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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Martín Marqués wrote:
> 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton < pemboa@...>:
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués
>> < martin.marques@...> wrote:
>>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE
>> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously?
>
> Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are
> totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice,
> but useless.
>
What part of KDE requires MySQL server? None that I am aware of. But
then I build my own from source and not rely on these asinine package
dependencies from binary packages. There are NO KDE components that
/require/ MySQL. You can' specify database support, but it's not required.
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
2009/2/16 Mark Haney < mhaney@...>:
> Martín Marqués wrote:
>> 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton < pemboa@...>:
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués
>>> < martin.marques@...> wrote:
>>>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE
>>> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously?
>>
>> Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are
>> totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice,
>> but useless.
>>
>
> What part of KDE requires MySQL server? None that I am aware of. But
> then I build my own from source and not rely on these asinine package
> dependencies from binary packages. There are NO KDE components that
> /require/ MySQL. You can' specify database support, but it's not required.
Please, enlight me. How can akonadi work without a mysql instance?
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3FBTW, is there a way to disable akonadi and still work with KDE destop?
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Martín Marqués wrote:
> 2009/2/16 Mark Haney < mhaney@...>:
>> Martín Marqués wrote:
>>> 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton < pemboa@...>:
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués
>>>> < martin.marques@...> wrote:
>>>>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE
>>>> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously?
>>> Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are
>>> totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice,
>>> but useless.
>>>
>> What part of KDE requires MySQL server? None that I am aware of. But
>> then I build my own from source and not rely on these asinine package
>> dependencies from binary packages. There are NO KDE components that
>> /require/ MySQL. You can' specify database support, but it's not required.
>
> Please, enlight me. How can akonadi work without a mysql instance?
>
> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F>
> BTW, is there a way to disable akonadi and still work with KDE destop?
>
Of course. I don't run akonadi server at all. And it works just fine.
As for all the comments about KDE being 'Vista' I'd like to point out
that GNOME uses Beagle (if I recall) which is very similar to Akonadi.
GNOME's latest releases suck so bad I will never go back. KDE 4.2 is
the best version of KDE4 and is simply amazing.
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Martín Marqués wrote:
> 2009/2/16 Mark Haney < mhaney@...>:
>> Martín Marqués wrote:
>>> 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton < pemboa@...>:
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués
>>>> < martin.marques@...> wrote:
>>>>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE
>>>> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously?
>>> Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are
>>> totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice,
>>> but useless.
>>>
>> What part of KDE requires MySQL server? None that I am aware of. But
>> then I build my own from source and not rely on these asinine package
>> dependencies from binary packages. There are NO KDE components that
>> /require/ MySQL. You can' specify database support, but it's not required.
>
> Please, enlight me. How can akonadi work without a mysql instance?
>
> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F>
> BTW, is there a way to disable akonadi and still work with KDE destop?
>
And yes akonadi does require MySWL, but KDE 4.2 does NOT require
akonadi. So my point is still very valid.
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Martín Marqués
< martin.marques@...> wrote:
> 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton < pemboa@...>:
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués
>> < martin.marques@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE
>>
>> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously?
>
> Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are
> totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice,
> but useless.
If a component you want requires a resource, it is, by definition,
necessary. Or are you using an alternate definition of necessary.
As an uninformed observer, the requirement of mysql-server seems over
kill, but it's a 21MB download that only consumes as much resources as
is required at any one time.
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
>
> If a component you want requires a resource, it is, by definition,
> necessary. Or are you using an alternate definition of necessary.
No, that works for me, however, the OP mentions KDE4.2 /requiring/
MySQL. And, no it does not require it for every instance. But yes if
it is a component you want, it is necessary. But that's splitting
hairs. KDE4.2 runs just fine without akonadi, therefor it does not
require MySQL. If for whatever reason 4.2 would NOT run fine without
MySQL, then I'd agree with you. To me, akonadi is useless and a waste
of resources, much like Beagle is on GNOME.
But then, to me GNOME is a waste of resources. I'd like to speak to the
goon decided on GNOME's latest interface. If anything, GNOME is Linux
Vista. It's poorly designed and with no thoughts to whether the end
user finds it usable or not.
>
> As an uninformed observer, the requirement of mysql-server seems over
> kill, but it's a 21MB download that only consumes as much resources as
> is required at any one time.
>
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Monday 16 February 2009 18:58:55 Martín Marqués wrote:
>
> BTW, is there a way to disable akonadi and still work with KDE destop?
>
Yes. I'm still looking forward to eventually benefitting from akonadi, but
it's not for me at the moment. KOrganizer asks me if I want to put entries
into an akonadi-compatible diary, and I decline, selecting my old-style one.
Absolutely no akonadi configuration has been done at this point.
It is, in fact, the right answer, IMO, but still in relatively early days.
Anne
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Monday 16 February 2009 20:22:37 Martín Marqués wrote:
> 2009/2/16 Mark Haney < mhaney@...>:
> > Martín Marqués wrote:
> >> Please, enlight me. How can akonadi work without a mysql instance?
> >>
> >> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use> >>.3F
> >>
> >> BTW, is there a way to disable akonadi and still work with KDE destop?
> >
> > And yes akonadi does require MySWL, but KDE 4.2 does NOT require
> > akonadi. So my point is still very valid.
>
> OK. By default akonadi starts when I enter my session.
What have you got that is using it?
> What do I have
> to do for this not to happen again at logging? Stopping akonadi during
> my open session will make it not start in the next logging?
>
You could always stop akonadi then do a Save Session, but something must be
using it, or you have started it through systemsettings, if that's possible,
so be careful that you are not going to break something you want.
As a matter of interest, what resources is it using? cpu and ram?
Anne
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 20:33 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> You could always stop akonadi then do a Save Session, but something must be
> using it, or you have started it through systemsettings, if that's possible,
> so be careful that you are not going to break something you want.
Anne, I also have akonadi running but have no idea why:
% pgrep -fl akonadi
10876 /usr/bin/akonadi_control
10878 akonadiserver
10880 /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-file=/home/poc/.local/share/akonadi//mysql.conf --datadir=/home/poc/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --socket=/home/poc/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket
10901 /usr/bin/akonadi_kabc_resource --identifier akonadi_kabc_resource_0
10902 /usr/bin/akonadi_vcard_resource --identifier akonadi_vcard_resource_0
10910 /usr/bin/akonadi_kabc_resource --identifier akonadi_kabc_resource_1
I don't use any of the kdepim components that I'm aware of. Furthermore,
attempting to remove akonadi leads to removing virtually all of KDE
including kdebase and kdelibs, so the question as to whether it's
"necessary" seems academic.
poc
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Monday 16 February 2009 20:59:05 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 20:33 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > You could always stop akonadi then do a Save Session, but something must
> > be using it, or you have started it through systemsettings, if that's
> > possible, so be careful that you are not going to break something you
> > want.
>
> Anne, I also have akonadi running but have no idea why:
>
> % pgrep -fl akonadi
> 10876 /usr/bin/akonadi_control
> 10878 akonadiserver
> 10880 /usr/libexec/mysqld
> --defaults-file=/home/poc/.local/share/akonadi//mysql.conf
> --datadir=/home/poc/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/
> --socket=/home/poc/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket 10901
> /usr/bin/akonadi_kabc_resource --identifier akonadi_kabc_resource_0 10902
> /usr/bin/akonadi_vcard_resource --identifier akonadi_vcard_resource_0 10910
> /usr/bin/akonadi_kabc_resource --identifier akonadi_kabc_resource_1
>
> I don't use any of the kdepim components that I'm aware of. Furthermore,
> attempting to remove akonadi leads to removing virtually all of KDE
> including kdebase and kdelibs, so the question as to whether it's
> "necessary" seems academic.
Well if I am not mistaken Kabc is using it, I am not sure if it is set to use
Kabc initially as default, Rex, Kevin? but I use it (for testing purposes)
with Kabc:
2560 /usr/bin/akonadi_control
2562 akonadiserver
2569 /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-
file=/home/g6avk/.local/share/akonadi//mysql.conf --
datadir=/home/g6avk/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --
socket=/home/g6avk/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket
2622 /usr/bin/akonadi_mailthreader_agent --identifier
akonadi_mailthreader_agent
2623 /usr/bin/akonadi_vcard_resource --identifier akonadi_vcard_resource_2
Works well an not resource hungry. If you don't want/need to use it disable it
in systems settings.
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Mark Haney < mhaney@...> wrote:
> And yes akonadi does require MySWL, but KDE 4.2 does NOT require
> akonadi. So my point is still very valid.
In Fedora 10, akonadi cannot be un-installed without removing KDE.
And KDE cannot be updated to version 4.2 without updating akonadi
as well. In the end, KDE 4.2 requires MySQL (server) to be installed.
Yes, you may run KDE without akonadi, and akonadi may use remote
databases, but Fedora 10 insists on installing MySQL server packages
if you want to have KDE 4.2. And by default, akonadi uses a local
MySQL instance. That's weird for a desktop workstation, and it's the
wrong way to use a database like MySQL. Are all KDE core developers
aware of this new dependency, and are they all happy about it?
However, I accept the fact that KDE 4.2 now depends on MySQL, and
installing a different Linux distribution after all these years
won't help because sooner or later all other Linux distributions
will have the same dependencies which come from akonadi (and
without akonadi, you cannot install KDE). So, until GNOME people
start their local MySQL instances as well, the only option is to
remove KDE from the system.
It's okay. Fedora has always been more GNOME-ish than KDE-ish,
so it's not such a big loss. I'm not using KDE as my default
desktop environment, but I liked some KDE apps. Will search for
alternatives.
Don't worry ... Andreas
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Andreas M. Kirchwitz < amk@...> wrote:
> Mark Haney < mhaney@...> wrote:
>
> > And yes akonadi does require MySWL, but KDE 4.2 does NOT require
> > akonadi. So my point is still very valid.
>
> In Fedora 10, akonadi cannot be un-installed without removing KDE.
> And KDE cannot be updated to version 4.2 without updating akonadi
> as well. In the end, KDE 4.2 requires MySQL (server) to be installed.
>
> Yes, you may run KDE without akonadi, and akonadi may use remote
> databases, but Fedora 10 insists on installing MySQL server packages
> if you want to have KDE 4.2. And by default, akonadi uses a local
> MySQL instance. That's weird for a desktop workstation, and it's the
> wrong way to use a database like MySQL. Are all KDE core developers
> aware of this new dependency, and are they all happy about it?
>
> However, I accept the fact that KDE 4.2 now depends on MySQL, and
> installing a different Linux distribution after all these years
> won't help because sooner or later all other Linux distributions
> will have the same dependencies which come from akonadi (and
> without akonadi, you cannot install KDE). So, until GNOME people
> start their local MySQL instances as well, the only option is to
> remove KDE from the system.
>
> It's okay. Fedora has always been more GNOME-ish than KDE-ish,
> so it's not such a big loss. I'm not using KDE as my default
> desktop environment, but I liked some KDE apps. Will search for
> alternatives.
>
> Don't worry ... Andreas
By your comment one would think that installing mysql-server brings
some great evil with it.
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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 21:35 +0000, Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
> Well if I am not mistaken Kabc is using it, I am not sure if it is
> set to use
> Kabc initially as default, Rex, Kevin? but I use it (for testing
> purposes)
> with Kabc:
>
> 2560 /usr/bin/akonadi_control
> 2562 akonadiserver
> 2569 /usr/libexec/mysqld --defaults-
> file=/home/g6avk/.local/share/akonadi//mysql.conf --
> datadir=/home/g6avk/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ --
> socket=/home/g6avk/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket
> 2622 /usr/bin/akonadi_mailthreader_agent --identifier
> akonadi_mailthreader_agent
> 2623 /usr/bin/akonadi_vcard_resource --identifier
> akonadi_vcard_resource_2
>
> Works well an not resource hungry. If you don't want/need to use it
> disable it
> in systems settings.
I've never heard of Kabc and have no idea what it is. There's no file
with that name installed anywhere on my system (I checked).
I'd still like to know why I'm running akonadi.
poc
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