How far is 1000 words?

[solarwind]

How far does the "average" person's pen tip travel after writing words?

I want to know because I want to know how long a pen that claims it
can write for 2km will last me.

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[Brent Brown]

On 13 Oct 2009 at 18:42, solarwind wrote:
> How far does the "average" person's pen tip travel after writing words?
>
> I want to know because I want to know how long a pen that claims it
> can write for 2km will last me.

1000 words in uppercase is maybe twice the distance as lowercase. Or the
equivalent of 1 x picture.

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[Bob Blick-4]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:21 -0400, "solarwind"
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> How far does the "average" person's pen tip travel after writing words?
>
> I want to know because I want to know how long a pen that claims it
> can write for 2km will last me.


1 word = 0.01 meter

20000 words = 2 kilometers

Doesn't sound like much.

Cheers,

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[Vitaliy-14]

Bob Blick wrote:

>> How far does the "average" person's pen tip travel after writing words?
>>
>> I want to know because I want to know how long a pen that claims it
>> can write for 2km will last me.
>
>
> 1 word = 0.01 meter
>
> 20000 words = 2 kilometers
>
> Doesn't sound like much.

I think you're one digit off.

20,000 words * 0.01 m/word = 200 m.

Also, 1 cm/word sounds awfully short. I would guess it's more like 4
cm/word.

Vitaliy

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[Tamas Rudnai]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Vitaliy <piclist@...> wrote:

> Also, 1 cm/word sounds awfully short. I would guess it's more like 4
> cm/word.
>

...depending on how big letters you are using :-)

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[Marcel Birthelmer-2]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Tamas Rudnai <tamas.rudnai@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Vitaliy <piclist@...> wrote:
>
>> Also, 1 cm/word sounds awfully short. I would guess it's more like 4
>> cm/word.
>>
>
> ...depending on how big letters you are using :-)
>
> Tamas
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[Q Beukes]

I think when they say it can write 2km, they probably mean a straight
line? I figure so, because they would know how much ink gets released
per ball "roll", probably based on it's density or something, and thus
the ballsize would determine how many rolls it will take to clear the
volume of the ink. And with that they can calculate how many meters it
would take to empty the pen.

So I would say about 8mm/letter avg. and 5letters/word avg. so it's
about 4cm/word. With 100000cm per km that's 200000cm per 2km, thus
50000 words, give or take a few? I write an avg of 15 words per line,
with 31 lines/page that's 465 words per page, so the pen would
probably last me 107 pages, or 3.5x30page writing pads. Sounds quite
good.

Further I think it's just an advertising scam, since 2km sounds a lot.
The average pen doesn't last that long if you write a lot.

Quintin Beukes



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Marcel Birthelmer
<marcelb.lists@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Tamas Rudnai <tamas.rudnai@...> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Vitaliy <piclist@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, 1 cm/word sounds awfully short. I would guess it's more like 4
>>> cm/word.
>>>
>>
>> ...depending on how big letters you are using :-)
>>
>> Tamas
>>
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[M. Adam Davis-2]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Quintin Beukes <quintin@...> wrote:
> So I would say about 8mm/letter avg. and 5letters/word avg. so it's
> about 4cm/word. With 100000cm per km that's 200000cm per 2km, thus
> 50000 words, give or take a few?

Incidently, that's the number of words one writes for National Novel
Writing Month, which is November.

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[Bob Blick-4]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:35:19 -0700, "Vitaliy" <piclist@...>
said:
> Bob Blick wrote:
> > 1 word = 0.01 meter

> Also, 1 cm/word sounds awfully short.

Yes, I meant 0.1 meter. Average writing is probably somewhere in
between.

Cheers,

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[Kevin-40]

Hi,

does anyone know if common lawn tractor batteries are deep
discharge ? I want to use a 12 volt battery to power a
mobile robot. The two motorss I am using say the stall
current is 10 amps.

I am looking at the local pep boys and they have a decent
selection of lawn & tractor batteries. They also have a
resonably priced marine battery (I know that is deep
discharge ) and some motorcycle/atv batteries.

Are motorcycle/atv batteries deep discharge ?  I think they
are because they list the same battery for motorcycles/atvs/
and some electric scooters.

So my thinking is

Car Battery -- not deep discharge
Marine Battery -- Deep Discharge
ATV/Motorcycle -- Deep Discharge
Lawn Tractor -- Don't know ???

I am trying to find the best power to weight ratio in my
price range.

Thanks,
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[M.L.-2]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Kevin <kben@...> wrote:
>

>
> Car Battery -- not deep discharge
> Marine Battery -- Deep Discharge
> ATV/Motorcycle -- Deep Discharge
> Lawn Tractor -- Don't know ???
>
> I am trying to find the best power to weight ratio in my
> price range.
>

Batteries are really a "you get what you pay for" thing.
A marine battery is the only one that is rated as deep-discharge
(thicker plates)
Car/motorcycle/lawn tractor batteries are most assuredly not deep discharge.


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[Herbert Graf-5]

On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 12:17 -0400, Kevin wrote:

> Car Battery -- not deep discharge

Usually.

> Marine Battery -- Deep Discharge

Not always, you need to look at the particular battery, some are labeled
"starting battery", some deep discharge.

> ATV/Motorcycle -- Deep Discharge

Again, not always (in fact in my experience not often).

> Lawn Tractor -- Don't know ???

If it doesn't say on the battery then you have to get the spec for the
battery.

TTYL

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[Q Beukes]

Don't know how it works, but does the motor of the tracker drive off
it, or is it a fossil fuel engine and the battery is used to start it?

Quintin Beukes



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Herbert Graf <hkgraf@...> wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 12:17 -0400, Kevin wrote:
>
>> Car Battery -- not deep discharge
>
> Usually.
>
>> Marine Battery -- Deep Discharge
>
> Not always, you need to look at the particular battery, some are labeled
> "starting battery", some deep discharge.
>
>> ATV/Motorcycle -- Deep Discharge
>
> Again, not always (in fact in my experience not often).
>
>> Lawn Tractor -- Don't know ???
>
> If it doesn't say on the battery then you have to get the spec for the
> battery.
>
> TTYL
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[John Gardner-3]

The thicker the plates, the better.  Actually "deep-discharge" is something
of a misnomer - Discharging a cell to say, 20% of capacity is just as
harmful in a "deep-discharge" cell as an "Auto" cell - It just takes longer,
and the deep-dischg cell will tolerate more deep cycles because the plates
are thicker.

Runners-up are "traction batteries", "marine batteries", "golf-cart batteries".

You may not get what you pay for, but you surely won't get what you don't pay
for - As someone mentioned, price is a good index. deep-discharge batteries
are expensive.

A good source for cheap lead-acid cells is medical equipment - Quality stuff,
generally maintained on trickle-charge for their tour (usually two years), and
then replaced. These can be in near-new condition, if you can get them before
they've sat on some surplus dealer's shelf for years...
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[Kevin-40]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Quintin Beukes wrote:

Fossil fuel, so I am guessing it's not a deep discharge.

> Don't know how it works, but does the motor of the tracker drive off
> it, or is it a fossil fuel engine and the battery is used to start it?
>
> Quintin Beukes
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Herbert Graf <hkgraf@...> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 12:17 -0400, Kevin wrote:
>>
>>> Car Battery -- not deep discharge
>>
>> Usually.
>>
>>> Marine Battery -- Deep Discharge
>>
>> Not always, you need to look at the particular battery, some are labeled
>> "starting battery", some deep discharge.
>>
>>> ATV/Motorcycle -- Deep Discharge
>>
>> Again, not always (in fact in my experience not often).
>>
>>> Lawn Tractor -- Don't know ???
>>
>> If it doesn't say on the battery then you have to get the spec for the
>> battery.
>>
>> TTYL
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[Q Beukes]

Not necessarily.

I might be mistaken, but iirc they use non-deepcharge batteries for
starters because it can handle the large "current requests" better. If
there is no such benefit over deep charge, I guess it's possible to be
either, though more likely to be non-deepcharge since it would be less
costly to ship with a manufacture.


Quintin Beukes



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Kevin <kben@...> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Quintin Beukes wrote:
>
> Fossil fuel, so I am guessing it's not a deep discharge.
>
>> Don't know how it works, but does the motor of the tracker drive off
>> it, or is it a fossil fuel engine and the battery is used to start it?
>>
>> Quintin Beukes
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Herbert Graf <hkgraf@...> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 12:17 -0400, Kevin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Car Battery -- not deep discharge
>>>
>>> Usually.
>>>
>>>> Marine Battery -- Deep Discharge
>>>
>>> Not always, you need to look at the particular battery, some are labeled
>>> "starting battery", some deep discharge.
>>>
>>>> ATV/Motorcycle -- Deep Discharge
>>>
>>> Again, not always (in fact in my experience not often).
>>>
>>>> Lawn Tractor -- Don't know ???
>>>
>>> If it doesn't say on the battery then you have to get the spec for the
>>> battery.
>>>
>>> TTYL
>>>
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[Don McKenzie]

Brent Brown wrote:

1000 words in uppercase is maybe twice the distance as lowercase. Or the
equivalent of 1 x picture.

Correct, therefore:
one Word is only worth a milli-picture.
:-)

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[Marcel Birthelmer-2]

> Correct, therefore:
> one Word is only worth a milli-picture.
> :-)
>

Which reminds me of 1 milli-Helen, the amount of beauty necessary to
launch a single ship. More at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement .
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[Marcel Birthelmer-2]

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humorous_units_of_measurement

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Marcel Birthelmer
<marcelb.lists@...> wrote:
>> Correct, therefore:
>> one Word is only worth a milli-picture.
>> :-)
>>
>
> Which reminds me of 1 milli-Helen, the amount of beauty necessary to
> launch a single ship. More at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement .
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[Jinx-4]

> Which reminds me of 1 milli-Helen

Should include Demetri Martin's "millivanillisecond", the length of
time that lip-synching duo were popular

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