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	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Frederic Da Vitoria :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message 2009/4/3 Bram van Dijk <bram_van_dijk@...> Now we have two different things into the discussion: 1. Do we want to allow people to delete suspected homebrew discID's 2. Do we want to have homebrew discID's On the first point there seems to be a consensus that we do not want to delete any discID's, as we can never be 100% certain whether it is a homebrew or not. As for the second point, I am agains allowing homebrew discID's, it would result in hundreds of discID's for popular releases, most of which are only usefull for the person who added it. Musicbrainz does also not allow homemade compilations for exactly this reason, any data in the database should be relevant for other people too. I am not sure technically but shouldn't two homebrew copies of the same CD be identical? If so, at worst, we would have one homebrew for each authentic release. Not very satisfying, but definitely not comparable to the nightmare of incorporating homemade compilations! -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Gecks :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message AFAIK, homebrew CD-IDs are different per source (eg if they were burnt from MP3s, or wav, or a clone of the original), per burning software, per inserted gaps (2 second gaps are typical but most software lets you choose the length, if any), per burner (i think, not entirely sure). as far as i know, a CD-ID is unique to the software and hardware setup at the time of the burn, unless you actually do a CD to CD copy of an existing CD (homebrew or otherwise), but i'm not totally sure about that. by the way, i think an important point is that by 'homebrew' we mean a one-off CDr some guy has burnt, not CDr releases in general. Eg, a CDr release by an artist will typically be burnt on the same burner, from the same source, etc, so all the CD-IDs for that run will be the same. it's the one-off CDrs that are the problem, not CDrs in general. 2009/4/3 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>: > 2009/4/3 Bram van Dijk <bram_van_dijk@...> >> >> Now we have two different things into the discussion: >> 1. Do we want to allow people to delete suspected homebrew discID's >> 2. Do we want to have homebrew discID's >> >> On the first point there seems to be a consensus that we do not want to >> delete any discID's, >> as we can never be 100% certain whether it is a homebrew or not. >> >> As for the second point, I am agains allowing homebrew discID's, >> it would result in hundreds of discID's for popular releases, >> most of which are only usefull for the person who added it. >> >> Musicbrainz does also not allow homemade compilations for exactly this >> reason, >> any data in the database should be relevant for other people too. > > I am not sure technically but shouldn't two homebrew copies of the same CD > be identical? If so, at worst, we would have one homebrew for each authentic > release. Not very satisfying, but definitely not comparable to the nightmare > of incorporating homemade compilations! > > -- > Frederic Da Vitoria > (davitof) > > Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - > http://www.april.org > > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-users mailing list > MusicBrainz-users@... > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users > _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Frederic Da Vitoria :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Ok, then I'd say we should continue to refuse homebrews. But since we don't have any sure way to recognize them, I guess we won't be able to do much better than say we don't want them ;-) 2009/4/3 Chris B <chris@...> AFAIK, homebrew CD-IDs are different per source (eg if they were burnt from MP3s, or wav, or a clone of the original), per burning software, per inserted gaps (2 second gaps are typical but most software lets you choose the length, if any), per burner (i think, not entirely sure). as far as i know, a CD-ID is unique to the software and hardware setup at the time of the burn, unless you actually do a CD to CD copy of an existing CD (homebrew or otherwise), but i'm not totally sure about that. by the way, i think an important point is that by 'homebrew' we mean a one-off CDr some guy has burnt, not CDr releases in general. Eg, a CDr release by an artist will typically be burnt on the same burner, from the same source, etc, so all the CD-IDs for that run will be the same. it's the one-off CDrs that are the problem, not CDrs in general. 2009/4/3 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>: > 2009/4/3 Bram van Dijk <bram_van_dijk@...> >> >> Now we have two different things into the discussion: >> 1. Do we want to allow people to delete suspected homebrew discID's >> 2. Do we want to have homebrew discID's >> >> On the first point there seems to be a consensus that we do not want to >> delete any discID's, >> as we can never be 100% certain whether it is a homebrew or not. >> >> As for the second point, I am agains allowing homebrew discID's, >> it would result in hundreds of discID's for popular releases, >> most of which are only usefull for the person who added it. >> >> Musicbrainz does also not allow homemade compilations for exactly this >> reason, >> any data in the database should be relevant for other people too. > > I am not sure technically but shouldn't two homebrew copies of the same CD > be identical? If so, at worst, we would have one homebrew for each authentic > release. Not very satisfying, but definitely not comparable to the nightmare > of incorporating homemade compilations! -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Paul Jarvis-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message How about some sort of 'verified' type thing editors can tag onto official CD pressings (possibly in the same vein as data quality), with other unverified DiscIDs that have been submitted tucked away somewhere (maybe in a collapsed list or something)? Whilst this doesn't disallow homebrews (or explicitly allow them as such), this would promote 'genuine' discs up a ladder of recognition. Just thinking aloud though :S Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > Ok, then I'd say we should continue to refuse homebrews. But since we > don't have any sure way to recognize them, I guess we won't be able to > do much better than say we don't want them ;-) _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Frederic Da Vitoria :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message High Data Quality applied to a DiscId :-) 2009/4/6 Paul Jarvis <jarvo85@...> How about some sort of 'verified' type thing editors can tag onto official CD pressings (possibly in the same vein as data quality), with other unverified DiscIDs that have been submitted tucked away somewhere (maybe in a collapsed list or something)? Whilst this doesn't disallow homebrews (or explicitly allow them as such), this would promote 'genuine' discs up a ladder of recognition. Just thinking aloud though :S Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > Ok, then I'd say we should continue to refuse homebrews. But since we > don't have any sure way to recognize them, I guess we won't be able to > do much better than say we don't want them ;-) -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Atedos-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Well, now, how far will this go? I most suggestions don't pass further MailingList discussion. Should we create a ticket on BugTracker or perhaps a suggestion on UserVoice? _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Atedos-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message *I mean most suggestions don't pass further MailingList discussion. 2009/4/10 Atedos <atedos@...> Well, now, how far will this go? I most suggestions don't pass further MailingList discussion. Should we create a ticket on BugTracker or perhaps a suggestion on UserVoice? _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Frederic Da Vitoria :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message UserVoice, good idea I think. 2009/4/10 Atedos <atedos@...> *I mean most suggestions don't pass further MailingList discussion. 2009/4/10 Atedos <atedos@...> Well, now, how far will this go? I most suggestions don't pass further MailingList discussion. Should we create a ticket on BugTracker or perhaps a suggestion on UserVoice? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users
	Re: How to recognize homebrew discids by Atedos-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Here it goes. http://musicbrainz.uservoice.com/pages/general/suggestions/161760-warning-on-discid-submitting 2009/4/11 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...> UserVoice, good idea I think. 2009/4/10 Atedos <atedos@...> *I mean most suggestions don't pass further MailingList discussion. 2009/4/10 Atedos <atedos@...> Well, now, how far will this go? I most suggestions don't pass further MailingList discussion. Should we create a ticket on BugTracker or perhaps a suggestion on UserVoice? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-users mailing list MusicBrainz-users@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-users

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