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Re: dubstep

2009-12-20T11:45:42Z

My first exposure to the plethora of dubstep tutorials was one by rusko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rDC1kuHtc

IMO the finished track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7eEE-L8cu0) is crap, there's a really bad dnb second half. but not a terrible tutorial on making music with fruity loops.

i'm a big user of reaktor but i'm relatively new to it (discovered it about a year ago), so watching tutorials on performing synthesis and making effects with reaktor or max are always very helpful. sometimes i'm hard pressed to find a decent production video, mostly the crap comes first.

--- On Sun, 12/20/09, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:

From: Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
Subject: Re: [idm]
dubstep
To: "Basma O" <basma.o@...>
Cc: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>, idm@...
Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 10:16 AM

i am actually watching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqDYfClwG2w

dubstep tutorial by some kinda ... well. dorky english guy :) its
just funny to listen to him say 'dubstep' with his cute accent
anyways
i used to avoid these tutorials because i felt like a retard watching
them but lately i have been watching ableton, max/msp etc tutorials
and getting all kinds of ideas and learning shit i can use in any
program/style
you have to wade through alot of crap you already know or arent
interested in but every one of these vids showing someone else
working, youll see them doing stuff thats not even part of the
tutorial maybe and its just like 'oh
shit, thats a great idea!'

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Basma O <basma.o@...> wrote:
> yes! :D
>
> i really liked 2562, didnt think it was dubstep!?
>
>> i feel like if idm wanted to, 'we' could co-opt 2562 and Burial and
>> call them idm and dubsteppers can fuck off :)
>

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Re: dubstep

2009-12-20T10:16:50Z

i am actually watching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqDYfClwG2w

dubstep tutorial by some kinda ... well. dorky english guy :) its
just funny to listen to him say 'dubstep' with his cute accent
anyways
i used to avoid these tutorials because i felt like a retard watching
them but lately i have been watching ableton, max/msp etc tutorials
and getting all kinds of ideas and learning shit i can use in any
program/style
you have to wade through alot of crap you already know or arent
interested in but every one of these vids showing someone else
working, youll see them doing stuff thats not even part of the
tutorial maybe and its just like 'oh shit, thats a great idea!'

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Basma O <basma.o@...> wrote:
> yes! :D
>
> i really liked 2562, didnt think it was dubstep!?
>
>> i feel like if idm wanted to, 'we' could co-opt 2562 and Burial and
>> call them idm and dubsteppers can fuck off :)
>

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Re: dubstep

2009-12-20T06:09:23Z

yes! :D

i really liked 2562, didnt think it was dubstep!?

> i feel like if idm wanted to, 'we' could co-opt 2562 and Burial and
> call them idm and dubsteppers can fuck off :)

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RE: dubstep

2009-12-19T16:59:06Z

For me, some of the very best stuff comes out when you have an audience that actually goes mad for crazier or weirder or deeper stuff as much as for the existing cliches. So it's not a case of the producer thinking "I'm going to make something that these idiots can dance too but I'm going to try to sneak some quality in as well" as much as "I'm going to make something that does these peoples' heads in and they're going to love it."

I think part of the strength of dubstep is that it has - at least at some times and for some nights - had that sort of audience.

-----Original Message-----
From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrusher@...]
Sent: Sun 20/12/2009 00:27
To: do id
Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep

The thing about it that pisses me off is that producers will do
something cheap and obvious, without any lasting value, because they
can make money satisfying the functional requirements of dance music.

But it is also possible, if not easy, to make timeless, fantastic,
emotional, deep music that also works in the club. The artist has to
care enough, and DJs have to be brave enough to push the dancefloor a
little out of it's comfort zone. DJs aren't just there to reflect
back the audience's base desires, they should be trying to lift people
up.

And I go out a lot, and I'm disappointed a lot, and start thinking
that's all there is to the experience. Then, someone who isn't a
hack, who gives a shit, who genuinely loves the music for itself comes
along, and they completely melt my face off and remind me why I go.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...> wrote:

> there definitely is a middle ground. it's just easier i guess for some people to make music that works in a club rather than as straight good music.
>
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Basma O <basma.o@...> wrote:
>
> From: Basma O <basma.o@...>
> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
> Cc: idm@...
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 1:17 PM
>
> i think the more of these techniques the better!! interesting hearing you
> guys talk about each sound's techniques!
>
> its like wow do this do that, you get this sound, i loved rusko by the way,
> to me when i heard some of the dubstep names you mentioned i found myself
> asking, is this dubstep? oops! what defines dubstep other than that deep
> layered bass sound, more like vibration sound , yeaah! *moving my head back
> then forth slowly* umm maybe we need more and more genres come out each
> day!!! yaay! that would be so interestin listening to the different sounds
> that come out of different places whether physical or mental, ? maybe thats
> why IDM is not supposed to be a genre.. it engulfs other genres like
> breakcore for instance? that can have hints of IDM both ways going! and then
> funkarma where its ambient yet breakcorish but yet i called it IDM..
>
> hmm , also, i was writing in another email to the list that didnt go thru
> out of connection, that that sense of the rave culture that has boomed in
> the electronic scene that drugs might have helped induce, and got out of
> hands and lost it, is probably able to be revived in IDM terms!
>
> maybe synths present inifinite posiibilities? also, I have recently heard a
> track by Shpongle from there new album (psy not idm) and the track's name
> was 'Shponglese', for those who know Shpongle, they will understand that
> they are unique in there music, and this track was like their sound! more
> as their language! i thought it was so interesting! got excited to hear how
> the track went..
>
> so.. maybe theres a middle ground somewhere?
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/12/19 Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>
>> remedy a falling genre by creating interesting music that avoids falling
>> into common technique traps.
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...> wrote:
>>
>> From: Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...>
>> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:03 PM
>>
>> what exactly were we readers supposde to remedy
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a
>> search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a
>> formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting teens
>> (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with
>> flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all sound
>> EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing feel)..
>> Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself included
>> because it's always tempting to take the fast road.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>>
>> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>>
>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on
>>
>> Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who
>>
>> aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is
>>
>> getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance
>>
>> floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives
>>
>> pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.
>>
>> It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to
>>
>> me it became unlistenable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &
>>
>> bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of
>>
>> expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get
>>
>> noticed again.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same
>>
>> patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a
>>
>> new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on
>> the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been
>> overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge
>> merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by
>> a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>>
>> > To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
>>
>> > Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
>>
>> > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
>>
>> > me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
>>
>> > 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
>>
>> > 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
>>
>> > 3. Big bass bottom.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
>>
>> > the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
>>
>> > is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
>>
>> > earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
>>
>> > dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
>>
>> > doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
>>
>> > octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
>>
>> > can maybe take off list ;-)
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > is this a dubstep song?
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
>>
>> > > to this stuff
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <
>> chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>
>> > >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
>>
>> > >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
>>
>> > >> genre.,
>>
>> > >>
>>
>> > >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > >>> this stuff is growing on me
>>
>> > >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
>>
>> > >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that
>> one already
>>
>> > >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
>>
>> > >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
>>
>> > >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
>>
>> > >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well.....
>>
>> > >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
>>
>> > >>> great..
>>
>> > >>>
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Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T16:30:15Z

part of what makes idm cool (to me) is that 10000 people can dig
through 10 million songs, across the earth, without ever having met
each other, and come up with the same 1000 or so favorite artists

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:27 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:

> The thing about it that pisses me off is that producers will do
> something cheap and obvious, without any lasting value, because they
> can make money satisfying the functional requirements of dance music.
>
> But it is also possible, if not easy, to make timeless, fantastic,
> emotional, deep music that also works in the club. The artist has to
> care enough, and DJs have to be brave enough to push the dancefloor a
> little out of it's comfort zone. DJs aren't just there to reflect
> back the audience's base desires, they should be trying to lift people
> up.
>
> And I go out a lot, and I'm disappointed a lot, and start thinking
> that's all there is to the experience. Then, someone who isn't a
> hack, who gives a shit, who genuinely loves the music for itself comes
> along, and they completely melt my face off and remind me why I go.
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...> wrote:
>> there definitely is a middle ground. it's just easier i guess for some people to make music that works in a club rather than as straight good music.
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Basma O <basma.o@...> wrote:
>>
>> From: Basma O <basma.o@...>
>> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>> Cc: idm@...
>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 1:17 PM
>>
>> i think the more of these techniques the better!! interesting hearing you
>> guys talk about each sound's techniques!
>>
>> its like wow do this do that, you get this sound, i loved rusko by the way,
>> to me when i heard some of the dubstep names you mentioned i found myself
>> asking, is this dubstep? oops! what defines dubstep other than that deep
>> layered bass sound, more like vibration sound , yeaah! *moving my head back
>> then forth slowly* umm maybe we need more and more genres come out each
>> day!!! yaay! that would be so interestin listening to the different sounds
>> that come out of different places whether physical or mental, ? maybe thats
>> why IDM is not supposed to be a genre.. it engulfs other genres like
>> breakcore for instance? that can have hints of IDM both ways going! and then
>> funkarma where its ambient yet breakcorish but yet i called it IDM..
>>
>> hmm , also, i was writing in another email to the list that didnt go thru
>> out of connection, that that sense of the rave culture that has boomed in
>> the electronic scene that drugs might have helped induce, and got out of
>> hands and lost it, is probably able to be revived in IDM terms!
>>
>> maybe synths present inifinite posiibilities? also, I have recently heard a
>> track by Shpongle from there new album (psy not idm) and the track's name
>> was 'Shponglese', for those who know Shpongle, they will understand that
>> they are unique in there music, and this track was like their sound! more
>> as their language! i thought it was so interesting! got excited to hear how
>> the track went..
>>
>> so.. maybe theres a middle ground somewhere?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/12/19 Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>>
>>> remedy a falling genre by creating interesting music that avoids falling
>>> into common technique traps.
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...>
>>> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>>> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:03 PM
>>>
>>> what exactly were we readers supposde to remedy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a
>>> search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a
>>> formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting teens
>>> (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with
>>> flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all sound
>>> EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing feel)..
>>> Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself included
>>> because it's always tempting to take the fast road.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>>>
>>> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>>>
>>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on
>>>
>>> Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who
>>>
>>> aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is
>>>
>>> getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance
>>>
>>> floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives
>>>
>>> pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.
>>>
>>> It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to
>>>
>>> me it became unlistenable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &
>>>
>>> bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of
>>>
>>> expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get
>>>
>>> noticed again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same
>>>
>>> patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a
>>>
>>> new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on
>>> the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been
>>> overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge
>>> merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by
>>> a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>>>
>>> > Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>>>
>>> > To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
>>>
>>> > Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
>>>
>>> > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
>>>
>>> > me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
>>>
>>> > 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
>>>
>>> > 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
>>>
>>> > 3. Big bass bottom.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
>>>
>>> > the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
>>>
>>> > is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
>>>
>>> > earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
>>>
>>> > dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
>>>
>>> > doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
>>>
>>> > octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
>>>
>>> > can maybe take off list ;-)
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > is this a dubstep song?
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
>>>
>>> > > to this stuff
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <
>>> chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> > >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
>>>
>>> > >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
>>>
>>> > >> genre.,
>>>
>>> > >>
>>>
>>> > >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > >>> this stuff is growing on me
>>>
>>> > >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
>>>
>>> > >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that
>>> one already
>>>
>>> > >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
>>>
>>> > >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
>>>
>>> > >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
>>>
>>> > >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well.....
>>>
>>> > >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
>>>
>>> > >>> great..
>>>
>>> > >>>
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Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T16:27:16Z

The thing about it that pisses me off is that producers will do
something cheap and obvious, without any lasting value, because they
can make money satisfying the functional requirements of dance music.

But it is also possible, if not easy, to make timeless, fantastic,
emotional, deep music that also works in the club. The artist has to
care enough, and DJs have to be brave enough to push the dancefloor a
little out of it's comfort zone. DJs aren't just there to reflect
back the audience's base desires, they should be trying to lift people
up.

And I go out a lot, and I'm disappointed a lot, and start thinking
that's all there is to the experience. Then, someone who isn't a
hack, who gives a shit, who genuinely loves the music for itself comes
along, and they completely melt my face off and remind me why I go.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...> wrote:

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Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T16:06:20Z

and also iTAL tEK,

2009/12/20 Clint Anderson <clinta@...>

> i feel like if idm wanted to, 'we' could co-opt 2562 and Burial and
> call them idm and dubsteppers can fuck off :)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Basma O <basma.o@...> wrote:
> > i think the more of these techniques the better!! interesting hearing you
> > guys talk about each sound's techniques!
> >
> > its like wow do this do that, you get this sound, i loved rusko by the
> way,
> > to me when i heard some of the dubstep names you mentioned i found myself
> > asking, is this dubstep? oops! what defines dubstep other than that deep
> > layered bass sound, more like vibration sound , yeaah! *moving my head
> back
> > then forth slowly* umm maybe we need more and more genres come out each
> > day!!! yaay! that would be so interestin listening to the different
> sounds
> > that come out of different places whether physical or mental, ? maybe
> thats
> > why IDM is not supposed to be a genre.. it engulfs other genres like
> > breakcore for instance? that can have hints of IDM both ways going! and
> then
> > funkarma where its ambient yet breakcorish but yet i called it IDM..
> >
> > hmm , also, i was writing in another email to the list that didnt go thru
> > out of connection, that that sense of the rave culture that has boomed in
> > the electronic scene that drugs might have helped induce, and got out of
> > hands and lost it, is probably able to be revived in IDM terms!
> >
> > maybe synths present inifinite posiibilities? also, I have recently heard
> a
> > track by Shpongle from there new album (psy not idm) and the track's name
> > was 'Shponglese', for those who know Shpongle, they will understand that
> > they are unique in there music, and this track was like their sound!
> more
> > as their language! i thought it was so interesting! got excited to hear
> how
> > the track went..
> >
> > so.. maybe theres a middle ground somewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/12/19 Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> >
> >> remedy a falling genre by creating interesting music that avoids falling
> >> into common technique traps.
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...>
> >> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
> >> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
> >> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:03 PM
> >>
> >> what exactly were we readers supposde to remedy
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a
> >> search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a
> >> formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting
> teens
> >> (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with
> >> flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all
> sound
> >> EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing
> feel).
> >> Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself
> included
> >> because it's always tempting to take the fast road.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
> >>
> >> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
> >>
> >> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on
> >>
> >> Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who
> >>
> >> aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is
> >>
> >> getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance
> >>
> >> floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives
> >>
> >> pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.
> >>
> >> It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to
> >>
> >> me it became unlistenable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &
> >>
> >> bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of
> >>
> >> expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get
> >>
> >> noticed again.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same
> >>
> >> patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a
> >>
> >> new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma
> on
> >> the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's
> been
> >> overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge
> >> merely on production techniques, any production technique can be
> utilized by
> >> a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always
> suck
> >> :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
> >>
> >> > Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
> >>
> >> > To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
> >>
> >> > Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
> >>
> >> > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
> >>
> >> > me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
> >>
> >> > 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
> >>
> >> > 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
> >>
> >> > 3. Big bass bottom.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
> >>
> >> > the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
> >>
> >> > is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
> >>
> >> > earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
> >>
> >> > dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
> >>
> >> > doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
> >>
> >> > octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
> >>
> >> > can maybe take off list ;-)
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > > is this a dubstep song?
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
> >>
> >> > > to this stuff
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <
> >> chaircrusher@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some
> really
> >>
> >> > >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of
> the
> >>
> >> > >> genre.,
> >>
> >> > >>
> >>
> >> > >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > >>> this stuff is growing on me
> >>
> >> > >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
> >>
> >> > >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that
> >> one already
> >>
> >> > >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
> >>
> >> > >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and
> lovely
> >>
> >> > >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
> >>
> >> > >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really
> well....
> >>
> >> > >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones
> are
> >>
> >> > >>> great..
> >>
> >> > >>>
> >>
> >> > >>>
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Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T16:02:15Z

i feel like if idm wanted to, 'we' could co-opt 2562 and Burial and
call them idm and dubsteppers can fuck off :)

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Basma O <basma.o@...> wrote:

> i think the more of these techniques the better!! interesting hearing you
> guys talk about each sound's techniques!
>
> its like wow do this do that, you get this sound, i loved rusko by the way,
> to me when i heard some of the dubstep names you mentioned i found myself
> asking, is this dubstep? oops! what defines dubstep other than that deep
> layered bass sound, more like vibration sound , yeaah! *moving my head back
> then forth slowly* umm maybe we need more and more genres come out each
> day!!! yaay! that would be so interestin listening to the different sounds
> that come out of different places whether physical or mental, ? maybe thats
> why IDM is not supposed to be a genre.. it engulfs other genres like
> breakcore for instance? that can have hints of IDM both ways going! and then
> funkarma where its ambient yet breakcorish but yet i called it IDM..
>
> hmm , also, i was writing in another email to the list that didnt go thru
> out of connection, that that sense of the rave culture that has boomed in
> the electronic scene that drugs might have helped induce, and got out of
> hands and lost it, is probably able to be revived in IDM terms!
>
> maybe synths present inifinite posiibilities? also, I have recently heard a
> track by Shpongle from there new album (psy not idm) and the track's name
> was 'Shponglese', for those who know Shpongle, they will understand that
> they are unique in there music, and this track was like their sound! more
> as their language! i thought it was so interesting! got excited to hear how
> the track went..
>
> so.. maybe theres a middle ground somewhere?
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/12/19 Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>
>> remedy a falling genre by creating interesting music that avoids falling
>> into common technique traps.
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...> wrote:
>>
>> From: Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...>
>> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:03 PM
>>
>> what exactly were we readers supposde to remedy
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a
>> search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a
>> formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting teens
>> (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with
>> flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all sound
>> EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing feel).
>> Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself included
>> because it's always tempting to take the fast road.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>>
>> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>>
>> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on
>>
>> Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who
>>
>> aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is
>>
>> getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance
>>
>> floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives
>>
>> pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.
>>
>> It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to
>>
>> me it became unlistenable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &
>>
>> bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of
>>
>> expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get
>>
>> noticed again.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same
>>
>> patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a
>>
>> new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on
>> the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been
>> overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge
>> merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by
>> a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>>
>> > To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
>>
>> > Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
>>
>> > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
>>
>> > me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
>>
>> > 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
>>
>> > 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
>>
>> > 3. Big bass bottom.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
>>
>> > the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
>>
>> > is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
>>
>> > earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
>>
>> > dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
>>
>> > doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
>>
>> > octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
>>
>> > can maybe take off list ;-)
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > is this a dubstep song?
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
>>
>> > > to this stuff
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <
>> chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>>
>> > >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
>>
>> > >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
>>
>> > >> genre.,
>>
>> > >>
>>
>> > >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > >>> this stuff is growing on me
>>
>> > >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
>>
>> > >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that
>> one already
>>
>> > >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
>>
>> > >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
>>
>> > >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
>>
>> > >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well....
>>
>> > >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
>>
>> > >>> great..
>>
>> > >>>
>>
>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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m3rck sale aka "last chance merck stock" post from nov23.. might wanna checkit?

2009-12-19T13:54:22Z

http://www.gabekoch.com/?p=177

Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T13:53:19Z

there definitely is a middle ground. it's just easier i guess for some people to make music that works in a club rather than as straight good music.

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Basma O <basma.o@...> wrote:

From: Basma O <basma.o@...>
Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
Cc: idm@...
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 1:17 PM

i think the more of these techniques the better!! interesting hearing you
guys talk about each sound's techniques!

its like wow do this do that, you get this sound, i loved rusko by the way,
to me when i heard some of the dubstep names you mentioned i found myself
asking, is this dubstep? oops! what defines dubstep other than that deep
layered bass sound, more like vibration sound , yeaah! *moving my head back
then forth slowly* umm maybe we need more and more genres come out each
day!!! yaay! that would be so interestin listening to the different sounds
that come out of different places whether physical or mental, ? maybe thats
why IDM is not supposed to be a genre.. it engulfs other genres like
breakcore for instance? that can have hints of IDM both ways going! and then
funkarma where its ambient yet breakcorish but yet i called it IDM..

hmm , also, i was writing in another email to the list that didnt go thru
out of connection, that that sense of the rave culture that has boomed in
the electronic scene that drugs might have helped induce, and got out of
hands and lost it, is probably able to be revived in IDM terms!

maybe synths present inifinite posiibilities? also, I have recently heard a
track by Shpongle from there new album (psy not idm) and the track's name
was 'Shponglese', for those who know Shpongle, they will understand that
they are unique in there music, and this track was like their sound! more
as their language! i thought it was so interesting! got excited to hear how
the track went..

so.. maybe theres a middle ground somewhere?

2009/12/19 Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>

> remedy a falling genre by creating interesting music that avoids falling
> into common technique traps.
>
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...> wrote:
>
> From: Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...>
> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:03 PM
>
> what exactly were we readers supposde to remedy
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a
> search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a
> formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting teens
> (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with
> flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all sound
> EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing feel)..
> Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself included
> because it's always tempting to take the fast road.
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>
> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
>
>
>
> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on
>
> Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who
>
> aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is
>
> getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance
>
> floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives
>
> pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.
>
> It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to
>
> me it became unlistenable.
>
>
>
> Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &
>
> bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of
>
> expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get
>
> noticed again.
>
>
>
> I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same
>
> patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a
>
> new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on
> the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been
> overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge
> merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by
> a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck
> :-)
>
>
> >
>
> > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>
> > Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>
> > To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
>
> > Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
>
> > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
>
> >
>
> > I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
>
> > me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.
>
> >
>
> > The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
>
> > 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
>
> > 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
>
> > 3. Big bass bottom.
>
> >
>
> > For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
>
> > the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
>
> > is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
>
> > earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.
>
> >
>
> > Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
>
> > dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.
>
> >
>
> > Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
>
> > doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
>
> > octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
>
> > can maybe take off list ;-)
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
> wrote:
>
> > > is this a dubstep song?
>
> > >
>
> > > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
>
> > > to this stuff
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <
> chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>
> > >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
>
> > >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
>
> > >> genre.,
>
> > >>
>
> > >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
> wrote:
>
> > >>> this stuff is growing on me
>
> > >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
>
> > >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that
> one already
>
> > >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
>
> > >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
>
> > >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
>
> > >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well.....
>
> > >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
>
> > >>> great..
>
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Re: Emil A. Mamedov – Jazz pianist from Azerbaijan

2009-12-19T13:29:15Z

I send my utmost best wishes, and hope for light and healing.,

respect,
b.

2009/12/19 Basma O <basma.o@...>

>
>
> this is very trippy
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/12/19 Eldad Tsabary <tazberry_docs@...>
>
> Hi all, sorry for x-posting
>>
>> I am forwarding a message from my friend Amikam Kimelman, director of the
>> Rimon School of Jazz and Contemporary Music in Israel, about Emil Mamedov, a
>> very special ajzz pianist from Azerbaijan who needs our help
>>
>>
>> Topic: Emil A. Mamedov – Jazz pianist from Azerbaijan,
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZICykxN4pvw
>>
>> Shalom to all my friends and acquaintances,
>>
>> A very good friend of mine Emil Mamedov, a jazz pianist from Azerbaijan
>> has cancer, and for over a year he has been undergoing chemotherapy and
>> surgery in Haifa’s Horev medical center.
>>
>> Due to the inability of the Azerbaijani medical system to treat his
>> condition appropriately and as a result of not being properly insured in
>> Israel, Emil had to sell all of his estate in order to finance his
>> treatments, approximately $100,000 so far. This has left him penniless.
>>
>> Emil grew up parentless since very young age and has absolutely no
>> familial support – nor financial neither emotional.
>> He was diagnosed with testicular cancer, and his doctors assured me that
>> they are very optimistic about his chances for a complete recovery. He needs
>> additional $50,000 to complete his treatments and fully heal from his
>> disease.
>>
>> Raising money to his cause has been a very special and emotional
>> experience for me, due to the large and empathetic response and support I
>> received from very dear people, and I have managed thus far to raise about
>> $18,000 from friends and acquaintances and about $7000 from a jazz show I
>> organized for Emil.
>>
>> I am determined to raise all of the money necessary for Emil’s full
>> recovery.
>>
>> Emil is a proud person and he copes with his harsh reality admirably.
>> Furthermore, he is an extremely gifted jazz pianist with a unique and
>> fascinating voice.
>>
>> If you would like to donate any amount for Emil, I would be more than glad
>> to clarify and provide additional information and answers.
>>
>> Also, distributing this message among your friends, colleagues, and
>> acquaintances would be highly appreciated.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Amikam
>>
>> Contact:
>> Amikam Kimelman
>> General & Academic Director
>> Rimon School of Jazz and Contemporary Music
>> akimelman@.../
>> http://www.myspace.com/amikamkimelman
>> Tel: +972-3-5408882
>> Cell:+972-52-2754215
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Re: Emil A. Mamedov – Jazz pianist from Azerbaijan

2009-12-19T13:26:26Z

this is very trippy

2009/12/19 Eldad Tsabary <tazberry_docs@...>

> Hi all, sorry for x-posting
>
> I am forwarding a message from my friend Amikam Kimelman, director of the
> Rimon School of Jazz and Contemporary Music in Israel, about Emil Mamedov, a
> very special ajzz pianist from Azerbaijan who needs our help
>
>
> Topic: Emil A. Mamedov – Jazz pianist from Azerbaijan,
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZICykxN4pvw
>
> Shalom to all my friends and acquaintances,
>
> A very good friend of mine Emil Mamedov, a jazz pianist from Azerbaijan has
> cancer, and for over a year he has been undergoing chemotherapy and surgery
> in Haifa’s Horev medical center.
>
> Due to the inability of the Azerbaijani medical system to treat his
> condition appropriately and as a result of not being properly insured in
> Israel, Emil had to sell all of his estate in order to finance his
> treatments, approximately $100,000 so far. This has left him penniless.
>
> Emil grew up parentless since very young age and has absolutely no familial
> support – nor financial neither emotional.
> He was diagnosed with testicular cancer, and his doctors assured me that
> they are very optimistic about his chances for a complete recovery. He needs
> additional $50,000 to complete his treatments and fully heal from his
> disease.
>
> Raising money to his cause has been a very special and emotional experience
> for me, due to the large and empathetic response and support I received from
> very dear people, and I have managed thus far to raise about $18,000 from
> friends and acquaintances and about $7000 from a jazz show I organized for
> Emil.
>
> I am determined to raise all of the money necessary for Emil’s full
> recovery.
>
> Emil is a proud person and he copes with his harsh reality admirably.
> Furthermore, he is an extremely gifted jazz pianist with a unique and
> fascinating voice.
>
> If you would like to donate any amount for Emil, I would be more than glad
> to clarify and provide additional information and answers.
>
> Also, distributing this message among your friends, colleagues, and
> acquaintances would be highly appreciated.
>
> Yours,
> Amikam
>
> Contact:
> Amikam Kimelman
> General & Academic Director
> Rimon School of Jazz and Contemporary Music
> akimelman@.../
> http://www.myspace.com/amikamkimelman
> Tel: +972-3-5408882
> Cell:+972-52-2754215
> Fax: +972-3-5496163
> __________________________________________________
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> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Re: bass-ridden, ambient, noise piece

2009-12-19T13:23:44Z

hey,
i heard this many times today, it crept on me, first time i didnt feel any
beat nor melody remember thinking this is too ambient, then later on heard
it on and it crept on me, especially liked the creaky bird sounds in the
beginning and on, and then the melodic "backdrop?" dunno if you call it
backdrop but the melody prob was "enticing" .nice! i do like that bird
squeaking, im sure it is supposed to be called something else, that got my
attention..

2009/12/16 Jared Dunne <22tape@...>

> hey gus. i made this one a while back. it's a lot different than the
> hiphop influenced stuff i've been making lately...and probably more
> appropriate for an IDM list.
>
> i've finally been reunited with my hardware and i'm looking forward to
> making more stuff like this:
>
> hide and peek<
> http://www.jazzyspoon.com/22TAPE%20TRACKS/HIDE%20AND%20PEEK%20-%2022Tape.mp3
> >
>
> cheers!
>
> --
> Jared Dunne
> http://www.myspace.com/22tape
> http://www.22tape.blogspot.com
>

Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T13:17:21Z

i think the more of these techniques the better!! interesting hearing you
guys talk about each sound's techniques!

its like wow do this do that, you get this sound, i loved rusko by the way,
to me when i heard some of the dubstep names you mentioned i found myself
asking, is this dubstep? oops! what defines dubstep other than that deep
layered bass sound, more like vibration sound , yeaah! *moving my head back
then forth slowly* umm maybe we need more and more genres come out each
day!!! yaay! that would be so interestin listening to the different sounds
that come out of different places whether physical or mental, ? maybe thats
why IDM is not supposed to be a genre.. it engulfs other genres like
breakcore for instance? that can have hints of IDM both ways going! and then
funkarma where its ambient yet breakcorish but yet i called it IDM..

hmm , also, i was writing in another email to the list that didnt go thru
out of connection, that that sense of the rave culture that has boomed in
the electronic scene that drugs might have helped induce, and got out of
hands and lost it, is probably able to be revived in IDM terms!

maybe synths present inifinite posiibilities? also, I have recently heard a
track by Shpongle from there new album (psy not idm) and the track's name
was 'Shponglese', for those who know Shpongle, they will understand that
they are unique in there music, and this track was like their sound! more
as their language! i thought it was so interesting! got excited to hear how
the track went..

so.. maybe theres a middle ground somewhere?

2009/12/19 Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>

> remedy a falling genre by creating interesting music that avoids falling
> into common technique traps.
>
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...> wrote:
>
> From: Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...>
> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:03 PM
>
> what exactly were we readers supposde to remedy
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a
> search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a
> formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting teens
> (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with
> flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all sound
> EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing feel).
> Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself included
> because it's always tempting to take the fast road.
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>
> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>
> To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
>
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
>
>
>
> Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on
>
> Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who
>
> aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is
>
> getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance
>
> floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives
>
> pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.
>
> It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to
>
> me it became unlistenable.
>
>
>
> Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &
>
> bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of
>
> expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get
>
> noticed again.
>
>
>
> I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same
>
> patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a
>
> new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on
> the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been
> overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge
> merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by
> a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck
> :-)
>
>
> >
>
> > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
>
> > Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
>
> > To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
>
> > Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
>
> > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
>
> >
>
> > I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
>
> > me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.
>
> >
>
> > The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
>
> > 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
>
> > 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
>
> > 3. Big bass bottom.
>
> >
>
> > For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
>
> > the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
>
> > is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
>
> > earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.
>
> >
>
> > Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
>
> > dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.
>
> >
>
> > Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
>
> > doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
>
> > octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
>
> > can maybe take off list ;-)
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
> wrote:
>
> > > is this a dubstep song?
>
> > >
>
> > > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
>
> > > to this stuff
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <
> chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>
> > >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
>
> > >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
>
> > >> genre.,
>
> > >>
>
> > >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...>
> wrote:
>
> > >>> this stuff is growing on me
>
> > >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
>
> > >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that
> one already
>
> > >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
>
> > >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
>
> > >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
>
> > >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well....
>
> > >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
>
> > >>> great..
>
> > >>>
>
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Emil A. Mamedov – Jazz pianist from Azerbaijan

2009-12-19T12:29:05Z

Hi all, sorry for x-posting

I am forwarding a message from my friend Amikam Kimelman, director of
the Rimon School of Jazz and Contemporary Music in Israel, about Emil
Mamedov, a very special ajzz pianist from Azerbaijan who needs our help

Topic: Emil A. Mamedov – Jazz pianist from Azerbaijan,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZICykxN4pvw

Shalom to all my friends and acquaintances,

A very good friend of mine Emil Mamedov, a jazz pianist from Azerbaijan
has cancer, and for over a year he has been undergoing chemotherapy and
surgery in Haifa’s Horev medical center.

Due to the inability of the Azerbaijani medical system to treat his
condition appropriately and as a result of not being properly insured in
Israel, Emil had to sell all of his estate in order to finance his
treatments, approximately $100,000 so far. This has left him penniless.

Emil grew up parentless since very young age and has absolutely no
familial support – nor financial neither emotional.
He was diagnosed with testicular cancer, and his doctors assured me that
they are very optimistic about his chances for a complete recovery. He
needs additional $50,000 to complete his treatments and fully heal from
his disease.

Raising money to his cause has been a very special and emotional
experience for me, due to the large and empathetic response and support
I received from very dear people, and I have managed thus far to raise
about $18,000 from friends and acquaintances and about $7000 from a jazz
show I organized for Emil.

I am determined to raise all of the money necessary for Emil’s full
recovery.

Emil is a proud person and he copes with his harsh reality admirably.
Furthermore, he is an extremely gifted jazz pianist with a unique and
fascinating voice.

If you would like to donate any amount for Emil, I would be more than
glad to clarify and provide additional information and answers.

Also, distributing this message among your friends, colleagues, and
acquaintances would be highly appreciated.

Yours,
Amikam

Contact:
Amikam Kimelman
General & Academic Director
Rimon School of Jazz and Contemporary Music
akimelman@.../
http://www.myspace.com/amikamkimelman
Tel: +972-3-5408882
Cell:+972-52-2754215
Fax: +972-3-5496163
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Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T12:09:00Z

remedy a falling genre by creating interesting music that avoids falling into common technique traps.

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...> wrote:

From: Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@...>
Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:03 PM

what exactly were we readers supposde to remedy

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...> wrote:

Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting teens (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all sound EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing feel). Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself included because it's always tempting to take the fast road.

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:

From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>

Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep

To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>

Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM

Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on

Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.

On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who

aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is

getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance

floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives

pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.

It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to

me it became unlistenable.

Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &

bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of

expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get

noticed again.

I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same

patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a

new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...> wrote:

>

> I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck :-)

>

> --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:

>

> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>

> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep

> To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>

> Cc: "do id" <idm@...>

> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM

>

> I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds

> me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.

>

> The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:

> 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm

> 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.

> 3. Big bass bottom.

>

> For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on

> the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying

> is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey

> earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.

>

> Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with

> dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.

>

> Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and

> doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an

> octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we

> can maybe take off list ;-)

>

> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:

> > is this a dubstep song?

> >

> > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3

> >

> >

> > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening

> > to this stuff

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:

> >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really

> >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the

> >> genre.,

> >>

> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:

> >>> this stuff is growing on me

> >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...

> >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that one already

> >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and

> >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely

> >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks

> >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well....

> >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are

> >>> great..

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Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T12:00:26Z

Yeah, in an age where you can easily end up with 1,000+ results for a search of "dubstep production techniques" on youtube and simply follow a formula and end up with millions of fucking rusko- and datsik-biting teens (trust, we have A LOT of them in los angeles lol). it's happening with flylo/nosaj music too (beat scene, or whatever you call it; they all sound EXACTLY the same, from the overcompression to the triplet off-swing feel). Hopefully some of us *hint hint readers* can remedy that, myself included because it's always tempting to take the fast road.

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:

From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
To: "Cheyne Bush" <cheynebush@...>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:21 AM

Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Some of Vex'd stuff on
Planet Mu is on the harder end, and I like what he does.

On the other hand, the stuff that gets played out a lot, to crowds who
aren't that personally invested in the music for its own sake, is
getting hard for hard's sake. It gets a visceral reaction on the dance
floor, not because it stands alone as good music. but because it gives
pilled up kids the right phsyical sensation to match their drug load.
It's exactly what happened to drum and bass a few years back, when to
me it became unlistenable.

Lately I've been hearing some more worthwhile and listenable drum &
bass again, but it's that scene had to be killed off by that sort of
expedient joy-buzzer production for the actually musical stuff to get
noticed again.

I suspect that the new 'hardstep' bullshit even uses some of the same
patch presets that murdered Drum & Bass. Every couple years there's a
new cohort of clueless teens ripe for the picking I guess.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...> wrote:

>
> I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck :-)
>
> --- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>
> From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
> Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
> To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
> Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM
>
> I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
> me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.
>
> The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
> 1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
> 2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
> 3. Big bass bottom.
>
> For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
> the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
> is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
> earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.
>
> Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
> dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.
>
> Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
> doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
> octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
> can maybe take off list ;-)
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:
> > is this a dubstep song?
> >
> > http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
> >
> >
> > i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
> > to this stuff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
> >> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
> >> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
> >> genre.,
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:
> >>> this stuff is growing on me
> >>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
> >>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that one already
> >>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
> >>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
> >>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
> >>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well...
> >>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
> >>> great..
> >>>
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Re: dubstep

2009-12-19T10:42:20Z

I agree with this some of this, but I wish there wasn't such a stigma on the more "hardcore" sort of dubstep. it could be a cool sound that's been overrun by shitty producers with bad taste. don't be so quick to judge merely on production techniques, any production technique can be utilized by a better producer to become a genius idea, midrange synths don't always suck :-)

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:

From: kent williams <chaircrusher@...>
Subject: Re: [idm] dubstep
To: "Clint Anderson" <clinta@...>
Cc: "do id" <idm@...>
Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:52 PM

I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much
dubstep. It reminds
me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.

The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
3. Big bass bottom.

For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.

Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.

Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
can maybe take off
list ;-)

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:

> is this a dubstep song?
>
> http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3
>
>
> i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
> to this stuff
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:
>> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
>> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
>> genre.,
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:
>>> this stuff is growing on me
>>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
>>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that one already
>>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
>>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
>>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
>>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well...
>>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
>>> great..
>>>
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2009-12-19T10:13:21Z

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Deru :: Say Goodbye to Useless (Mush)

2009-12-19T00:06:06Z

HIGHLY recommended!

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B12 Wild Kingdom (Radio)

2009-12-18T23:17:47Z

Last week's Wild Kingdom continued my summing up of 1997's techno
experiences with tracks from three wizards of the genre: Matt Cogger,
Lee Purkis, and Luke Slater. If you want to know more about them, check
discogs.com . The set list is at
http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=34253. Tomorrow night's set
finishes up 1997 with a set of tunes from B12. I'll be continuing these
"summing up" sets until I get through 1999.

Limited time archives for all shows on KFJC (including this one) are
available at http://www.kfjc.org/broadcast_archives/ . These are
"rolling archives", available for two weeks after any given show. Send
comments and suggestions to info@... .

"The Wild Kingdom" airs on KFJC-FM 89.7, Saturday night/Sunday Morning,
12A-3A (8A-10A GMT). Potential listeners outside the San Francisco Bay
area can find a webcast at http://www.kfjc.org/netcast/index.php .
Present and past Wild Kingdom playlists are also archived at kfjc.org.
You can also check out archived playlists from my first KFJC show "Just
Desserts" that was on Fridays 10P-2A from 1992 through 1999. Archived
playlists exist for that show starting from Fall 1995 to New Year's Eve
1999/2000, so you can see what what I'm up to these days is pretty much
consistent with what I was up to all along.

If you do tune in (especially via the web), please take a little time to
let me know your locale. I'm also interested in promo music from all
over and in promoting local (San Francisco Bay area) techno-type events.
If you want to do some promotion for an event, contact the KFJC
promotions department at promo@... to arrange ticket giveaways
and/or to send information for inclusion in our concert outlook. Thanks
to those who have sent promo music so far.

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Re: dubstep

2009-12-18T21:52:28Z

I don't know what I'd call this, but not so much dubstep. It reminds
me the most of Kraftwerk, maybe with early 90s B12 pitter-pat hats.

The dubstep 'sound' I'd say would have these characteristics:
1. Tempo between 135 and 140bpm
2. Prominent half time feel -- snare shots on 3 holding it down.
3. Big bass bottom.

For the proper annoying Chav dubstep sound, add a 1/8th triplet LFO on
the bass filter cutoff for that trademark wobble. Even more annoying
is the newer 'ravey' dubstep with harsh snare shots and edgey
earbleeding midrange synths that sound like bad heavy metal guitar.

Those are only general guidelines, and the producers associated with
dubstep I respect don't always even make recognizable dubstep.

Your track has no bottom to speak of -- the kick is super short and
doesn't really swoop down sub-60hz, and the bass sounds are about an
octave too high. I have some ideas about EQ and mastering with it we
can maybe take off list ;-)

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Re: dubstep

2009-12-18T21:42:14Z

is this a dubstep song?

http://clinta.ecol.net/engines.mp3

i did that a few years ago but i keep thinking of it as im listening
to this stuff

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@...> wrote:

> You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
> annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
> genre.,
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:
>> this stuff is growing on me
>> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
>> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that one already
>> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
>> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
>> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
>> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well...
>> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
>> great..
>>
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Re: dubstep

2009-12-18T21:39:47Z

i spose so.. but like this 2562 unbalance album is almost an idm album

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Re: dubstep

2009-12-18T21:09:16Z

You started out at the top -- if you want I can recommend some really
annoying awful dubstep so you'll know why people are so leery of the
genre.,

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@...> wrote:

> this stuff is growing on me
> listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
> and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that one already
> borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
> then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
> sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
> have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well...
> the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
> great..
>
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dubstep

2009-12-18T19:52:41Z

this stuff is growing on me
listening to faltydl 'to london' ep, nice stuff... really nice...
and that 2562, also good tho i think i mentioned that i liked that one already
borgore, also good...one think i like off-ness of the rhythms, and
then contrast it to the quite on-tempo tightly quantized and lovely
sounding synth leads, yeah... its cool... and alot of these tracks
have really minimal vocals, which sometimes are used really well...
the worst tracks of this genre so far are 'ok', and the best ones are
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Kingbastard (exclusive) mix on Digital::Nimbus tonight... 12-3am PST

2009-12-18T19:21:01Z

DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: Electronic Audio Freakquencies
http://digitalnimbus.com :: http://kuci.org
KUCI 88.9 FM, Friday Nights 12-3am (PST)

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Full of cybernetic electronics, mangled beats and tortured rhythms,
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Styli With Reversed Beard" mix. Sure there are some delicately woven
melodies wrapped inside a cacophony of digitized hip-hop-electro and
digital dementia, but what else would you expect? Kingbastard delivers
nothing short of mashed up audio crumbs that all fall into place in
the most randomized patterns. Be either particularly thrilled, or
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Re: Jega Live on KCRW now - streaming video

2009-12-18T12:13:35Z

thanks for that, love the jega

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>
>
> http://www.kcrw.com/media-player/mediaPlayer2.html?type=live
>
> if you miss it, it will be in the archive.
>
> --
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> ---------------------------------------------------------------
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DecaDance :: Chicago NYE 2010

2009-12-18T12:04:48Z

DecaDance :: a Chicago New Years Celebration @ Catalyst
NYE2010 :: Thursday, December 31st
http://www.Psymbolic.com/events

Celebrate the New Year at an incredible space with friends and
amazing talent! Experience a full integration of music, vision
and movement. Providing full-scale environmental design in
multiple rooms, bringing together a wide range of creative
talents to inspire, awe, and activate your mind.
This Event will only happen once.

Featured Music:
*) 1000 Vertical Feet - [Live Jam / DJ / Rock]
*) Environmental Encroachment - [Magic Circus Band]
*) The Chilluminati Stage - [Various Artists]
*) Chris Widman / Abstract Science - [DJ]
*) Searchl1te - [DJ]
*) Carla Starla - [DJ w/ Live Vocals]
*) M50 - [DJ]
*) Dominic Johnson - [Live Viola w/ DJ set]
*) Weston Rose - [Ukulele]
*) Jason Seed - [Live Guitar]

Synchronistic VJing Visuals:
*) Merkaba visuals
*) Audrey Sica / Stoptime341
*) Nathan Peck / RookTV

Multimedia Visual Installations:
*) Galina Shevchenko
*) Edyta Stepien
*) Gordon Kummel / mindfield

++ More Artists to be announced

Cocktail and Beer Bar
Complimentary New Year Champagne Toast

Happening @ Catalyst Collective in Chicago
Held in a beautiful artist loft in the North & Pulaski neighborhood.
Complete Event Info emailed after ticket purchase, week of event.
All Profits go towards supporting the Arts and Artists.

Very Limited amount of $20 advanced tickets
then $25 / $35 day of event

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Jega Live on KCRW now - streaming video

2009-12-18T11:55:37Z

http://www.kcrw.com/media-player/mediaPlayer2.html?type=live

if you miss it, it will be in the archive.

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some of my new tracks / [vau001] various and uneasy vol.01

2009-12-18T06:39:38Z

so i decided to start a sub_serie of releases to the pertin_nce catalogue
it's called various and uneasy and it'll feature some various tracks by
various artists that are willing to release their uneasy music.
i decided this not long ago, so i start the party with my own uneasy
tracks....
here is the basic details and download links :

label : pertin_nce
cat. number : vau001
artists : various (bleupulp / maxime tanguay)
title : various and uneasy vol.01

track listing :
1- esp-blanc
2- toke-reca-ue
3- small-places
4- tox-icity

sounds like : electronic, experimental, techno, weird, dark

download & stream (v/a formats) :
http://www.archive.org/details/vau001

enjoy! (or not)

www.pertin-nce.com

ps : feel free to send over your tracks , pertin_ is always open to new
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RE: Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///

2009-12-17T02:23:10Z

Hi Aaaron.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 17 December 2009 03:29
To: dulcettrecords@...; anthony.papavassiliou@...;
teflonskin@...
Cc: idm@...
Subject: RE: [idm] Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///

Ok. i dont think that you can compare Richard D james with Aaron Funk. how can you do that? they have nothing to do . //// Venetian Snares is a genious the people dont understand his music. But there are some albums like Huge Chrome Cylinder Box that they are fantastic. // There is no Bad album for Venetian Snares just people who dont understand how he makes his music. // He dont work in 1/4 like aphex. he dont have a bad album like AFX // of course there are some songs that sucks . but he is not just breakcore or IDM he makes a different stuff. // Richard is really good too. but he is different he is soft and makes you want to sleep he plays music for childrens and it is allways the same rythym the beat. // I do like Aphex. well, some of his songs. // the same with aaron// but there are really different stuff. you cant compare. //

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RE: Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///

2009-12-16T19:28:36Z

Ok. i dont think that you can compare Richard D james with Aaron Funk. how can you do that? they have nothing to do . //// Venetian Snares is a genious the people dont understand his music. But there are some albums like Huge Chrome Cylinder Box that they are fantastic. // There is no Bad album for Venetian Snares just people who dont understand how he makes his music. // He dont work in 1/4 like aphex. he dont have a bad album like AFX // of course there are some songs that sucks . but he is not just breakcore or IDM he makes a different stuff. // Richard is really good too. but he is different he is soft and makes you want to sleep he plays music for childrens and it is allways the same rythym the beat. // I do like Aphex. well, some of his songs. // the same with aaron// but there are really different stuff. you cant compare. //

> From: dulcettrecords@...
> To: anthony.papavassiliou@...; teflonskin@...
> CC: idm@...
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:17:27 -0800
> Subject: RE: [idm] Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///
>
>
> You have to remember that Richard D James was also Polygon Window. I have never heard that kinda diversity in styles with Venetian Snares. Richard D James has made great songs of classic techno, electro, you name it. Last I checked most of the Venetian Snares stuff was primarily IDM and break core. To each his/her own I suppose. I keep forgetting that I am getting old.
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:27:49 -0500
> > From: anthony.papavassiliou@...
> > To: teflonskin@...
> > CC: idm@...
> > Subject: Re: [idm] Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///
> >
> > I agree Joshua.
> > I always thought thta guy was a complete copycat. Aphx make original music,
> > dream music. When you listen to him you know all is coming from somewhere.
> > When you listen to venetian snare, its like when you are looking a shampoo
> > package : its look the same but it sound fake. Its all technical, no
> > emotion.
> > And breakcore is crap :D
> >
> > 2009/12/16 Joshua. <teflonskin@...>
> >
> > > I uhh, i have never liked anything venetian snares has done... I met him
> > > once and he played for a crew i was with ages ago and was a total douche,
> > > this was like 1999, that was my introduction to him, and i vowed then that
> > > he could make music that made you transcend to another dimension, i would
> > > always think he sucked because of what a dick he was.
> > >
> > > also, i just can't get into breakcore, you guys, you guys that like
> > > breakcore, you are way tougher than i am.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > ---------
> > > joshua.
> > > http://www.timefortrees.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > OH WOW! What's next, Squarepusher on dancing with the stars? Vsnares is
> > > > great, even if he is too cocky for his own good. I guess I would be too
> > > if a
> > > > mailing list like this is masturbating my ego the way this one is for
> > > him.
> > > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, rickreaction <rickreaction@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: rickreaction <rickreaction@...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [idm] Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///
> > > > To: idm@...
> > > > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:26 AM
> > > >
> > > > Richard D. James WISHES he had a track on So You Think You Can Dance:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycoo8HrJuBM
> > > >
> > > > Also, breakcore rules. Glue Funk Hits is still my favorite V. Snares
> > > > disc. Making Orange Things is up there too. Did I discredit myself
> > > > yet?
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RE: Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///

2009-12-16T19:17:27Z

You have to remember that Richard D James was also Polygon Window. I have never heard that kinda diversity in styles with Venetian Snares. Richard D James has made great songs of classic techno, electro, you name it. Last I checked most of the Venetian Snares stuff was primarily IDM and break core. To each his/her own I suppose. I keep forgetting that I am getting old.

> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:27:49 -0500
> From: anthony.papavassiliou@...
> To: teflonskin@...
> CC: idm@...
> Subject: Re: [idm] Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///
>
> I agree Joshua.
> I always thought thta guy was a complete copycat. Aphx make original music,
> dream music. When you listen to him you know all is coming from somewhere.
> When you listen to venetian snare, its like when you are looking a shampoo
> package : its look the same but it sound fake. Its all technical, no
> emotion.
> And breakcore is crap :D
>
> 2009/12/16 Joshua. <teflonskin@...>
>
> > I uhh, i have never liked anything venetian snares has done... I met him
> > once and he played for a crew i was with ages ago and was a total douche,
> > this was like 1999, that was my introduction to him, and i vowed then that
> > he could make music that made you transcend to another dimension, i would
> > always think he sucked because of what a dick he was.
> >
> > also, i just can't get into breakcore, you guys, you guys that like
> > breakcore, you are way tougher than i am.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > ---------
> > joshua.
> > http://www.timefortrees.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Cheyne Bush <cheynebush@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > OH WOW! What's next, Squarepusher on dancing with the stars? Vsnares is
> > > great, even if he is too cocky for his own good. I guess I would be too
> > if a
> > > mailing list like this is masturbating my ego the way this one is for
> > him.
> > > --- On Wed, 12/16/09, rickreaction <rickreaction@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: rickreaction <rickreaction@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [idm] Aaron Funk IS the new Richard D James discuss///
> > > To: idm@...
> > > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:26 AM
> > >
> > > Richard D. James WISHES he had a track on So You Think You Can Dance:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycoo8HrJuBM
> > >
> > > Also, breakcore rules. Glue Funk Hits is still my favorite V. Snares
> > > disc. Making Orange Things is up there too. Did I discredit myself
> > > yet?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rick "re:action" Sinkiewicz
> > > Redscroll Records
> > > 24 North Colony Road
> > > Wallingford, CT 06492
> > > http://www.redscrollrecords.com
> > >
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