> Thx.
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Alain Désilets, MASc
> >> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> >> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / NRC Institute for
> >> Information Technology
> >>
> >> alain.desilets@...
> >> Tél/Tel [phone]
> >> Facsimile/télécopieur: [phone]
> >>
> >> Conseil national de recherches Canada, M50, 1200 chemin Montréal,
> >> Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6 National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200
> >> Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6
> >>
> >> Gouvernement du Canada | Government of Canada
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[Sylvie Greverend-3]

On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 11:58 -0400, Desilets, Alain wrote:
> Getting closer...
>
> tiki-admin_notifications.php does allow and admin to register another user for notification of various events.
>
> What I am looking for is slightly different. I want users to be able to say themselves that they want to be notified of a particular event. And I don't want to grant all my users admin privileges.
>
> Hum... strangely enough, tiki-admin_notifications.php IS available to non-admins (in spite of what its name suggests).
Your user has tiki_p_admin_notifications. Take away the perms and it
will work.

>
> But I don't think it SHOULD, cause it allows one user to see the notifications of ALL OTHER USERS, and to ASSIGN OR DELETE ANY OF THEM!!! I just tried it, and it works!
>
> This looks like a minor security problem obviously, but from a usability perspective, it's a complete disaster.
>
> Usability problem 1: Why have two places where users can tell the system what they want to be notified about? Why can't they do it all from the My Watches page?
No, it is not - one is admin  - the other is user

> Problem 2: the name of the tiki-admin_notification.php scripts suggest that it's an admin operation. As it turns out, it SHOULD BE limited to admins.
limitted to tiki_p_admin_notifications
>
> Problem 3: In tiki-admin_notification.php , the user may see a long list of notifications for all the users of the site, and will need to search/filter them to see the only thing he cares about, i.e. HIS OWN notifications.
>
> Problem 4: The tiki-admin_notification.php dialog requires the user to specify his user name and email, EVENTHOUGH HE IS LOGGED ON! This adds to the confusion and will cause the user to scratch his head ("Is this for me to set MY watches, or for me to set SOMEBODY ELSE's watches... hum... maybe I shouldn't be here" kind of thing).
It is user or email - not both a require - email always people outside
the tiki or - allows to overwrite the perms

> This seems to be a bit out of my league to fix.
See my previous message - the mytiki on the site has probably been
customized

>
> Alain
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonny Bradley [mailto:tw@...]
> > Sent: October 26, 2009 8:03 AM
> > To: Tikiwiki developers
> > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] How can I globally watch every change to
> > everypage on a tiki site?
> >
> >
> > Doesn't tiki-admin_notifications.php do it?
> >
> > It's on the admin menu - between "Groups" and "Menus"
> >
> > jonny
> >
> > On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:50, Xavier de Pedro wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I know, Alain, you can right now do this through rss (but
> > > not email watches). I guess that tiki code needs to be hacked in
> > order
> > > to add the feature from admin notificacions (watch by email all
> > > changes to wiki pages to the site) to "My Tiki > My Watches" in order
> > > to allow users to watch changes to the whole tiki by email.
> > >
> > > In case it helps such small "pointing"... (from a non-php coder)
> > >
> > > Xavi
> > >
> > > En/na Desilets, Alain ha escrit:
> > >> I want to configure my tiki site so users can say that they want to
> > >> be notified of any change made to any page on the site. How can I do
> > >> this? Pascal St-Jean and I have been looking for 20 mins now.
> > >>
> > >> I know that there is a permission tiki_p_admin_notifications. But
> > >> granting this permission to all registered users seems dangerous,
> > >> since it allows them to enable and disable notifications for all
> > >> users of the system.
> > >>
> > >> I also know about User Watches. They are enabled on the site. But it
> > >> does not seem to provide a way to globally watch all wiki pages.
> > >> If I go to the My Watches section, all I see is a list of pages that
> > >> I am watching. Nothing that would allow me to specify to watch a
> > >> whole site.
> > >>
> > >> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
> > >>
> > >> Thx.
> > >>
> > >> ----
> > >> Alain Désilets, MASc
> > >> Agent de recherches/Research Officer
> > >> Institut de technologie de l'information du CNRC / NRC Institute for
> > >> Information Technology
> > >>
> > >> alain.desilets@...
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> > >> Facsimile/télécopieur: [phone]
> > >>
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> > >> Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0R6 National Research Council Canada, M50, 1200
> > >> Montreal Rd., Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6
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[alain_desilets]

> > tiki-admin_notifications.php does allow and admin to register another
> user for notification of various events.
> >
> > What I am looking for is slightly different. I want users to be able
> to say themselves that they want to be notified of a particular event.
> And I don't want to grant all my users admin privileges.
> >
> > Hum... strangely enough, tiki-admin_notifications.php IS available to
> non-admins (in spite of what its name suggests).

> SG replied: Your user has tiki_p_admin_notifications. Take away the perms and it
> will work.

You're right. I must have enabled that preference at some point.

I have tested this on a fresh installation of trunk and verified that:
- By default, tiki_p_admin_notifications is not assigned to non-admins
- When that is the case, non-admins cannot access tiki-admin_notifications.php

That leaves the original problem I had which is how CAN registered users modify their Watches?

It definitely looks like we have a regression between earlier versions of Tiki and the current trunk. So I logged a bug report to tht effect.

Alain

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[Sylvie Greverend-3]

I checked in tiki3, tiki2, tiki1.9. The code was never there - I suppose
that the site you pseak about has custom code
Whatever I added the option and reinforce perm checking in trunk -
commit 22657
Hope it works....

On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 14:02 -0400, Desilets, Alain wrote:

> > > tiki-admin_notifications.php does allow and admin to register another
> > user for notification of various events.
> > >
> > > What I am looking for is slightly different. I want users to be able
> > to say themselves that they want to be notified of a particular event.
> > And I don't want to grant all my users admin privileges.
> > >
> > > Hum... strangely enough, tiki-admin_notifications.php IS available to
> > non-admins (in spite of what its name suggests).
>
> > SG replied: Your user has tiki_p_admin_notifications. Take away the perms and it
> > will work.
>
> You're right. I must have enabled that preference at some point.
>
> I have tested this on a fresh installation of trunk and verified that:
> - By default, tiki_p_admin_notifications is not assigned to non-admins
> - When that is the case, non-admins cannot access tiki-admin_notifications.php
>
> That leaves the original problem I had which is how CAN registered users modify their Watches?
>
> It definitely looks like we have a regression between earlier versions of Tiki and the current trunk. So I logged a bug report to tht effect.
>
> Alain
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[alain_desilets]

> I checked in tiki3, tiki2, tiki1.9. The code was never there - I
> suppose that the site you pseak about has custom code Whatever I added
> the option and reinforce perm checking in trunk - commit 22657 Hope it
> works....

Interesting. I KNOW that I managed to do this on other sites besides
JIAMCATT.

But then again, since most of my Tiki accounts have admin privileges, it
could be that I used the tiki-admin_notifications to add a particular
even notification, and that afterwards I was able to see it in the list
of events I could monitor in My Watches.

That's probably what happened. But of course, any user should be able to
ask to monitor a particular event without being admin. Thx for adding
this to the code of trunk.

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[Olaf-Michael Stefanov]

Dear TikiWiki Developers,
Dear JIAMCATT Wiki Admins,
Especially, Dear Sylvie, Dear Alain,
As probably the most central admin of the JIAMCATT Wiki and one the few who have access to the code I can state very clearly that THE CODE HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED with regard to any permissions or watch issues.
In fact, the only two code modifications have been in connection with Newletters and the addition of the plugin "Realnamelist".
The JIAMCATT site runs 3.1, not 3.0. It was upgraded from 2.6 at the end of May 2009 to 3.0 and again from 3.0 to 3.1 in early September (after we ran into an - as yet still unresolved problem where a user who has all rights in a discussion forum which also includes a file gallery can see the upload button but cannot upload from that button. (We've meanwhile determined that he can upload by used the function int he left menu.)
When I reported the bug a number of you, incl. I believe the Strassbourg group, suggested that we upgrade from 3.0 to 3.1 and that this might resolve the problem. It did not.

I'm very doubtful, Alain, that in the JIAMCATT wiki you set yourself rights without being an admin. You are and have always been an admin.

Given the production nature of the JIAMCATT wiki and the upcoming two meetings in Geneva a few weeks from now, I would prefer no one to try to upgrade this site without checking with me. Any upgrade must take place only immediately after a full backup has been successful and must be notified to the full admin group and a number of key JIAMCATT personnel first. The site may not be perfect but it runs and is being used by a global community of persons who rights expect it to be there and running. Any experiments should be carried out on copies.

olaf-michael stefanov (omstefanov)
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Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] How can I globally watch every change to everypage on a tiki site?
To: sgreverend@..., "Tikiwiki developers" <tikiwiki-devel@...>
Received: Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:51 PM

> I checked in tiki3, tiki2, tiki1.9. The code was never there - I
> suppose that the site you pseak about has custom code Whatever I added
> the option and reinforce perm checking in trunk - commit 22657 Hope it
> works....

Interesting. I KNOW that I managed to do this on other sites besides
JIAMCATT.

But then again, since most of my Tiki accounts have admin privileges, it
could be that I used the tiki-admin_notifications to add a particular
even notification, and that afterwards I was able to see it in the list
of events I could monitor in My Watches.

That's probably what happened. But of course, any user should be able to
ask to monitor a particular event without being admin. Thx for adding
this to the code of trunk.

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Hi!

This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More
systematic and more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's
prioritize things for our main profiles.

Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing 4.1?

Thanks!

M ;-)


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Desilets, Alain
<Alain.Desilets@...> wrote:

> Dear tiki users,
>
> As you may know, the Tiki development team will be releasing Tiki 4 soon:
>
>    http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4
>
> But much work needs to be done in the coming weeks to produce that release.
> One of those things is continuous testing, to help our developers make sure
> that they are always moving forward without breaking functionality that used
> to work before.
>
> THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN HELP!!!
>
> We are looking for 5 advanced Tiki users with admin experience who would be willing
> to put 1-3 hours per week over the course of two months, to test the 5 major Tiki
> profiles and make sure that they remain in good working condition throughout
> the release effort.
>
> Essentially, you would be responsible for testing one of those 5 profiles,
> once or twice a week, following detailed test scenarios and verifying that
> Tiki works as it should in those scenario. You would also report any
> discrepancy to the release team.
>
> An example of what we mean by test scenarios, is the following Test plan
> for the Collaborative Multilingual Terminology profile:
>
>   http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Collaborative_Multilingual_Terminology#Test_plan
>
> If you are interested in volunteering for this, or any other tasks related
> to Tiki 4 release, please contact me, or add your name and contact
> information to this page:
>
>  http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4
>
> Thank you,
>
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I'm in

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Hi!

This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More systematic and
more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's prioritize things for our
main profiles.

Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing 4.1?

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[alain_desilets]

I have an item on my todo list to touch base with the testing team this week. Will do that on Wed probably.

Alain

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Hi!

This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More
systematic and more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's
prioritize things for our main profiles.

Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing 4.1?

Thanks!

M ;-)


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Desilets, Alain
<Alain.Desilets@...> wrote:

> Dear tiki users,
>
> As you may know, the Tiki development team will be releasing Tiki 4 soon:
>
>    http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4
>
> But much work needs to be done in the coming weeks to produce that release.
> One of those things is continuous testing, to help our developers make sure
> that they are always moving forward without breaking functionality that used
> to work before.
>
> THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN HELP!!!
>
> We are looking for 5 advanced Tiki users with admin experience who would be willing
> to put 1-3 hours per week over the course of two months, to test the 5 major Tiki
> profiles and make sure that they remain in good working condition throughout
> the release effort.
>
> Essentially, you would be responsible for testing one of those 5 profiles,
> once or twice a week, following detailed test scenarios and verifying that
> Tiki works as it should in those scenario. You would also report any
> discrepancy to the release team.
>
> An example of what we mean by test scenarios, is the following Test plan
> for the Collaborative Multilingual Terminology profile:
>
>   http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Collaborative_Multilingual_Terminology#Test_plan
>
> If you are interested in volunteering for this, or any other tasks related
> to Tiki 4 release, please contact me, or add your name and contact
> information to this page:
>
>  http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alain Désilets
>
>
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Marc, when is 4.1 planned?

Alain

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Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing
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as soon as possible.

Let's give ourselves a 4.1 for X-mas!



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> Marc, when is 4.1 planned?
>
> Alain
>
> ----
>
> Hi!
>
> This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More systematic
> and more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's prioritize things
> for our main profiles.
>
> Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing
> 4.1?
>
> Thanks!
>
> M ;-)
>
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[Nyloth-2]

Hi all,

We (Quality Team) will handle the creation of the new proposed
branches this evening.  Pkdille and myself also planned to build 4.1
tarballs in the same time.

Cheers,
Nyloth

2009/12/15, Marc Laporte <marc@...>:

> as soon as possible.
>
> Let's give ourselves a 4.1 for X-mas!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Desilets, Alain
> <Alain.Desilets@...> wrote:
>> Marc, when is 4.1 planned?
>>
>> Alain
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More systematic
>> and more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's prioritize things
>> for our main profiles.
>>
>> Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing
>> 4.1?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> M ;-)
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And i'll be around so can help testing etc. See you later...

jb

On 15 Dec 2009, at 07:30, Nyloth wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We (Quality Team) will handle the creation of the new proposed
> branches this evening.  Pkdille and myself also planned to build 4.1
> tarballs in the same time.
>
> Cheers,
> Nyloth
>
> 2009/12/15, Marc Laporte <marc@...>:
>> as soon as possible.
>>
>> Let's give ourselves a 4.1 for X-mas!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Desilets, Alain
>> <Alain.Desilets@...> wrote:
>>> Marc, when is 4.1 planned?
>>>
>>> Alain
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More systematic
>>> and more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's prioritize things
>>> for our main profiles.
>>>
>>> Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing
>>> 4.1?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> M ;-)
>>>
>>>
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[Nyloth-2]

Hi all,

4.1 has been released (thanx pkdille) and is uploaded on sourceforge already :)
Jonny, thank you too - I only saw your mail a few minutes ago, but don't hesitate to test it a bit (even if we already tested it) and give us feedback !

Btw, I created branches/proposals/3.x (which now replaces branches/proposed) and branches/proposals/4.x which has to be used for minor enhancements and bugfixes for 4.x stable branch (as always, they have to be commited on trunk first, then proposed with the revision number)

We also plan to release 3.4 soon (in a few days I think)... :)

Cheers,
Nyloth

2009/12/15 Jonny Bradley <jonny@...>

And i'll be around so can help testing etc. See you later...

jb

On 15 Dec 2009, at 07:30, Nyloth wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We (Quality Team) will handle the creation of the new proposed
> branches this evening.  Pkdille and myself also planned to build 4.1
> tarballs in the same time.
>
> Cheers,
> Nyloth
>
> 2009/12/15, Marc Laporte <marc@...>:
>> as soon as possible.
>>
>> Let's give ourselves a 4.1 for X-mas!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Desilets, Alain
>> <Alain.Desilets@...> wrote:
>>> Marc, when is 4.1 planned?
>>>
>>> Alain
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More systematic
>>> and more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's prioritize things
>>> for our main profiles.
>>>
>>> Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing
>>> 4.1?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> M ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[Marc Laporte-3]

Excellent!  Thank you!

Alain: so the testing can go on Tiki 4.1!

And the fixes will go to proposed to be reviewed by the quality team for 4.2 :-)


M ;-)



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> Hi all,
>
> 4.1 has been released (thanx pkdille) and is uploaded on sourceforge already
> :)
> Jonny, thank you too - I only saw your mail a few minutes ago, but don't
> hesitate to test it a bit (even if we already tested it) and give us
> feedback !
>
> Btw, I created branches/proposals/3.x (which now replaces branches/proposed)
> and branches/proposals/4.x which has to be used for minor enhancements and
> bugfixes for 4.x stable branch (as always, they have to be commited on trunk
> first, then proposed with the revision number)
>
> We also plan to release 3.4 soon (in a few days I think)... :)
>
> Cheers,
> Nyloth
>
>
> 2009/12/15 Jonny Bradley <jonny@...>
>>
>> And i'll be around so can help testing etc. See you later...
>>
>> jb
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2009, at 07:30, Nyloth wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > We (Quality Team) will handle the creation of the new proposed
>> > branches this evening.  Pkdille and myself also planned to build 4.1
>> > tarballs in the same time.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Nyloth
>> >
>> > 2009/12/15, Marc Laporte <marc@...>:
>> >> as soon as possible.
>> >>
>> >> Let's give ourselves a 4.1 for X-mas!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Desilets, Alain
>> >> <Alain.Desilets@...> wrote:
>> >>> Marc, when is 4.1 planned?
>> >>>
>> >>> Alain
>> >>>
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>> >>> 4.1?
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>> >>>
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[Jonny Bradley-3]

Thanks Nyloth and pkdille - and well done for sorting the proposals out - i'll update the wiki pages later.


Testing the bz one - seems good, clean install went ok anyway...

I like the idea of the incremental release too (tikiwiki-inc-4.0-to-4.1.tar.gz) so i'm going to upgrade a 3.3 site to 4.0, then try it out.

So everybody - just to recap: no more direct commits to branches/4.x!!
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Please commit them and test in trunk first, then back-port to branches/proposals/4.x (and then branches/proposals/3.x if you want)

Apart from language files... (and no, i don't really understand how we synchronise these, but we'll try and work out a way!).

jonny


On 15 Dec 2009, at 23:09, Nyloth wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> 4.1 has been released (thanx pkdille) and is uploaded on sourceforge already :)
> Jonny, thank you too - I only saw your mail a few minutes ago, but don't hesitate to test it a bit (even if we already tested it) and give us feedback !
>
> Btw, I created branches/proposals/3.x (which now replaces branches/proposed) and branches/proposals/4.x which has to be used for minor enhancements and bugfixes for 4.x stable branch (as always, they have to be commited on trunk first, then proposed with the revision number)
>
> We also plan to release 3.4 soon (in a few days I think)... :)
>
> Cheers,
> Nyloth
>
>
> 2009/12/15 Jonny Bradley <jonny@...>
>
> And i'll be around so can help testing etc. See you later...
>
> jb
>
> On 15 Dec 2009, at 07:30, Nyloth wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We (Quality Team) will handle the creation of the new proposed
> > branches this evening.  Pkdille and myself also planned to build 4.1
> > tarballs in the same time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nyloth
> >
> > 2009/12/15, Marc Laporte <marc@...>:
> >> as soon as possible.
> >>
> >> Let's give ourselves a 4.1 for X-mas!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Desilets, Alain
> >> <Alain.Desilets@...> wrote:
> >>> Marc, when is 4.1 planned?
> >>>
> >>> Alain
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> This was a great enhancement over our previous releases. More systematic
> >>> and more focused. We can't fix everything, but let's prioritize things
> >>> for our main profiles.
> >>>
> >>> Can we reactivate this team for a round now, as we should be releasing
> >>> 4.1?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> M ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ------
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> >>> Google Enterprise Search pays you back
> >>> Get the facts.
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> >>
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