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[John Graddy]

I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't seem
to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?

Thanks.


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[Mark Nichols-3]

On Nov 1, 2009, at 7:32 PM, John Graddy wrote:

> I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't  
> seem
> to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
> releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?

Here. ftp://ubuntu.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu-releases/

Mark

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[born-4]

http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ubuntu.com/releases/

you can download the ubuntu 9.04 from this mirror.


http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
this is the mirror list.

2009/11/2 John Graddy <jwgraddy@...>

I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't seem
to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?

Thanks.


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[NoOp-4]

On 11/01/2009 05:32 PM, John Graddy wrote:
> I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't seem
> to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
> releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

Seems like a main webpage issue. A note to:
webmaster@...
might be in order.

http://releases.ubuntu.com/
http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
works for me.



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[Karl F. Larsen]

John Graddy wrote:
> I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't seem
> to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
> releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
        Go to any place you can get Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/

and look around. They are pushing 9.10 today but you get 9.04
from the same place.

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[NoOp-4]

On 11/02/2009 04:47 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> John Graddy wrote:
>> I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't seem
>> to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
>> releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
> Go to any place you can get Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> and look around. They are pushing 9.10 today but you get 9.04
> from the same place.

Actually you can't. That's the point I was making in

Seems like a main webpage issue. A note to:
webmaster@...
might be in order.

There is no easy way to find 9.04 on the newly designed website. I
looked and I can't figure out how to get 9.04 from the www.ubuntu.com
website, can you?

http://releases.ubuntu.com/
http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/

Works, but of course that's because I knew where to look & didn't get
that info from the www.ubuntu.com website.


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[Ian Coetzee-3]

On 02/11/2009 18:52, NoOp wrote:

> On 11/02/2009 04:47 AM, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
>> John Graddy wrote:
>>
>>> I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't seem
>>> to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
>>> releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Go to any place you can get Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> and look around. They are pushing 9.10 today but you get 9.04
>> from the same place.
>>
> Actually you can't. That's the point I was making in
>
> Seems like a main webpage issue. A note to:
> webmaster@...
> might be in order.
>
> There is no easy way to find 9.04 on the newly designed website. I
> looked and I can't figure out how to get 9.04 from the www.ubuntu.com
> website, can you?
>
> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
>
> Works, but of course that's because I knew where to look&  didn't get
> that info from the www.ubuntu.com website.
>
>
>

I usually just head to my nearest mirror to download images, I do see
your point though, they dont even have links to the other distros

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[John Graddy]

Thanks to all who responded.  I now have what I need.  However, I do
have a new question.

I have downloaded a release to one computer.  I did an MD5SUM and all is
OK.  However, if I copy the iso file to a usb flash drive and move it to
a different computer, I get a totally different md5sum on the file after
I put it on the hard disk.

Is something getting changed in the transfer process that I'm using???

If anyone has an answer, please answer me directly rather than using the
list.  I probably shouldn't have asked a new question in a thread that
has been resolved.

Thanks,
John


On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 19:32 -0600, John Graddy wrote:
> I want to download an iso of Ubuntu 9.04.  releases.ubuntu doesn't seem
> to work.  Everything that I find with Google seems to go to
> releases.ubuntu.  Does anyone know where a 9.04 iso can be downloaded?
>
> Thanks.
>
>



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[NoOp-4]

On 11/02/2009 03:51 PM, John Graddy wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded.  I now have what I need.  However, I do
> have a new question.
>
> I have downloaded a release to one computer.  I did an MD5SUM and all is
> OK.  However, if I copy the iso file to a usb flash drive and move it to
> a different computer, I get a totally different md5sum on the file after
> I put it on the hard disk.
>
> Is something getting changed in the transfer process that I'm using???

No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.



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[John Graddy]

On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:

> On 11/02/2009 03:51 PM, John Graddy wrote:
> > Thanks to all who responded.  I now have what I need.  However, I do
> > have a new question.
> >
> > I have downloaded a release to one computer.  I did an MD5SUM and all is
> > OK.  However, if I copy the iso file to a usb flash drive and move it to
> > a different computer, I get a totally different md5sum on the file after
> > I put it on the hard disk.
> >
> > Is something getting changed in the transfer process that I'm using???
>
> No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.
>
>
>

I'm continually impressed by the knowledge of folks on this list.

I didn't have a clue that the md5sum would change.  How do you learn
about that kind of stuff??

Thanks,
John



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[NoOp-4]

On 11/02/2009 06:42 PM, John Graddy wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:
>> On 11/02/2009 03:51 PM, John Graddy wrote:
>> > Thanks to all who responded.  I now have what I need.  However, I do
>> > have a new question.
>> >
>> > I have downloaded a release to one computer.  I did an MD5SUM and all is
>> > OK.  However, if I copy the iso file to a usb flash drive and move it to
>> > a different computer, I get a totally different md5sum on the file after
>> > I put it on the hard disk.
>> >
>> > Is something getting changed in the transfer process that I'm using???
>>
>> No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.
>>
>>
>>
> I'm continually impressed by the knowledge of folks on this list.
>
> I didn't have a clue that the md5sum would change.  How do you learn
> about that kind of stuff??

From this list :-) There was quite a discussion about this very issue
some time ago. I'll see if I can dig out the thread tomorrow.




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[kauer]

On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:
> > No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.

Why? The .iso is just a file, shouldn't it always have the same md5sum?
In fact, if it doesn't, what is the point of the md5sum?

Not contradicting you, just surprised and curious.

Regards, K.

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[NoOp-4]

On 11/02/2009 06:50 PM, Karl Auer wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:
>> > No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.
>
> Why? The .iso is just a file, shouldn't it always have the same md5sum?
> In fact, if it doesn't, what is the point of the md5sum?
>
> Not contradicting you, just surprised and curious.
>
> Regards, K.
>
>

Can't find the exact thread just now, but I do recall a thread where
this was discussed & made a point of it in this thread back in March:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/176290.html

I'll look further tomorrow.

Gary



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[James Michael Fultz-2]

* NoOp <glgxg@...> [2009-11-02 18:50 -0800]:

> On 11/02/2009 06:42 PM, John Graddy wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:
> >> No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.
> >>
> > I'm continually impressed by the knowledge of folks on this list.
> >
> > I didn't have a clue that the md5sum would change.  How do you learn
> > about that kind of stuff??
>
> From this list :-) There was quite a discussion about this very issue
> some time ago. I'll see if I can dig out the thread tomorrow.

Then someone was misinformed.  The MD5 sum should match if a file copy
operation is error-free.  Copying a file between storage devices is
equivalent to downloading it for as much as the MD5 sum should remain
consistent.  Just today I copied an ISO between two disks and was able
to verify by MD5 sum.

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[NoOp-4]

On 11/02/2009 07:07 PM, NoOp wrote:

> On 11/02/2009 06:50 PM, Karl Auer wrote:
>> On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:
>>> > No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.
>>
>> Why? The .iso is just a file, shouldn't it always have the same md5sum?
>> In fact, if it doesn't, what is the point of the md5sum?
>>
>> Not contradicting you, just surprised and curious.
>>
>> Regards, K.
>>
>>
>
> Can't find the exact thread just now, but I do recall a thread where
> this was discussed & made a point of it in this thread back in March:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/176290.html

Here is a recent real life example. I downloaded the most recent karmic
liveCD so that I could test an inplace reinstall on karmic for Emil
Payne (see the "Dist Upgrade" thread. Note to Emil - works with Karmic
live CD BTW so there is hope).

I now check the md5sum of the iso:

$ md5sum ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
8790491bfa9d00f283ed9dd2d77b3906  ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso

and see that it matches:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/MD5SUMS
8790491bfa9d00f283ed9dd2d77b3906 *ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso

Now I burn the iso to a cd & check the md5sum of that cd:
$ md5sum /dev/cdrom
8790491bfa9d00f283ed9dd2d77b3906  /dev/cdrom

And I've just now proven myself wrong :-( The md5sum of the CD matches
that of the iso. So apologies to the list, and to John Graddy. I'll
still see if I can find the thread tomorrow, but mea culpa & apologies
to all.





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[Rashkae-2]

John Graddy wrote:

>>>
>>> Is something getting changed in the transfer process that I'm using???
>> No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.
>>
>>
>>
> I'm continually impressed by the knowledge of folks on this list.
>
> I didn't have a clue that the md5sum would change.  How do you learn
> about that kind of stuff??
>

Eh, I'm having trouble figuring out if that was sarcasm, or if you
really believed that trite.


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[Rashkae-2]

NoOp wrote:

> On 11/02/2009 07:07 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 11/02/2009 06:50 PM, Karl Auer wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:
>>>>> No. The md5sum will change when you transfer the iso.
>>> Why? The .iso is just a file, shouldn't it always have the same md5sum?
>>> In fact, if it doesn't, what is the point of the md5sum?
>>>
>>> Not contradicting you, just surprised and curious.
>>>
>>> Regards, K.
>>>
>>>
>> Can't find the exact thread just now, but I do recall a thread where
>> this was discussed & made a point of it in this thread back in March:
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/176290.html
>
> Here is a recent real life example. I downloaded the most recent karmic
> liveCD so that I could test an inplace reinstall on karmic for Emil
> Payne (see the "Dist Upgrade" thread. Note to Emil - works with Karmic
> live CD BTW so there is hope).
>
> I now check the md5sum of the iso:
>
> $ md5sum ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
> 8790491bfa9d00f283ed9dd2d77b3906  ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
>
> and see that it matches:
> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/MD5SUMS
> 8790491bfa9d00f283ed9dd2d77b3906 *ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
>
> Now I burn the iso to a cd & check the md5sum of that cd:
> $ md5sum /dev/cdrom
> 8790491bfa9d00f283ed9dd2d77b3906  /dev/cdrom
>
> And I've just now proven myself wrong :-( The md5sum of the CD matches
> that of the iso. So apologies to the list, and to John Graddy. I'll
> still see if I can find the thread tomorrow, but mea culpa & apologies
> to all.
>
>

You're comparing the md5sum from a file to that of a CD.  They will
sometimes not match because the lead out from writing to a cd appends
some nulls.  It seems to depend on type of drive and exact command used
to burn cd, but either way, you cannot reliably compare md5sum of an iso
with the cdrom dev device.  Rather, use isoinfo command to get the
exactly number of bytes, and use dd to pipe that from the cd to md5sum

Example:   isodinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom will in the output, include a
'Volume size' number.  For example, say it's 1000

dd if=/dev/dvd bs=2048 count=1000 | md5sum -

That md5sum should always match the iso file that was used to burn the cd.

None of this matters in John's case, however, since all he did was copy
the file from one hard drive to another, in which case, the md5sum
should absofuckinglutely not change.  Either the thumb drive is
defective, or one the pc's has bad ram, or is corrupting data in the IO
path.



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[James Michael Fultz-2]

* NoOp <glgxg@...> [2009-11-02 19:32 -0800]:
[...]
> And I've just now proven myself wrong :-( The md5sum of the CD matches
> that of the iso. So apologies to the list, and to John Graddy. I'll
> still see if I can find the thread tomorrow, but mea culpa & apologies
> to all.

Well, at least you've gotten me onto something I need to investigate.

Experience has told me that the MD5 has should match for all copies of
an error-free download, file copy, and CD burn.  I was going to
demonstrate this when I found that they didn't for my copies of
Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit which I'd downloaded using BitTorrent.

$ wget -q -O - http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/karmic/MD5SUMS
[...]
dc51c1d7e3e173dcab4e0b9ad2be2bbf *ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[...]
$ md5sum -b ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso
82a867bbfe856e50f4dcec9d7585193c *ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso
$ md5sum -b /dev/cdrom
f20000abc83e2b07cff2e1e6bddf44d3 */dev/cdrom

What on earth?!  Yes, I've checked another mirror as well.  Also
downloaded the .torrent file again, and Transmission verifies the ISO
100% complete.

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[James Michael Fultz-2]

* James Michael Fultz <croooow@...> [2009-11-02 22:55 -0500]:
[testing md5sum of ISO downloaded via BitTorrent]
> $ wget -q -O - http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/karmic/MD5SUMS
> [...]
> dc51c1d7e3e173dcab4e0b9ad2be2bbf *ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso
> [...]
> $ md5sum -b ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso
> 82a867bbfe856e50f4dcec9d7585193c *ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso
> $ md5sum -b /dev/cdrom
> f20000abc83e2b07cff2e1e6bddf44d3 */dev/cdrom

$ md5sum -b ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
f20000abc83e2b07cff2e1e6bddf44d3 *ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso

Well, oops!  I guess I was mixed up about the ISO I'd burned to disc.
Still doesn't explain the mismatch in MD5SUMS for an ISO downloaded via
BitTorrent.

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[NoOp-4]

On 11/02/2009 07:49 PM, Rashkae wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
...
>> And I've just now proven myself wrong :-( The md5sum of the CD matches
>> that of the iso. So apologies to the list, and to John Graddy. I'll
>> still see if I can find the thread tomorrow, but mea culpa & apologies
>> to all.

>
> You're comparing the md5sum from a file to that of a CD.  They will
> sometimes not match because the lead out from writing to a cd appends
> some nulls.  It seems to depend on type of drive and exact command used
> to burn cd, but either way, you cannot reliably compare md5sum of an iso
> with the cdrom dev device.  

Ah, that's it. I still can't find the thread we this was discussed, but
this article might suffice instead :-)

<http://www.zyxware.com/articles/615/solution-to-checksum-error-and-md5-sum-error-in-brasero-k3b-and-other-burning-software>

Rather, use isoinfo command to get the

> exactly number of bytes, and use dd to pipe that from the cd to md5sum
>
> Example:   isodinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom will in the output, include a
> 'Volume size' number.  For example, say it's 1000
>
> dd if=/dev/dvd bs=2048 count=1000 | md5sum -
>
> That md5sum should always match the iso file that was used to burn the cd.
>
> None of this matters in John's case, however, since all he did was copy
> the file from one hard drive to another, in which case, the md5sum
> should absofuckinglutely not change.  Either the thumb drive is
> defective, or one the pc's has bad ram, or is corrupting data in the IO
> path.

Yep. I was thinking about the CD issue (must have been a full moon out
last night).


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