Insteon KeypadLinc buttons.

[George Farris-4]

Hi all,

I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
layout:

Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06

Or does the A button start at :02?

Thanks
George



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[boyfly]

And I just got an 8-button KeypadLinc, so if we could get the layout for both, that would be great.

Thanks!

Jens

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, George Farris <farrisg@...> wrote:

From: George Farris <farrisg@...>
Subject: [mh] Insteon KeypadLinc buttons.
To: misterhouse-users@...
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 3:32 PM

Hi all,

I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
layout:

Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06

Or does the A button start at :02?

Thanks
George



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[Marc MERLIN-7]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:38:50PM -0800, Jens Torell wrote:
> And I just got an 8-button KeypadLinc, so if we could get the layout for both, that would be great.
 

> Hi all,
>
> I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
> layout:
>
> Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
> Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
> A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
> B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
> C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
> D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06
>
> Or does the A button start at :02?

 
The quick way to make sure is to just push the buttons after pairing to the
PLM and see what codes you get in the log :)

Off button is like On, it's :01 (two buttons on the same Id)

6 buttons looks like this (6 buttons but 5 Ids)
IPLL,   11.E1.9D:01,    mbr_kpl,                All_Lights,             PLM,
IPLL,   11.E1.9D:02,    mbr_kpl_mbr_lamp3,      mbr_kplB|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   11.E1.9D:03,    mbr_kpl_mbr_outside,    mbr_kplC|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   11.E1.9D:04,    mbr_kpl_kplD,           mbr_kplD|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   11.E1.9D:05,    mbr_kpl_kplE,           mbr_kplE|buttons,       PLM,

8 buttons looks like that (8 buttons, 8 Ids)
IPLL,   0E.07.49:01,    fmr_kpl,         All_Lights|fmr_both,
IPLL,   0E.07.49:02,    fmr_kpl_kitchen_kpl,    fmr_kplB|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   0E.07.49:03,    fmr_kpl_dining_kpl,     fmr_kplC|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   0E.07.49:04,    fmr_kpl_entryway,       fmr_kplD|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   0E.07.49:05,    fmr_kpl_lvr_kpl,        fmr_kplE|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   0E.07.49:06,    fmr_kpl_fmr_outside,    fmr_kplF|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   0E.07.49:07,    fmr_kpl_garage_both,    fmr_kplG|buttons,       PLM,
IPLL,   0E.07.49:08,    fmr_kpl_yard_lights,    fmr_kplH|buttons,       PLM,

Marc
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[George Farris-4]

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:13 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:38:50PM -0800, Jens Torell wrote:
> > And I just got an 8-button KeypadLinc, so if we could get the layout for both, that would be great.
>  
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
> > layout:
> >
> > Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
> > Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
> > A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
> > B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
> > C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
> > D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06
> >
> > Or does the A button start at :02?
>  
> The quick way to make sure is to just push the buttons after pairing to the
> PLM and see what codes you get in the log :)
>
> Off button is like On, it's :01 (two buttons on the same Id)
>
> 6 buttons looks like this (6 buttons but 5 Ids)
> IPLL,   11.E1.9D:01,    mbr_kpl,                All_Lights,             PLM,
> IPLL,   11.E1.9D:02,    mbr_kpl_mbr_lamp3,      mbr_kplB|buttons,       PLM,
> IPLL,   11.E1.9D:03,    mbr_kpl_mbr_outside,    mbr_kplC|buttons,       PLM,
> IPLL,   11.E1.9D:04,    mbr_kpl_kplD,           mbr_kplD|buttons,       PLM,
> IPLL,   11.E1.9D:05,    mbr_kpl_kplE,           mbr_kplE|buttons,       PLM,

Okay according to that A-D is 02-05.  I've just looked through some of
the mail list stuff and one had button A (I assume) on 03 so I was
starting to get a bit confused.  Below was from an email on the list.

# 6-Button KeypadLinc
IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:01, Garage_Light, All_Lights|Outside, plm
IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:03, Living_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:04, Dining_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:05, Family_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:06, Kitchen_Button, Buttons, plm


Cheers



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[George Farris-4]

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:58 -0800, George Farris wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:13 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:38:50PM -0800, Jens Torell wrote:
> > > And I just got an 8-button KeypadLinc, so if we could get the layout for both, that would be great.
> >  
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
> > > layout:
> > >
> > > Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
> > > Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
> > > A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
> > > B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
> > > C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
> > > D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06
> > >
> > > Or does the A button start at :02?
> >  
> > The quick way to make sure is to just push the buttons after pairing to the
> > PLM and see what codes you get in the log :)
> >
> > Off button is like On, it's :01 (two buttons on the same Id)
> >
> > 6 buttons looks like this (6 buttons but 5 Ids)
> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:01,    mbr_kpl,                All_Lights,             PLM,
> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:02,    mbr_kpl_mbr_lamp3,      mbr_kplB|buttons,       PLM,
> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:03,    mbr_kpl_mbr_outside,    mbr_kplC|buttons,       PLM,
> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:04,    mbr_kpl_kplD,           mbr_kplD|buttons,       PLM,
> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:05,    mbr_kpl_kplE,           mbr_kplE|buttons,       PLM,
>
> Okay according to that A-D is 02-05.  I've just looked through some of
> the mail list stuff and one had button A (I assume) on 03 so I was
> starting to get a bit confused.  Below was from an email on the list.
>
> # 6-Button KeypadLinc
> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:01, Garage_Light, All_Lights|Outside, plm
> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:03, Living_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:04, Dining_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:05, Family_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:06, Kitchen_Button, Buttons, plm
>
>

Okay this is weird, my mht file shows this:

# 6 Button KeypadLinc
IPLL,  12.BD.CA:01, backdoor_light, All_Lights|Outside, plm
IPLL,  12.BD.CA:02, backdoor_button_A, buttons, plm
IPLL,  12.BD.CA:03, backdoor_button_B, buttons, plm
IPLL,  12.BD.CA:04, backdoor_button_C, buttons, plm
IPLL,  12.BD.CA:05, backdoor_button_D, buttons, plm


# Backdoor scene
IPLL, plm:01, backdoor_scene, scenes, plm
SCENE_MEMBER, carport_recpt, backdoor_scene, 100%, 0.1s
SCENE_MEMBER, carport_recpt, backdoor_button_A, 100%, 0.1s
SCENE_MEMBER, backdoor_button_A, backdoor_scene

The link table shows this:

11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] ALL-Link Record
Response:0257a20212bdca000000
11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] Parsing serial data: 026a15
11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
$carport_recpt(01) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] cntlr(01) record to $carport_recpt
(d1=01, d2=00, d3=00)
11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
$backdoor_light(01) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] cntlr(01) record to $backdoor_light
(d1=01, d2=00, d3=00)
11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
$backdoor_button_A(02) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
11/05/09 03:32:00 PM: Saving object states ... done

but the web interface shows buttons A,C and D as "-> Unk" and button B
as "OFF" which I take as button B is the only one linked but.....

I've deleted orphaned links, I've scanned all link tables, I've run sync
all links.

I'm totally confused now.

Cheers
George



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[Brian Clark-11]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:37 PM, George Farris <farrisg@...> wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:58 -0800, George Farris wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:13 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
>> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:38:50PM -0800, Jens Torell wrote:
>> > > And I just got an 8-button KeypadLinc, so if we could get the layout for both, that would be great.
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
>> > > layout:
>> > >
>> > > Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
>> > > Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
>> > > A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
>> > > B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
>> > > C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
>> > > D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06
>> > >
>> > > Or does the A button start at :02?
>> >
>> > The quick way to make sure is to just push the buttons after pairing to the
>> > PLM and see what codes you get in the log :)
>> >
>> > Off button is like On, it's :01 (two buttons on the same Id)
>> >
>> > 6 buttons looks like this (6 buttons but 5 Ids)
>> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:01,    mbr_kpl,                All_Lights,             PLM,
>> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:02,    mbr_kpl_mbr_lamp3,      mbr_kplB|buttons,       PLM,
>> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:03,    mbr_kpl_mbr_outside,    mbr_kplC|buttons,       PLM,
>> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:04,    mbr_kpl_kplD,           mbr_kplD|buttons,       PLM,
>> > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:05,    mbr_kpl_kplE,           mbr_kplE|buttons,       PLM,
>>
>> Okay according to that A-D is 02-05.  I've just looked through some of
>> the mail list stuff and one had button A (I assume) on 03 so I was
>> starting to get a bit confused.  Below was from an email on the list.
>>
>> # 6-Button KeypadLinc
>> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:01, Garage_Light, All_Lights|Outside, plm
>> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:03, Living_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
>> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:04, Dining_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
>> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:05, Family_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
>> IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:06, Kitchen_Button, Buttons, plm
>>
>>
>
> Okay this is weird, my mht file shows this:
>
> # 6 Button KeypadLinc
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:01, backdoor_light, All_Lights|Outside, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:02, backdoor_button_A, buttons, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:03, backdoor_button_B, buttons, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:04, backdoor_button_C, buttons, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:05, backdoor_button_D, buttons, plm
>
>
> # Backdoor scene
> IPLL, plm:01, backdoor_scene, scenes, plm
> SCENE_MEMBER, carport_recpt, backdoor_scene, 100%, 0.1s
> SCENE_MEMBER, carport_recpt, backdoor_button_A, 100%, 0.1s
> SCENE_MEMBER, backdoor_button_A, backdoor_scene
>
> The link table shows this:
>
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] ALL-Link Record
> Response:0257a20212bdca000000
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] Parsing serial data: 026a15
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
> $carport_recpt(01) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] cntlr(01) record to $carport_recpt
> (d1=01, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
> $backdoor_light(01) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] cntlr(01) record to $backdoor_light
> (d1=01, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
> $backdoor_button_A(02) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:32:00 PM: Saving object states ... done
>
> but the web interface shows buttons A,C and D as "-> Unk" and button B
> as "OFF" which I take as button B is the only one linked but.....
>
> I've deleted orphaned links, I've scanned all link tables, I've run sync
> all links.
>
> I'm totally confused now.
>
> Cheers
> George
>
>
>
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The 8-button keypadlinc is obvious (:1-:8). The 6-button that I have
works like George's (a=3, b=4, c=5, d=6) - perhaps two different
versions exist? Just create a scene that toggles button 3 and see if
that lights up A or B.

- Brian

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[George Farris-4]

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 15:37 -0800, George Farris wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:58 -0800, George Farris wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:13 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:38:50PM -0800, Jens Torell wrote:
> > > > And I just got an 8-button KeypadLinc, so if we could get the layout for both, that would be great.
> > >  
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
> > > > layout:
> > > >
> > > > Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
> > > > Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
> > > > A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
> > > > B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
> > > > C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
> > > > D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06
> > > >
> > > > Or does the A button start at :02?
> > >  
> > > The quick way to make sure is to just push the buttons after pairing to the
> > > PLM and see what codes you get in the log :)
> > >
> > > Off button is like On, it's :01 (two buttons on the same Id)
> > >
> > > 6 buttons looks like this (6 buttons but 5 Ids)
> > > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:01,    mbr_kpl,                All_Lights,             PLM,
> > > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:02,    mbr_kpl_mbr_lamp3,      mbr_kplB|buttons,       PLM,
> > > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:03,    mbr_kpl_mbr_outside,    mbr_kplC|buttons,       PLM,
> > > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:04,    mbr_kpl_kplD,           mbr_kplD|buttons,       PLM,
> > > IPLL,   11.E1.9D:05,    mbr_kpl_kplE,           mbr_kplE|buttons,       PLM,
> >
> > Okay according to that A-D is 02-05.  I've just looked through some of
> > the mail list stuff and one had button A (I assume) on 03 so I was
> > starting to get a bit confused.  Below was from an email on the list.
> >
> > # 6-Button KeypadLinc
> > IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:01, Garage_Light, All_Lights|Outside, plm
> > IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:03, Living_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
> > IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:04, Dining_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
> > IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:05, Family_Room_Button, Buttons, plm
> > IPLL, 0B.4C.0F:06, Kitchen_Button, Buttons, plm
> >
> >
>
> Okay this is weird, my mht file shows this:
>
> # 6 Button KeypadLinc
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:01, backdoor_light, All_Lights|Outside, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:02, backdoor_button_A, buttons, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:03, backdoor_button_B, buttons, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:04, backdoor_button_C, buttons, plm
> IPLL,  12.BD.CA:05, backdoor_button_D, buttons, plm
>
>
> # Backdoor scene
> IPLL, plm:01, backdoor_scene, scenes, plm
> SCENE_MEMBER, carport_recpt, backdoor_scene, 100%, 0.1s
> SCENE_MEMBER, carport_recpt, backdoor_button_A, 100%, 0.1s
> SCENE_MEMBER, backdoor_button_A, backdoor_scene
>
> The link table shows this:
>
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] ALL-Link Record
> Response:0257a20212bdca000000
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] Parsing serial data: 026a15
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
> $carport_recpt(01) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] cntlr(01) record to $carport_recpt
> (d1=01, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
> $backdoor_light(01) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] cntlr(01) record to $backdoor_light
> (d1=01, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:31:58 PM [Insteon_PLM] responder record to
> $backdoor_button_A(02) (d1=00, d2=00, d3=00)
> 11/05/09 03:32:00 PM: Saving object states ... done
>
> but the web interface shows buttons A,C and D as "-> Unk" and button B
> as "OFF" which I take as button B is the only one linked but.....
>
> I've deleted orphaned links, I've scanned all link tables, I've run sync
> all links.
>
> I'm totally confused now.

I just got home, was doing this all remotely.  The scene doesn't work
and indeed no log information shows up when I press any of the A,B,C or
D buttons.  Seems the plm doesn't see them.

Cheers



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[George Farris-4]

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 16:08 -0800, Brian Clark wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:37 PM, George Farris <farrisg@...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:58 -0800, George Farris wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:13 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:38:50PM -0800, Jens Torell wrote:
> >> > > And I just got an 8-button KeypadLinc, so if we could get the layout for both, that would be great.
> >> >
> >> > > Hi all,
> >> > >
> >> > > I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
> >> > > layout:
> >> > >
> >> > > Top ON button -> xx.xx.xx:01
> >> > > Bottom OFF    -> xx.xx.xx:02
> >> > > A button      -> xx.xx.xx:03
> >> > > B button      -> xx.xx.xx:04
> >> > > C button      -> xx.xx.xx:05
> >> > > D button      -> xx.xx.xx:06
> >> > >

> The 8-button keypadlinc is obvious (:1-:8). The 6-button that I have
> works like George's (a=3, b=4, c=5, d=6) - perhaps two different
> versions exist? Just create a scene that toggles button 3 and see if
> that lights up A or B.

Yes I've changed it back to A = 03 and it works, now all I need to do is
try get the light on the A key synced.  It seems my scene doesn't quite
work.

Cheers and thanks for the confirmation, I'll update the wiki with this
as it is sure to cause all manor of confusion.

George



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[Jim Duda]

George,

The ON/OFF function uses :01

:02 is not used (not sure why)

A Button starts with :03

Jim

On 11/05/2009 04:32 PM, George Farris wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just bought a 6 button KeypadLinc.  Can anyone please confirm this
> layout:
>
> Top ON button ->  xx.xx.xx:01
> Bottom OFF    ->  xx.xx.xx:02
> A button      ->  xx.xx.xx:03
> B button      ->  xx.xx.xx:04
> C button      ->  xx.xx.xx:05
> D button      ->  xx.xx.xx:06
>
> Or does the A button start at :02?
>
> Thanks
> George
>
>
>
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[Marc MERLIN-7]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:34:46PM -0500, Jim Duda wrote:
> George,
>
> The ON/OFF function uses :01
>
> :02 is not used (not sure why)
>
> A Button starts with :03

Argh, I may just be the one who has it wrong. I only have one KPL with 6
buttons and now that you mention it I wasn't able to auto sync pairings to
it.

It actually makes sense because the dip switch under A is actually button #3
if you use the 8 button mapping.

Sorry for the misinformation.


Marc
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