IBM 6262

[Gregg C Levine-2]

Hello!
According to a thread on IBVM today the 6262 is a rather old beastie. Can
we, ah, add one of those to our original VM/370rel6 configuration file?

Or is this particular printer too new for VM/370rel6?
--
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
 

[Dave Wade]

It does not appear to be in the RDEVICE Marco so I assume it not supported
by VM/370R6 unless it can be genned as something else similar ...

Dave
G4UGM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: H390-VM@...
> [mailto:H390-VM@...] On Behalf Of Gregg C Levine
> Sent: 30 October 2009 03:04
> To: H390-VM@...
> Subject: [H390-VM] IBM 6262
>
>
> Hello!
> According to a thread on IBVM today the 6262 is a rather old
> beastie. Can we, ah, add one of those to our original
> VM/370rel6 configuration file?
>
> Or is this particular printer too new for VM/370rel6?
> --
> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
> "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Tony Harminc]

2009/10/30 Dave Wade <g4ugm@...>:
> It does not appear to be in the RDEVICE Marco so I assume it not supported by VM/370R6 unless it can be genned as something else similar ...

Isn't this the printer that was a recycled 1403, with a 3211-style FCB
added to replace the carriage tape? If so, it would be a 3211 as far
as the interface goes.

Tony H.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: H390-VM@...
>> [mailto:H390-VM@...] On Behalf Of Gregg C Levine
>> Sent: 30 October 2009 03:04
>> To: H390-VM@...
>> Subject: [H390-VM] IBM 6262
>>
>>
>> Hello!
>> According to a thread on IBVM today the 6262 is a rather old
>> beastie. Can we, ah, add one of those to our original
>> VM/370rel6 configuration file?
>>
>> Or is this particular printer too new for VM/370rel6?

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:36:31PM -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:

> Isn't this the printer that was a recycled 1403, with a 3211-style
> FCB added to replace the carriage tape? If so, it would be a 3211 as
> far as the interface goes.

The shop I work at still has two 6262s in service.  Once is channel
attached, bus & tag believe it or not, to our mainframe and the other
is twinax attached to our AS/400.  The look something like:

http://www.lordsnet.com/vendors/IBM/Printers/IBM_6262_Line_Printer.html

It appears to be known to our system as a 4248:

d u,,,710,1                                  
  IEE457I 16.15.09 UNIT STATUS 313
  UNIT TYPE STATUS        VOLSER     VOLSTATE
  0710 4248 A

The 6262 attached to the AS/400 was here when I started a little over
a decade ago.  The other was brought in some time later, purchased as
a used printer, to replace a pair of 4245s.  Both 6262s are about to
be retired now that we've finally converted the last of our special
forms, except for checks and some occasional labels, to laser.



--

Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!

[pfg504]

There were several printers from IBM that were used to replace the 1403/3211. The 6262 and the 4248 both fall into that category. There were some differences namely in the print train or band configuration. Some customers are still using impact printers because of the stock that is being printed. For example, the vehicle license plate stickers that are affixed to the new registration form. These are difficult to be sent through a cut sheet printer.

As new printers were developed, IBM added support for different attachments including coax, twin-ax, bus/tag and later ethernet.

The VM370 system does not know about the newer printers.

The 6262 is nothing like a 1403... The train was replaced with a band, the FCB is soft, not paper, it has an integrated controller, etc.

Paul



--- In H390-VM@..., Kevin Monceaux <Kevin@...> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:36:31PM -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> > Isn't this the printer that was a recycled 1403, with a 3211-style
> > FCB added to replace the carriage tape? If so, it would be a 3211 as
> > far as the interface goes.
>
> The shop I work at still has two 6262s in service.  Once is channel
> attached, bus & tag believe it or not, to our mainframe and the other
> is twinax attached to our AS/400.  The look something like:
>
> http://www.lordsnet.com/vendors/IBM/Printers/IBM_6262_Line_Printer.html
>
> It appears to be known to our system as a 4248:
>
> d u,,,710,1                                  
>   IEE457I 16.15.09 UNIT STATUS 313
>   UNIT TYPE STATUS        VOLSER     VOLSTATE
>   0710 4248 A
>
> The 6262 attached to the AS/400 was here when I started a little over
> a decade ago.  The other was brought in some time later, purchased as
> a used printer, to replace a pair of 4245s.  Both 6262s are about to
> be retired now that we've finally converted the last of our special
> forms, except for checks and some occasional labels, to laser.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kevin
> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> Bruceville, TX
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
> Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
>

[Gregg C Levine-2]

Hello!
I quite agree Paul.
And in the original note about this, I mentioned that VM/370 would not
probably contain support for this beast, but that say VM/ESA (any version)
probably would. Or whatever the next release of VM afterwards would also.

--
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
"The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: H390-VM@... [mailto:H390-VM@...] On Behalf
Of
> pfg504
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:32 PM
> To: H390-VM@...
> Subject: [H390-VM] Re: IBM 6262
>
> There were several printers from IBM that were used to replace the
1403/3211. The 6262
> and the 4248 both fall into that category. There were some differences
namely in the print
> train or band configuration. Some customers are still using impact
printers because of the
> stock that is being printed. For example, the vehicle license plate
stickers that are affixed to
> the new registration form. These are difficult to be sent through a cut
sheet printer.
>
> As new printers were developed, IBM added support for different
attachments including
> coax, twin-ax, bus/tag and later ethernet.
>
> The VM370 system does not know about the newer printers.
>
> The 6262 is nothing like a 1403... The train was replaced with a band, the
FCB is soft, not

> paper, it has an integrated controller, etc.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> --- In H390-VM@..., Kevin Monceaux <Kevin@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:36:31PM -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't this the printer that was a recycled 1403, with a 3211-style
> > > FCB added to replace the carriage tape? If so, it would be a 3211 as
> > > far as the interface goes.
> >
> > The shop I work at still has two 6262s in service.  Once is channel
> > attached, bus & tag believe it or not, to our mainframe and the other
> > is twinax attached to our AS/400.  The look something like:
> >
> > http://www.lordsnet.com/vendors/IBM/Printers/IBM_6262_Line_Printer.html
> >
> > It appears to be known to our system as a 4248:
> >
> > d u,,,710,1
> >   IEE457I 16.15.09 UNIT STATUS 313
> >   UNIT TYPE STATUS        VOLSER     VOLSTATE
> >   0710 4248 A
> >
> > The 6262 attached to the AS/400 was here when I started a little over
> > a decade ago.  The other was brought in some time later, purchased as
> > a used printer, to replace a pair of 4245s.  Both 6262s are about to
> > be retired now that we've finally converted the last of our special
> > forms, except for checks and some occasional labels, to laser.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kevin
> > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > Bruceville, TX
> >
> > Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
> > Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!

[Tony Harminc]

2009/10/31 pfg504 <pfg504@...>:

> The 6262 is nothing like a 1403... The train was replaced with a band, the FCB is soft, not paper, it has an integrated controller, etc.

Right. But there was an IBM printer that was built from returned
(off-lease) 1403 N1s, with the paper carriage tape replaced by an FCB.
Essentially a slower 3211. I had thought that was the 6262, but it
must be some other number.

Tony H.

[au1john]

The 3203 used the 1403 print trains but had an FCB. I first saw one in 1978
attached to a 3138 (370/138).

[Dave Wade]

Greg,

Older versions of VM than ESA contain support for the 3262. I certainly used
one on a 4331 or 4361 when I was working on Network/VM for IBM (as company
not me personally), and before that we had a 4248 on the system I worked at
in NERC (www.nerc.ac.uk). The system at NERC started out on HPO4.2 I think,
and whilst I was paid to work on VM I never saw any thing later thing later
than SP6. I guess it came in some time through the life of SP but as the
only announcement letter I have is for SP5 and we don't have manuals for
older versions, its hard to say when it was introduced.

http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=3262&ft=PROB&args=3262#hit

Contains some notes about the issues with the remote use of these when
equipped with a co-ax  socket for use on a 3174...

Dave
G4UGM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: H390-VM@...
> [mailto:H390-VM@...] On Behalf Of Gregg C Levine
> Sent: 01 November 2009 03:22
> To: H390-VM@...
> Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Re: IBM 6262
>
>
> Hello!
> I quite agree Paul.
> And in the original note about this, I mentioned that VM/370
> would not probably contain support for this beast, but that
> say VM/ESA (any version) probably would. Or whatever the next
> release of VM afterwards would also.
>
> --
> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
> "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
>  
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: H390-VM@... [mailto:H390-VM@...] On
> > Behalf
> Of
> > pfg504
> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:32 PM
> > To: H390-VM@...
> > Subject: [H390-VM] Re: IBM 6262
> >
> > There were several printers from IBM that were used to replace the
> 1403/3211. The 6262
> > and the 4248 both fall into that category. There were some
> differences
> namely in the print
> > train or band configuration. Some customers are still using impact
> printers because of the
> > stock that is being printed. For example, the vehicle license plate
> stickers that are affixed to
> > the new registration form. These are difficult to be sent through a
> > cut
> sheet printer.
> >
> > As new printers were developed, IBM added support for different
> attachments including
> > coax, twin-ax, bus/tag and later ethernet.
> >
> > The VM370 system does not know about the newer printers.
> >
> > The 6262 is nothing like a 1403... The train was replaced
> with a band,
> > the
> FCB is soft, not
> > paper, it has an integrated controller, etc.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In H390-VM@..., Kevin Monceaux <Kevin@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:36:31PM -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > >
> > > > Isn't this the printer that was a recycled 1403, with a
> 3211-style
> > > > FCB added to replace the carriage tape? If so, it would
> be a 3211
> > > > as far as the interface goes.
> > >
> > > The shop I work at still has two 6262s in service.  Once
> is channel
> > > attached, bus & tag believe it or not, to our mainframe and the
> > > other is twinax attached to our AS/400.  The look something like:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.lordsnet.com/vendors/IBM/Printers/IBM_6262_Line_Printer.h
> > > tml
> > >
> > > It appears to be known to our system as a 4248:
> > >
> > > d u,,,710,1
> > >   IEE457I 16.15.09 UNIT STATUS 313
> > >   UNIT TYPE STATUS        VOLSER     VOLSTATE
> > >   0710 4248 A
> > >
> > > The 6262 attached to the AS/400 was here when I started a little
> > > over a decade ago.  The other was brought in some time later,
> > > purchased as a used printer, to replace a pair of 4245s.  
> Both 6262s
> > > are about to be retired now that we've finally converted
> the last of
> > > our special forms, except for checks and some occasional
> labels, to
> > > laser.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > > Bruceville, TX
> > >
> > > Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
> > > Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[au1john]

Gregg initially asked about 6262, not 3262, support.

With respect to the 3262, my experience was in an environment when it was
connected to a 3276 or a 3274 as SNA LU1, and then MVS so it is drifting OT
for VM.
We just saw/treated the 3262 as any LU1 printer. 3287, 3289 or 3262 made no
difference, in fact the devices were often interchanged in the test
environment (which co-ax will we connect this time?) with only the
dot-matrix output of the 3287 being the only noticeable difference.

[paoloG]

--- In H390-VM@..., "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon@...> wrote:

>
> Hello!
> According to a thread on IBVM today the 6262 is a rather old beastie. Can
> we, ah, add one of those to our original VM/370rel6 configuration file?
>
> Or is this particular printer too new for VM/370rel6?
> --
> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
> "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
>  
>

IBM 6262 isn't an enough 'old beastie' to be supported by VM/370rel6, as it was introduced by IBM in 1988.
I looked into other VM releases and till VM/ESA 2.40 it was still unsupported (according to some rumours it was supported as a 4248, but I could not test it, because Hercules supports only 1403 and 3211 printers).

Regards