Is Antville now dying slowly or...

[Martin Schäfer]

is Twoday the follow-up release of Antville?

For me, a user of Antville, a blogger at Towday.net and with a testing
account at
typolis.net, the recent postings by Antville developer Tobi
http://blog.p3k.org/stories/4054/
and Twoday developer Michi
http://michi.knallgrau.at/blog/stories/1315871/
raise some questions and demand some analysis.

Tobi claims there's not much feedback by developers and cooperation among
them. Michi initiates a new sourceforge project to develop the
Antville/Helma based Twoday project even further.

Why do people not communicate with each other?
Why do people not cooperate with each other?

Actually, there's some spread development and knowledge (attached with
people) at
http://weblogs.brandnews.at
http://typolis.net
http://twoday.net
http://antville.org

And from a simple minded user's point of view (take me) who only wants the
most recent features like tags, trackback, rss2, moblogging all should be
fine, because all these features are implemented somewhere.
tags: brandnews, typolis; trackback: twoday; rss2: don't know; moblogging:
twoday, typolis -- at least.
(Gosh, there's much activity but nobody puts it together.)

>From a developer's point of view, all is about sharing knowledge to bring
any of these four projects further.

Well, that's only the setting for an analysis. Some personal impressions by
myself:
Do we have now two different camps of the project formerly known as
Antville?
There's antville.org with the original project site where you hardly find
any movement in 2005. The maintainer and core developer and gate keeper do a
pretty god job to keep www.antville.org running, but feel more related to
develop Helma, no time to enhance Antville. And there's Twoday, with a
corporate background, doing more
pace, reacting promptly on the needs of users (of course, a must for doing
business). Thus, Twoday is forced to take the lead.

Sadly enough it's now up to developers and users to bet on the right horse.

I would appreciate your feedback to make things clearer.
Martin

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[Franz Philipp Moser]

Hi Martin,

Martin Schäfer wrote:
> is Twoday the follow-up release of Antville?

Lets say its more. The core is still antville, but there has been a lot
of development. At the moment you can say imho that twoday has become
the better antville, because there has been development :) over the last
2 years.

Why I stick to antville is because we used it from the start. All our
extentions seen and not seen are antville and will need some time to use
it with twoday_open.

> For me, a user of Antville, a blogger at Towday.net and with a testing
> account at
> typolis.net, the recent postings by Antville developer Tobi
> http://blog.p3k.org/stories/4054/
> and Twoday developer Michi
> http://michi.knallgrau.at/blog/stories/1315871/
> raise some questions and demand some analysis.

As you can read in his blog, his time is limited and because of that
antville development has stopped.

The problem is still that nobody of the developers answer on the
mailinglist. That makes me al little angry, because we who use antville
don't get feedback on our issues.

> Tobi claims there's not much feedback by developers and cooperation among
> them. Michi initiates a new sourceforge project to develop the
> Antville/Helma based Twoday project even further.
>
> Why do people not communicate with each other?
> Why do people not cooperate with each other?

See above.

> Actually, there's some spread development and knowledge (attached with
> people) at
> http://weblogs.brandnews.at
> http://typolis.net
> http://twoday.net
> http://antville.org
>
> And from a simple minded user's point of view (take me) who only wants the
> most recent features like tags, trackback, rss2, moblogging all should be
> fine, because all these features are implemented somewhere.
> tags: brandnews, typolis; trackback: twoday; rss2: don't know; moblogging:
> twoday, typolis -- at least.
> (Gosh, there's much activity but nobody puts it together.)

rss2 see http://weblogs.brandnews.at/pm/stories/3808/

>>From a developer's point of view, all is about sharing knowledge to bring
> any of these four projects further.

I totaly agree

> Well, that's only the setting for an analysis. Some personal impressions by
> myself:
> Do we have now two different camps of the project formerly known as
> Antville?
> There's antville.org with the original project site where you hardly find
> any movement in 2005. The maintainer and core developer and gate keeper do a
> pretty god job to keep www.antville.org running, but feel more related to
> develop Helma, no time to enhance Antville. And there's Twoday, with a
> corporate background, doing more
> pace, reacting promptly on the needs of users (of course, a must for doing
> business). Thus, Twoday is forced to take the lead.
>
> Sadly enough it's now up to developers and users to bet on the right horse.
>
> I would appreciate your feedback to make things clearer.
> Martin

<snip />
I don't know where you are situated but I would like to meet people that
would like to continue the development and the "old" developers to
discuss how we continue and if antville will be "killed", somewhere in
Vienna.

Maybe with 2 beers :)

I would organize everything if somebody is interested, codename antville
Bootcamp or funeral :)

cu Philipp
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