load makes an ajax call and returns the results to an element. If you
Let me apologize. It does NOT represent the vast majority of programmers
I hope this was of help to you. It is hard finding good examples
> Hey Rick,
>
> I've taken the point for my reply in this other discussion, and I
> admit the attitude there wasn't attuned to the situation. My bad.
>
> Here's another situation altogether.
>
> I hope you won't mind me skipping the psychoanalysis too, because I
> hardly think I'm being abusive as a rule, and I guess in our line of
> work most of us get patronized every now and then (and that's what I
> meant by "fair share", I may have misused that expression if in this
> context it can't mean "the share anyone in my line of works normally
> receives") and even if that may hurt one's pride for a second if one
> takes the time to listen to the content one might stumble upon the
> solution to the problem one's been asking about in the first place.
> That was the point of my argumentation here, not to pretend I've been
> badly abused and would like a hug. And even though I don't enjoy the
> feeling of being patronized, I often enjoyed the resulting knowledge
> and even go as far as thanking the "patronizer" after I've got the point.
>
> So I've taken the point and will try to be nicer (in fact if you
> riffle through mails I've posted *before I've been flamed by Chris*
> you may notice I'm one to reply to newbie questions and usually
> pointing to the right page of the documentation to help the person go
> further when it helps).
>
> Michel Belleville
>
>
> 2009/11/6 Rick Faircloth <
Rick@...
> <mailto:
Rick@...>>
>
> Michel commented:
>
>
>
> “I get patronized my fait share in my job, and sometimes I feel
> bad about it”
>
>
>
> Now we know the root of your attitude problem.
>
>
>
> The first step in your recovery as an abusive person is to
> understand that you
>
> are doing the same to others here (thankfully, you haven’t been on
> the very long
>
> as far as I can tell or you would have helped destroy it) as
> others do to you at work,
>
> and to understand how that makes you feel: “I feel bad about it”…
>
>
>
> I don’t think you enjoy how others at your place of employment
> make you feel,
>
> so realize that your remarks make others on this list feel exactly
> as you do when
>
> mistreated by your co-workers.
>
>
>
> You would do **very** well to start trying to “treat others as you
> would like to be treated.”
>
>
>
> Assistance on the list, if it has to be dished up with bad
> attitude, isn’t welcome.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michel Belleville [mailto:
michel.belleville@...
> <mailto:
michel.belleville@...>]
> *Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2009 8:50 AM
> *To:*
jquery-en@... <mailto:
jquery-en@...>
> *Subject:* Re: [jQuery] Re: How to avoid page refresh with jquery
> in typo3 ?
>
>
>
> Hey Gerrit,
>
> I get what you're saying, and I basically agree with you that you
> don't need to be an engineer to do a bit of hacking (I merely
> pointed to documentation that would have taken him two hours top
> investigating, I hardly call that becoming an engineer even in a
> field as small as jQuery), and that asking the question right is
> important. I also agree that someone asking you a question should
> respect you, if not out of regards to your knowledge and skills,
> at the very least because you've spend time to actually read and
> write down an answer to his question, even though you feel
> patronized by the answer (and who wouldn't feel patronized when he
> gets and answer that basically says : here's what you should do).
>
> That's not what my answer is about.
>
> I get patronized my fait share in my job, and sometimes I feel bad
> about it, especially when the patronizer is right, and that's
> because it almost invariably happens when I didn't do the job in
> the first place. So in that case, the first thing I do is ask
> myself "what if I did what the guy tells me ?". Typically I then
> do that, and usually it just works, and I feel better afterwards.
> What I try to never do when I feel patronized is insult the person
> that just made me feel that way, for two reasons. First because
> sometimes the patronizer is right, and I'll act like a fool or a
> hypocrite trying to argue the point beyond being proven wrong.
> Second because whining won't help me anyway.
>
> So Chris, when you ask the question wrong to the wrong people, at
> least don't get surprised to be patronized, especially since if
> your real desire is to have all the "nitty gritty" put out of the
> way by someone else. If you want to be allowed to whine when
> things don't work, either whine to yourself or pay someone to be
> whined on (that usually works well in the software industry
> provided you've got money to spare).
>
> Then again Gerrit, I didn't feel insulted by you, you've been
> quite decent and tactful and I respect you for that, plus I concur
> that using a plugin that does just what you need is fine, provided
> said plugin exists.
>
> I also guess that this has gotten into something nasty, and
> neither was that my intention (though I'm not afraid to get into
> nasty territory once in a while when I cross answers displaying
> the attitude Chris gratified us with earlier ; when asses needs to
> be kicked don't mind me if I get my boots on), but you're not to
> blame in any way here.
>
> Michel Belleville
>
> 2009/11/6 Gerrit Kuilder <
gerrit.undefined@...
> <mailto:
gerrit.undefined@...>>
>
> Hi Michel,
>
> In another email I already said that asking the right question
> will make it easier to get the right question.
>
> So if Chris had asked for the right screwdriver to replace a
> window the answer might have been different, it would have shown
> that Chris knew enough about engineering that he needed a
> screwdriver. He just wanted to be pointed to the right one by the
> engineers, because sometimes all you need is to replace a window
> and you don't need to know how to build a whole house. He (and I)
> just need another window to fit with the interior where he wants
> (or needs) to spend his precious time on.
>
> I have been using jquery plugins because I need to get a job done,
> I need to spend my time on that job.
>
> I have been doing a fair bit of programming in various languages
> and have been using 'plugins' (Pm's, classes, jquery plugins) to
> avoid spending/wasting time on some nitty gritty details. I need
> to spend/waste time on other nitty gritty details and the sooner I
> get to the required end result the better.
>
> That means I have been using/abusing other people's knowledge and
> skills, so I have time to acquire knowledge and skills that can be
> used/abused by other people.
>
> Please don't see this as disrespect for you or your knowledge and
> skills.
> I actually respect the K and S, using a plugin makes sure that I
> get the best and right tools and don't use something full of my
> own errors.
> I came to this mailinglist because of a problem I have with a
> plugin (or 2), and the developer(s) ask on their websites to post
> questions here.
>
> I also think this gets into something nasty, this was not my
> intention at all. If I offended you it was unintentionally and in
> that case I apologize.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gerrit
>
>
> On 11/06/2009 12:21 PM, Michel Belleville wrote:
>
> 2009/11/6 Gerrit Kuilder <
gerrit.undefined@...
> <mailto:
gerrit.undefined@...>>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I understand your frustration, it is like asking how to replace a
> window and being told to become an engineer first.
>
>
> You don't need to become an engineer before you're changing a
> window, but if you don't know how to use a screwdriver and where
> to get a spare window I guess you should start there anyway, it
> won't take as much time as to get an engineer's degree I assure
> you. It may very well be frustrating to start with the little
> wheels on a little country road before you're trying to bike your
> way through a car crowded city on rush hour, but still my advice
> is to start with the little wheels and the little country road.
>
>
> I also am a mere consumer of jquery and have been frustrated
> by finding the right stuff, trying to get it to work and
> finding out later that the results are not what I was looking for.
> Especially the lack of a very basic sample that shows the code
> working can be a nightmare, you can waste hours.
>
>
> Consider this : how better is it to "waste" (I'd rather write
> "spend") a few hours learning the basics then work your way up to
> the solutions more easily and confidently because you at least
> know what it's about, rather than "spend" (and here I really mean
> "waste") the same amount of hours googling over-specific wild
> goose chases or banging your head on your keyboard repeatedly
> because what you've found and tried does not in fact do anything
> close to what you wanted in the first place ?
>
> I know I'd rather "waste" my time doing the tutorials, but it's up
> to you. And there's no lack of very basic sample, you're just not
> looking for a very basic sample here, you're looking for a
> readymade solution. When you're not finding a readymade solution,
> you can either develop your own (which requires knowing the tools
> if not the trade) or buy someone's time to work it up for you, or
> let it go and do something else entirely until someone has had the
> same problem and developped a solution for you, but it may be some
> time before that happens.
>
> Off my soapbox onto your issue:
> Taconite
http://jquery.malsup.com/taconite/ might do what you
> want to do: reloading/replacing parts of a page without the
> need to load the whole page, this comes with good examples and
> documentation.
>
> One thing you have to be aware off is that the data passed
> back to the page has to be XML/XHTML, opening the link in a
> new window in firefox is a good way to check if this is the
> case, and you should use utf8 , so no but the utf
> version of it (I hope you don't mind one more Google for that
> ;-) )
>
>
> This might be an interesting solution to some problems, though
> it'll require learning taconite's syntax as well as basic jQuery
> to get the hooks on the app. So getting started with jQuery will
> still be a good idea.
>
>
>
> Michel Belleville
>
>
>
>
>
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