Intel's Silverthorne, MID, UMPC, Future ARM Killer?

[Xiaofan Chen]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3230

It seems that Silverthorne is an interesting product which may fuel
the growth of MID and UMPC. It might even be a killer for high-end
ARM processor in the future (further power consumption reduction
is necessory to beat ARM).

Xiaofan
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[Herbert Graf-2]

On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 09:50 +0800, Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3230
>
> It seems that Silverthorne is an interesting product which may fuel
> the growth of MID and UMPC. It might even be a killer for high-end
> ARM processor in the future

Absolutely.

> (further power consumption reduction
> is necessory to beat ARM).

Is it necessary? While reducing power further is certain good, I don't
think Intel needs to match ARM to beat ARM. x86 is such a powerful
benefit to these CPUs, ARM will have to bring MANY advantages to the
table to beat the x86 compatibility.

Just IMHO.

TTYL
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[SM Ling]

>
>
> Is it necessary? While reducing power further is certain good, I don't
> think Intel needs to match ARM to beat ARM. x86 is such a powerful
> benefit to these CPUs, ARM will have to bring MANY advantages to the
> table to beat the x86 compatibility.
>
>
Intel has sold off its RISC investment, and is gunning the x86 power on the
mobile phone market.  Is the x86 compatibility a formidable factor to
contend in the mobile phone or smart phone arena?  Are the mobile phone
users and environment same as the PC?  I have my doubts.

Playing with the N95 for a while now, I am more inclined to bet on the
Google clients, OS and Google online applications.  It shall be a battle of
software service.  Processor is irrelevant. iPhone with its totally welded
up structure shall be a passing fad.

Cheers, Ling SM
PS: I clear my gmail 50-100% faster through the mobile phone platform than
through PC.  To delete a mail, I just need to press '7' twice.
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[Herbert Graf-2]

On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 20:42 +0800, SM Ling wrote:

> >
> >
> > Is it necessary? While reducing power further is certain good, I don't
> > think Intel needs to match ARM to beat ARM. x86 is such a powerful
> > benefit to these CPUs, ARM will have to bring MANY advantages to the
> > table to beat the x86 compatibility.
> >
> >
> Intel has sold off its RISC investment, and is gunning the x86 power on the
> mobile phone market.  Is the x86 compatibility a formidable factor to
> contend in the mobile phone or smart phone arena?  Are the mobile phone
> users and environment same as the PC?  I have my doubts.

I don't. x86 compatibility is huge these days. There are so many
development tools, and so much collective knowledge on how to do x86 in
so many different ways I believe it REALLY gives a built in advantage to
any other platform.

There was a time when the added silicon complexity required to support
x86 was a major problem, even on the very high end. These days silicon
is getting so cheap, and ways of making x86 more manageable are so
refined that problem has all but dissappear.

I suppose we'll see! :)

TTYL
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[William "Chops" Westfield]

On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:42 AM, SM Ling wrote:

> Are the mobile phone
> users and environment same as the PC?  I have my doubts.

I have my doubts too.  I would have bet that PalmOS, as an operating  
system designed for palmtop computers, would have succeeded over  
WinCE, which looked to be a pared down version of a desktop windows  
OS.  But I seem to have been wrong.  "Never underestimate the  
laziness of programmmers" ?

BillW

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[Xiaofan Chen]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 5:40 AM, William Chops Westfield <westfw@...> wrote:
>
> On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:42 AM, SM Ling wrote:
>
> > Are the mobile phone
> > users and environment same as the PC?  I have my doubts.

I have my doubts as well. But it will get more and more similar
in the end, especially in the higher-end smart phone/PDA phone.
It is said that the next generation computing platform will be the
mobile phone.

> I have my doubts too.  I would have bet that PalmOS, as an operating
> system designed for palmtop computers, would have succeeded over
> WinCE, which looked to be a pared down version of a desktop windows
> OS.  But I seem to have been wrong.  "Never underestimate the
> laziness of programmmers" ?

Palm OS is now losing to Windows CE and Linux, finally. Symbian OS,
on the other hand, is now dominating the phone OS market.

I am not a programmer but I guess Windows CE is more for
the lazy programmer than Palm OS since the API is a subset
of Win32 API and the programmer mostly already know Win32
API.

Xiaofan
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