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Jamin/Darlot serial #s
Greetings,
A couple of times a year, I try to make sense of the Jamin, Jamin/Darlot,
Darlot serial #s with the idea of making a timeline of some sort. I am once
again in that mode.
I am now trying to determine serial number ranges for specific addresses
that are engraved on their early lenses.
A bit of casual research in another forum has revealed a very large gap in
the serial #'s, between about 7,000 and 20,000, that at present I can't
account for. At that time, The lenses still carried Jamin's name but the
company was already being run by Darlot.
At around 7000, the address was EXACTLY as follows:
Mon. Jamin.Darlot, Sr. Bte
14 r. Chapon Paris
#7063
Which essentially translates to: Mr. Jamin, Mr. Darlot Successor.
The next lowest serial # that I can find is more than 13,000 distant, and
exactly as follows:
#20574
ANCne Mon Jamin
Darlot, Sr.
This translates to something like" Formerly Mr. Jamin, Mr. Darlot
Successor.
Does anyone have a Jamin/Darlot lens with a serial between 7,000 and 20,000?
If so, please tell me the # and precisely what else is engraved on the lens.
A pic would be appreciated if possible.
I find the earliest appearance of Darlot by himself (with no mention of
Jamin) doesn't happen until roughly serial # 27,000. It would probably look
like this:
Darlot, Opticien
Paris
AD
27612
If you have an earlier serial # with just the Darlot name, I would to know
about that as well.
I believe my email address appears in this post. I'll be happy to post the
eventual results, but it may be best to just email to me offline so as not
to bore the group.
Many thanks,
mz
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I have been thinning out my non-landscape lenses, but the one Darlot that I
kept is one that has no markings on the brass, but the lenses themselves are
marked in ink in a period-looking script on their edges (the front and the
thicker of the back lenses, that is). The front says "Jamin et Darlot a
Paris 1860". The back says the same but without the number. In
addition, the front is marked with probably pencil: "J Lawson 271
Broadway".
Larry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:48
AM
Subject: [W&B] Jamin/Darlot serial
#s
Greetings,
A couple of times a year, I try to make
sense of the Jamin, Jamin/Darlot,
Darlot serial #s with the idea of making
a timeline of some sort. I am once
again in that mode.
I am
now trying to determine serial number ranges for specific addresses
that
are engraved on their early lenses.
A bit of casual research in another
forum has revealed a very large gap in
the serial #'s, between about 7,000
and 20,000, that at present I can't
account for. At that time,
The lenses still carried Jamin's name but the
company was already being run
by Darlot.
At around 7000, the address was EXACTLY as
follows:
Mon. Jamin.Darlot, Sr. Bte
14
r. Chapon Paris
#7063
Which essentially translates to: Mr. Jamin, Mr.
Darlot Successor.
The next lowest serial # that I can find is more
than 13,000 distant, and
exactly as
follows:
#20574
ANCne Mon Jamin
Darlot, Sr.
This translates to something like" Formerly Mr.
Jamin, Mr. Darlot
Successor.
Does anyone have a Jamin/Darlot lens
with a serial between 7,000 and 20,000?
If so, please tell me the # and
precisely what else is engraved on the lens.
A pic would be appreciated if
possible.
I find the earliest appearance of Darlot by himself (with no
mention of
Jamin) doesn't happen until roughly serial # 27,000. It
would probably look
like this:
Darlot,
Opticien
Paris
AD
27612
If you have an earlier
serial # with just the Darlot name, I would to know
about that as well.
I believe my email address appears in this post. I'll be happy
to post the
eventual results, but it may be best to just email to me
offline so as not
to bore the group.
Many
thanks,
mz
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Larry,
These things drive
me nuts.
Your lens was no
doubt made by J&D, but sold by someone else. EA for example put their
own logo on the lenses, but the edges are clearly marked.
Unfortunately, unless I have an address and serial # from the
barrel, I can't correlate anything.
Could I get a pic
of your Jamin & Darlot markings? I think I have a J&D 1861.
That also might be good to know.
By the way,
Hermagis also signed and dated their lens elements, at least some of
them.
Thinning out your
non-landscape lenses? Hmmm, that might be an interesting
project.
1. What
qualifies as a landscape lens? Single achromats only, or . . .
?
2. What
landscape lenses do you have?
3. What are
thinning out? Details, Larry, I need details . . . detailed
pics, too!
4. What
"landscape lenses" are you still looking for?
Thanks,
mz
I have been thinning out my non-landscape lenses, but the one Darlot that
I kept is one that has no markings on the brass, but the lenses themselves are
marked in ink in a period-looking script on their edges (the front and the
thicker of the back lenses, that is). The front says "Jamin et Darlot a
Paris 1860". The back says the same but without the number. In
addition, the front is marked with probably pencil: "J Lawson 271
Broadway".
Larry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:48
AM
Subject: [W&B] Jamin/Darlot serial
#s
Greetings,
A couple of times a year, I try to make
sense of the Jamin, Jamin/Darlot,
Darlot serial #s with the idea of
making a timeline of some sort. I am once
again in that mode.
I am now trying to determine serial number ranges for specific
addresses
that are engraved on their early lenses.
A bit of casual
research in another forum has revealed a very large gap in
the serial
#'s, between about 7,000 and 20,000, that at present I can't
account
for. At that time, The lenses still carried Jamin's name but
the
company was already being run by Darlot.
At around 7000, the
address was EXACTLY as follows:
Mon. Jamin.Darlot, Sr.
Bte
14 r. Chapon Paris
#7063
Which essentially translates to: Mr. Jamin, Mr.
Darlot Successor.
The next lowest serial # that I can find is
more than 13,000 distant, and
exactly as
follows:
#20574
ANCne Mon
Jamin
Darlot, Sr.
This
translates to something like" Formerly Mr. Jamin, Mr.
Darlot
Successor.
Does anyone have a Jamin/Darlot lens with a
serial between 7,000 and 20,000?
If so, please tell me the # and
precisely what else is engraved on the lens.
A pic would be appreciated
if possible.
I find the earliest appearance of Darlot by himself
(with no mention of
Jamin) doesn't happen until roughly serial #
27,000. It would probably look
like this:
Darlot,
Opticien
Paris
AD
27612
If you have an earlier
serial # with just the Darlot name, I would to know
about that as well.
I believe my email address appears in this post. I'll be happy
to post the
eventual results, but it may be best to just email to me
offline so as not
to bore the group.
Many
thanks,
mz
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Milan, you might try Bernard Plazzonet; He is very knowledgeable and generous with his knowledge. Best, Steve
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Stephen,
Yes?
Regards,
Milan
Milan.
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I am heading out of town for a week and I will try to get photos of the
markings on the lens when I get back.
As for the questions:
1. In my mind, and probably only in my mind, lenses fall into
categories, based on best use. There are lenses that seem destined for the
studio - ones that maximize light gathering (big glass, f5 or wider) and don't
care much about coverage. Many will only cover quarter-plate or maybe
half-plate. One which covers 8x10 weighs about 5 pounds - not something
you would want to lug around. A lot of these are Petzval type.
Others are made to be carried, light in weight, sometimes a "normal" lens, maybe
wide angle or extreme wide angle, maybe only f11 or smaller, and therefore
suitable for subjects that can sit still for a long time, like rocks. They
are also small in size, and usually can fold up with the camera. Those
that cannot be folded up with the camera tend to be lost over time. I
suppose, the single achromats would fall into that field category. A lot
of the later rapid rectilinears seem to be in between these extremes - suitable
for either use, but not optimized for either.
2. Since I collect mainly folding field cameras, and have a lot of
them, and most of these have lenses, I don't have time to discuss right
now. And I don't always document all the particulars about a lens in my
camera database, being lazy.
3. Perhaps I should have said that I already thinned them out.
I didn't have many to begin with, but I did sell 4 on ebay last year, including
two little quarter-plate Darlots that I can't find the serial #'s for
now.
4. I look for lenses suitable for a given camera that I have bought
that doesn't have one, or that came with the wrong lens, so it changes with the
season. Lately, I have less and less need for lenses, because I am no
longer buying less than complete specimens just to see what they look like, and
usually am buying outfits that are complete with the lens the period owner
used.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:56
PM
Subject: RE: [W&B] Jamin/Darlot
serial #s
Larry,
These things
drive me nuts.
Your lens was no
doubt made by J&D, but sold by someone else. EA for example put
their own logo on the lenses, but the edges are clearly
marked.
Unfortunately, unless I have an address and serial # from the
barrel, I can't correlate anything.
Could I get a pic
of your Jamin & Darlot markings? I think I have a J&D
1861. That also might be good to know.
By the way,
Hermagis also signed and dated their lens elements, at least some of
them.
Thinning out your
non-landscape lenses? Hmmm, that might be an interesting
project.
1. What
qualifies as a landscape lens? Single achromats only, or . . .
?
2. What
landscape lenses do you have?
3. What are
thinning out? Details, Larry, I need details . . . detailed
pics, too!
4. What
"landscape lenses" are you still looking for?
Thanks,
mz
I have been thinning out my non-landscape lenses, but the one Darlot
that I kept is one that has no markings on the brass, but the lenses
themselves are marked in ink in a period-looking script on their edges (the
front and the thicker of the back lenses, that is). The front says
"Jamin et Darlot a Paris 1860". The back says the same but without the
number. In addition, the front is marked with probably pencil: "J
Lawson 271 Broadway".
Larry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:48
AM
Subject: [W&B] Jamin/Darlot
serial #s
Greetings,
A couple of times a year, I try to
make sense of the Jamin, Jamin/Darlot,
Darlot serial #s with the idea
of making a timeline of some sort. I am once
again in that mode.
I am now trying to determine serial number ranges for specific
addresses
that are engraved on their early lenses.
A bit of
casual research in another forum has revealed a very large gap in
the
serial #'s, between about 7,000 and 20,000, that at present I
can't
account for. At that time, The lenses still carried
Jamin's name but the
company was already being run by Darlot.
At
around 7000, the address was EXACTLY as follows:
Mon.
Jamin.Darlot, Sr. Bte
14 r. Chapon Paris
#7063
Which essentially translates to: Mr. Jamin, Mr.
Darlot Successor.
The next lowest serial # that I can find is
more than 13,000 distant, and
exactly as
follows:
#20574
ANCne Mon
Jamin
Darlot, Sr.
This
translates to something like" Formerly Mr. Jamin, Mr.
Darlot
Successor.
Does anyone have a Jamin/Darlot lens with a
serial between 7,000 and 20,000?
If so, please tell me the # and
precisely what else is engraved on the lens.
A pic would be appreciated
if possible.
I find the earliest appearance of Darlot by himself
(with no mention of
Jamin) doesn't happen until roughly serial #
27,000. It would probably look
like this:
Darlot,
Opticien
Paris
AD
27612
If you have an earlier
serial # with just the Darlot name, I would to know
about that as well.
I believe my email address appears in this post. I'll be
happy to post the
eventual results, but it may be best to just email to
me offline so as not
to bore the group.
Many
thanks,
mz
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In a message dated 2/5/2007 10:31:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mathew_brady@... writes: two
little quarter-plate Darlots
Larry - were these mounted to 1/4 plate or 4x5 (american) cameras
?
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They were unmounted. I was guessing at the coverage. They were
that relatively common size where the barrel is about 2 1/4" diameter.
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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:32
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Subject: Re: [W&B] Jamin/Darlot
serial #s
In a message dated 2/5/2007 10:31:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mathew_brady@... writes: two
little quarter-plate Darlots
Larry - were these mounted to 1/4 plate or 4x5 (american) cameras
?
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Hi
I have 2 Darlot lenses, one is a landscape (big)??? with low serial AD 4971.
The other one is Portrait Group lens without Darlot, but has New York Lens Co- Sole US Agents
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