KDE 3 and KDE4

[Renaud (Ron) Olgiati]

Can anyone confirm that booting up with 2009.1, and running "upgrade Mandriva
2008.1" will keep KDE3 ?

TIA,
 
Ron.
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[Renaud (Ron) Olgiati]

On Saturday 08 August 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <renaud@...> who wrote:

> Can anyone confirm that booting up with 2009.1

I mean "booting with the 2009.1 DVD"
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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[James Kerr-2]

On Saturday 08 August 2009 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

> Can anyone confirm that booting up with 2009.1, and running
> "upgrade Mandriva 2008.1" will keep KDE3 ?

http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.1_Notes#Upgrading_from_previous_releases

Jim

[Renaud (Ron) Olgiati]

On Saturday 08 August 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from James Kerr <jim@...> who wrote:

> > Can anyone confirm that booting up with 2009.1, and running
> > "upgrade Mandriva 2008.1" will keep KDE3 ?
>
> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.1_Notes#Upgrading_from_previous_releases

Ta,

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[bascule-2]

On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:24:55 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> Can anyone confirm that booting up with 2009.1, and running "upgrade
> Mandriva 2008.1" will keep KDE3 ?

ron, all my experiments so far to get this to happen have failed, i posted a
message asking the same as you and no-one actually admitted to successfully
upgrading 2009.1 and keeping kde3 despite it supposedly being possible from a
network install

bascule

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[bascule-2]

On Saturday 08 August 2009 22:10:01 bascule wrote:
> successfully
> upgrading 2009.1

should read 'successfully upgrading to 2009.1 from 2008.1'

bascule
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[Jim Beard-3]

bascule wrote:
> On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:24:55 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>> Can anyone confirm that booting up with 2009.1, and running "upgrade
>> Mandriva 2008.1" will keep KDE3 ?
>
> ron, all my experiments so far to get this to happen have failed, i posted a
> message asking the same as you and no-one actually admitted to successfully
> upgrading 2009.1 and keeping kde3 despite it supposedly being possible from a
> network install

I did the Mandriva distro upgrade from 2008.1 to 2009.0 and kept
KDE3.  KDE4 was also installed.

The downside was a variety of minor problems seemingly due to
taking the upgrade path rather than doing a clean install.  I
later upgraded from 2009.0 to 2009.1 and things improved, but
problems remained.

I have recently done a clean install of 2010 Alpha2, and things
are generally working better than they did with 2009.[01].
Pulseaudio remains worthless (disable it and sound then works)
and I am using the GNOME desktop because Amarok does not play
nicely under cooker's KDE4, but most things work that I use.

Cheers!

jim b.

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      expects users to be computer-friendly.

[bascule-2]

On Sunday 09 August 2009 01:20:35 Jim Beard wrote:
> I did the Mandriva distro upgrade from 2008.1 to 2009.0 and kept
> KDE3.  KDE4 was also installed.

did you use the mdkonline applet or boot up and do a network install?

> The downside was a variety of minor problems seemingly due to
> taking the upgrade path rather than doing a clean install.  I
> later upgraded from 2009.0 to 2009.1 and things improved, but
> problems remained.

still with kde3 installed?

sounds like you had better luck than i did

bascule

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[Renaud (Ron) Olgiati]

On Saturday 08 August 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from bascule <asura@...> who wrote:

> did you use the mdkonline applet or boot up and do a network install?

Going off at a tangent, I have the mdkonline package installed, yet there is
no update applet listed as available to add to the panel, nor do I see an
update daemon listed in mcc=>System=>Services.

???????
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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[bascule-2]

On Sunday 09 August 2009 01:52:56 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> Going off at a tangent, I have the mdkonline package installed, yet there
> is no update applet listed as available to add to the panel, nor do I see
> an update daemon listed in mcc=>System=>Services.

i found that i had to wait a while after booting for the icon to show itself
on panel, if i ran mdkapplet-upgrade-helper by itself before this it just
upgraded 2008.1 to itself then suggested a reboot!

bascule

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....because i like to count!"

[Jim Beard-3]

bascule wrote:

> On Sunday 09 August 2009 01:20:35 Jim Beard wrote:
>> I did the Mandriva distro upgrade from 2008.1 to 2009.0 and kept
>> KDE3.  KDE4 was also installed.
>
> did you use the mdkonline applet or boot up and do a network install?
>
>> The downside was a variety of minor problems seemingly due to
>> taking the upgrade path rather than doing a clean install.  I
>> later upgraded from 2009.0 to 2009.1 and things improved, but
>> problems remained.
>
> still with kde3 installed?
>
> sounds like you had better luck than i did

I kept KDE3 from 2008.1 to 2009.0 and on to 2009.1.  I kept
KDE3 all the way.

I never did get all the glitches ironed out, though,
and am unsure how much was due to carry-forward of old
configuration settings and other cruft and how much was
due to flaky new software.

Cheers!

jim b.

--
UNIX is not user unfriendly; it merely
      expects users to be computer-friendly.

[Jim Beard-3]

bascule wrote:
> On Sunday 09 August 2009 01:20:35 Jim Beard wrote:
>> I did the Mandriva distro upgrade from 2008.1 to 2009.0 and kept
>> KDE3.  KDE4 was also installed.
>
> did you use the mdkonline applet or boot up and do a network install?

Oops.  Forgot to answer this one.  I used the mdkonline applet in
both instances, going from 2008.1 to 2009.0 and from 2009.0 to
2009.1.

Cheers!

jim b.


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[bascule-2]

On Sunday 09 August 2009 03:44:56 Jim Beard wrote:
> Oops.  Forgot to answer this one.  I used the mdkonline applet in
> both instances, going from 2008.1 to 2009.0 and from 2009.0 to
> 2009.1.

well i've been doing more experimenting, i cannot get an upgrade from 2008.1
to 2009.1 to work (this is using virtual machines) at all well using any
method, but doing an upgrade to 2009.0 went ok as long as i did not use the
mkdonline applet. i used a local mirror of 2009.0 and set up that as a
repository and then went to init level 3 and did
urpmi task-kde3
followed by
urpmi --auto-select --replacefiles

i did not choose auto, because i wanted to see what choices were offered in
case any were between kde3 and 4 versions, watching the install i noticed
that at the end of the install task-kde3 was then removed! along with certain
rpms like kdebase-common, kdepim-kmail  etc. i then installed these manually,

this gave me 2009.0 with kde3 as the default environment to log into, i did
basically the same to upgrade to 2009.1, you have to watch the list of
installed and removed rpms because despite having kde3 apps installed the
upgrade does eventually uninstall the new versions of them, after it upgrades
them! i had to reinstalled the upgraded versions manually after the upgrade
had finished - insane!

bascule

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[Renaud (Ron) Olgiati]

There is an option "Update your system" in MCC => Softaware management.

Is this equivalent,in results, to the mdkonline applet which still refuses to
appear in my taskbar ?

Will it bugger my KDE 3 ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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