Is this the most official cvs mailing list?

[Jirong Hu]

Sorry to ask this question. I found this mailing list here, but seems not
much activity as I expected. Is this the most official CVS mailing list? Is
there a more popular CVS forum or mailing list?
http://ximbiot.com/cvs/cvshome/communication.html
Thanks
Jirong

[Bob Proulx]

Jirong Hu wrote:
> Sorry to ask this question. I found this mailing list here, but seems not
> much activity as I expected.

Perhaps you are having a problem reading the list?  There seems to be
quite a bit of traffic here.  See the list archive for recent postings.

  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-cvs/2009-08/threads.html

> Is this the most official CVS mailing list?

Yes.  The list of mailing lists can be found here:

  http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=cvs

> Is there a more popular CVS forum or mailing list?

Much information can be found by looking at the GNU project page.

  http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/

Bob

[Jirong Hu]

Hi Bob
Thanks a lot for your help.

Jirong

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Bob Proulx <bob@...> wrote:

> Jirong Hu wrote:
> > Sorry to ask this question. I found this mailing list here, but seems not
> > much activity as I expected.
>
> Perhaps you are having a problem reading the list?  There seems to be
> quite a bit of traffic here.  See the list archive for recent postings.
>
>  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-cvs/2009-08/threads.html
>
> > Is this the most official CVS mailing list?
>
> Yes.  The list of mailing lists can be found here:
>
>  http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=cvs
>
> > Is there a more popular CVS forum or mailing list?
>
> Much information can be found by looking at the GNU project page.
>
>  http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/
>
> Bob
>

[Arthur Barrett]

Jirong and Bob,

> > Subject: Is this the most official cvs mailing list?
>
> Perhaps you are having a problem reading the list?  There seems to be
> quite a bit of traffic here.
.
.
.
> Yes.  The list of mailing lists can be found here:

Bob has provided a list of the GNU mailing lists for GNU software.

For better or for worse there are many bits of software that people
think are CVS.  It's actually enshrined in the GNU philosophy that
software should freely be copied and adapted - unfortunately the GNU
philopsophy doesn't make any clear rules about what to call such
adaptations.  The collabnet team specifically licensed Subversion in
such a way that any derirative works cannot be called Subversion to get
around this.

So the most official mailing list will depend on the version/adaptation
that you are using, each of these has it's own mailing list:
* CVS (this one here is for CVS 1.10, 1.11, 1.12)
* CVSNT (CVS versions 2.0, 2.5, 3.1)
* DCVS
* OpenCVS
* Subversion
* TortoiseCVS (really CVSNT + a GUI)
* WinCVS (really CVSNT + a GUI)

Then there are the commercial variants CVS Suite, CM Suite, CS RCS,
Perforce etc etc for which you need to contact the vendor.

Google is your friend and will help you find the correct mailing list
for each of those...

> > Sorry to ask this question. I found this mailing list here,
> > but seems not much activity as I expected.

Ahhh - you've presumably looked at the SVN mailing list and seen the 30+
messages every day.  You are right - this mailing list traffic is
comparably low.  

The correct explanation is one or more of these reasons:
A) CVS is easier to use than that other software, so people need to ask
less questions
B) CVS has less bugs than that other software, so people need to ask
less questions
C) People who use CVS know how to search the mailing list to find
previous answers, so do not have to ask the same questions each day
D) People who use CVS are more dedicated to the GNU philosophy and if
they find a problem, simply fix it and submit a patch rather than ask
why it doesn't work
E) People who use CVS can't be bothered writing e-mails, if it doesn't
work they just don't bother checking in
F) People who use CVS can (and do) read manuals
G) People who use CVS know the value of time and so are happy to pay the
authors to come on site and help
H) Most of the mailing list traffic is hidden from view unless you use
the undocumented 'cvs view-mailing-list' command
I) The few times anyone has ever asked a question - the replies are so
inane that they don't ever bother again
J) We've carefully hidden most references to the mailing list behind
'hyperlinks' (rather than the more garish/common BIG BLUE BUTTONS) so
very few people can find it
K) The moderators carefully screen mailing list applicants - if they
believe you may be likely to ask an innapropriate question they do not
allow you to join/post

Regards,


Arthur Barrett

[Todd Denniston-2]

Arthur Barrett wrote, On 08/26/2009 02:04 AM:

> Jirong and Bob,
>>> Sorry to ask this question. I found this mailing list here,
>>> but seems not much activity as I expected.
>
> Ahhh - you've presumably looked at the SVN mailing list and seen the 30+
> messages every day.  You are right - this mailing list traffic is
> comparably low.  
>
> The correct explanation is one or more of these reasons:
> A) CVS is easier to use than that other software, so people need to ask
> less questions
> B) CVS has less bugs than that other software, so people need to ask
> less questions
> C) People who use CVS know how to search the mailing list to find
> previous answers, so do not have to ask the same questions each day
> D) People who use CVS are more dedicated to the GNU philosophy and if
> they find a problem, simply fix it and submit a patch rather than ask
> why it doesn't work
> E) People who use CVS can't be bothered writing e-mails, if it doesn't
> work they just don't bother checking in
> F) People who use CVS can (and do) read manuals
> G) People who use CVS know the value of time and so are happy to pay the
> authors to come on site and help

Arthur,
please be careful when you head off into the deep end of the funny pool, some might think you are
still _very_ serious from H onwards. OH, and E seems a _little_ sketchy too. :)

I did enjoy them, but I thought they might be more confusing than funny to the less initiated.


--
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

[Arthur Barrett]

Todd,

> please be careful when you head off into the deep end of the
> funny pool, some might think you are still _very_ serious
> from H onwards.

Was the marital bliss portrayed by Ray Romano in "Everybody Love
Raymond" humorous because it was so far from our experience of family
life or because on occasion our family lives are so close to it?

Maybe we should ask Larry if Calvin has something to say on the issue?

Glad you enjoyed them!

We clearly need some topic to increase the daily message post count ;)

Regards,


Arthur

[Rick Genter]

> Was the marital bliss portrayed by Ray Romano in "Everybody Love
> Raymond" humorous because it was so far from our experience of family
> life or because on occasion our family lives are so close to it?

You're assuming it was humorous. I think that goes to prove Todd's
point. ;-)

> Maybe we should ask Larry if Calvin has something to say on the issue?

Calvin and Hobbes: now *there's* humor!
--
Rick Genter
Principal Software Engineer
Silverlink Communications

[Bob Proulx]

Arthur Barrett wrote:
> Was the marital bliss portrayed by Ray Romano in "Everybody Love
> Raymond" humorous because it was so far from our experience of family
> life or because on occasion our family lives are so close to it?

"Comedy is tragedy that happens to other people."

> The correct explanation is one or more of these reasons:
> ...
> K) The moderators carefully screen mailing list applicants - if they
> believe you may be likely to ask an innapropriate question they do not
> allow you to join/post

As one of the mailing list moderators for non-subscribers (subscribers
aren't moderated) I laughed to tears at reading that one.  I only wish
that were true!

I am compelled to add:
L) Fewer people use CVS these days now that newer version control
systems have become available and in popular use.

Note that I said "newer" not "better".  Others are certainly newer.
But that doesn't mean that each do not have their own strengths.

People attracted to bright shiney obj... (Squirrel!) ... are not as
likely to be asking questions about CVS because they are more likely
to be drawn into one of the newer ones and ask questions there.  But I
still use CVS on a regular basis and find it quite useful.

> We clearly need some topic to increase the daily message post count ;)

I am doing my part.  :-)

Cheers,
Bob

[Jirong Hu]

Thanks a lot, guys. Here I see a different culture from ClearCase forum :+)
Jirong

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Bob Proulx <bob@...> wrote:

> Arthur Barrett wrote:
> > Was the marital bliss portrayed by Ray Romano in "Everybody Love
> > Raymond" humorous because it was so far from our experience of family
> > life or because on occasion our family lives are so close to it?
>
> "Comedy is tragedy that happens to other people."
>
> > The correct explanation is one or more of these reasons:
> > ...
> > K) The moderators carefully screen mailing list applicants - if they
> > believe you may be likely to ask an innapropriate question they do not
> > allow you to join/post
>
> As one of the mailing list moderators for non-subscribers (subscribers
> aren't moderated) I laughed to tears at reading that one.  I only wish
> that were true!
>
> I am compelled to add:
> L) Fewer people use CVS these days now that newer version control
> systems have become available and in popular use.
>
> Note that I said "newer" not "better".  Others are certainly newer.
> But that doesn't mean that each do not have their own strengths.
>
> People attracted to bright shiney obj... (Squirrel!) ... are not as
> likely to be asking questions about CVS because they are more likely
> to be drawn into one of the newer ones and ask questions there.  But I
> still use CVS on a regular basis and find it quite useful.
>
> > We clearly need some topic to increase the daily message post count ;)
>
> I am doing my part.  :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
>
>