In the road for an usable Kivio

Dear mailing list,

        I'm interested in resurrecting Kivio for the 2.2/2.3 release. Because I don't
want to have to guess or reinvent the wheel, I'm writing this mail to ask for
collecting ideas and already known missing functionality as well as possible
reusage of already-written code.
        So, bring it on guys. What can we use from the infrastructure already built?
(mainly, of course, KPresenter and Karbon).

Carlos
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On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Carlos Licea <carlos_licea@...> wrote:

Dear mailing list,

       I'm interested in resurrecting Kivio for the 2.2/2.3 release. Because I don't
want to have to guess or reinvent the wheel, I'm writing this mail to ask for
collecting ideas and already known missing functionality as well as possible
reusage of already-written code.
       So, bring it on guys. What can we use from the infrastructure already built?
(mainly, of course, KPresenter and Karbon).

The most important missing things (for me) are:

Support for text on shapes https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184546
Line ends for connector (there was some work in the isi branch which should be merged)
Stencil loading and docker (Could reuse code from the Karbon svg import filter)

Once these features are done Kivio is ready for release, I think.

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[Inge Wallin-3]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:06:25 Sven Langkamp wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Carlos Licea
<carlos_licea@...>wrote:
> > Dear mailing list,
> >
> >        I'm interested in resurrecting Kivio for the 2.2/2.3 release.

> The most important missing things (for me) are:
>
> Support for text on shapes https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184546

Then you are in luck!  That will appear very soon in the repository courtesy
of Jos van den Oever. :-)

Unfortunately the first implementation will be only for viewing. I don't think
it includes editing, so that still has to be added.

> Line ends for connector (there was some work in the isi branch which should
> be merged)

Yeah, and arrows, right?

> Stencil loading and docker (Could reuse code from the Karbon svg import
> filter)

According to psn on irc today, there is still / already some code to do that
in the "Add shape" docker. I'll let him elaborate on the details.

> Once these features are done Kivio is ready for release, I think.

Also a gui with a useful choice of tools as default, I think, but that should
be minor.

        -Inge

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Inge Wallin <inge@...> wrote:

On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:06:25 Sven Langkamp wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Carlos Licea
<carlos_licea@...>wrote:
> > Dear mailing list,
> >
> >        I'm interested in resurrecting Kivio for the 2.2/2.3 release.

> The most important missing things (for me) are:
>
> Support for text on shapes https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184546

Then you are in luck!  That will appear very soon in the repository courtesy
of Jos van den Oever. :-)

Unfortunately the first implementation will be only for viewing. I don't think
it includes editing, so that still has to be added.

I haven't looked closely at it, but can't that use the normal text shape?
Looking at the EMF shape I think you should consider designing these things directly with editing in mind. Of course doing a view-only implementaion is more convenient, but we would avoid rewriting things to make it editable.

 

> Line ends for connector (there was some work in the isi branch which should
> be merged)

Yeah, and arrows, right?

LIne ends means arrows (at least mostly).
 

> Stencil loading and docker (Could reuse code from the Karbon svg import
> filter)

According to psn on irc today, there is still / already some code to do that
in the "Add shape" docker. I'll let him elaborate on the details.

> Once these features are done Kivio is ready for release, I think.

Also a gui with a useful choice of tools as default, I think, but that should
be minor.

       -Inge

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[Thomas Zander-7]

On Sunday 25. October 2009 02.06.25 Sven Langkamp wrote:
> Stencil loading and docker (Could reuse code from the Karbon svg import
> filter)

We have two plugins for this. Both doing roughly the same currently.
The "Add Shapes" docker (shapecollection) can do this now. But I fear its a
bit simple for kivio.
The "Shapes" docker (shapeselector) has been designed to do this and many
other things. But its unfinished.  There is a page on the wiki describing the
shapeselector design.

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[Inge Wallin-3]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:30:01 Sven Langkamp wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Inge Wallin <inge@...> wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:06:25 Sven Langkamp wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Carlos Licea
> >
> > <carlos_licea@...>wrote:
> > > > Dear mailing list,
> > > >
> > > >        I'm interested in resurrecting Kivio for the 2.2/2.3 release.
> > >
> > > The most important missing things (for me) are:
> > >
> > > Support for text on shapes https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184546
> >
> > Then you are in luck!  That will appear very soon in the repository
> > courtesy
> > of Jos van den Oever. :-)
> >
> > Unfortunately the first implementation will be only for viewing. I don't
> > think
> > it includes editing, so that still has to be added.
>
> I haven't looked closely at it, but can't that use the normal text shape?
> Looking at the EMF shape I think you should consider designing these things
> directly with editing in mind. Of course doing a view-only implementaion is
> more convenient, but we would avoid rewriting things to make it editable.

I don't know how he implemented it.  The normal text shape is probably much to
complex to use in a case like this, but I guess some things can be or are
reused.

Regarding the EMF shape, it is much like the picture shape that we have.  That
one is read-only as well. View it as a picture shape for vector pictures,
which EMF really is.  It's a view format, much like postscript, not a format
to store editable data.
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[jos.van.den.oever]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:39:34 Inge Wallin wrote:

> On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:06:25 Sven Langkamp wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Carlos Licea
>
> <carlos_licea@...>wrote:
> > > Dear mailing list,
> > >
> > >        I'm interested in resurrecting Kivio for the 2.2/2.3 release.
> >
> > The most important missing things (for me) are:
> >
> > Support for text on shapes https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184546
>
> Then you are in luck!  That will appear very soon in the repository
>  courtesy of Jos van den Oever. :-)

No, I'm afraid not, for the bug I was fixing (show text in simple drawings)
this was not required. That bug was a bug in the import filter. Whether I will
pick up bug 184546 depends on the relative priorities to other bugs.

Cheers,
Jos

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