JDocking

[Jean Morissette-2]

Hi NetBeans folks,
I'm the owner of the project JDocking.  Please, could you give your
position in regard to this message
http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=17603

Best regards,
Jean Morissette

[Wade Chandler]

--- Jean Morissette <jean.morissette@...> wrote:

> Hi NetBeans folks,
> I'm the owner of the project JDocking.  Please,
> could you give your
> position in regard to this message
>
http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=17603
>
> Best regards,
> Jean Morissette
>

This functionality is already in the NB trunk.  There
are issues in IssueZilla with the word undock.  Look
for that and you'll find the issue.  It has been added
already.

Wade

[Michel Graciano]

Hi,
the WebStart are not working. The jar are not signed.

On 8/17/06, Wade Chandler <hwadechandler-nb@...> wrote:

> --- Jean Morissette <jean.morissette@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi NetBeans folks,
> > I'm the owner of the project JDocking.  Please,
> > could you give your
> > position in regard to this message
> >
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=17603
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jean Morissette
> >
>
> This functionality is already in the NB trunk.  There
> are issues in IssueZilla with the word undock.  Look
> for that and you'll find the issue.  It has been added
> already.
>
> Wade
>

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[Jaroslav Tulach]

<quote who="Jean Morissette">
> Hi NetBeans folks,
> I'm the owner of the project JDocking.  Please, could you give your
> position in regard to this message
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=17603

Do I see correctly!? Is the project really under LGPL:
https://jdocking.dev.java.net/

And you are saying it is based on NetBeans source code?  This would violate
all copy rights what so ever. Can you explain that? Thanks.

-jst

[Tim Boudreau]

Jaroslav Tulach wrote:

> <quote who="Jean Morissette">
>  
>> Hi NetBeans folks,
>> I'm the owner of the project JDocking.  Please, could you give your
>> position in regard to this message
>> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=17603
>>    
>
> Do I see correctly!? Is the project really under LGPL:
> https://jdocking.dev.java.net/
>
> And you are saying it is based on NetBeans source code?  This would violate
> all copy rights what so ever. Can you explain that? Thanks.
>  

Hi, Jean, et. al,

I've been meaning to email you about this project, as I've taken a
number of attempts in recent months of making the window system more
independent from NetBeans.

I'd generally say, considering the amount of deprecated stuff in
TopComponent (not to mention the fact that it requires you to do
subclass a component at all), that ideal would be layering a new API on
top of that - something simple enough that for simple cases you can just
call
new Tab (someComponent, "foo").open()

I also have an implementation of a docking "component" - basically you
just do
dockingComponent.add (myComponent, Constraints.NORTHEAST)

It's been a subject of some debate which way to go - do the equivalent
of JDesktopPane for docking (it will not be nearly as robust as the NB
window system, though it can looks just like it), but that approach is
most intuitive to someone used to Swing and containers and so forth.

Most of this stuff does not have a home on the net right now, just
because it's small projects and prototypes and it didn't seem worthy of
putting anywhere yet.


Re the license, Jarda is right - you can make code that is completely
yours GPL, but you cannot legally relicense the code that came from
NetBeans - only the copyright holder can do that.

Cheers,

Tim

[pmaslov]

> And you are saying it is based on NetBeans source code?  This would violate
> all copy rights what so ever. Can you explain that? Thanks.
>  

Interesting question. Jean, could you reply to this?
...My guess is that JDocking is all about re-packaging of existing NetBeans code plus developing new features "by example", and since NetBeans source remains unchanged and name "NetBeans" is being mentioned, it should not be a violation. I am right?

[tusharvjoshi]

IMHO when you take out some code of the complete application and use it in other way it becomes derivative work.  Derivative work according to GPL needs to be licensed as GPL according to GPL's viral behavior.

With Regards
Tushar

Tushar Joshi
http://netbeanside61.blogspot.com

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:48 AM, pmaslov <pmaslov@...> wrote:

> And you are saying it is based on NetBeans source code?  This would
> violate
> all copy rights what so ever. Can you explain that? Thanks.
>

Interesting question. Jean, could you reply to this?
...My guess is that JDocking is all about re-packaging of existing NetBeans
code plus developing new features "by example", and since NetBeans source
remains unchanged and name "NetBeans" is being mentioned, it should not be a
violation. I am right?
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JDocking-tp5851938p19006325.html
Sent from the Netbeans - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

--
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[Emilian Bold-2]

> IMHO when you take out some code of the complete application and use it in
> other way it becomes derivative work.  Derivative work according to GPL
> needs to be licensed as GPL according to GPL's viral behavior.

I dunno if Jean changed the project license in the meantime but it
seems to be CDDL, which is OK.

You have to remember that the NetBeans codebase is dual-licensed: CDDL
and GPL. But that doesn't mean that when you fork it you have to
respect both licenses:

* I can fork it based on the CDDL license which allows me to use it in
commercial apps for example as long as I also publish under CDDL my
changes; CDDL isn't viral.
* /or/ I can fork it under GPL, make all my contributions GPL and also
become viral
* /or/ I can fork it under CDDL and GPL like the original codebase.

I would like to point out that unless the project is exactly under
CDDL and GPL like the parent project, *none* of the changes could be
included back as patches, due to licence incompatibilities.

--emi

>
> With Regards
> Tushar
>
> Tushar Joshi
> http://netbeanside61.blogspot.com
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:48 AM, pmaslov <pmaslov@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > And you are saying it is based on NetBeans source code?  This would
>> > violate
>> > all copy rights what so ever. Can you explain that? Thanks.
>> >
>>
>> Interesting question. Jean, could you reply to this?
>> ...My guess is that JDocking is all about re-packaging of existing
>> NetBeans
>> code plus developing new features "by example", and since NetBeans source
>> remains unchanged and name "NetBeans" is being mentioned, it should not be
>> a
>> violation. I am right?
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/JDocking-tp5851938p19006325.html
>> Sent from the Netbeans - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Tushar Joshi
> http://www.tusharvjoshi.com
>

--
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[phone]
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Java and NetBeans Platform-loving consulting services from Timisoara, Romania.

[Emilian Bold-2]

Hm, I'm sorry ! I just noticed that while the last 2 emails are quite
recent, the thread is basically from 2006 !!

--emi

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Emilian Bold <emilian.bold@...> wrote:

>> IMHO when you take out some code of the complete application and use it in
>> other way it becomes derivative work.  Derivative work according to GPL
>> needs to be licensed as GPL according to GPL's viral behavior.
>
> I dunno if Jean changed the project license in the meantime but it
> seems to be CDDL, which is OK.
>
> You have to remember that the NetBeans codebase is dual-licensed: CDDL
> and GPL. But that doesn't mean that when you fork it you have to
> respect both licenses:
>
> * I can fork it based on the CDDL license which allows me to use it in
> commercial apps for example as long as I also publish under CDDL my
> changes; CDDL isn't viral.
> * /or/ I can fork it under GPL, make all my contributions GPL and also
> become viral
> * /or/ I can fork it under CDDL and GPL like the original codebase.
>
> I would like to point out that unless the project is exactly under
> CDDL and GPL like the parent project, *none* of the changes could be
> included back as patches, due to licence incompatibilities.
>
> --emi
>
>
>>
>> With Regards
>> Tushar
>>
>> Tushar Joshi
>> http://netbeanside61.blogspot.com
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:48 AM, pmaslov <pmaslov@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > And you are saying it is based on NetBeans source code?  This would
>>> > violate
>>> > all copy rights what so ever. Can you explain that? Thanks.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Interesting question. Jean, could you reply to this?
>>> ...My guess is that JDocking is all about re-packaging of existing
>>> NetBeans
>>> code plus developing new features "by example", and since NetBeans source
>>> remains unchanged and name "NetBeans" is being mentioned, it should not be
>>> a
>>> violation. I am right?
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/JDocking-tp5851938p19006325.html
>>> Sent from the Netbeans - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tushar Joshi
>> http://www.tusharvjoshi.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Emilian Bold
> [phone]
> http://www.emilianbold.ro
>
> Java and NetBeans Platform-loving consulting services from Timisoara, Romania.
>

--
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http://www.emilianbold.ro

Java and NetBeans Platform-loving consulting services from Timisoara, Romania.

[tusharvjoshi]

Thanks Emilian for pointing out this thread is quite old.

I answered it as I am currently exploring many docking frameworks for our commercial product.  If NetBeans Windowing System becomes available for such products as CDDL license then I will certainly dig more into the project and test it with our product

Currently we use flexdoc as docking system and JPF as the plugin system

with regards
Tushar

Tushar Joshi
http://www.jugnagpur.com

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Emilian Bold <emilian.bold@...> wrote:

Hm, I'm sorry ! I just noticed that while the last 2 emails are quite
recent, the thread is basically from 2006 !!

--emi

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Emilian Bold <emilian.bold@...> wrote:
>> IMHO when you take out some code of the complete application and use it in
>> other way it becomes derivative work.  Derivative work according to GPL
>> needs to be licensed as GPL according to GPL's viral behavior.
>
> I dunno if Jean changed the project license in the meantime but it
> seems to be CDDL, which is OK.
>
> You have to remember that the NetBeans codebase is dual-licensed: CDDL
> and GPL. But that doesn't mean that when you fork it you have to
> respect both licenses:
>
> * I can fork it based on the CDDL license which allows me to use it in
> commercial apps for example as long as I also publish under CDDL my
> changes; CDDL isn't viral.
> * /or/ I can fork it under GPL, make all my contributions GPL and also
> become viral
> * /or/ I can fork it under CDDL and GPL like the original codebase.
>
> I would like to point out that unless the project is exactly under
> CDDL and GPL like the parent project, *none* of the changes could be
> included back as patches, due to licence incompatibilities.
>
> --emi
>
>
>>
>> With Regards
>> Tushar
>>
>> Tushar Joshi
>> http://netbeanside61.blogspot.com
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:48 AM, pmaslov <pmaslov@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > And you are saying it is based on NetBeans source code?  This would
>>> > violate
>>> > all copy rights what so ever. Can you explain that? Thanks.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Interesting question. Jean, could you reply to this?
>>> ...My guess is that JDocking is all about re-packaging of existing
>>> NetBeans
>>> code plus developing new features "by example", and since NetBeans source
>>> remains unchanged and name "NetBeans" is being mentioned, it should not be
>>> a
>>> violation. I am right?
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/JDocking-tp5851938p19006325.html
>>> Sent from the Netbeans - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tushar Joshi
>> http://www.tusharvjoshi.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Emilian Bold
> [phone]
> http://www.emilianbold.ro
>
> Java and NetBeans Platform-loving consulting services from Timisoara, Romania.
>



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Emilian Bold
[phone]
http://www.emilianbold.ro

Java and NetBeans Platform-loving consulting services from Timisoara, Romania.

--
Tushar Joshi
http://www.tusharvjoshi.com

[pmaslov]

Thanks a lot for your reply, now it makes sense to me.

Pavel


Hm, I'm sorry ! I just noticed that while the last 2 emails are quite
recent, the thread is basically from 2006 !!