Is 9.10 a black eye for Ubuntu?

[wcj9996]

I have installed 9.10 on both a 32 bit laptop and an AMD 64 bit desktop
computer.  The desktop has 2 drives, 1 ATA with Win-XP and a Serial drive with
8.04 and now 9.10.

The only problem was that grub2 was completely confused by the two drives and so
I removed grub2 and installed grub(1).  I added the 9.10 entry to the 8.04
menu.lst on the boot drive and now all works as expected.

All went well on the laptop which dual boots XP & 9.10 which is a more typical
installation.

At this point I am pleased with 9.10, however I am still using 8.04 LTS as my
main system.

Black eye?  I don't think so.  Anyone ever try to update from Win-98 to Vista?

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[Steve Lamb]

wcj9996 wrote:
> Black eye?  I don't think so.  Anyone ever try to update from Win-98 to
> Vista?

     Hardly a fair comparison.  That would be, what, 9 years between the two
instead of 6 months?  A better comparison would be to upgrade from Debian 2.2
(potato)* to Ubuntu 9.10.  ;)





* Debian 2.2 Potato (15 August 2000): Named for "Mr Potato Head" in the movie.
This release added support for the PowerPC and ARM architectures. With Wichert
still serving as Project Leader, this release consisted of more than 3900
binary packages derived from over 2600 source packages maintained by more than
450 Debian developers.
-- http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html

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[Willis Taylor-2]

First, I am running Karmic n both my primary computer and on the reserve
on the other end of my desk.  Yes, there is a minor glitch with Gimp
freezing the machine but it has just managed to make me a better
computer user because I save more often.

Am I mad at the Ubuntu development team?  No, I am not.  Is there a
black eye involved?  It would appear that there are many as a result f
Karmic but none of them belong to the Ubuntu Team.  When I was a Beta
Tester for MS I worked with some lousy software.  Ubuntu has not dump
junk on the market that could not get past the Beta Testers ad expected
people to pay for the privilege of using junk software.

Now, a key point.  Anyone that can develop a perfect Operating System in
six months is not a member of this planet.  It follows that anyone that
wants or desires to run cutting edge technology is going to run into
faults in the software.  As a person that has dedicated himself to
introducing the world to legally free software I push Ubuntu everywhere
I go and then I give these folks free tech support for as long as they
need it.  For this reason, the only system I install for these "users"
is Hardy, the Long Term Support version.

Computer users should learn to not cry and to not give themselves a
reason to cry and stick with the version developed for business and the
average user.  A short term system is nothing more than a beta version
that is to become the LTS version in 11/04.  For those of us that enjoy
the challenge, Ubuntu gives us the latest version every six months and
we are never asked to spend a dime for it.  So why all the tears ad
discontent?


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[Robert Spanjaard]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:14:55 -0600, Willis Taylor wrote:

> First, I am running Karmic n both my primary computer and on the reserve
> on the other end of my desk.  Yes, there is a minor glitch with Gimp
> freezing the machine but it has just managed to make me a better
> computer user because I save more often.
>
> Am I mad at the Ubuntu development team?  No, I am not.  Is there a
> black eye involved?  It would appear that there are many as a result f
> Karmic but none of them belong to the Ubuntu Team.  When I was a Beta
> Tester for MS I worked with some lousy software.  Ubuntu has not dump
> junk on the market that could not get past the Beta Testers ad expected
> people to pay for the privilege of using junk software.
>
> Now, a key point.  Anyone that can develop a perfect Operating System in
> six months is not a member of this planet.

Anyone thinking that Karmic was developed in six months while claiming to
have a background in software development is insane.

> Computer users should learn to not cry and to not give themselves a
> reason to cry and stick with the version developed for business and the
> average user.  A short term system is nothing more than a beta version

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that Karmic just moved _out_ of beta status. Must
be my mistake.

> that is to become the LTS version in 11/04.  For those of us that enjoy
> the challenge, Ubuntu gives us the latest version every six months and
> we are never asked to spend a dime for it.  So why all the tears ad
> discontent?

Because, as you said yourself, Karmic is nothing more than a beta version.
It's not the final release version that Canonical claims it to be.

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[Karl F. Larsen]

Robert Spanjaard wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:14:55 -0600, Willis Taylor wrote:
>
>> First, I am running Karmic n both my primary computer and on the reserve
>> on the other end of my desk.  Yes, there is a minor glitch with Gimp
>> freezing the machine but it has just managed to make me a better
>> computer user because I save more often.
>>
>> Am I mad at the Ubuntu development team?  No, I am not.  Is there a
>> black eye involved?  It would appear that there are many as a result f
>> Karmic but none of them belong to the Ubuntu Team.  When I was a Beta
>> Tester for MS I worked with some lousy software.  Ubuntu has not dump
>> junk on the market that could not get past the Beta Testers ad expected
>> people to pay for the privilege of using junk software.
>>
>> Now, a key point.  Anyone that can develop a perfect Operating System in
>> six months is not a member of this planet.
>
> Anyone thinking that Karmic was developed in six months while claiming to
> have a background in software development is insane.
>
>> Computer users should learn to not cry and to not give themselves a
>> reason to cry and stick with the version developed for business and the
>> average user.  A short term system is nothing more than a beta version
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that Karmic just moved _out_ of beta status. Must
> be my mistake.
>
>> that is to become the LTS version in 11/04.  For those of us that enjoy
>> the challenge, Ubuntu gives us the latest version every six months and
>> we are never asked to spend a dime for it.  So why all the tears ad
>> discontent?
>
> Because, as you said yourself, Karmic is nothing more than a beta version.
> It's not the final release version that Canonical claims it to be.
>

        Karmic = Jaunty + 6 months of design change. I have both on
this computer and I prefer Jaunty. You might prefer Karmic if
you took time to use it instead of complaining.

        In any case it is always free to me. Not to Canonical who
spends money to get things right. Unless your mentally unfit
you should realize there is nothing free in this world.

73 Karl


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[Robert Spanjaard]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:50:28 -0700, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

>>> Now, a key point.  Anyone that can develop a perfect Operating System
>>> in six months is not a member of this planet.
>>
>> Anyone thinking that Karmic was developed in six months while claiming
>> to have a background in software development is insane.
>>
>>> Computer users should learn to not cry and to not give themselves a
>>> reason to cry and stick with the version developed for business and
>>> the average user.  A short term system is nothing more than a beta
>>> version
>>
>> Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that Karmic just moved _out_ of beta status.
>> Must be my mistake.
>>
>>> that is to become the LTS version in 11/04.  For those of us that
>>> enjoy the challenge, Ubuntu gives us the latest version every six
>>> months and we are never asked to spend a dime for it.  So why all the
>>> tears ad discontent?
>>
>> Because, as you said yourself, Karmic is nothing more than a beta
>> version. It's not the final release version that Canonical claims it to
>> be.
>>
>>
> Karmic = Jaunty + 6 months of design change. I have both on
> this computer and I prefer Jaunty. You might prefer Karmic if you took
> time to use it instead of complaining.

If you'd taken the time to use your brainbefore posting, you might have
noticed that I _am_ using Karmic.

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[Chris-75]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:50:28 -0700
"Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1@...> wrote:

> Robert Spanjaard wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:14:55 -0600, Willis Taylor wrote:
> >
> >> First, I am running Karmic n both my primary computer and on the
> >> reserve on the other end of my desk.  Yes, there is a minor glitch
> >> with Gimp freezing the machine but it has just managed to make me
> >> a better computer user because I save more often.
> >>
> >> Am I mad at the Ubuntu development team?  No, I am not.  Is there a
> >> black eye involved?  It would appear that there are many as a
> >> result f Karmic but none of them belong to the Ubuntu Team.  When
> >> I was a Beta Tester for MS I worked with some lousy software.
> >> Ubuntu has not dump junk on the market that could not get past the
> >> Beta Testers ad expected people to pay for the privilege of using
> >> junk software.
> >>
> >> Now, a key point.  Anyone that can develop a perfect Operating
> >> System in six months is not a member of this planet.
> >
> > Anyone thinking that Karmic was developed in six months while
> > claiming to have a background in software development is insane.
> >
> >> Computer users should learn to not cry and to not give themselves a
> >> reason to cry and stick with the version developed for business
> >> and the average user.  A short term system is nothing more than a
> >> beta version
> >
> > Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that Karmic just moved _out_ of beta
> > status. Must be my mistake.
> >
> >> that is to become the LTS version in 11/04.  For those of us that
> >> enjoy the challenge, Ubuntu gives us the latest version every six
> >> months and we are never asked to spend a dime for it.  So why all
> >> the tears ad discontent?
> >
> > Because, as you said yourself, Karmic is nothing more than a beta
> > version. It's not the final release version that Canonical claims
> > it to be.
> >
>
> Karmic = Jaunty + 6 months of design change. I have both on
> this computer and I prefer Jaunty. You might prefer Karmic if
> you took time to use it instead of complaining.
>
> In any case it is always free to me. Not to Canonical who
> spends money to get things right. Unless your mentally unfit
> you should realize there is nothing free in this world.
>
> 73 Karl
>
>

I was gonna reply to this but I see that Karl got to it before I.

I think I was allot happier just a few minutes ago in my Matrix trilogy
induced Sunday afternoon (thank you very much AMC).

Sometimes just reading posts in this list just makes me want to gouge my
eyes out, bite my tongue off, lop off my ears and piss into my PC.

I never believed that one in three people are insane... Now, I have
evidence...

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[Karl F. Larsen]

Robert Spanjaard wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:50:28 -0700, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
>>>> Now, a key point.  Anyone that can develop a perfect Operating System
>>>> in six months is not a member of this planet.
>>> Anyone thinking that Karmic was developed in six months while claiming
>>> to have a background in software development is insane.
>>>
>>>> Computer users should learn to not cry and to not give themselves a
>>>> reason to cry and stick with the version developed for business and
>>>> the average user.  A short term system is nothing more than a beta
>>>> version
>>> Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that Karmic just moved _out_ of beta status.
>>> Must be my mistake.
>>>
>>>> that is to become the LTS version in 11/04.  For those of us that
>>>> enjoy the challenge, Ubuntu gives us the latest version every six
>>>> months and we are never asked to spend a dime for it.  So why all the
>>>> tears ad discontent?
>>> Because, as you said yourself, Karmic is nothing more than a beta
>>> version. It's not the final release version that Canonical claims it to
>>> be.
>>>
>>>
>> Karmic = Jaunty + 6 months of design change. I have both on
>> this computer and I prefer Jaunty. You might prefer Karmic if you took
>> time to use it instead of complaining.
>
> If you'd taken the time to use your brainbefore posting, you might have
> noticed that I _am_ using Karmic.
>

        How do I learn your using Karmic? What do you look for??? Or
is that a trade secret?

Karl


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[Robert Spanjaard]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:23:55 -0700, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

>>> Karmic = Jaunty + 6 months of design change. I have both on
>>> this computer and I prefer Jaunty. You might prefer Karmic if you took
>>> time to use it instead of complaining.
>>
>> If you'd taken the time to use your brainbefore posting, you might have
>> noticed that I _am_ using Karmic.
>>
> How do I learn your using Karmic? What do you look for??? Or
> is that a trade secret?

You must have seen something that told you I'm _not_ using Karmic, unless
you admit that your statement was pure nonsense.

But the 'secret' is in the headers. I'm using Pan 0.133, while Jaunty
still had 0.132.

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[Colin Law-4]

2009/11/16 Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@...>:
> ...
> But the 'secret' is in the headers. I'm using Pan 0.133, while Jaunty
> still had 0.132.
>

Could you not have manually upgraded Pan on Jaunty?

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[Robert Spanjaard]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:36:27 +0000, Colin Law wrote:

> 2009/11/16 Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@...>:
>> ...
>> But the 'secret' is in the headers. I'm using Pan 0.133, while Jaunty
>> still had 0.132.
>>
>>
> Could you not have manually upgraded Pan on Jaunty?

Ofcourse I could have. But why would I? Version 0.132 could handle
multipart pictures quite well (which is important when you try to follow
some photograph-groups), while 0.133 fails to display them.
And people who like to install things manually probably have more suitable
distros to choose from than Ubuntu.

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[Karl F. Larsen]

Colin Law wrote:

> 2009/11/16 Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@...>:
>> ...
>> But the 'secret' is in the headers. I'm using Pan 0.133, while Jaunty
>> still had 0.132.
>>
>
> Could you not have manually upgraded Pan on Jaunty?
>
> Colin
>

        Do not get him started Colin.

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[Colin Law-4]

2009/11/16 Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@...>:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:36:27 +0000, Colin Law wrote:
>
>> 2009/11/16 Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@...>:
>>> ...
>>> But the 'secret' is in the headers. I'm using Pan 0.133, while Jaunty
>>> still had 0.132.
>>>
>>>
>> Could you not have manually upgraded Pan on Jaunty?
>
> Ofcourse I could have. But why would I? Version 0.132 could handle
> multipart pictures quite well (which is important when you try to follow
> some photograph-groups), while 0.133 fails to display them.
> And people who like to install things manually probably have more suitable
> distros to choose from than Ubuntu.

You might have done it in order to mislead readers into thinking you
were using Karmic when actually you were a secret Jaunty user.  I
myself regularly study mail headers to see which version of Pan is in
use in order to check for OS version.

Colin

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[Robert Holtzman]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 01:57:46PM +0000, Colin Law wrote:
>
> You might have done it in order to mislead readers into thinking you
> were using Karmic when actually you were a secret Jaunty user.  I
> myself regularly study mail headers to see which version of Pan is in
> use in order to check for OS version.

Of course. Doesn't everyone?

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[NoOp-4]

On 11/16/2009 02:50 AM, Robert Spanjaard wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:23:55 -0700, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
>>>> Karmic = Jaunty + 6 months of design change. I have both on
>>>> this computer and I prefer Jaunty. You might prefer Karmic if you took
>>>> time to use it instead of complaining.
>>>
>>> If you'd taken the time to use your brainbefore posting, you might have
>>> noticed that I _am_ using Karmic.
>>>
>> How do I learn your using Karmic? What do you look for??? Or
>> is that a trade secret?
>
> You must have seen something that told you I'm _not_ using Karmic, unless
> you admit that your statement was pure nonsense.
>
> But the 'secret' is in the headers. I'm using Pan 0.133, while Jaunty
> still had 0.132.
>

I see. Perhaps you can tell me which version of linux I am using to post
this with?



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[thomas-257]

Hello,

Sunday I wrote that my boot up problem was no more.

I was wrong. After using the computer for maybe five hours
it again flaked out. Lost all the icons on the screen. When I
did a cold turn off and restart I got the message again:
"Reboot and select Proper boot device - or insert boot media
and press any key". I was in the process of writing an e/m note,
which I lost.

I tried to reboot a few times then gave up and worked off of the
try out version on the Ubuntu 9.04 disk that I got with the
'Linux Starter Kit' magazine.

This morning I decided to try again. An hour ago, I turned the
computer on. It booted up normal. I am going to copy crucial
files (e/m, pictures and browser favorite to a thumb drive and
then try to fix the problem. This might mean going back to
9.04, which was working OK.

I got an answer from someone on how to locate the Firebird file.
Where is the Firefox favorites located?

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[thomas-257]

The video problem.

After the upgrade to 9.10 my screen started to flickle from time to time.

When I used the 'try-out version of 9.04 the problem went away. Does
anyone have an idea of what is causing this problem?

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[thomas-257]

I am going to try to set up another computer to be used in my
Buddhist Church to record the messages and etc..

The computer is an Intel based computer of maybe 5 - 7 years
old that I donated. It has ample hard drive space and it was
built with top level components when I purchased it .

I am going to install the Ubuntu 9.04 that I got from a disk of
the Linux Starter Kit special magazine.

I need to get software to record the messages and maybe a
program to edit and convert them to MP3, WAV and whatever
other formats that website visitors need.

Any ideas on where to go to look for such information?

Does anyone have ideas on what would work best?

I think that this version should not be upgraded for a long time
and if it works we will not want to risk changing anything.

Thanks

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[Leonard Chatagnier-2]

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, thomas <valhalla2100@...> wrote:

> From: thomas <valhalla2100@...>
> Subject: 9.10 video problem
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users@...>
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:53 PM
> The video problem.
>
> After the upgrade to 9.10 my screen started to flickle from
> time to time.
>
> When I used the 'try-out version of 9.04 the problem went
> away. Does
> anyone have an idea of what is causing this problem?
>

Maybe if you have an Nvidia graphich card or builtin and you use the nvidia-glx-185 or -180 driver. So, you need to tell the list what graphics card, kernel image and driver you are using before anyone could help you.
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[thomas-257]

Hello,

The computer just temporary froze up and it was impossible to
do anything. There was a click and I looked at the front lights
of the computer. They became steady instead of normal blinking.
frequent blinking lights is the normal design of the computer. A
marketing gimmick.

Could there be some problem other than Ubuntu? Would the
hard drive cause such problem if it was going bad?

Thomas

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