Java 5 is EOLed; is it time to set 6 as the base release ...

[Howard Lewis Ship]

... and if we did, what would that change?

Whlie on the subject, what if I more recent Servlet API was the base?
That could simplify a few things here and there I bet.

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[gredler]

Hi Howard,

This might be a good question to pose to the users' list, just to get some
feedback. I know HtmlUnit is probably not going to move to Java 6 for a
while, just because we don't really have a reason to (yet). And at my day
job, I know we just switched to Java 6 about a month ago... though I don't
know how representative these data points are.

Take care,

Daniel



On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hlship@...> wrote:

> ... and if we did, what would that change?
>
> Whlie on the subject, what if I more recent Servlet API was the base?
> That could simplify a few things here and there I bet.
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
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[Daniel Jue]

FWIW,

for my client we were required to complete migration 6 months before
the EOL date (of any piece of software).  I made the switch to Java 6
about a year ago, IIRC.

Daniel Jue

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Daniel Gredler <djgredler@...> wrote:

> Hi Howard,
>
> This might be a good question to pose to the users' list, just to get some
> feedback. I know HtmlUnit is probably not going to move to Java 6 for a
> while, just because we don't really have a reason to (yet). And at my day
> job, I know we just switched to Java 6 about a month ago... though I don't
> know how representative these data points are.
>
> Take care,
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hlship@...> wrote:
>
>> ... and if we did, what would that change?
>>
>> Whlie on the subject, what if I more recent Servlet API was the base?
>> That could simplify a few things here and there I bet.
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>
>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>
>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>
>> [phone]
>> http://howardlewisship.com
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[Igor Drobiazko]

We still use Java 5 and don't have plans to upgrade to Java 6. Big companies
migrate to newer Java version very late because it is very expensive.
Usually a big company is migrating at once. That means all the servers
worldwide have to be patched.

I don't see any reason to migrate to Java 6 so far. There are too much
companies which would ditch Tapestry because of the dependency on Java 6.

Regarding most recent Servlet API: AFAIK Tomcat 6 supports only Servlet API
2.5. The final draft of the Version 3.0 was released 07 May 2009. IMO it is
too early.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hlship@...> wrote:

> ... and if we did, what would that change?
>
> Whlie on the subject, what if I more recent Servlet API was the base?
> That could simplify a few things here and there I bet.
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> [phone]
> http://howardlewisship.com
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[Howard Lewis Ship]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Igor Drobiazko
<igor.drobiazko@...> wrote:

> We still use Java 5 and don't have plans to upgrade to Java 6. Big companies
> migrate to newer Java version very late because it is very expensive.
> Usually a big company is migrating at once. That means all the servers
> worldwide have to be patched.
>
> I don't see any reason to migrate to Java 6 so far. There are too much
> companies which would ditch Tapestry because of the dependency on Java 6.
>
> Regarding most recent Servlet API: AFAIK Tomcat 6 supports only Servlet API
> 2.5. The final draft of the Version 3.0 was released 07 May 2009. IMO it is
> too early.
>

Tapestry is coded against Servlet API 2.3 or 2.4 and there's a couple
of features in 2.5 that would be nice to leverage.

> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hlship@...> wrote:
>
>> ... and if we did, what would that change?
>>
>> Whlie on the subject, what if I more recent Servlet API was the base?
>> That could simplify a few things here and there I bet.
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>
>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>
>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>
>> [phone]
>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>
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>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Igor Drobiazko
>

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[Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo]

Em Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:13:39 -0200, Igor Drobiazko  
<igor.drobiazko@...> escreveu:

> I don't see any reason to migrate to Java 6 so far. There are too much
> companies which would ditch Tapestry because of the dependency on Java 6.

I'm using Java 6 since it was released, but I agree with Igor that there's  
no compelling reason to make Tapestry dependent on Java 6 now.

> Regarding most recent Servlet API: AFAIK Tomcat 6 supports only Servlet  
> API 2.5. The final draft of the Version 3.0 was released 07 May 2009.  
> IMO it is too early.

I agree again. :)

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Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,  
and instructor
Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da  
Informação Ltda.
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[Andreas Andreou-4]

Howard, what kind of simplifications you have in mind?

I too only use java6. But:
- APIwise, i think the only case where that was needed
was with a unicode related helper method that only java6 had...
- Codewise, i'm really used to seeing @Override over implementations
of interface methods (which i think doesn't compile in java5)

Still, no real reason for me to require java6 either.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
<thiagohp@...> wrote:

> Em Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:13:39 -0200, Igor Drobiazko
> <igor.drobiazko@...> escreveu:
>
>> I don't see any reason to migrate to Java 6 so far. There are too much
>> companies which would ditch Tapestry because of the dependency on Java 6.
>
> I'm using Java 6 since it was released, but I agree with Igor that there's
> no compelling reason to make Tapestry dependent on Java 6 now.
>
>> Regarding most recent Servlet API: AFAIK Tomcat 6 supports only Servlet
>> API 2.5. The final draft of the Version 3.0 was released 07 May 2009. IMO it
>> is too early.
>
> I agree again. :)
>
> --
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> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, and
> instructor
> Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
> Informação Ltda.
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
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[Kevin Menard-4]

There may be some interesting things that can be done with the Java6
scripting interface, but other than that, I can't think of much.

--
Kevin



On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Andreas Andreou <andyhot@...> wrote:

> Howard, what kind of simplifications you have in mind?
>
> I too only use java6. But:
> - APIwise, i think the only case where that was needed
> was with a unicode related helper method that only java6 had...
> - Codewise, i'm really used to seeing @Override over implementations
> of interface methods (which i think doesn't compile in java5)
>
> Still, no real reason for me to require java6 either.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> <thiagohp@...> wrote:
>> Em Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:13:39 -0200, Igor Drobiazko
>> <igor.drobiazko@...> escreveu:
>>
>>> I don't see any reason to migrate to Java 6 so far. There are too much
>>> companies which would ditch Tapestry because of the dependency on Java 6.
>>
>> I'm using Java 6 since it was released, but I agree with Igor that there's
>> no compelling reason to make Tapestry dependent on Java 6 now.
>>
>>> Regarding most recent Servlet API: AFAIK Tomcat 6 supports only Servlet
>>> API 2.5. The final draft of the Version 3.0 was released 07 May 2009. IMO it
>>> is too early.
>>
>> I agree again. :)
>>
>> --
>> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
>> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, and
>> instructor
>> Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da
>> Informação Ltda.
>> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
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