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Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Charybdis
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Hi Developers,
I would like to ask, when do you plan to support the 3rd gen (released in March, revised in September) Ipod Shuffle? I have an idea: I saw at other open source projects that people are much more willing to donate if there is a specific goal for donation, and they see the actual progress bar showing how much money was collected to date. So you not just ask for donation, but you have a specific project, and exact amount of required money. I saw this for example on Wikipedia and the developers of Drupal do this a lot. Here is a handy service for collecting money: http://www.chipin.com/ What do you think? Regards, Bence Ur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Charybdis
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My idea is to launch a fund raising campaign, and try to promote it
everywhere, like on related forums, in related email lists, on blogs, Digg etc. But then you must pick a specific goal (like Ipod shuffle support) and a specific required amount of money. The donations would be used for buying the new ipod models for the developers, and also paying the developers some money for their (extra) work. I don't know your hourly rate, I think it's high. But I think we could try to collect donations which would not only cover the new ipod models, but also a few hours of your time. Here is an example using the Chipin widget: http://buytaert.net/drupal-org-redesign-code-sprints It is cool because you can embed it to everywhere. I would donate the first 10% of the total amount. Regards, Bence Ur On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Christophe Fergeau <teuf@...> wrote: > Hi, > > 2009/10/13 Bence Ur <urbence@...>: >> I have an idea: I saw at other open source projects that people are >> much more willing to donate if there is a specific goal for donation, >> and they see the actual progress bar showing how much money was >> collected to date. So you not just ask for donation, but you have a >> specific project, and exact amount of required money. >> >> What do you think? > > The thing is, it's not really money that is missing, but time to do > it. Someone with enough encentive to do it could probably do it in a > few days of work, but as far as I'm concerned, I've got lots of other > priorities before tackling this task :-/ > > Christophe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by H. Langos-6
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Hi Ben,
I guess christophe is right .. it's not a question of money. I've started decoding the iTunesSD format here for the gnupod project: http://shuffle3db.wikispaces.com/iTunesSD3gen but I havn't made much headway .. not because it is particularly difficult, but because I have so many other things to do. I've already borrowed a 3gen shuffle from a french open source / open content project that uses gnupod. So I have the hardware to experiment with, and it helped to decode some of the fields that were marked "unknown" before. But ... with a more than full time job and two kids there is not that much time that i could put into this. even if it was paid well. if you want to help you could prepare data sets to test with. i'll quote one of my earlier emails to save some time here: > One way to do testing, would be to only change small things in iTunes and > see what changes in the iTunesSD. > > Another way would be to produce a lot of almost-identical mp3 files (some > slightly shorter, some slightly longer, some with a different sample > frequency some with a different volume) add them all to the shuffe and see > how their chuncks differ in the yet unknown fields. > > Whatever you do, make sure that you use short audio files for testing that are > either simple test sounds that are not copyrighted at all, or use files that > you are allowed to copy and share (like stuff from jamendo.com). This will > make it easier to publish your findings without atracting the RIAA vultures > ... aehm lawyers. cheers -henrik On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 03:59:35PM +0200, Bence Ur wrote: > My idea is to launch a fund raising campaign, and try to promote it > everywhere, like on related forums, in related email lists, on blogs, > Digg etc. > > But then you must pick a specific goal (like Ipod shuffle support) and > a specific required amount of money. > > The donations would be used for buying the new ipod models for the > developers, and also paying the developers some money for their > (extra) work. > > I don't know your hourly rate, I think it's high. But I think we could > try to collect donations which would not only cover the new ipod > models, but also a few hours of your time. > > Here is an example using the Chipin widget: > http://buytaert.net/drupal-org-redesign-code-sprints > It is cool because you can embed it to everywhere. > > I would donate the first 10% of the total amount. > > Regards, > Bence Ur > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Christophe Fergeau <teuf@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > 2009/10/13 Bence Ur <urbence@...>: > >> I have an idea: I saw at other open source projects that people are > >> much more willing to donate if there is a specific goal for donation, > >> and they see the actual progress bar showing how much money was > >> collected to date. So you not just ask for donation, but you have a > >> specific project, and exact amount of required money. > >> > >> What do you think? > > > > The thing is, it's not really money that is missing, but time to do > > it. Someone with enough encentive to do it could probably do it in a > > few days of work, but as far as I'm concerned, I've got lots of other > > priorities before tackling this task :-/ > > > > Christophe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Charybdis
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That's bad news!
We could still launch a little fund raising campaign, which would allow for ALL the developers to buy the required ipod models, what do you think? What is the exact cost of this? I am sure that you work at a company which develops free software, don't they allow you to spend 5-10% of your worktime on other open source projects (just wondering)? Regards, Bence Ur On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Christophe Fergeau <teuf@...> wrote: > 2009/10/13 Bence Ur <urbence@...>: >> The donations would be used for buying the new ipod models for the >> developers, and also paying the developers some money for their >> (extra) work. >> > > Yep, getting funded to buy some iPod (shuffle and ipod touch mainly) > would be helpful for various tests/debugging, but even with such > donations, I can't make any promise as to when they would be supported > in libgpod. So I guess that's not exactly what you are looking for... > But if someone wants to take up on the offer to add support for the > shuffle 3G, I'd be happy to help :) > > Christophe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Javier Kohen-2
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Bence,
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 21:17, Bence Ur <urbence@...> wrote:
That's bad news! I understand this is important for many people, so how about hiring an external developer? Of course he won't have the track record of a core developer, but there is no magic in libgpod or in reverse engineering an on-disk format. For as long as I've been on this mailing list core developers have seemed to be extremely busy even when it comes to reviewing contributions in the form patches, so in your place I'd spend my energy looking for alternative ways of getting the feature added.
There are websites where developers auction to do your work. At some point I knew rent-a-coder and I'm sure there are many more. And craigslist of course, though I don't know what you'll find there.
I am sure that you work at a company which develops free software, Heh, that's a big assumption. Such a company would definitely encourage you to use that time (20% anyone?) to something that actually helps the company mission. I bet there aren't many that would profit directly or indirectly from libgpod, but if you do find one, then I'm sure they'll be more than eager to work on this issue at their own expense.
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Javier Kohen-2
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 21:32, Christophe Fergeau <teuf@...> wrote:
SF.net donations are probably fine if the donation should go to the core team. However, for task-based collects, other mechanisms might be more appropriate. For instance, some websites provide some kind of escrow service to ensure results will be delivered. This is particularly relevant if the trusted developers aren't available to work on this.
I've recently "plegded" to a game (Resonance: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/VinceTwelve/resonance-retro-styled-adventure-game-contest-e) on KickStarter.com and it was very easy. The interesting thing in this site is that you only pay if the guy achieves the stated goal. In this case he asked for $150 to reach a certain milestone by Nov 1. Interestingly, I'm sure he's quite motivated now, since so far he's gotten 12 times what he asked for :)
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Jorg Schuler-2
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The thing is, it's not really money that is missing, but time to do
>> it. Someone with enough encentive to do it could probably do it in a >> few days of work, but as far as I'm concerned, I've got lots of other >> priorities before tackling this task :-/ >> >> Christophe >> >> >> > > Trying again! Damn blackberry... > > This kind of hits the nail on the head. Besides teuf, there are no other > constant developers working on libgpod. There are some great people who > contribute patches for bits and pieces occasionally but we seem to be > lacking a dedicated team of developers, working and committing changes on > a daily/weekly basis. This applies to gtkpod too at the moment. > > If anyone, regardless of experience would like to take a more active role > in developing either gtkpod/libgpod then please speak up. > > Regards > > PGR > > I second this call. I also have too many other priorities at the moment to actively pursue gtkpod/libgpod actively. Strangely enough, I'm in the possession of an iPod Nano with camera which I could lend to someone for a couple of months. Someone in Europe would be best considering the exorbitant postage rates. I can't give it away because it was a present. JCS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Dave Martin-7
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:45:05 +0100, "P.G. Richardson"
> > This kind of hits the nail on the head. Besides teuf, there are no other > constant developers working on libgpod. There are some great people who > contribute patches for bits and pieces occasionally but we seem to be > lacking a dedicated team of developers, working and committing changes on > a daily/weekly basis. This applies to gtkpod too at the moment. > > If anyone, regardless of experience would like to take a more active role > in developing either gtkpod/libgpod then please speak up. > > Regards > > PGR Folks I'm willing to lend what help I can. My coding might be a tad rusty (its been over 10 years since I coded in anger) but I have a new 5g nano and I can assist with testing/debugging. As long as I don't turn my wife's new 40th birthday present into a very sleek looking brick I'll do anything I can. I could probably assist with coding as well but I'd need someone slightly less rusty to work with. My confidence is slightly down since I tried (and failed) to improve podcast support in rhythmbox). Cheers Dave -- ------------------------- AIRGEAD STUDIO Carbon Neutral Web Hosting & Design www.airgeadstudio.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Charybdis
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Hi,
"Something I forgot to ask, could you give me the last 3 digits of the serial number of this ipod as well as its color and capacity? Thanks!" The last 4 digits are "FA1L" (lol fail), it's capacity is 4GB and it is the special edition stainless steel Shuffle. Do you know a skilled programmer, who is familiar with libgpod and have free time? If there is currently zero such programmer, that's problem. Until more programmers join to the project, the only option is to collect donations, and pay someone to implement at least the new Nano + Shuffle support. I know that you constantly ask for donations... But you just ask "please donate". Instead we could launch a cool fund raising campaign, using the Chipin widget, describring very clearly why do we collect donations, someone could create banners etc. Just Google "Wikipedia fundraising". In the end of 2008 they collected $3 million in 10 days, of course because they launched a fund raising campaign. They collected probably 100 times more when they just asked for donations. Other thing: I see that you run Adsense on GTKpod.org. I think the Amazon Affiliate program would pay better. Amazon pays 4% commission after each sold ipod. You could ask the visitors to buy their ipod through your link. You already do something similar: "Another possibility to contribute is when you intend to subscribe to a magazine in Germany and let me refer you." But Amazon would pay better! Consider replacing Adsense with Amazon Associates. How much money do you make with Adsense? Itunes also have an affiliate program with 5% commission, but I am not sure whether they will allow the website to join... Alternatively you could apply with a different, neutral website, but after that placing the affiliate links on gtkpod.org. Regards, Bence Ur On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Dave Martin <david@...> wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:45:05 +0100, "P.G. Richardson" > >> >> This kind of hits the nail on the head. Besides teuf, there are no other >> constant developers working on libgpod. There are some great people who >> contribute patches for bits and pieces occasionally but we seem to be >> lacking a dedicated team of developers, working and committing changes > on >> a daily/weekly basis. This applies to gtkpod too at the moment. >> >> If anyone, regardless of experience would like to take a more active > role >> in developing either gtkpod/libgpod then please speak up. >> >> Regards >> >> PGR > > Folks > > I'm willing to lend what help I can. My coding might be a tad rusty (its > been over 10 years since I coded in anger) but I have a new 5g nano and I > can assist with testing/debugging. As long as I don't turn my wife's new > 40th birthday present into a very sleek looking brick I'll do anything I > can. > > I could probably assist with coding as well but I'd need someone slightly > less rusty to work with. My confidence is slightly down since I tried (and > failed) to improve podcast support in rhythmbox). > > Cheers > Dave > > > -- > ------------------------- > > AIRGEAD STUDIO > > Carbon Neutral Web Hosting & Design > > www.airgeadstudio.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Gtkpod-devel mailing list > Gtkpod-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by P.G. Richardson
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> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:45:05 +0100, "P.G. Richardson" > >> >> This kind of hits the nail on the head. Besides teuf, there are no other >> constant developers working on libgpod. There are some great people who >> contribute patches for bits and pieces occasionally but we seem to be >> lacking a dedicated team of developers, working and committing changes > on >> a daily/weekly basis. This applies to gtkpod too at the moment. >> >> If anyone, regardless of experience would like to take a more active > role >> in developing either gtkpod/libgpod then please speak up. >> >> Regards >> >> PGR > > Folks > > I'm willing to lend what help I can. My coding might be a tad rusty (its > been over 10 years since I coded in anger) but I have a new 5g nano and I > can assist with testing/debugging. As long as I don't turn my wife's new > 40th birthday present into a very sleek looking brick I'll do anything I > can. > > I could probably assist with coding as well but I'd need someone slightly > less rusty to work with. My confidence is slightly down since I tried (and > failed) to improve podcast support in rhythmbox). > > Cheers > Dave Any coding help much appreciated. I suggest that you clone the git repositories (one for libgpod and one for gtkpod) or checkout from svn and have a look at the source code. When you find that makes little sense ;), come along to the irc channel and have a chat. Dont worry if nobody responds immediately as with just 3 regulars (teuf, tmz and phantomjinx), there are sometimes periods when we are not around, although logged in. Cheers PGR (a.k.a. phantomjinx) -- Laws are partly formed for the sake of good men, in order to instruct them how they may live on friendly terms with one another, and partly for the sake of those who refuse to be instructed, whose spirit cannot be subdued, or softened, or hindered from plunging into evil. [The Laws, Plato] You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity Have you ever considered a career in the church? Bishop of Bath and Wells (Blackadder II) A clear conscience? When did you acquire such luxuries, Bernard? (Sir Humphrey, Yes Prime Minister) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gtkpod-devel mailing list Gtkpod-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel |
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Re: Ipod Shuffle 3rd gen (2009) support
by Charybdis
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Dear Jorg Schuler,
I read that you maintan the gtkpod.org website. What do you think on placing Amazon affilite links to ipods on gtkpod.org? Do you have time to do this? If you don't have time to create and embed the banners, I can do this, but please first sign up here: https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/ Then you should give me the username/password, because Amazon offers a lot of configuration options. I would create a separate webpage on gtkpod.org for those who would like to donate or buy ipods through the affiliate link. The "support this project" banner in the left sidebar should link to this new page. After I create this webpage and you approve, can you then upload it to the live site? Regards, Bence Ur On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Bence Ur <urbence@...> wrote: > Hi, > > "Something I forgot to ask, could you give me the last 3 digits of the > serial number of this ipod as well as its color and capacity? Thanks!" > > The last 4 digits are "FA1L" (lol fail), it's capacity is 4GB and it > is the special edition stainless steel Shuffle. > > Do you know a skilled programmer, who is familiar with libgpod and > have free time? If there is currently zero such programmer, that's > problem. > > Until more programmers join to the project, the only option is to > collect donations, and pay someone to implement at least the new Nano > + Shuffle support. > > I know that you constantly ask for donations... But you just ask > "please donate". Instead we could launch a cool fund raising campaign, > using the Chipin widget, describring very clearly why do we collect > donations, someone could create banners etc. > > Just Google "Wikipedia fundraising". In the end of 2008 they collected > $3 million in 10 days, of course because they launched a fund raising > campaign. They collected probably 100 times more when they just asked > for donations. > > Other thing: I see that you run Adsense on GTKpod.org. I think the > Amazon Affiliate program would pay better. Amazon pays 4% commission > after each sold ipod. You could ask the visitors to buy their ipod > through your link. You already do something similar: "Another > possibility to contribute is when you intend to subscribe to a > magazine in Germany and let me refer you." But Amazon would pay > better! Consider replacing Adsense with Amazon Associates. How much > money do you make with Adsense? > > Itunes also have an affiliate program with 5% commission, but I am not > sure whether they will allow the website to join... Alternatively you > could apply with a different, neutral website, but after that placing > the affiliate links on gtkpod.org. > > Regards, > Bence Ur > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Dave Martin <david@...> wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:45:05 +0100, "P.G. Richardson" >> >>> >>> This kind of hits the nail on the head. Besides teuf, there are no other >>> constant developers working on libgpod. There are some great people who >>> contribute patches for bits and pieces occasionally but we seem to be >>> lacking a dedicated team of developers, working and committing changes >> on >>> a daily/weekly basis. This applies to gtkpod too at the moment. >>> >>> If anyone, regardless of experience would like to take a more active >> role >>> in developing either gtkpod/libgpod then please speak up. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> PGR >> >> Folks >> >> I'm willing to lend what help I can. My coding might be a tad rusty (its >> been over 10 years since I coded in anger) but I have a new 5g nano and I >> can assist with testing/debugging. As long as I don't turn my wife's new >> 40th birthday present into a very sleek looking brick I'll do anything I >> can. >> >> I could probably assist with coding as well but I'd need someone slightly >> less rusty to work with. My confidence is slightly down since I tried (and >> failed) to improve podcast support in rhythmbox). >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------- >> >> AIRGEAD STUDIO >> >> Carbon Neutral Web Hosting & Design >> >> www.airgeadstudio.net >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> Gtkpod-devel mailing list >> Gtkpod-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gtkpod-devel >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! 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