Just wondering..

[Cedric Chang-2]

>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 8:49 AM, David VanHorn wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Cedric Chang <cc@...> wrote:
>> Yezzzzz, i am good at sitting.  Especially in a Hot Tub.
>> Hot Tubs are dangerous ............ I know
>
> Dangerous?   The place I'm staying now has one that's big enough to
> see on google earth, but the shot was at a bad angle.    That is one
> of my favorite ways to cruise the galaxy.

Think of all the naughty and dangerous things that happen in Hot  
Tubs.  I think maybe they are more dangerous than nook plants.  
Certainly the chain reactions can run wild.  I saw it on TV i think.

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[Chris Smolinski]

>  > We've been storing nuclear waste of one sort or another for close
>>  to 60 years now.  That should be something of a case study.  As
>>  far as I know, the (known) ecological consequences have been less
>>  than those from conventional mining of various sorts, or even
>>  farmland construction via rain forest destruction.  (and perhaps
>>  less than the results of burning 60y worth of fossil fuels.)
>
>Well there are those hot frogs on the loose..  :)
>
>But I'm inclined to agree, and again the radioactives released by
>natural gas and coal might be even more than the nuke plants in total,
>and they are ignored.

There's an interesting article about just that subject here:
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/Coal-Combustion-Waste-CCW1jul93.htm

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[David VanHorn-2]

> Think of all the naughty and dangerous things that happen in Hot Tubs.

You say that like it's a BAD thing!

> I think maybe they are more dangerous than nook plants.

??? "nook plants" ???

> Certainly the chain reactions can run wild.  I saw it on TV i think.

you mean chemical, I think... :)
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[M. Adam Davis-2]

On 2/27/08, Cedric Chang <cc@...> wrote:
> > On 2/26/08, James Newton <jamesnewton@...> wrote:
> > > I like trains.
> > On Feb 27, 2008, at 12:14 PM, M. Adam Davis wrote:
> > You should be more specific - the last train journey I took (Ohio to
> > new york) was a miserable, miserable experience.
>
> Because ?

It was a night time ride, which may have made it worse.

 * The train was over two hours late for departure (nothing
interesting to do near or at the station)
 * There were two people talking very loudly on their cell phones and
to each other for about 3 hours during the night who ignored the
impotent conductor's pleas to stop
 * It was exceedingly slow - lots of 30mph sections of track
 * Several hour or longer stops on side tracks while 'priority' trains
(such as coal and cargo trains) moved in the other direction
 * Several other minor issues

Suffice to say that while I was looking seriously at taking a train
vacation across the country prior to this trip, I think I'm going to
skip it.  Of course I doubt all, or even most, trips have these
problems, but it did leave an impression.

I guess the biggest problem for trying again is that everyone I've
talked to about it decries Amtrak for many of these reasons.  Sounds
like James has had a different experience, and I'd certainly like to
hear better stories and perhaps experience the joy James finds in it.

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[Cedric Chang-2]

Yezzzzz, you are right about all of that .  Except I wear gold chains  
in the tub and I watch out for 'heavy water'

> On Feb 27, 2008, at 1:30 PM, David VanHorn wrote:
>
>> Think of all the naughty and dangerous things that happen in Hot  
>> Tubs.
>
> You say that like it's a BAD thing!
>
>> I think maybe they are more dangerous than nook plants.
>
> ??? "nook plants" ???
>
>> Certainly the chain reactions can run wild.  I saw it on TV i think.
>
> you mean chemical, I think... :)
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[David VanHorn-2]

When we did testing at Ft Huachuca in October, it took us over 24
hours to get home on US Scareways.
It all started with a plane that they took two hours on to figure out
that they couldn't fuel it.
Very nasty, long, uncomfortable, and one I'm not looking forward to repeat.
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[William Bross]

M. Adam Davis wrote:

>>
>>Because ?
>>    
>>
>
>It was a night time ride, which may have made it worse.
>
> * The train was over two hours late for departure (nothing
>interesting to do near or at the station)
> * There were two people talking very loudly on their cell phones and
>to each other for about 3 hours during the night who ignored the
>impotent conductor's pleas to stop
> * It was exceedingly slow - lots of 30mph sections of track
> * Several hour or longer stops on side tracks while 'priority' trains
>(such as coal and cargo trains) moved in the other direction
> * Several other minor issues
>
>Suffice to say that while I was looking seriously at taking a train
>vacation across the country prior to this trip, I think I'm going to
>skip it.  Of course I doubt all, or even most, trips have these
>problems, but it did leave an impression.
>
>I guess the biggest problem for trying again is that everyone I've
>talked to about it decries Amtrak for many of these reasons.  Sounds
>like James has had a different experience, and I'd certainly like to
>hear better stories and perhaps experience the joy James finds in it.
>
>-Adam
>  
>

Adam,
Sounds like a pretty 'typical' train ride to me.  Amtrak doesn't get the
right of way on anybody's tracks -- the people paying to have their
freight moved get it.  Sitting on siderails is all part of the process.  
Rude passengers, especially at night can be a real drag though.

Last October, we took Amtrak from Cincinnati to Chicago to Los Angeles,
drove up the coast to San Franciso and returned home on the train from
San Fransisco to Chicago to Cincinnati.  The trip was quite educational
and the scenery very interesting.  It really gave us an appreciation
just how far away the west coast is from Cincinnati.  We arrived at each
destination early with one exception when we were about an hour late on
the first leg into Chicago.  The food on the trains was pretty decent.  
Now for the fun part....  We had our own sleeper compartment.  A nice
place to sit and watch the scenery but quite cramped as sleeping
quarters.  One night I was practically catapulted out of bed when we
flew through a cross track about 60mph.  Track conditions on CSX were
the poorest between Cincy and Chicago, then on the BNSF route to LA.  
Union Pacific tracks were by far the smoothest and those weren't so
smooth.  Going through the mountains and changing elevation slowly made
my head feel like it was going to explode some nights.  As far as the
shower is concerned -- you can clean the important parts but a nice
leisurely soak ain't gonna happen.

I found the trip educational, scenic and semi-relaxing.  There are lots
of little annoyances you have to overlook along the way but I'd do it
again.  I was also told I'd be doing it by myself next time though.  The
wife got antsy sitting there all day.

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[James Newtons Massmind]

The train rides I've loved fall into two different groups:

A) hobby / historic trains. These are typically live steam, restored and run
for tourist money. My absolute favorite of those is the Old Poway Midland
Railroad and their little Baldwin steamer which is about 30 min from my
house.
http://techref.massmind.org/techref/member/JMN-EFP-786/powaymidlandrr.htm
http://www.powaymidlandrr.org

These are not practical to run nor ecological at all. Perhaps the largest of
them could be converted to run with a small nuke plant on board... ;)

The joy of those rides is from knowing the level of technology that was
available and seeing how much work my forefathers got done with what they
had. I'm proud of those trains.

My father built two live steam model trains; one in O and another in
Standard gage. Both are of the 4-8-4 Northern which, with additional
fairings, and "racing stripes" was operated as the "Daylight" on the
Southern Pacific line.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-8-4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Pacific_4449
You have not lived until you have experienced a living, breathing, roaring
Daylight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Train#The_1975-1976_American_F
reedom_Train
http://www.freedomtrain.org/html/main.htm

The O gage model has been fired on propane and run under live steam although
it is normally run from compressed air provided from a converted propane
bottle which is pulled behind the train. The people who make the big O gage
layouts tend to use papier-mâché and have silly concerns about live steam,
so the compressed air option was necessary. It has pulled a single human
rider (me, age ~5) in a lashed up car behind the tender. Honestly, I don't
remember that ride, but I've seen a picture of it.


B) municipal light rail. Typically the San Diego "trolley."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Trolley 
http://www.sdmts.com/Trolley/Trolley.asp
http://www.transit-rider.com/ca.sandiego/sdtrolley.cfm

The SD Trolley is, by and large, clean, efficient, comfortable and well run.
The people on the trolley are often colorful and entertaining with very few
rude or annoying sorts to spoil the mix. You do have to hold on when
accelerating or slowing as the operators do what they must to keep the
schedule.

In my younger days, I lived in Imperial Beach (south west most city in the
USA) and rode my bike several miles to the station. With a special pass, I
was able to take my bike on board and stand with it in the rear of a car. I
would exit at City College, attend classes until the afternoon then ride
through down town SD to the Santa Fe Depot where I would board the 951 bus
(bike in a rack on the rear, mind the driver knows you are loading) which
would take me over the Coronado Bay bridge for a short uphill pedal to the
base at North Island where I severed the swing shift. Getting off at
Midnight, after bus and trolley service had ended, I would bike all the way
down the strand about 10 miles. The gunfire I heard one night as I passed
pirates cove eventually convinced me to get a car.

Next month, North County TD is opening a light rail system from Escondido
(my home) to Oceanside which they call the "Sprinter"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPRINTER
http://www.gonctd.com/sprinter_intro.htm

I'm looking forward to taking my kids on a trip to the beach.

Sadly, there is no light rail system up the I15 corridor between home and
work.

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<SNIP>

I guess the biggest problem for trying again is that everyone I've
talked to about it decries Amtrak for many of these reasons.  Sounds
like James has had a different experience, and I'd certainly like to
hear better stories and perhaps experience the joy James finds in it.

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[Marcel Duchamp]

James Newton wrote:

> In my younger days, I lived in Imperial Beach (south west most city in the
> USA)


They'll be surprised to hear that in Hawaii...
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[David VanHorn-2]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Marcel Duchamp
<marcel.duchamp@...> wrote:
> James Newton wrote:
>
> > In my younger days, I lived in Imperial Beach (south west most city in the
> > USA)
>
>
> They'll be surprised to hear that in Hawaii...

I used to live in Ewa Beach, SW end of Oahu, more or less.
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[James Newtons Massmind]

I should have said that IB is the south west most city in the *continental*
USA.

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James Newton wrote:

> In my younger days, I lived in Imperial Beach (south west most city in the
> USA)


They'll be surprised to hear that in Hawaii...
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[Cedric Chang-2]

>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:51 PM, William Bross wrote:
>
> M. Adam Davis wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Because ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It was a night time ride, which may have made it worse.
>>
>> * The train was over two hours late for departure (nothing
>> interesting to do near or at the station)
>> * There were two people talking very loudly on their cell phones and
>> to each other for about 3 hours during the night who ignored the
>> impotent conductor's pleas to stop

I want someone to invent a new product.  It searches out the local  
cell phone transactions and inserts an annoying 'whine" into their  
conversations.
cc

>> * It was exceedingly slow - lots of 30mph sections of track
>> * Several hour or longer stops on side tracks while 'priority' trains
>> (such as coal and cargo trains) moved in the other direction
>> * Several other minor issues
>>
>> Suffice to say that while I was looking seriously at taking a train
>> vacation across the country prior to this trip, I think I'm going to
>> skip it.  Of course I doubt all, or even most, trips have these
>> problems, but it did leave an impression.
>>
>> I guess the biggest problem for trying again is that everyone I've
>> talked to about it decries Amtrak for many of these reasons.  Sounds
>> like James has had a different experience, and I'd certainly like to
>> hear better stories and perhaps experience the joy James finds in it.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
> Adam,
> Sounds like a pretty 'typical' train ride to me.  Amtrak doesn't  
> get the
> right of way on anybody's tracks -- the people paying to have their
> freight moved get it.  Sitting on siderails is all part of the  
> process.
> Rude passengers, especially at night can be a real drag though.
>
> Last October, we took Amtrak from Cincinnati to Chicago to Los  
> Angeles,
> drove up the coast to San Franciso and returned home on the train from
> San Fransisco to Chicago to Cincinnati.  The trip was quite  
> educational
> and the scenery very interesting.  It really gave us an appreciation
> just how far away the west coast is from Cincinnati.  We arrived at  
> each
> destination early with one exception when we were about an hour  
> late on
> the first leg into Chicago.  The food on the trains was pretty decent.
> Now for the fun part....  We had our own sleeper compartment.  A nice
> place to sit and watch the scenery but quite cramped as sleeping
> quarters.  One night I was practically catapulted out of bed when we
> flew through a cross track about 60mph.  Track conditions on CSX were
> the poorest between Cincy and Chicago, then on the BNSF route to LA.
> Union Pacific tracks were by far the smoothest and those weren't so
> smooth.  Going through the mountains and changing elevation slowly  
> made
> my head feel like it was going to explode some nights.  As far as the
> shower is concerned -- you can clean the important parts but a nice
> leisurely soak ain't gonna happen.
>
> I found the trip educational, scenic and semi-relaxing.  There are  
> lots
> of little annoyances you have to overlook along the way but I'd do it
> again.  I was also told I'd be doing it by myself next time  
> though.  The
> wife got antsy sitting there all day.
>
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[David VanHorn-2]

Rather than jammimg, I've wondered why cell phones don't incorporate a
receiver for a control signal to put them on silent/vibrate/no light
etc that could be used for movie theaters etc.
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[John Gardner-3]

> I want someone to invent a new product.  It searches out the local
> cell phone transactions and inserts an annoying 'whine" into their
> conversations.

In countries where such things are legal, or where the law can be
held at bay for a modest investment in the local power structure,
I'm told there's a market for cell phone jammers.

Mexico, for instance.


On 2/27/08, Cedric Chang <cc@...> wrote:

> >
> > On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:51 PM, William Bross wrote:
> >
> > M. Adam Davis wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Because ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> It was a night time ride, which may have made it worse.
> >>
> >> * The train was over two hours late for departure (nothing
> >> interesting to do near or at the station)
> >> * There were two people talking very loudly on their cell phones and
> >> to each other for about 3 hours during the night who ignored the
> >> impotent conductor's pleas to stop
>
> I want someone to invent a new product.  It searches out the local
> cell phone transactions and inserts an annoying 'whine" into their
> conversations.
> cc
>
> >> * It was exceedingly slow - lots of 30mph sections of track
> >> * Several hour or longer stops on side tracks while 'priority' trains
> >> (such as coal and cargo trains) moved in the other direction
> >> * Several other minor issues
> >>
> >> Suffice to say that while I was looking seriously at taking a train
> >> vacation across the country prior to this trip, I think I'm going to
> >> skip it.  Of course I doubt all, or even most, trips have these
> >> problems, but it did leave an impression.
> >>
> >> I guess the biggest problem for trying again is that everyone I've
> >> talked to about it decries Amtrak for many of these reasons.  Sounds
> >> like James has had a different experience, and I'd certainly like to
> >> hear better stories and perhaps experience the joy James finds in it.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >>
> > Adam,
> > Sounds like a pretty 'typical' train ride to me.  Amtrak doesn't
> > get the
> > right of way on anybody's tracks -- the people paying to have their
> > freight moved get it.  Sitting on siderails is all part of the
> > process.
> > Rude passengers, especially at night can be a real drag though.
> >
> > Last October, we took Amtrak from Cincinnati to Chicago to Los
> > Angeles,
> > drove up the coast to San Franciso and returned home on the train from
> > San Fransisco to Chicago to Cincinnati.  The trip was quite
> > educational
> > and the scenery very interesting.  It really gave us an appreciation
> > just how far away the west coast is from Cincinnati.  We arrived at
> > each
> > destination early with one exception when we were about an hour
> > late on
> > the first leg into Chicago.  The food on the trains was pretty decent.
> > Now for the fun part....  We had our own sleeper compartment.  A nice
> > place to sit and watch the scenery but quite cramped as sleeping
> > quarters.  One night I was practically catapulted out of bed when we
> > flew through a cross track about 60mph.  Track conditions on CSX were
> > the poorest between Cincy and Chicago, then on the BNSF route to LA.
> > Union Pacific tracks were by far the smoothest and those weren't so
> > smooth.  Going through the mountains and changing elevation slowly
> > made
> > my head feel like it was going to explode some nights.  As far as the
> > shower is concerned -- you can clean the important parts but a nice
> > leisurely soak ain't gonna happen.
> >
> > I found the trip educational, scenic and semi-relaxing.  There are
> > lots
> > of little annoyances you have to overlook along the way but I'd do it
> > again.  I was also told I'd be doing it by myself next time
> > though.  The
> > wife got antsy sitting there all day.
> >
> > BB
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[William "Chops" Westfield]

>> Imperial Beach (south west most city in the USA)

How exactly does one define/measure that?  If one takes a map of the  
US and rotates it 45 degrees so that SW is straight down, Imperial  
Beach isn't anywhere close to the lowest point - Santa Maria, Santa  
Barbara, and even Oxnard are all "further southwest." The problem is  
that the southern part of the US west coast isn't very far WEST.  
(y'all know that San Francisco is closer to Hawaii than Los Angeles  
is, right?)

  :-)
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[John Gardner-3]

I'll admit to teasing people about the whereabouts of Easter Island,
which lies on about the same meridian of longitude as Denver...

Jack


On 2/27/08, William Chops Westfield <westfw@...> wrote:

>
> >> Imperial Beach (south west most city in the USA)
>
> How exactly does one define/measure that?  If one takes a map of the
> US and rotates it 45 degrees so that SW is straight down, Imperial
> Beach isn't anywhere close to the lowest point - Santa Maria, Santa
> Barbara, and even Oxnard are all "further southwest." The problem is
> that the southern part of the US west coast isn't very far WEST.
> (y'all know that San Francisco is closer to Hawaii than Los Angeles
> is, right?)
>
>   :-)
> BillW
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[Russell McMahon]

The train rides I've loved fall into two different groups:

A) hobby / historic trains. These are typically live steam,
restored and run
for tourist money. My absolute favorite of those is the Old
Poway Midland
Railroad and their little Baldwin steamer which is about 30
min from my
house.
http://techref.massmind.org/techref/member/JMN-EFP-786/powaymidlandrr.htm
http://www.powaymidlandrr.org

These are not practical to run nor ecological at all.
Perhaps the largest of
them could be converted to run with a small nuke plant on
board... ;)

The joy of those rides is from knowing the level of
technology that was
available and seeing how much work my forefathers got done
with what they
had. I'm proud of those trains.

___

Glenbrook Steam Festival 2007
More steam thingys than you can shake a stick at.
1901 White Steamer - operational.
1931 Bugatti Type 54 Grand Prix (only steams when
overheated)
Morgan V-twin Matchless (When it steams you are in REAL
trouble)
Stirling Engine models
Much much much more. Traction engines, chaff cutters,
Pantechnicons, ...
1400 photos


        http://public.fotki.com/russellmc/events/festival/glenbrook2007/


            Russell


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[Herbert Graf-2]

On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 20:04 -0500, David VanHorn wrote:
> Rather than jammimg, I've wondered why cell phones don't incorporate a
> receiver for a control signal to put them on silent/vibrate/no light
> etc that could be used for movie theaters etc.

Because where would it end?

What about in church? What about on a bus? What about in a restaurant?

Where is the line drawn, and who draws it?

Frankly, the less big brother is "taking care" of me, the better.

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[David VanHorn-2]

>  Because where would it end?
>
>  What about in church? What about on a bus? What about in a restaurant?
>
>  Where is the line drawn, and who draws it?
>
>  Frankly, the less big brother is "taking care" of me, the better.

I agree, but I see a "request for quiet mode" as far less of a problem
than jamming, which some places are resorting to already.
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[Herbert Graf-2]

On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 21:45 -0500, David VanHorn wrote:

> >  Because where would it end?
> >
> >  What about in church? What about on a bus? What about in a restaurant?
> >
> >  Where is the line drawn, and who draws it?
> >
> >  Frankly, the less big brother is "taking care" of me, the better.
>
> I agree, but I see a "request for quiet mode" as far less of a problem
> than jamming, which some places are resorting to already.

Jamming will not continue. In many places it's already illegal. In
others it will eventually become illegal.

There are many reasons for this, one is the lobbying power of the cell
providers, jamming takes money out of their pockets.

Liability is another. If jamming becomes pervasive it won't be long
before lawsuits and possibly even criminal proceedings start. All it
takes is one case where a cell user couldn't call 911 and someone died
to trigger an onslaught of the courts against jamming.

Even people avoiding places that are jamming will result in jamming
dissappearing. Most people think jamming in a movie theatre is a good
idea (for the record I don't but then, I rarely go to movie theatres
anymore, they are slowly dieing and likely won't be around much longer),
until your family can't reach you to tell you your daugter is giving
birth because you were in a theatre that had jamming.

TTYL
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