InkscapeForum.com for offer to Inkscape.org

[microUgly]

If you don't know, I run www.inkscapeforum.com--a relatively successful phpBB forum for Inkscape users.

I created the forum because I knew there was demand and at the time I knew I could devote a lot of time to make it successful.  But I was never fond of the idea that a single person would have ownership of the data accumulated from the community.

I wanted to offer ownership of the forum to Inkscape.org.  Ideally this only needs to go as far as knowing that if I were hit by a bus, someone could step in and take over.  I don't know how things are ran on the inkscape.org site, but I would be offering the entire setup to be hosted by inkscape.org (if possible).

I would happily continue to moderate, and administer the board if appropriate access were given.  And I would redirect inkscapeforum.com to the new domain, or change it's name servers.

Anyway, discussion open.  Would Inkscape.org be interested in adopting the forum?  The forum won't be shutdown regardless of the answer.

[Aurélio A. Heckert]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:24 AM, microUgly<drworm@...> wrote:

> (...)
>
> I wanted to offer ownership of the forum to Inkscape.org.  Ideally this only
> needs to go as far as knowing that if I were hit by a bus, someone could
> step in and take over.  I don't know how things are ran on the inkscape.org
> site, but I would be offering the entire setup to be hosted by inkscape.org
> (if possible).
>
> I would happily continue to moderate, and administer the board if
> appropriate access were given.  And I would redirect inkscapeforum.com to
> the new domain, or change it's name servers.

Nice attitude! I think is good for the project to hug the forum.

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[Ted Gould]

On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 21:24 -0700, microUgly wrote:

> If you don't know, I run www.inkscapeforum.com--a relatively successful phpBB
> forum for Inkscape users.
>
> I created the forum because I knew there was demand and at the time I knew I
> could devote a lot of time to make it successful.  But I was never fond of
> the idea that a single person would have ownership of the data accumulated
> from the community.
>
> I wanted to offer ownership of the forum to Inkscape.org.  Ideally this only
> needs to go as far as knowing that if I were hit by a bus, someone could
> step in and take over.  I don't know how things are ran on the inkscape.org
> site, but I would be offering the entire setup to be hosted by inkscape.org
> (if possible).
>
> I would happily continue to moderate, and administer the board if
> appropriate access were given.  And I would redirect inkscapeforum.com to
> the new domain, or change it's name servers.
>
> Anyway, discussion open.  Would Inkscape.org be interested in adopting the
> forum?  The forum won't be shutdown regardless of the answer.

I think this is a great idea.  I'm not sure of a plan that will get us
there.  Where is inkscapeforum.com currently hosted?  What kind of
resources does it need to run?

                --Ted



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[Diederik van Lierop]

On 07/27/2009 06:24 AM, microUgly wrote:
> Anyway, discussion open.  Would Inkscape.org be interested in adopting the
> forum?  The forum won't be shutdown regardless of the answer.

Yes please! Then we can finally get rid of these ugly and unusable
sourceforge forums!

BTW, may I thank you for your contribution to the Inkscape community?

Diederik

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[microUgly]

Ted Gould wrote:

I think this is a great idea.  I'm not sure of a plan that will get us
there.  Where is inkscapeforum.com currently hosted?  What kind of
resources does it need to run?

It's currently hosted on Dreamhost.  It requires PHP 4 and MySQL 5 (although I think it could be downgraded to MySQL 4).

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Diederik van Lierop  wrote:
> On 07/27/2009 06:24 AM, microUgly wrote:
>> Anyway, discussion open.  Would Inkscape.org be interested in adopting the
>> forum?  The forum won't be shutdown regardless of the answer.
>
> Yes please! Then we can finally get rid of these ugly and unusable
> sourceforge forums!

And never move website to a new engine? :-)

Alexandre

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[Chris Morgan-10]

And never move website to a new engine? :-)

The whole website redesign to Drupal project seems to have gone stale; my suggestion is that I take it over and come up with something.  The pertinent detail for this discussion is that then we could use Drupal forums, which in my opinion are the best available; as an example of a good implementation (though I had nothing to do with it), our forums at PortableApps.com.  I've got the Drupal experience necessary to do the theming and site setup, and am coming up with a design based on one of the others submitted in the original DeviantArt topic.  If you like, I'll continue on making a prototype and provide a test site online.

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[Jarek Foksa]

Hi,
I should have my basic theme ported to Drupal during this weekend. It
currently looks like this [1], and when finished it will look like this [2].
Could I use inkscape.org/drupal as a test site? I would need account with
privileges to create content and custom views and to upload template files.

[1] http://wstaw.org/p/23da
[2] http://wstaw.org/p/23ddOn

PS, sorry for double-posting.

On 07/29/2009 08:00:11 AM, Chris Morgan wrote:

> The whole website redesign to Drupal project seems to have gone stale; my
> suggestion is that I take it over and come up with something.  The pertinent
> detail for this discussion is that then we could use Drupal forums, which in
> my opinion are the best available; as an example of a good implementation
> (though I had nothing to do with it), our forums at
> PortableApps.com<http://portableapps.com/forums>.
> I've got the Drupal experience necessary to do the theming and site setup,
> and am coming up with a design based on one of the others submitted in the
> original DeviantArt topic.  If you like, I'll continue on making a prototype
> and provide a test site online.

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[Mark T-2]

I do not want to distract from the possible solve Chris's Drupal offer may provide.

Though I've been distracted myself with the prospect of doing an svg based forum design.

I've seen so many excellent things in Inkscape.
I have been provoked into working on a web-store for Inkscape files.
(A separate thread).
..Back to the forum.

So:
-------------------------------------
Such a design would use as much Inkscape as possible/applicable.
  Certainly a delightful prospect!
Should present reasonable forum expectations.
Should be as backend-agnostic as possible.
  Which could mean the use of xml + xsl => svg 'portions'.
Be using a browser target priority of 1) Firefox 3.5...  ... see Browser notes below.
  Use animation where applicable, fakeSMIL <script> if necessarry.

There are significant javascript hooks in Inkscape so that xml+xsl transformations can be small routines in javascript.

Browser notes:
------------------
Firefox + fakeSMIL = ok.
Opera = ok.
Safari = ok.
IE + firefox plugin = ok. (http://www.savarese.com/software/svgplugin/).
  (Really, if an ie user is not ok with this, then can download Firefox portable).
  Pragmatically speaking, interest in Inkscape implies readiness to be .this. flexible.
There will be some script isues.
Some can be avoided by using x-browser 'modules'. eg For xhttprequest, xsl transformations.

Auth notes:
--------------
OpenID as an Auth agent. Others to follow.

Other technical mechanics:
---------------------------------
Small data references & text can be 'POST'ed to an OpenID'd session.
XML + XSL  can be xhttpRequest 'GET'ed.
This can be the basis of a xml+xsl delivery mechanism.
========================================================

?

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[heathenx-2]

I think this sounds like a great idea. I refer a lot of people there. It's a great place to ask
questions and learn new things. Not sure if my vote matters but I would recommend microUgly maintain
some kind of a leadership role (mod, maintainer) on that forum if it does move over to inkscape.org.
He is well respected and it would be in great hands. :)


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[David Robertson-9]

I had some trouble posting to the list - sorry if this duplicates.

2009/7/29 Jarosław Foksa <jfoksa@...>

Hi,
I should have my basic theme ported to Drupal during this weekend. It
currently looks like this [1], and when finished it will look like this [2].

On 07/29/2009 08:00:11 AM, Chris Morgan wrote:
> The whole website redesign to Drupal project seems to have gone stale; my
> suggestion is that I take it over and come up with something.

If people are interested in a drupal theme, there were some good draft designs from the deivant art contest , one of which I made a HTML mockup of. I've done another mockup of another design (better, IMHO), too, but bear in mind they're just mockups! There was talk of having a drupal theme that would allow the viewer to select different stylesheets, so maybe these could help here.

Also, it'd be nice if there is any theme work to post it on inkscape.org or somewhere, so the community doesn't have to subscribe to -devel to know about it :)

Thanks,
  Dave.

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[Jarek Foksa]

Yeah, those were my terrible designs from last year, but I'm glad that at
least you liked them ;)
I have attached SVG file of the design that I'm currently porting to Drupal.
The template needs some really awesome header graphics, which I'm unable to
design myself.

On 07/29/2009 02:11:21 PM, David Robertson wrote:
> If people are interested in a drupal theme, there were some good draft
> designs from the deivant art
> contest<http://inkscapers.deviantart.com/journal/17274523/?
> offset=0#comments>,
> one of which I made a HTML
> mockup of<http://mr-imaginative.deviantart.com/art/Inkscape-org-redesign-
> markup-97029422>.
> I've done another mockup of another
> design<http://noveltybeard.co.cc/inkscape/>(better, IMHO), too,





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[David Robertson-9]

I have attached SVG file of the design that I'm currently porting to Drupal.

Nice! How's that going? If you need any testing or anything, I might be able to help! :) 

 

The template needs some really awesome header graphics, which I'm unable to
design myself.

Maybe we could take something from one of the about screens (there's tons of proposals on deviant art). Other than that, a nice big Inkscape logo seems like a good place to start! There's always open clipart, too :)

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I have also started to work on converting one of deviant submissions
into a drupal theme, but have been swamped with work so it never gets
finished. You can count me in for drupal work though :)

One of my projects included porting a phpBB forum to drupal 6 so I have
the scripts if needed. You can always continue to use phpBB, but porting
to drupal advanced forum makes the forum more integrated with some very
useful drupal infrastructure.

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[Chris Morgan-10]

The theme I was basing my work on was duckgoesoink's submission at the bottom of http://inkscapers.deviantart.com/journal/17274523/.  I've changed the paint tube and brush to the cup etc. of the 0.47 splash, and updated the logo to the new logo and adjusted some of the sizes.  Below the four big buttons I'm changing it all around to a more traditional design of menus on the left and content in the main area rather than menus down the bottom (it works for some sites but I don't think it's the best way for inkscape.org) - similar in structure to what it's currently like.  I haven't started the Drupal coding of the theme, but that's generally pretty quick to do.  I think I'll start it tonight.

As we haven't got a spot for it on inkscape.org, I'll be setting up something at http://inkscape.chrismorgan.info/ (nothing there yet) with the prototype, all the content transferred and the themes people come up with - if you've got a theme you want to submit or similar, email it to me and I'll put it on when I do it (next couple of days I think) along with the theme switcher module so people can try out the different options.  For assurance for those that don't know about Drupal processes, if we then want to transfer it it's simple to do, you don't need to rebuild it from scratch.

Mihaela: I don't like the advanced forum modules myself, I like just the core forum package much more.  It focuses on the information, having the content there rather than wasting lots of space with information about the user which you don't need to know, and things like that.  It's the "plainness" compared to other forum packages that really appeals to me about the core Drupal forum system - finding information in a Drupal forum is easier than any other forum system that I know of.

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Chris Morgan wrote:

As we haven't got a spot for it on inkscape.org, I'll be setting up something at http://inkscape.chrismorgan.info/ (nothing there yet) with the prototype, all the content transferred and the themes people come up with - if you've got a theme you want to submit or similar, email it to me and I'll put it on when I do it (next couple of days I think) along with the theme switcher module so people can try out the different options.  For assurance for those that don't know about Drupal processes, if we then want to transfer it it's simple to do, you don't need to rebuild it from scratch.

Nice :)

Mihaela: I don't like the advanced forum modules myself, I like just the core forum package much more.  It focuses on the information, having the content there rather than wasting lots of space with information about the user which you don't need to know, and things like that.  It's the "plainness" compared to other forum packages that really appeals to me about the core Drupal forum system - finding information in a Drupal forum is easier than any other forum system that I know of.

-- Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser@...>


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I assumed it would be Advanced forum because otherwise you'd lose information in migration, because core drupal forum doesn't support many of the features from a "usual" forum. To me it seems it's just a matter of the theme to make parts of content more or less visible/pronounced, you can change the template for the forum and style it as you like :)

Mihaela

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[~suv-2]

On 27/7/09 06:24, microUgly wrote:

> If you don't know, I run www.inkscapeforum.com--a relatively successful phpBB
> forum for Inkscape users.
>
> I created the forum because I knew there was demand and at the time I knew I
> could devote a lot of time to make it successful.  But I was never fond of
> the idea that a single person would have ownership of the data accumulated
> from the community.
>
> I wanted to offer ownership of the forum to Inkscape.org.  Ideally this only
> needs to go as far as knowing that if I were hit by a bus, someone could
> step in and take over.  I don't know how things are ran on the inkscape.org
> site, but I would be offering the entire setup to be hosted by inkscape.org
> (if possible).
>
> I would happily continue to moderate, and administer the board if
> appropriate access were given.  And I would redirect inkscapeforum.com to
> the new domain, or change it's name servers.
>
> Anyway, discussion open.  Would Inkscape.org be interested in adopting the
> forum?  The forum won't be shutdown regardless of the answer.

*bump*

please don't let that offer slip and integrate the forum (in its current
form) into Inkscape.org. It is a valuable resource for Inkscape users
thanks to microUgly's efforts!

<http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3710>

It would be too bad if that resource disappears due to some
misunderstandings about the homepage redesign plans and their currently
unclear status (that's at least my impression about the plans from the
recent discussions here, in other threads ;-).

~suv

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