Is Neo alive?

[Dmytro Duk]

Hi all

I have used Neo in one past project in 2005.

Does anybody know - is Neo still alive? Will Neo team release new versions with planned features, for new .NET
frameworks, etc? Do you continue development?
Or it is frozen project and users should not wait for any updates?

As you understand, this question is one of the most important when you're choosing ORM framework for new project. I
don't see any changes after 1-Jun-2006.

It would be great to hear answers from Neo team!
Thanks!

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[PC]

If memory serves correctly, someone (Paul???) was going to talk to Erik
Doernenburg, Neo's author, about reactivating the project or blessing an
'official' branch. AFAIK, there has been no response. There are a few of us
actively using Neo that would like to see it move forward. If Erik would
allow someone to take over the administration of the neo.codehaus.org site
and manage the svn, that would be great. If not, then I guess we are left
with the unofficial branch option, which I am happy to initiate.

I would appreciate hearing from interested parties, most especially, Erik.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Dmytro Duk [mailto:duk.all@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:39 AM
To: user@...
Subject: [neo-user] Is Neo alive?

Hi all

I have used Neo in one past project in 2005.

Does anybody know - is Neo still alive? Will Neo team release new versions
with planned features, for new .NET
frameworks, etc? Do you continue development?
Or it is frozen project and users should not wait for any updates?

As you understand, this question is one of the most important when you're
choosing ORM framework for new project. I
don't see any changes after 1-Jun-2006.

It would be great to hear answers from Neo team!
Thanks!

--
Best regards,
  Dmytro Duk


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[Artem-5]

Hi,

There's also an "unofficial branch" by Paul Gielens that supports
Generics.

Thursday, August 30, 2007, 7:47:49 PM, you wrote:

> If memory serves correctly, someone (Paul???) was going to talk to Erik
> Doernenburg, Neo's author, about reactivating the project or blessing an
> 'official' branch. AFAIK, there has been no response. There are a few of us
> actively using Neo that would like to see it move forward. If Erik would
> allow someone to take over the administration of the neo.codehaus.org site
> and manage the svn, that would be great. If not, then I guess we are left
> with the unofficial branch option, which I am happy to initiate.

> I would appreciate hearing from interested parties, most especially, Erik.

> Michael

I'd be happy to contribute in whatever happens to Neo, official or
not.

Artem


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[PC]

Thanks. I've appreciated your help in the past.

Michael

On 8/30/07, Artem <gamma@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There's also an "unofficial branch" by Paul Gielens that supports
> Generics.
>
> Thursday, August 30, 2007, 7:47:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> > If memory serves correctly, someone (Paul???) was going to talk to Erik
> > Doernenburg, Neo's author, about reactivating the project or blessing an
> > 'official' branch. AFAIK, there has been no response. There are a few of us
> > actively using Neo that would like to see it move forward. If Erik would
> > allow someone to take over the administration of the neo.codehaus.org site
> > and manage the svn, that would be great. If not, then I guess we are left
> > with the unofficial branch option, which I am happy to initiate.
>
> > I would appreciate hearing from interested parties, most especially, Erik.
>
> > Michael
>
> I'd be happy to contribute in whatever happens to Neo, official or
> not.
>
> Artem
>
>
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[Chris Tinsley]

My team is still using NEO, however we've made many modifications to the
core code base that would make merging tedious.  We did this after the
project started going quiet, and we needed new functionality.  I find
myself defending the NEO decision a lot to developers who weren't around
when it seemed like the lead horse.

At this point I think it's fair to say the project gets little to no
attention.  I can't/don't complain because I'm not contributing anything
back.  That's not to say that I wouldn't.  

I'm thinking of merging Paul Gielens Generics branch into our branch to
ease some common development tasks.  I've recently done a lot of work to
make WCF and NEO entities get along (using DataContract surrogates and
extra CodeGen DataContract classes).

Honestly, the product works well even under load.  I attribute that to
the CodeGen approach.  However, I would be lying if I told you that I'm
not considering moving our code to the ADO.Net Entity Framework when/if
it's made production ready.  



Cheers,
Chris Tinsley



-----Original Message-----
From: Dmytro Duk [mailto:duk.all@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:39 AM
To: user@...
Subject: [neo-user] Is Neo alive?

Hi all

I have used Neo in one past project in 2005.

Does anybody know - is Neo still alive? Will Neo team release new
versions with planned features, for new .NET
frameworks, etc? Do you continue development?
Or it is frozen project and users should not wait for any updates?

As you understand, this question is one of the most important when
you're choosing ORM framework for new project. I
don't see any changes after 1-Jun-2006.

It would be great to hear answers from Neo team!
Thanks!

--
Best regards,
  Dmytro Duk


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[PC]

Paul Gielens Generics branch is definitely a must have. I've used it
for about 6 months. Much easier and far less code.

I think the most difficult aspect of resurrecting Neo, is establishing
what the 2.0 base should be. I suspect that many of us have made
substantial changes to the last official release.

I too have created codegen (DTO) surrogates to integrate with the
Castle Monorail web framework. Works great!

Anyway, I still think that Neo is worth some effort, if only to keep
M$FT honest.

Kind regards,

Michael

On 8/30/07, Chris Tinsley <ctinsley@...> wrote:

> My team is still using NEO, however we've made many modifications to the
> core code base that would make merging tedious.  We did this after the
> project started going quiet, and we needed new functionality.  I find
> myself defending the NEO decision a lot to developers who weren't around
> when it seemed like the lead horse.
>
> At this point I think it's fair to say the project gets little to no
> attention.  I can't/don't complain because I'm not contributing anything
> back.  That's not to say that I wouldn't.
>
> I'm thinking of merging Paul Gielens Generics branch into our branch to
> ease some common development tasks.  I've recently done a lot of work to
> make WCF and NEO entities get along (using DataContract surrogates and
> extra CodeGen DataContract classes).
>
> Honestly, the product works well even under load.  I attribute that to
> the CodeGen approach.  However, I would be lying if I told you that I'm
> not considering moving our code to the ADO.Net Entity Framework when/if
> it's made production ready.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Tinsley
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dmytro Duk [mailto:duk.all@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:39 AM
> To: user@...
> Subject: [neo-user] Is Neo alive?
>
> Hi all
>
> I have used Neo in one past project in 2005.
>
> Does anybody know - is Neo still alive? Will Neo team release new
> versions with planned features, for new .NET
> frameworks, etc? Do you continue development?
> Or it is frozen project and users should not wait for any updates?
>
> As you understand, this question is one of the most important when
> you're choosing ORM framework for new project. I
> don't see any changes after 1-Jun-2006.
>
> It would be great to hear answers from Neo team!
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Dmytro Duk
>
>
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[Artem-5]

Hi List,

Friday, August 31, 2007, 5:24:55 AM, you wrote:

> I too have created codegen (DTO) surrogates to integrate with the
> Castle Monorail web framework. Works great!

Perhaps we could start a library of template snippets?

Artem


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[Gerben Vos]

Dear list,

great to see that my comments have rekindled interest in developing Neo.
We're extremely interested in the generics branch here.

For the moment, we are making some ad hoc changes here because of a
strict deadline, and we don't have time to send our contributions your
way. But once the dust settles, we'll see if we can clean up our code
and submit a few things. Mostly, we're making some ad hoc changes for
complex sort orderings, and for dealing more efficiently with read-only
(search) and write-only (auditing) actions. The spans code I sent in
earlier has already fallen into disuse again here because we found
speedups that are more interesting for us at this time.

After that, probably other projects not using Neo will need our
attention, so don't expect too much from us, at least not on a
continuing basis.

                                        Gerben.

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