If you have not done so yet...

[Dawn Wolthuis-2]

Hi U2 User Community subscribers --

Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
instead at

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms

I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
mvdbms list.
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[Glenn Sallis-5]

Hi Dawn,

The new google group is for discussion regarding all the various
multivalue databases without restriction.

The U2 lists are for U2 specific discussion and are directly tied to the
U2 User Group, which is focused on promoting the use of U2 specifically.
So I believe the new google group has it's rightful place as do the two
U2 groups.

Regards
Glenn

Am 10.01.2012 19:51, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:

> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>
> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
> instead at
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>
> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
> mvdbms list.

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[Wols Lists]

On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>
> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
> instead at

Does it work with email?
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>
> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
> mvdbms list.

Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
Pickies should know that that isn't true!

Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the sort
of place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there waiting
for me when I'm ready for it.

Cheers,
Wol
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[Glenn Sallis-4]

Hi,

I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...

I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
(hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or
anyone who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse
the forums without having to go through some cumbersome process of
registering on an email list. The vast discussions which take place will
then have easier visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a
visible community on the internet where it can be seen that people are
generating traffic about these products.

I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website
offer the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email
updates when someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So
all you would need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the
site in order to post your response. Maybe you will even have the option
to additionally tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty
and traffic to the product!

I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to
go to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the
mails arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to
answer with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website
based people may think more concertedly about what they are going to
post and maybe the quality of posts and answers will improve.

Regards
Glenn



Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:

> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>
>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>> instead at
>
> Does it work with email?
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>
>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
>> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
>> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
>> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
>> mvdbms list.
>
> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
> Pickies should know that that isn't true!
>
> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the
> sort of place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there
> waiting for me when I'm ready for it.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
> _______________________________________________
> U2-Community mailing list
> U2-Community@...
> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>

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[Dawn Wolthuis-2]

Anthony -- I do it all by email, so I think it should work well for
you. Are you gave to give it a try? You just have to select the option
that says you want individual emails for each posting. You do have to
use an email address for signing up for the google group that you
would use to reply so that it will accept your "postings."

In this case, newer is better. One intent was to effectively close
down the comp.databases.pick newsgroup while broadening the appeal.
Fewer and fewer people were using an nntp reader, with many using
google groups as their news reader anyway. This gives more features
than nntp.

Let me know if you have questions.  Thanks!  --dawn

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Wols Lists <antlists@...> wrote:

> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>
>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>
>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>> instead at
>
>
> Does it work with email?
>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>
>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
>> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
>> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
>> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
>> mvdbms list.
>
>
> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us Pickies
> should know that that isn't true!
>
> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the sort of
> place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there waiting for me
> when I'm ready for it.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
> _______________________________________________
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> U2-Community@...
> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community

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[George Gallen-2]

I'd rather get 5 quick and unhelpful replies, along with 1 quick and helpful reply,
Rather than wait for someone to go to the website, and read the forum, then reply

Email has it's uses, also, so places websites are blocked, but email is not.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: u2-community-bounces@... [mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:35 PM
To: U2 Users Community
Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...


I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to
go to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the
mails arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to
answer with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website
based people may think more concertedly about what they are going to
post and maybe the quality of posts and answers will improve.

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[Dawn Wolthuis-2]

Hi Glenn -- There are many ways to address this. Some folks did the
work to address the comp.database.pick issues (such as the spamming it
was getting) and, in the process, had a bigger vision for the
MultiValue community. They have this one off the ground with more than
100 people subscribed and growing each day, so I think it would be
great to encourage them in this effort. Google Groups have a ton of
features, including the ability to use them via email (which is what I
do), and you can certainly point to them from any web site so that
they appear somewhat (but obviously not exactly) embedded.

I would encourage the U2UG to look at collaborating with those working
on the mvdbms google group as this was a step in a direction where
more collaboration in the mv community could be possible. I, for one,
would like to see a highlighted visibility for all of the MV space
within the coming years, working toward a big splash for the 2015 20th
anniversary of MultiValue. I think we can work to raise all boats if
we have some place for MV collaboration, recognizing there will still
be a place for U2-specific technical questions, no doubt. At this
point I have seen D3 and QM questions on the list, but it is a very
new list, so hopefully we will see some U2 and other questions there
too. More importantly, from my perspective, are the questions about MV
in general, such as whether we want to talk about it in terms of the
NoSQL movement or not, whether more of the MV flavors will enhance
their DataBASIC offerings for objects, etc.

I am very interested in your thoughts, but would really love to see
this new group get some use. I am not a moderator or an owner. I am
just trying to raise the visibility.  Thanks!  --dawn

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis <u2ug@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>
> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
> who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
> without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
> email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
> visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
> internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about these
> products.
>
> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
> the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
> someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
> need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
> post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
> tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
> product!
>
> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
> better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to go
> to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
> arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
> with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
> may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe the
> quality of posts and answers will improve.
>
> Regards
> Glenn
>
>
>
> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>
>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>
>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>>> instead at
>>
>>
>> Does it work with email?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>
>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
>>> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
>>> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
>>> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
>>> mvdbms list.
>>
>>
>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us Pickies
>> should know that that isn't true!
>>
>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the sort of
>> place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there waiting for me
>> when I'm ready for it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Wol
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>
>
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[Dawn Wolthuis-2]

I agree. I like email where it comes to my inbox, I can filter what I
want, and I do not have to go to someone's web site. I participate in
several google groups. It isn't perfect, but it works great for email.
 Cheers!  --dawn

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:51 PM, George Gallen <ggallen@...> wrote:

> I'd rather get 5 quick and unhelpful replies, along with 1 quick and helpful reply,
> Rather than wait for someone to go to the website, and read the forum, then reply
>
> Email has it's uses, also, so places websites are blocked, but email is not.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: u2-community-bounces@... [mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:35 PM
> To: U2 Users Community
> Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...
>
>
> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
> better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to
> go to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the
> mails arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to
> answer with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website
> based people may think more concertedly about what they are going to
> post and maybe the quality of posts and answers will improve.
>
> _______________________________________________
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[Symeon Breen]

Glenn and Wol - the mvdbms group is a google group - that satisfies the
forum requirement.  Google groups also allow email subscription, either
daily digest or each mail, and you can then email back to the group -
exactly the same as the current u2ug email list.  So both of your
requirements are met.

I do agree tho this email list is specific to the u2 users group, which is a
real defined entity and does need its own discussion forum/emal list IMO

I have subscribed to mvdbms as it is a long required successor to cdp.



-----Original Message-----
From: u2-community-bounces@...
[mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: 10 January 2012 19:35
To: U2 Users Community
Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...

Hi,

I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...

I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
(hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about these
products.

I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
product!

I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to go
to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe the
quality of posts and answers will improve.

Regards
Glenn



Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:

> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>
>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>> instead at
>
> Does it work with email?
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>
>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn P.S. If the U2UG board is
>> willing to move in that direction, it would be terrific they could
>> take the initiative to close this community list in favor of joining
>> the broader MultiValue community on the mvdbms list.
>
> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
> Pickies should know that that isn't true!
>
> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the
> sort of place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there
> waiting for me when I'm ready for it.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
> _______________________________________________
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> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
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[George Gallen-2]

>From what I've seen with phpBB for putting a forum on a website, it can fit
Both requirements, but it's a little harder to setup by users.

You do have the option to be notified of any post to the forum, OR just be
Notified of just replies to the post you created or are in discussion with,
Just as you can turn off future replies if a topic out of control.

The only problem that I see is you can't reply by email (I don't remember).

If you can find something that turns email replies to forum posts, you might have something.

George

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis <u2ug@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>

> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
> the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
> someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
> need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
> post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
> tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
> product!
>
>
> Regards
> Glenn
>
>

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[Dawn Wolthuis-2]

Yes, I definitely am not suggesting that the u2-users group be moved
over to this list, just that the u2-community list could be retired in
favor of this list. Make sense?  --dawn

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Symeon Breen <symeonb@...> wrote:

> Glenn and Wol - the mvdbms group is a google group - that satisfies the
> forum requirement.  Google groups also allow email subscription, either
> daily digest or each mail, and you can then email back to the group -
> exactly the same as the current u2ug email list.  So both of your
> requirements are met.
>
> I do agree tho this email list is specific to the u2 users group, which is a
> real defined entity and does need its own discussion forum/emal list IMO
>
> I have subscribed to mvdbms as it is a long required successor to cdp.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: u2-community-bounces@...
> [mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
> Sent: 10 January 2012 19:35
> To: U2 Users Community
> Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...
>
> Hi,
>
> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>
> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
> who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
> without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
> email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
> visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
> internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about these
> products.
>
> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
> the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
> someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
> need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
> post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
> tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
> product!
>
> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
> better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to go
> to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
> arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
> with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
> may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe the
> quality of posts and answers will improve.
>
> Regards
> Glenn
>
>
>
> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>
>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>>> instead at
>>
>> Does it work with email?
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>
>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn P.S. If the U2UG board is
>>> willing to move in that direction, it would be terrific they could
>>> take the initiative to close this community list in favor of joining
>>> the broader MultiValue community on the mvdbms list.
>>
>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
>> Pickies should know that that isn't true!
>>
>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the
>> sort of place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there
>> waiting for me when I'm ready for it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Wol
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
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[Bob Wyatt-2]

This really takes us back to the push-pull philosophy of the internet,
subscriptions, news readers, selling stuff (ads), and what-not.

I much prefer the vendor/forum/service to which I subscribe to push the
information to me; there are days that I may have time to go check out the
U2UG web page, or go read the blistering hot sales promos from NewEgg and
other sellers; and there are days that I don't. If you send me an ad that
says you have thousands of items on sale this week, and you don't tell me
WHAT you have on sale that is of interest to ME, it could be hours, days or
weeks before I go fetch it. If I have a $1 to spend, and all that you tell
me is that you have a 1000 items on sale, you are not getting my dollar any
time soon. Amazon does that pretty well... NewEgg and others, not so much...

Whatever method you choose to push it to me (RSS feeds, E-mail, etc.), I'll
eventually read it; I'll rarely go looking for it.

I personally think that when web site developers (or the web site owners)
wanted to track how many hits they got versus how many sales they got, they
had to have lost business.

Just my much less than a $1 worth...

However, getting back to on-topic, this is the most traffic U2-Community has
had in months... If this "channel" is so under-utilized, I tend to also
question whether more would be gained by merging this group into the google
group as Dawn suggested; after all, if it affects the U2-Community, what is
the likelihood that the same thing affects other MV communities?
 
Bob Wyatt

-----Original Message-----
From: u2-community-bounces@...
[mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:35 PM
To: U2 Users Community
Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...

Hi,

I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...

I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
(hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about these
products.

I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
product!

I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to go
to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe the
quality of posts and answers will improve.

Regards
Glenn



Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:

> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>
>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>> instead at
>
> Does it work with email?
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>
>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn P.S. If the U2UG board is
>> willing to move in that direction, it would be terrific they could
>> take the initiative to close this community list in favor of joining
>> the broader MultiValue community on the mvdbms list.
>
> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
> Pickies should know that that isn't true!
>
> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the
> sort of place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there
> waiting for me when I'm ready for it.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
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> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
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[Glenn Sallis-4]

Hi Dawn,

Certainly I agree that it is important to support the new google group.
I am already enrolled, since I work with any variant of MV anyone is
willing to pay me to work with ;-)

I think a google group for the U2UG would also be a step in the right
direction. It is important for U2 people to be active in both the U2
group and the general multivalue group, that way we can share with users
of the other databases what is happening in U2 and maybe learn about
anything the other vendors are doing. Collaboration is definitely
important. So I still believe the U2UG should have it's own group space,
but supplementary to, not as an alternative, to the general MV google group.

Glenn



Am 10.01.2012 20:54, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:

> Hi Glenn -- There are many ways to address this. Some folks did the
> work to address the comp.database.pick issues (such as the spamming it
> was getting) and, in the process, had a bigger vision for the
> MultiValue community. They have this one off the ground with more than
> 100 people subscribed and growing each day, so I think it would be
> great to encourage them in this effort. Google Groups have a ton of
> features, including the ability to use them via email (which is what I
> do), and you can certainly point to them from any web site so that
> they appear somewhat (but obviously not exactly) embedded.
>
> I would encourage the U2UG to look at collaborating with those working
> on the mvdbms google group as this was a step in a direction where
> more collaboration in the mv community could be possible. I, for one,
> would like to see a highlighted visibility for all of the MV space
> within the coming years, working toward a big splash for the 2015 20th
> anniversary of MultiValue. I think we can work to raise all boats if
> we have some place for MV collaboration, recognizing there will still
> be a place for U2-specific technical questions, no doubt. At this
> point I have seen D3 and QM questions on the list, but it is a very
> new list, so hopefully we will see some U2 and other questions there
> too. More importantly, from my perspective, are the questions about MV
> in general, such as whether we want to talk about it in terms of the
> NoSQL movement or not, whether more of the MV flavors will enhance
> their DataBASIC offerings for objects, etc.
>
> I am very interested in your thoughts, but would really love to see
> this new group get some use. I am not a moderator or an owner. I am
> just trying to raise the visibility.  Thanks!  --dawn
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis<u2ug@...>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>>
>> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
>> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
>> who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
>> without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
>> email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
>> visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
>> internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about these
>> products.
>>
>> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
>> the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
>> someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
>> need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
>> post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
>> tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
>> product!
>>
>> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
>> better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to go
>> to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
>> arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
>> with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
>> may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe the
>> quality of posts and answers will improve.
>>
>> Regards
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>>
>>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>>
>>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>>>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>>>> instead at
>>>
>>> Does it work with email?
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>>
>>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
>>>> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
>>>> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
>>>> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
>>>> mvdbms list.
>>>
>>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us Pickies
>>> should know that that isn't true!
>>>
>>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the sort of
>>> place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there waiting for me
>>> when I'm ready for it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Wol
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> U2-Community mailing list
>>> U2-Community@...
>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>
>

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[Symeon Breen]

" If you can find something that turns email replies to forum posts, you
might have something."


That would be a google group ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: u2-community-bounces@...
[mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: 10 January 2012 20:03
To: U2 Users Community
Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...

>From what I've seen with phpBB for putting a forum on a website, it can
>fit
Both requirements, but it's a little harder to setup by users.

You do have the option to be notified of any post to the forum, OR just be
Notified of just replies to the post you created or are in discussion with,
Just as you can turn off future replies if a topic out of control.

The only problem that I see is you can't reply by email (I don't remember).

If you can find something that turns email replies to forum posts, you might
have something.

George

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis <u2ug@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>

> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website
> offer the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email
> updates when someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site).
> So all you would need to do is click on the link in the email to go to
> the site in order to post your response. Maybe you will even have the
> option to additionally tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more
> visibilty and traffic to the product!
>
>
> Regards
> Glenn
>
>

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[George Gallen-2]

Yeah yeah, I was waiting for that reply....

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:16 PM
To: 'U2 Users Community'
Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...

" If you can find something that turns email replies to forum posts, you
might have something."


That would be a google group ;)

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[David Jordan]

We looked at google groups.  One issue was that Google Groups takes ownership of the forum.   If you want to move the list to another group they don't make it easy.  If they decide to charge for it, you are locked in.   They can have adverts for competitors targeting users.   There was an issue of control.   Most users on u2-list rejected forums for the issue of if I have to go looking, I probably will not.   I am open minded, but I don't know that Google Groups is the panacea.

One of the issues of forums. If people see questions unanswered in doing searches, then this proves that the MV environment is a dead environment, a perception that is a real issue to overcome.

What worries me more is content.  We need to change where everyone contributes more.   When you see the level on Microsoft forums to the negligible level in MV forums with about 10 contributors we are undermining ourselves.   To be the devil's advocate, the debate about which forum to move to is a bit like swapping deck chairs as the titanic goes down.   What we need to do is reignite passion and interest, which is more than just a forum.

My 2c
David Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: u2-community-bounces@... [mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 7:11 AM
To: U2 Users Community
Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...

Hi Dawn,

Certainly I agree that it is important to support the new google group.
I am already enrolled, since I work with any variant of MV anyone is willing to pay me to work with ;-)

I think a google group for the U2UG would also be a step in the right direction. It is important for U2 people to be active in both the U2 group and the general multivalue group, that way we can share with users of the other databases what is happening in U2 and maybe learn about anything the other vendors are doing. Collaboration is definitely important. So I still believe the U2UG should have it's own group space, but supplementary to, not as an alternative, to the general MV google group.

Glenn



Am 10.01.2012 20:54, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:

> Hi Glenn -- There are many ways to address this. Some folks did the
> work to address the comp.database.pick issues (such as the spamming it
> was getting) and, in the process, had a bigger vision for the
> MultiValue community. They have this one off the ground with more than
> 100 people subscribed and growing each day, so I think it would be
> great to encourage them in this effort. Google Groups have a ton of
> features, including the ability to use them via email (which is what I
> do), and you can certainly point to them from any web site so that
> they appear somewhat (but obviously not exactly) embedded.
>
> I would encourage the U2UG to look at collaborating with those working
> on the mvdbms google group as this was a step in a direction where
> more collaboration in the mv community could be possible. I, for one,
> would like to see a highlighted visibility for all of the MV space
> within the coming years, working toward a big splash for the 2015 20th
> anniversary of MultiValue. I think we can work to raise all boats if
> we have some place for MV collaboration, recognizing there will still
> be a place for U2-specific technical questions, no doubt. At this
> point I have seen D3 and QM questions on the list, but it is a very
> new list, so hopefully we will see some U2 and other questions there
> too. More importantly, from my perspective, are the questions about MV
> in general, such as whether we want to talk about it in terms of the
> NoSQL movement or not, whether more of the MV flavors will enhance
> their DataBASIC offerings for objects, etc.
>
> I am very interested in your thoughts, but would really love to see
> this new group get some use. I am not a moderator or an owner. I am
> just trying to raise the visibility.  Thanks!  --dawn
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis<u2ug@...>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>>
>> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
>> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
>> who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
>> without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
>> email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
>> visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
>> internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about these
>> products.
>>
>> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
>> the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
>> someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
>> need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
>> post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
>> tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
>> product!
>>
>> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
>> better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to go
>> to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
>> arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
>> with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
>> may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe the
>> quality of posts and answers will improve.
>>
>> Regards
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>>
>>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>>
>>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>>>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>>>> instead at
>>>
>>> Does it work with email?
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>>
>>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
>>>> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
>>>> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
>>>> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
>>>> mvdbms list.
>>>
>>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us Pickies
>>> should know that that isn't true!
>>>
>>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the sort of
>>> place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there waiting for me
>>> when I'm ready for it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Wol
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> U2-Community mailing list
>>> U2-Community@...
>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
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[Dawn Wolthuis-2]

Thanks Glenn. I agree that makes sense.

Mike Preece started a u2users google group several years ago and made
me one of the moderators, but it did not get off the ground. It has 71
members. If there ever is chatter about switching the u2-users e-mail
list to a google group, we could turn over this group to new owners,
I'm pretty sure. If anyone wants to chat about that, let me know.
--dawn

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Glenn Sallis <u2ug@...> wrote:

> Hi Dawn,
>
> Certainly I agree that it is important to support the new google group. I am
> already enrolled, since I work with any variant of MV anyone is willing to
> pay me to work with ;-)
>
> I think a google group for the U2UG would also be a step in the right
> direction. It is important for U2 people to be active in both the U2 group
> and the general multivalue group, that way we can share with users of the
> other databases what is happening in U2 and maybe learn about anything the
> other vendors are doing. Collaboration is definitely important. So I still
> believe the U2UG should have it's own group space, but supplementary to, not
> as an alternative, to the general MV google group.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> Am 10.01.2012 20:54, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:
>
>> Hi Glenn -- There are many ways to address this. Some folks did the
>> work to address the comp.database.pick issues (such as the spamming it
>> was getting) and, in the process, had a bigger vision for the
>> MultiValue community. They have this one off the ground with more than
>> 100 people subscribed and growing each day, so I think it would be
>> great to encourage them in this effort. Google Groups have a ton of
>> features, including the ability to use them via email (which is what I
>> do), and you can certainly point to them from any web site so that
>> they appear somewhat (but obviously not exactly) embedded.
>>
>> I would encourage the U2UG to look at collaborating with those working
>> on the mvdbms google group as this was a step in a direction where
>> more collaboration in the mv community could be possible. I, for one,
>> would like to see a highlighted visibility for all of the MV space
>> within the coming years, working toward a big splash for the 2015 20th
>> anniversary of MultiValue. I think we can work to raise all boats if
>> we have some place for MV collaboration, recognizing there will still
>> be a place for U2-specific technical questions, no doubt. At this
>> point I have seen D3 and QM questions on the list, but it is a very
>> new list, so hopefully we will see some U2 and other questions there
>> too. More importantly, from my perspective, are the questions about MV
>> in general, such as whether we want to talk about it in terms of the
>> NoSQL movement or not, whether more of the MV flavors will enhance
>> their DataBASIC offerings for objects, etc.
>>
>> I am very interested in your thoughts, but would really love to see
>> this new group get some use. I am not a moderator or an owner. I am
>> just trying to raise the visibility.  Thanks!  --dawn
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis<u2ug@...>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>>>
>>> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
>>> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
>>> who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
>>> without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
>>> email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
>>> visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
>>> internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about
>>> these
>>> products.
>>>
>>> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website
>>> offer
>>> the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates
>>> when
>>> someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
>>> need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order
>>> to
>>> post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
>>> tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to
>>> the
>>> product!
>>>
>>> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
>>> better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to
>>> go
>>> to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
>>> arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
>>> with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
>>> may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe
>>> the
>>> quality of posts and answers will improve.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>>>
>>>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>>>
>>>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>>>>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>>>>> instead at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does it work with email?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
>>>>> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
>>>>> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
>>>>> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
>>>>> mvdbms list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
>>>> Pickies
>>>> should know that that isn't true!
>>>>
>>>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the sort
>>>> of
>>>> place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there waiting
>>>> for me
>>>> when I'm ready for it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Wol
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> U2-Community mailing list
>>>> U2-Community@...
>>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> U2-Community mailing list
>>> U2-Community@...
>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>
>>
>>
>
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[Dawn Wolthuis-2]

Given that QM, jBASE (IIRC), and this new mvdbms are all google
groups, I think it would be nice and handy for u2-users to also move
in that direction if  it were to move anywhere. This list
(u2-community) is the one I'm referring to with my suggestions here,
but I would be happy if the U2UG would head to a google group too. I
have been using them almost since google started them and would have
no fear of using such a list. Sure, Google could start charging, but
what are the odds of that happening any time soon and how many other
lists would also head for the door at that point. There is a risk to
everything, but using a google group is not a highly risky venture
right now, IMHO.

Alternatively and even more revolutionary, I can imagine the U2UG
considering moving u2-users to the mvdbms list. You can see that D3
users put "D3" at the beginning of the subject and certainly "U2" or
"UV" or "UD" could go there just as easily. Obviously that would be a
much bigger deal, but if we are looking to raise all boats, having a
more hopping forum might help, as you have suggested. I have no doubt
there would be a number of people opposed to this idea, but I am
curious whether anyone else might have thoughts along this line.
Again, that was not the topic here -- this is about seeing whether we
can close down this u2-community list (that I never thought was a good
idea in the first place, quite frankly).

--dawn

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:45 PM, David Jordan <David@...> wrote:

> We looked at google groups.  One issue was that Google Groups takes ownership of the forum.   If you want to move the list to another group they don't make it easy.  If they decide to charge for it, you are locked in.   They can have adverts for competitors targeting users.   There was an issue of control.   Most users on u2-list rejected forums for the issue of if I have to go looking, I probably will not.   I am open minded, but I don't know that Google Groups is the panacea.
>
> One of the issues of forums. If people see questions unanswered in doing searches, then this proves that the MV environment is a dead environment, a perception that is a real issue to overcome.
>
> What worries me more is content.  We need to change where everyone contributes more.   When you see the level on Microsoft forums to the negligible level in MV forums with about 10 contributors we are undermining ourselves.   To be the devil's advocate, the debate about which forum to move to is a bit like swapping deck chairs as the titanic goes down.   What we need to do is reignite passion and interest, which is more than just a forum.
>
> My 2c
> David Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: u2-community-bounces@... [mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 7:11 AM
> To: U2 Users Community
> Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...
>
> Hi Dawn,
>
> Certainly I agree that it is important to support the new google group.
> I am already enrolled, since I work with any variant of MV anyone is willing to pay me to work with ;-)
>
> I think a google group for the U2UG would also be a step in the right direction. It is important for U2 people to be active in both the U2 group and the general multivalue group, that way we can share with users of the other databases what is happening in U2 and maybe learn about anything the other vendors are doing. Collaboration is definitely important. So I still believe the U2UG should have it's own group space, but supplementary to, not as an alternative, to the general MV google group.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> Am 10.01.2012 20:54, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:
>> Hi Glenn -- There are many ways to address this. Some folks did the
>> work to address the comp.database.pick issues (such as the spamming it
>> was getting) and, in the process, had a bigger vision for the
>> MultiValue community. They have this one off the ground with more than
>> 100 people subscribed and growing each day, so I think it would be
>> great to encourage them in this effort. Google Groups have a ton of
>> features, including the ability to use them via email (which is what I
>> do), and you can certainly point to them from any web site so that
>> they appear somewhat (but obviously not exactly) embedded.
>>
>> I would encourage the U2UG to look at collaborating with those working
>> on the mvdbms google group as this was a step in a direction where
>> more collaboration in the mv community could be possible. I, for one,
>> would like to see a highlighted visibility for all of the MV space
>> within the coming years, working toward a big splash for the 2015 20th
>> anniversary of MultiValue. I think we can work to raise all boats if
>> we have some place for MV collaboration, recognizing there will still
>> be a place for U2-specific technical questions, no doubt. At this
>> point I have seen D3 and QM questions on the list, but it is a very
>> new list, so hopefully we will see some U2 and other questions there
>> too. More importantly, from my perspective, are the questions about MV
>> in general, such as whether we want to talk about it in terms of the
>> NoSQL movement or not, whether more of the MV flavors will enhance
>> their DataBASIC offerings for objects, etc.
>>
>> I am very interested in your thoughts, but would really love to see
>> this new group get some use. I am not a moderator or an owner. I am
>> just trying to raise the visibility.  Thanks!  --dawn
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis<u2ug@...>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>>>
>>> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
>>> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or anyone
>>> who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily browse the forums
>>> without having to go through some cumbersome process of registering on an
>>> email list. The vast discussions which take place will then have easier
>>> visibility and that is exactly what U2 needs - a visible community on the
>>> internet where it can be seen that people are generating traffic about these
>>> products.
>>>
>>> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website offer
>>> the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email updates when
>>> someone posts a new message on the forum (via the site). So all you would
>>> need to do is click on the link in the email to go to the site in order to
>>> post your response. Maybe you will even have the option to additionally
>>> tweet your posting and such, bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the
>>> product!
>>>
>>> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website is
>>> better as then the people who really want to post, will be motivated to go
>>> to the website and post, whereas with the current situation of the mails
>>> arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I think it is too easy to answer
>>> with something quick and unhelpful, whereas if it is website based people
>>> may think more concertedly about what they are going to post and maybe the
>>> quality of posts and answers will improve.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>>>
>>>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>>>
>>>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for this
>>>>> list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google group
>>>>> instead at
>>>>
>>>> Does it work with email?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn
>>>>> P.S. If the U2UG board is willing to move in that direction, it would
>>>>> be terrific they could take the initiative to close this community
>>>>> list in favor of joining the broader MultiValue community on the
>>>>> mvdbms list.
>>>>
>>>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us Pickies
>>>> should know that that isn't true!
>>>>
>>>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the sort of
>>>> place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's there waiting for me
>>>> when I'm ready for it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Wol
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[Ross Ferris]

FWIW I took the liberty of creating U2UG as a Google group back in 2006 "just in case". Last time this discussion came up CharlesB (aka Chuck) was president and we discussed switching over, but the points that DavidJ raised, and others, also stopped it then.

If a decision IS made to move, then I'm happy to pass group ownership across to the U2UG Board .... Until then, it is just a silent placeholder, just so that people know :-)

Ross Ferris
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-----Original Message-----
From: u2-community-bounces@... [mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 8:07 AM
To: U2 Users Community
Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...

Thanks Glenn. I agree that makes sense.

Mike Preece started a u2users google group several years ago and made me one of the moderators, but it did not get off the ground. It has 71 members. If there ever is chatter about switching the u2-users e-mail list to a google group, we could turn over this group to new owners, I'm pretty sure. If anyone wants to chat about that, let me know.
--dawn

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Glenn Sallis <u2ug@...> wrote:

> Hi Dawn,
>
> Certainly I agree that it is important to support the new google
> group. I am already enrolled, since I work with any variant of MV
> anyone is willing to pay me to work with ;-)
>
> I think a google group for the U2UG would also be a step in the right
> direction. It is important for U2 people to be active in both the U2
> group and the general multivalue group, that way we can share with
> users of the other databases what is happening in U2 and maybe learn
> about anything the other vendors are doing. Collaboration is
> definitely important. So I still believe the U2UG should have it's own
> group space, but supplementary to, not as an alternative, to the general MV google group.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> Am 10.01.2012 20:54, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:
>
>> Hi Glenn -- There are many ways to address this. Some folks did the
>> work to address the comp.database.pick issues (such as the spamming
>> it was getting) and, in the process, had a bigger vision for the
>> MultiValue community. They have this one off the ground with more
>> than
>> 100 people subscribed and growing each day, so I think it would be
>> great to encourage them in this effort. Google Groups have a ton of
>> features, including the ability to use them via email (which is what
>> I do), and you can certainly point to them from any web site so that
>> they appear somewhat (but obviously not exactly) embedded.
>>
>> I would encourage the U2UG to look at collaborating with those
>> working on the mvdbms google group as this was a step in a direction
>> where more collaboration in the mv community could be possible. I,
>> for one, would like to see a highlighted visibility for all of the MV
>> space within the coming years, working toward a big splash for the
>> 2015 20th anniversary of MultiValue. I think we can work to raise all
>> boats if we have some place for MV collaboration, recognizing there
>> will still be a place for U2-specific technical questions, no doubt.
>> At this point I have seen D3 and QM questions on the list, but it is
>> a very new list, so hopefully we will see some U2 and other questions
>> there too. More importantly, from my perspective, are the questions
>> about MV in general, such as whether we want to talk about it in
>> terms of the NoSQL movement or not, whether more of the MV flavors
>> will enhance their DataBASIC offerings for objects, etc.
>>
>> I am very interested in your thoughts, but would really love to see
>> this new group get some use. I am not a moderator or an owner. I am
>> just trying to raise the visibility.  Thanks!  --dawn
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis<u2ug@...>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>>>
>>> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
>>> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or
>>> anyone who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily
>>> browse the forums without having to go through some cumbersome
>>> process of registering on an email list. The vast discussions which
>>> take place will then have easier visibility and that is exactly what
>>> U2 needs - a visible community on the internet where it can be seen
>>> that people are generating traffic about these products.
>>>
>>> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website
>>> offer the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email
>>> updates when someone posts a new message on the forum (via the
>>> site). So all you would need to do is click on the link in the email
>>> to go to the site in order to post your response. Maybe you will
>>> even have the option to additionally tweet your posting and such,
>>> bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the product!
>>>
>>> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website
>>> is better as then the people who really want to post, will be
>>> motivated to go to the website and post, whereas with the current
>>> situation of the mails arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I
>>> think it is too easy to answer with something quick and unhelpful,
>>> whereas if it is website based people may think more concertedly
>>> about what they are going to post and maybe the quality of posts and
>>> answers will improve.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>>>
>>>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>>>
>>>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for
>>>>> this list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google
>>>>> group instead at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does it work with email?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn P.S. If the U2UG board
>>>>> is willing to move in that direction, it would be terrific they
>>>>> could take the initiative to close this community list in favor of
>>>>> joining the broader MultiValue community on the mvdbms list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
>>>> Pickies should know that that isn't true!
>>>>
>>>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the
>>>> sort of place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's
>>>> there waiting for me when I'm ready for it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Wol
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> U2-Community mailing list
>>>> U2-Community@...
>>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>
>>
>>
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[Dawn Wolthuis]

Great! I hope it is just a matter of time. If people get comfortable with mvdbms for broader Qs they might be surprised that U2 specific Qs might also find a place there. I think it is probably worth still having a separate group for very specific U2 questions but maybe that one can also be used for u2ug business.  So, mvdbms + u2ug google groups could cover, replacing the three lists used today and playing ball with the other MV users without losing the U2-specific efforts too. I would be pleased as punch if the u2ug took Ross up on this.  --dawn

Typed on a mobile keyboard

On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Ross Ferris <rossf@...> wrote:

> FWIW I took the liberty of creating U2UG as a Google group back in 2006 "just in case". Last time this discussion came up CharlesB (aka Chuck) was president and we discussed switching over, but the points that DavidJ raised, and others, also stopped it then.
>
> If a decision IS made to move, then I'm happy to pass group ownership across to the U2UG Board .... Until then, it is just a silent placeholder, just so that people know :-)
>
> Ross Ferris
> Stamina Software
> Visage > Better by Design!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: u2-community-bounces@... [mailto:u2-community-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 8:07 AM
> To: U2 Users Community
> Subject: Re: [U2C] If you have not done so yet...
>
> Thanks Glenn. I agree that makes sense.
>
> Mike Preece started a u2users google group several years ago and made me one of the moderators, but it did not get off the ground. It has 71 members. If there ever is chatter about switching the u2-users e-mail list to a google group, we could turn over this group to new owners, I'm pretty sure. If anyone wants to chat about that, let me know.
> --dawn
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Glenn Sallis <u2ug@...> wrote:
>> Hi Dawn,
>>
>> Certainly I agree that it is important to support the new google
>> group. I am already enrolled, since I work with any variant of MV
>> anyone is willing to pay me to work with ;-)
>>
>> I think a google group for the U2UG would also be a step in the right
>> direction. It is important for U2 people to be active in both the U2
>> group and the general multivalue group, that way we can share with
>> users of the other databases what is happening in U2 and maybe learn
>> about anything the other vendors are doing. Collaboration is
>> definitely important. So I still believe the U2UG should have it's own
>> group space, but supplementary to, not as an alternative, to the general MV google group.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 10.01.2012 20:54, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:
>>
>>> Hi Glenn -- There are many ways to address this. Some folks did the
>>> work to address the comp.database.pick issues (such as the spamming
>>> it was getting) and, in the process, had a bigger vision for the
>>> MultiValue community. They have this one off the ground with more
>>> than
>>> 100 people subscribed and growing each day, so I think it would be
>>> great to encourage them in this effort. Google Groups have a ton of
>>> features, including the ability to use them via email (which is what
>>> I do), and you can certainly point to them from any web site so that
>>> they appear somewhat (but obviously not exactly) embedded.
>>>
>>> I would encourage the U2UG to look at collaborating with those
>>> working on the mvdbms google group as this was a step in a direction
>>> where more collaboration in the mv community could be possible. I,
>>> for one, would like to see a highlighted visibility for all of the MV
>>> space within the coming years, working toward a big splash for the
>>> 2015 20th anniversary of MultiValue. I think we can work to raise all
>>> boats if we have some place for MV collaboration, recognizing there
>>> will still be a place for U2-specific technical questions, no doubt.
>>> At this point I have seen D3 and QM questions on the list, but it is
>>> a very new list, so hopefully we will see some U2 and other questions
>>> there too. More importantly, from my perspective, are the questions
>>> about MV in general, such as whether we want to talk about it in
>>> terms of the NoSQL movement or not, whether more of the MV flavors
>>> will enhance their DataBASIC offerings for objects, etc.
>>>
>>> I am very interested in your thoughts, but would really love to see
>>> this new group get some use. I am not a moderator or an owner. I am
>>> just trying to raise the visibility.  Thanks!  --dawn
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Glenn Sallis<u2ug@...>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am not trying to be argumentative today, honest, but...
>>>>
>>>> I think having a forum directly accessible on the new U2UG website
>>>> (hopefully coming in the future!) is the way forward. Newcomers or
>>>> anyone who stumbles upon the site, can then quickly and easily
>>>> browse the forums without having to go through some cumbersome
>>>> process of registering on an email list. The vast discussions which
>>>> take place will then have easier visibility and that is exactly what
>>>> U2 needs - a visible community on the internet where it can be seen
>>>> that people are generating traffic about these products.
>>>>
>>>> I believe most such forum modules which one can embed into a website
>>>> offer the functionality for a member to subscribe and receive email
>>>> updates when someone posts a new message on the forum (via the
>>>> site). So all you would need to do is click on the link in the email
>>>> to go to the site in order to post your response. Maybe you will
>>>> even have the option to additionally tweet your posting and such,
>>>> bringing yet more visibilty and traffic to the product!
>>>>
>>>> I believe having the forum based on the (future) user group website
>>>> is better as then the people who really want to post, will be
>>>> motivated to go to the website and post, whereas with the current
>>>> situation of the mails arriving directly into ones inbox, well, I
>>>> think it is too easy to answer with something quick and unhelpful,
>>>> whereas if it is website based people may think more concertedly
>>>> about what they are going to post and maybe the quality of posts and
>>>> answers will improve.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Glenn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.01.2012 20:24, schrieb Wols Lists:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/01/12 18:51, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi U2 User Community subscribers --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others might have other opinions, but I see no great reason for
>>>>>> this list to continue if folks can sign up for the mvdbms google
>>>>>> group instead at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it work with email?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mvdbms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope to "see you" there. Cheers!  --dawn P.S. If the U2UG board
>>>>>> is willing to move in that direction, it would be terrific they
>>>>>> could take the initiative to close this community list in favor of
>>>>>> joining the broader MultiValue community on the mvdbms list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why oh why does every one assume that "newer is better"? Surely us
>>>>> Pickies should know that that isn't true!
>>>>>
>>>>> Having taken a quick look, it looks just like a forum, exactly the
>>>>> sort of place that just doesn't work for me. I like email, it's
>>>>> there waiting for me when I'm ready for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Wol
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> U2-Community mailing list
>>>>> U2-Community@...
>>>>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-community
>>>>>
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