Into the World of Modular- Basic Questions

[moogmoog69]

Hi List, I think I might finally dive into the mighty world of modular
synthesis : ) But I have a few basic questions if anyone has the time to
answer.

1) I have been looking at dot com systems/modules and was thinking about
getting the entry level system but exchanging the MIDI interface module for
an Instrument interface and a sample and hold module. I noticed that
synthesizers.com does not make a seperate LFO module and I am guessing that
you just use one of the oscillators (Q106) as an LFO. Is this correct and if
so, is there a way to use the module as a regular oscillator playing notes
while acting as an LFO or do you designate one of your Q106 modules as your
LFO and the other as your main oscillator? It looks like a single Q106
oscillator module can output multiple waves at a time????

2) With a modular system, what module acts as the final output stage to my
mixer/speakers? Can I use the basic VCA module or do I need one of the 4
channel mixer modules?

3) With a basic entry level system, do I really need a multiples module?

Any help would be much appreciated. I am fairly familiar with analog
synthesis but have never explored the modular world. I want a setup where I
will have the basic "bread and butter" synth operations but also good
modulation options.

Don't want to start any battles, but can I get an opinion or two about dot
com systems? I really don't know where to start... Too many options.

I am trying to decide if I really want to go the modular route or just hold
off for an MS 20. Hmm..


Thanks!

Ryan

Teleprompter Music

[SRRecords]

 1) use a separate Q106 as the LFO

 2) I typically go straight from VCA
3) definitely.....you will regret not having multiples if you opt out.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Wilson <telepromptermusic@...>
To: analogue@...
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 5:40 pm
Subject: [AH] Into the World of Modular- Basic Questions










Hi List, I think I might finally dive into the mighty world of modular
synthesis : ) But I have a few basic questions if anyone has the time to
answer.

1) I have been looking at dot com systems/modules and was thinking about
getting the entry level system but exchanging the MIDI interface module for
an Instrument interface and a sample and hold module. I noticed that
synthesizers.com does not make a seperate LFO module and I am guessing that
you just use one of the oscillators (Q106) as an LFO. Is this correct and if
so, is there a way to use the module as a regular oscillator playing notes
while acting as an LFO or do you designate one of your Q106 modules as your
LFO and the other as your main oscillator? It looks like a single Q106
oscillator module can output multiple waves at a time????

2) With a modular system, what module acts as the final output stage to my
mixer/speakers? Can I use the basic VCA module or do I need one of the 4
channel mixer modules?

3) With a basic entry level system, do I really need a multiples module?

Any help would be much appreciated. I am fairly familiar with analog
synthesis but have never explored the modular world. I want a setup where I
will have the basic "bread and butter" synth operations but also good
modulation options.

Don't want to start any battles, but can I get an opinion or two about dot
com systems? I really don't know where to start... Too many options.

I am trying to decide if I really want to go the modular route or just hold
off for an MS 20. Hmm..


Thanks!

Ryan

Teleprompter Music



 

[Scott Fox]

IMHO

1- Use a different ocsillator for your lfo. Having multiple outs won't  
mean much when your lfo is running at 4K hz.

2. Wether or not you use a vca for your final output depends on what  
you've got going on. Sometimes I run out of a mixer module if I want  
one voice being modulated via the vca and another sans modulation.

This also depends on wether you're running everything into seperate  
channels on an offboard mixer. This is my favorite for recording as I  
can tweak & EQ each voice later in-the-box. Keep in mind, this is only  
when you've got different parts of your modular doing different  
things. If your running a couple of ocsillators through a filter with  
an effect or five then running from the vca easily handles the job.

3. Muliples are King. I use them quite often, even on some pretty  
simple patches.

Peace,
Scott

On 2009-11-06, at 3:57 PM, srrecords@... wrote:

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> 1) use a separate Q106 as the LFO
>
> 2) I typically go straight from VCA
> 3) definitely.....you will regret not having multiples if you opt out.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Wilson <telepromptermusic@...>
> To: analogue@...
> Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 5:40 pm
> Subject: [AH] Into the World of Modular- Basic Questions
>
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>
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>
> Hi List, I think I might finally dive into the mighty world of modular
> synthesis : ) But I have a few basic questions if anyone has the  
> time to
> answer.
>
> 1) I have been looking at dot com systems/modules and was thinking  
> about
> getting the entry level system but exchanging the MIDI interface  
> module for
> an Instrument interface and a sample and hold module. I noticed that
> synthesizers.com does not make a seperate LFO module and I am  
> guessing that
> you just use one of the oscillators (Q106) as an LFO. Is this  
> correct and if
> so, is there a way to use the module as a regular oscillator playing  
> notes
> while acting as an LFO or do you designate one of your Q106 modules  
> as your
> LFO and the other as your main oscillator? It looks like a single Q106
> oscillator module can output multiple waves at a time????
>
> 2) With a modular system, what module acts as the final output stage  
> to my
> mixer/speakers? Can I use the basic VCA module or do I need one of  
> the 4
> channel mixer modules?
>
> 3) With a basic entry level system, do I really need a multiples  
> module?
>
> Any help would be much appreciated. I am fairly familiar with analog
> synthesis but have never explored the modular world. I want a setup  
> where I
> will have the basic "bread and butter" synth operations but also good
> modulation options.
>
> Don't want to start any battles, but can I get an opinion or two  
> about dot
> com systems? I really don't know where to start... Too many options.
>
> I am trying to decide if I really want to go the modular route or  
> just hold
> off for an MS 20. Hmm..
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>
> Teleprompter Music
>
>
>
>
>

[john mahoney]

At 05:40 PM 11/6/2009, Ryan Wilson wrote:
>...
>1) ... I noticed that
>synthesizers.com does not make a seperate LFO module and I am guessing that
>you just use one of the oscillators (Q106) as an LFO. Is this correct

Correct, the Q106 has a "Low" range for use as a fully-featured,
voltage-controlled LFO.


>and if
>so, is there a way to use the module as a regular oscillator playing notes
>while acting as an LFO or do you designate one of your Q106 modules as your
>LFO and the other as your main oscillator? It looks like a single Q106
>oscillator module can output multiple waves at a time????

No, all waves coming out of the module have the same frequency.


>2) With a modular system, what module acts as the final output stage to my
>mixer/speakers? Can I use the basic VCA module or do I need one of the 4
>channel mixer modules?

No need for a mixer after the VCA.


>3) With a basic entry level system, do I really need a multiples module?

Need? Not for some patches (especially if you set the jumper on the
Q106 for "hidden multiple" mode or whatever it's called). But you'll
want one, soon enough. (Banana plug advocates, hold your tongues. LOL!)

By the way, I *highly* recommend the CRS option for your Oscs.


>Don't want to start any battles, but can I get an opinion or two about dot
>com systems? I really don't know where to start... Too many options.

Excellent value for a modular. Physically large. Lacking exotic
modules but the line covers all the basics, including things that
seem mundane but are virtually essential, like the Signal Processor
module. The Instrument Interface is very handy (I have two). The
Pan/Fade is a personal favorite. I could go on...

John

[Mark Rivera]

> 3) With a basic entry level system, do I really need a multiples module?

Another vote for yes. Also consider the Q147 Distributor module. It is
basically a "1-in, 4-out" multiple, but three of the inputs have
attenuators.

Mind you, many control type inputs (for example Linear frequency and
Pulse width on the Q106 VCO) have attentuator knobs already, so maybe
you're good to go without it for a basic system, but then the
attenuators on the Distributor become sort of a proxy...

What I mean is, you can adjust the levels at the Distributor module
during patch design without messing with (or messing up) the Amount
knobs at the destination side of the patch cable. It is sort of a
protection when you're being very deliberate with a tweak, or if you
are tweaking during performance.

For macro-sized tweaks this isn't very important, say cranking a
filter cutoff. But I think for micro-tweaks where you are being subtle
and maybe 'playing the sound', it helps imho.

[John Audette]

Also keep in mind you are not limited to buying just .com modules.  Suit
and Tie Guy, Moon Modular, COTK all make 'em too.  You can also get
fancy and start adding MOTM/Modcan B if you don't mind minor power
cable, mounting, and spacing issues.

-=john

Ryan Wilson wrote:

> Hi List, I think I might finally dive into the mighty world of modular
> synthesis : ) But I have a few basic questions if anyone has the time to
> answer.
>
> 1) I have been looking at dot com systems/modules and was thinking about
> getting the entry level system but exchanging the MIDI interface module for
> an Instrument interface and a sample and hold module. I noticed that
> synthesizers.com does not make a seperate LFO module and I am guessing that
> you just use one of the oscillators (Q106) as an LFO. Is this correct and if
> so, is there a way to use the module as a regular oscillator playing notes
> while acting as an LFO or do you designate one of your Q106 modules as your
> LFO and the other as your main oscillator? It looks like a single Q106
> oscillator module can output multiple waves at a time????
>
> 2) With a modular system, what module acts as the final output stage to my
> mixer/speakers? Can I use the basic VCA module or do I need one of the 4
> channel mixer modules?
>
> 3) With a basic entry level system, do I really need a multiples module?
>
> Any help would be much appreciated. I am fairly familiar with analog
> synthesis but have never explored the modular world. I want a setup where I
> will have the basic "bread and butter" synth operations but also good
> modulation options.
>
> Don't want to start any battles, but can I get an opinion or two about dot
> com systems? I really don't know where to start... Too many options.
>
> I am trying to decide if I really want to go the modular route or just hold
> off for an MS 20. Hmm..
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>
> Teleprompter Music
>
>  

[SRRecords]

 There are a ton of modular options these days, it seems.  Modcan is good because they have very esoteric modules.  But I find their prices to be extremely prohibitive.  I have a Modcan A system that has 5 empty spaces, and I cannot foresee myself filling them up with Modcan stuff because of cost.  I am opting for Cyndustries modules to fill those spaces, and I recently ordered 2, but Cyndustries communication has been non-existent, so I don't know when those modules will be coming.  But I like the idea of Cyndustries, since they make modules for lots of systems.  So that's an interesting option: buy cabinets and a few modules from one of the major "systems" and leave open the option that Cyndustries can give you some nice modules that are usually cheaper than the system's modules (and they seem to have even more esoteric modules than most).

Another plus for Modcan-style modulars is the banana plugs: it eliminates the need for multiples, basically.

Another option is Health Club Music.  I'm having what amounts to a Kraftwerkian Triggersumme custom made at the moment (this "custom order" option at HCM is one of the best options in any current modular company I've come across).  But they also have ready-made stuff, and they seem to be doing some interesting (again, pretty esoteric) things.....that sequencer on their site is very VERY intriguing, and not badly priced.

Truth be told: the world of modular synthesis right now is very very intersesting, and probably offers more and better options than in the "heyday" of modular systems.

M


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Audette <beansharicots@...>
To: Ryan Wilson <telepromptermusic@...>
Cc: analogue@...
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: [AH] Into the World of Modular- Basic Questions









Also keep in mind you are not limited to buying just .com modules.  Suit
and Tie Guy, Moon Modular, COTK all make 'em too.  You can also get
fancy and start adding MOTM/Modcan B if you don't mind minor power
cable, mounting, and spacing issues.
 

-=john
 

Ryan Wilson wrote:

> Hi List, I think I might finally dive into the mighty world of modular

> synthesis : ) But I have a few basic questions if anyone has the time to

> answer.

>

> 1) I have been looking at dot com systems/modules and was thinking about

> getting the entry level system but exchanging the MIDI interface module for

> an Instrument interface and a sample and hold module. I noticed that

> synthesizers.com does not make a seperate LFO module and I am guessing that

> you just use one of the oscillators (Q106) as an LFO. Is this correct and if

> so, is there a way to use the module as a regular oscillator playing notes

> while acting as an LFO or do you designate one of your Q106 modules as your

> LFO and the other as your main oscillator? It looks like a single Q106

> oscillator module can output multiple waves at a time????

>

> 2) With a modular system, what module acts as the final output stage to my

> mixer/speakers? Can I use the basic VCA module or do I need one of the 4

> channel mixer modules?

>

> 3) With a basic entry level system, do I really need a multiples module?

>

> Any help would be much appreciated. I am fairly familiar with analog

> synthesis but have never explored the modular world. I want a setup where I

> will have the basic "bread and butter" synth operations but also good

> modulation options.

>

> Don't want to start any battles, but can I get an opinion or two about dot

> com systems? I really don't know where to start... Too many options.

>

> I am trying to decide if I really want to go the modular route or just hold

> off for an MS 20. Hmm..

>

>

> Thanks!

>

> Ryan

>

> Teleprompter Music

>

>  


 

[Pashmina]

Even with a smaller system, you will DEFINITELY need at least one multiple.

As far as Dotcom vs other systems, you need to look at how much space
you have - be aware that these things can and usually do grow and
grow.  Having put together a system using modules from various
different manufacturers, my opinion is that the manufacturers that
have got it right w/r/t size vs functionality are Blacet, Modcan,
Serge and Wiard.  Doepfer (I have a selection of Doepfer modules) seem
to me to be too tightly packed, dotcom is at the other extreme, I
personally think they are way oversized.  Obviously if you have a
reasonably-sized room, this isn't likely to be a problem, if you have
a small space, it may be.

[Paul Perry]

In the short term, you can get around the need for
multiples by making Y cables, or even 1 to 3 cables.
Don't use splitter jacks though, it will drive you mad
when they go unreliable or get in the way on the panel.

paul perry Melbourne Australia

[David Skinner]

Yes, you do need at least one multiple module. But I also find having  
several of these very handy.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103712

David W. Skinner

On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Norman Fay wrote:

> Even with a smaller system, you will DEFINITELY need at least one  
> multiple.
>
> As far as Dotcom vs other systems, you need to look at how much space
> you have - be aware that these things can and usually do grow and
> grow.  Having put together a system using modules from various
> different manufacturers, my opinion is that the manufacturers that
> have got it right w/r/t size vs functionality are Blacet, Modcan,
> Serge and Wiard.  Doepfer (I have a selection of Doepfer modules) seem
> to me to be too tightly packed, dotcom is at the other extreme, I
> personally think they are way oversized.  Obviously if you have a
> reasonably-sized room, this isn't likely to be a problem, if you have
> a small space, it may be.

[David Skinner]

Perhaps, but I still find it handy to have a couple around when you  
need them.

On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:22 AM, Paul Perry wrote:
>
> Don't use splitter jacks though, it will drive you mad
> when they go unreliable or get in the way on the panel.
>
> paul perry Melbourne Australia

[David Bulog]

Hi there does anyone know how hard it would be to get these working  
with an off the shelf 18V regulated powersupply---I can make my own  
case no problems --its the electrical PS that worries me a little.  
Also can anyone give me specs about the existing factory P/S shipping--
I phoned Audio-midi.com but the salespeople did not have any more info  
about this product. thanks in advance

David

This is the "panel-only" version- it does not include a full  
enclosure, power supply, or panel for patch points. All patch points  
are easily accessible via plug connectors, and a chart of the  
connections is provided. You'll also need a well regulated +18/-18V  
power supply. This version is for the "roll your own" crowd; if you  
want to plug and play, we strongly recommend the SEM MIDI version or  
SEM Patch Panel version for those with other CV/gate analog synth  
gear. The panel-only version is fully compatible with vintage Oberheim  
Two-, Four- and Eight-Voice systems electronically. Supplied with the  
module are several adapter cables that interface the signals to the  
new, more reliable internal connector



http://www.audiomidi.com/Synthesizer-Expander-Module-SEM-Panel-Only-Version-P12456.aspx

[Synthmatic]

 
In a message dated 11/7/2009 6:32:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
sasquatch@... writes:

Yes, you  do need at least one multiple module. But I also find having  
several  of these very  handy.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103712


Ahh, the good old Move-A-Mult:
 
_http://moogarchives.com/portapot.htm_
(http://moogarchives.com/portapot.htm)
 
DW

[john mahoney]

At 07:46 AM 11/8/2009, Synthmatic@... wrote:

>Yes, you  do need at least one multiple module. But I also find having
>several  of these very  handy.
>
>http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103712

I use those, too. They've been reliable, so far, and there is
generally plenty of room for them on the generously-proportioned
"dotcom" modules.

John

[James J. Clark]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, srrecords@... wrote:

>
> Truth be told: the world of modular synthesis right now is very very
>intersesting, and probably offers more and better options than in the
>"heyday" of modular systems.
>
> M

This IS the "heyday" of modular systems. In the old days only a few people
used them. Now the masses are into modulars and there are more types of
modules than ever.

Jim