KDE Handboek

[Wendy Van Craen-3]

Hi,


At Fosdem we had some really awesome How-to-brochures for users, called "KDE handbook". 

It would be great if we could also have those at CeBit.    We only had about 100 pieces (estimation) at Fosdem.  Was that all that was printed?  Or were there more?

If I could get the pdf-file, I could have them reprinted for about 1.40 EUR for 1000 pieces.  But I heard they were printed in Asia somewhere?  Which should be less expensive.

Is there also a Business-leaflet available to hand out? (Since CeBit is more Business tot Business related than Business to consumer...)

Thank you for your help on this!


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[Claudia Rauch-2]

Hi Wendy,

2009/2/10 Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>:
> At Fosdem we had some really awesome How-to-brochures for users, called "KDE
> handbook".

The booklets were made by the Indian KDE people for FOSS.in. Ade
brought the box along with him.

> It would be great if we could also have those at CeBit.    We only had about
> 100 pieces (estimation) at Fosdem.  Was that all that was printed?  Or were
> there more?

No, there were a lot more printed than that. I already spoke to
Pradeepto about this. He will send me a couple of boxes. I hope we
will manage to get them here before CeBIT.


> If I could get the pdf-file, I could have them reprinted for about 1.40 EUR
> for 1000 pieces.  But I heard they were printed in Asia somewhere?  Which
> should be less expensive.

We have to sort this out. Actually, we were also talking at FOSDEM
about this. A booklet like this has to be updated quite frequently, so
we need a print-on-demand-service and some people who actuallly take
care of updating :).

> Is there also a Business-leaflet available to hand out? (Since CeBit is more
> Business tot Business related than Business to consumer...)

Yes, I agree. That's a good idea.



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[Kurt Pfeifle]

I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on left or top edge). 

Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I will be abroad all of March.

How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?

Cheers,
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-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:29:22 +0100
Von: Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>
An: KDE Promo <kde-promo@...>, kde-events@..., kde-ev-marketing@...
Betreff: [kde-promo] KDE Handboek

Hi,


At Fosdem we had some really awesome How-to-brochures for users, called "KDE handbook". 

It would be great if we could also have those at CeBit.    We only had about 100 pieces (estimation) at Fosdem.  Was that all that was printed?  Or were there more?

If I could get the pdf-file, I could have them reprinted for about 1.40 EUR for 1000 pieces.  But I heard they were printed in Asia somewhere?  Which should be less expensive.

Is there also a Business-leaflet available to hand out? (Since CeBit is more Business tot Business related than Business to consumer...)

Thank you for your help on this!


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[Alexander Neundorf]

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on left or
> top edge). 
>
> Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I will be
> abroad all of March.
>
> How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?

It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.

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On Tuesday 10 February 2009 14:39:29 Claudia Rauch wrote:
> We have to sort this out. Actually, we were also talking at FOSDEM
> about this. A booklet like this has to be updated quite frequently, so
> we need a print-on-demand-service and some people who actuallly take
> care of updating :).

I quickly flipped through the handbook when I was at the FOSDEM stand.

It mentioned the current and the future release version of KDE. These were
already out-of-date. (Not difficult when we have a release almost every
month.) If we just remove this piece of information then the handbook becomes
a lot more time independent.
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2009/2/10 Alexander Neundorf <neundorf@...>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on left or
> top edge). 
>
> Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I will be
> abroad all of March.
>
> How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?

It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.

 

In proper printing terminology that would be 148x210mm and 24+4 pages, stapled

;-)

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[Jos Poortvliet-4]

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Andy Goossens <andygoossens@...> wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 February 2009 14:39:29 Claudia Rauch wrote:
>> We have to sort this out. Actually, we were also talking at FOSDEM
>> about this. A booklet like this has to be updated quite frequently, so
>> we need a print-on-demand-service and some people who actuallly take
>> care of updating :).
>
> I quickly flipped through the handbook when I was at the FOSDEM stand.
>
> It mentioned the current and the future release version of KDE. These were
> already out-of-date. (Not difficult when we have a release almost every
> month.) If we just remove this piece of information then the handbook becomes
> a lot more time independent.

Yes, we'd love to have the sources. We can update it a bit and
probably put it online as well. Pradeepto, do you happen to know if
the sources of this beautiful piece of work are available somewhere?

grtz

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Am Dienstag 10 Februar 2009 14:29:22 schrieb Wendy Van Craen:
> If I could get the pdf-file, I could have them reprinted for about 1.40 EUR
> for 1000 pieces.  But I heard they were printed in Asia somewhere?  Which
> should be less expensive.

Do you mean 1.40 € per piece?

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[Wendy Van Craen-3]

Yes 1.40 EUR per piece.  But this is a professional print.  Like I said, it might be too expensive, I can always ask prices for cheaper prints.  But this means that they will look a little less professional and for a faire like CeBit professionality might be important...

The problem is, if you only have 1000 pieces to print costs are higher.  The quality where I am talking about is comparable with Make-magazine.

2009/2/11 Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@...>

Am Dienstag 10 Februar 2009 14:29:22 schrieb Wendy Van Craen:

> If I could get the pdf-file, I could have them reprinted for about 1.40 EUR
> for 1000 pieces.  But I heard they were printed in Asia somewhere?  Which
> should be less expensive.

Do you mean 1.40 € per piece?

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[Kurt Pfeifle]

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:36 +0100
Von: Alexander Neundorf <neundorf@...>
An: kde-promo@...
CC: kde-events@..., kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>, kde-ev-marketing@...
Betreff: Re: [kde-promo] KDE Handboek

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on left or
> top edge). 
>
> Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I will be
> abroad all of March.
>
> How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?

It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.

OK, so a "booklet, center-folded, saddle-stitched" would be the appropriate format.

Is it color or black+white?

How many would you  need?

Cheers,
Kurt

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[Kurt Pfeifle]

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:09:21 +0100
Von: Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>
An: kde-ev-marketing@..., neundorf@...
CC: kde-promo@..., kde-events@..., kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>
Betreff: Re: [kde-ev-marketing] [kde-promo] KDE Handboek

2009/2/10 Alexander Neundorf <neundorf@...>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on left or
> top edge). 
>
> Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I will be
> abroad all of March.
>
> How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?

It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.

 

In proper printing terminology that would be 148x210mm and 24+4 pages, stapled

;-)

Then I do not understand the "proper printing terminology". I can figure 148x210mm is A5, but I would not get what the "24+4 pages" means.

However, Alex' info was comprehensible for me.  :-)

Cheers,
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Andy Goossens <andygoossens@...> wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 February 2009 14:39:29 Claudia Rauch wrote:
>> We have to sort this out. Actually, we were also talking at FOSDEM
>> about this. A booklet like this has to be updated quite frequently, so
>> we need a print-on-demand-service and some people who actuallly take
>> care of updating :).
>
> I quickly flipped through the handbook when I was at the FOSDEM stand.
>
> It mentioned the current and the future release version of KDE. These were
> already out-of-date. (Not difficult when we have a release almost every
> month.) If we just remove this piece of information then the handbook becomes
> a lot more time independent.
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Wendy proposed to put info about new KDE versions in a separate
leaflet that can be inserted (or wrapped around) the printed handbook.
This way we can have many copies of the handbook printed but still be
able to supply info about the newest KDE release. Those leaflets can
be printed on demand and handbook packages can be prepared by the
event staffers.

I think we can get away with one updated reprint of the handbook per
year or even 2 years further on. Printing the leaflet should be pretty
cheap if it is only one folded A4.

Promo & Marketing: what do you think?

Bart
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2009/2/11 kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:09:21 +0100

Von: Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>

An: kde-ev-marketing@..., neundorf@...
CC: kde-promo@..., kde-events@..., kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>
Betreff: Re: [kde-ev-marketing] [kde-promo] KDE Handboek

2009/2/10 Alexander Neundorf <neundorf@...>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on left or
> top edge). 
>
> Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I will be
> abroad all of March.
>
> How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?

It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.

 

In proper printing terminology that would be 148x210mm and 24+4 pages, stapled

24+4 means 24 pages + 4 pages for the cover / recto/verso printing :-)

;-)

Then I do not understand the "proper printing terminology". I can figure 148x210mm is A5, but I would not get what the "24+4 pages" means.

However, Alex' info was comprehensible for me.  :-)

Cheers,
Kurt

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2009/2/11 kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:36 +0100
Von: Alexander Neundorf <neundorf@...>
An: kde-promo@...
CC: kde-events@..., kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>, kde-ev-marketing@...
Betreff: Re: [kde-promo] KDE Handboek

On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on left or
> top edge). 
>
> Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I will be
> abroad all of March.
>
> How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?

It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.

OK, so a "booklet, center-folded, saddle-stitched" would be the appropriate format.

Is it color or black+white?

It is in color.  Can I ask which printing technology you use to print these brochures?

How many would you  need?

Cheers,
Kurt

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[Alexander Neundorf]

On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Wendy Van Craen wrote:
> Yes 1.40 EUR per piece.  But this is a professional print.  Like I said, it
> might be too expensive, I can always ask prices for cheaper prints.  But
> this means that they will look a little less professional and for a faire
> like CeBit professionality might be important...

Yes. Maybe we shouldn't put these simply on the table so everybody who's
walking by takes one but hand them out to visitors instead ?

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[Kurt Pfeifle]

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:25:25 +0100
> Von: Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>
> An: KDE Promo <kde-promo@...>
> CC: kde-events@..., kde-ev-marketing@...
> Betreff: Re: [kde-promo] KDE Handboek

> 2009/2/11 kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>
>
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:36 +0100
> > Von: Alexander Neundorf <neundorf@...>
> > An: kde-promo@...
> > CC: kde-events@..., kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>,
> > kde-ev-marketing@...
> > Betreff: Re: [kde-promo] KDE Handboek
> >
> > On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> > > I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> > > (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on
> left
> > or
> > > top edge).
> > >
> > > Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I
> will
> > be
> > > abroad all of March.
> > >
> > > How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?
> >
> > It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.
> >
> >
> > OK, so a "booklet, center-folded, saddle-stitched" would be the
> > appropriate format.
> >
> > Is it color or black+white?
> >
>
> It is in color.  Can I ask which printing technology you use to print
> these  brochures?

Laser printing.

For color it would be one of the best print quality machines
on the market (Ineo+ 6501, doing 65 ppm on A4).

For b+w it would be one of the best quality machines on the
market (Digimaster 150 EX, doing 150 ppm on A4).

I still do not know how many you'd need.

Cheers,
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2009/2/12 kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:25:25 +0100

> Von: Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>

> An: KDE Promo <kde-promo@...>
> CC: kde-events@..., kde-ev-marketing@...

> Betreff: Re: [kde-promo] KDE Handboek

> 2009/2/11 kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>
>
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:36 +0100
> > Von: Alexander Neundorf <neundorf@...>
> > An: kde-promo@...
> > CC: kde-events@..., kurt pfeifle <k1pfeifle@...>,
> > kde-ev-marketing@...
> > Betreff: Re: [kde-promo] KDE Handboek
> >
> > On Tuesday 10 February 2009, kurt pfeifle wrote:
> > > I can print them as well -- for free. Color or black+white. Booklet
> > > (center-folded, saddle-stitched) or pamphlet (one or two staples on
> left
> > or
> > > top edge).
> > >
> > > Only thing is: I'd need the PDF before end of this month, because I
> will
> > be
> > > abroad all of March.
> > >
> > > How many pages is one of these "handbooks"?
> >
> > It's 7 A4 sheets, which gives 28 A5 pages.
> >
> >
> > OK, so a "booklet, center-folded, saddle-stitched" would be the
> > appropriate format.
> >
> > Is it color or black+white?
> >
>
> It is in color.  Can I ask which printing technology you use to print
> these  brochures?

Laser printing.

For color it would be one of the best print quality machines
on the market (Ineo+ 6501, doing 65 ppm on A4).

For b+w it would be one of the best quality machines on the
market (Digimaster 150 EX, doing 150 ppm on A4).

I still do not know how many you'd need.

Cheers,
Kurt

Hi Kurt,

It is great that you want to print the brochures for free and a laser printer is indeed the best quality on the market for home use. 

The printing techniques best for professional look and feel is digital or offset.  For a smaller faire laser printed brochures would be perfect, but for CeBit I think we might want to have something with a more professional look and feel...


So what do you think if we look for a professional printing company to have some extra of these brochures?

greetz
Wendy

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[Riccardo Iaconelli-3]

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 14:39:29 Claudia Rauch wrote:

> 2009/2/10 Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>:
> > At Fosdem we had some really awesome How-to-brochures for users, called
> > "KDE handbook".
>
> The booklets were made by the Indian KDE people for FOSS.in. Ade
> brought the box along with him.
>
> > It would be great if we could also have those at CeBit.    We only had
> > about 100 pieces (estimation) at Fosdem.  Was that all that was printed?
> >  Or were there more?
>
> No, there were a lot more printed than that. I already spoke to
> Pradeepto about this. He will send me a couple of boxes. I hope we
> will manage to get them here before CeBIT.

If they're the same that we saw over at Tokamak, I think we can put some work on
refining the text and/or the artwork. The text in some point was looking quite
outdated (merely copied from KDE 4 pillars' websites) and not very professional.
At least I remember the part about Oxygen which was a bit... well... not very
great. That would mean people to work on texts though, not sure if I can help in
that.

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[Wendy Van Craen-3]

If someone puts the master version online on a server somewhere, I can have a look at the teksts...  But I not alknowing so might need some help in this...

I would group the general KDE-knowledge in the "KDE handbook" (things that stay representative for years) and make seperate leaflets with new "inventions".  This way we can have a large amount of the "Handbook" printed and make the smaller leaflets "print on demand".

If there isn't a master version, than we seriously have to start working on a totaly new version...

greetz
Wendy

2009/2/12 Riccardo Iaconelli <riccardo@...>

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 14:39:29 Claudia Rauch wrote:

> 2009/2/10 Wendy Van Craen <wendy.vancraen@...>:
> > At Fosdem we had some really awesome How-to-brochures for users, called
> > "KDE handbook".
>
> The booklets were made by the Indian KDE people for FOSS.in. Ade
> brought the box along with him.
>
> > It would be great if we could also have those at CeBit.    We only had
> > about 100 pieces (estimation) at Fosdem.  Was that all that was printed?
> >  Or were there more?
>
> No, there were a lot more printed than that. I already spoke to
> Pradeepto about this. He will send me a couple of boxes. I hope we
> will manage to get them here before CeBIT.

If they're the same that we saw over at Tokamak, I think we can put some work on
refining the text and/or the artwork. The text in some point was looking quite
outdated (merely copied from KDE 4 pillars' websites) and not very professional.
At least I remember the part about Oxygen which was a bit... well... not very
great. That would mean people to work on texts though, not sure if I can help in
that.

Bye,
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[Pradeepto Bhattacharya]

Hi,

( thanks Jos for pointing the thread to me, I am on the promo and
event lists anyway.  )

Sorry for the delay in replying, I was travelling around the time when
this thread got started. And Real Life kept me busy for even longer. I
saw this thread just now. Actually, I decided to attend a FOSS event
in a neighbouring city yesterday night, and they even accepted my KDE
talk, which I will give in a 30 minutes from now. So I will keep the
mail short now, will come back to it later in the evening.

So, yes the KDE booklet was done by a team of volunteers in India just
before FOSS.IN/2008. We had less than few weeks to put it all
together, including finding a sponsor to get it printed. ( Yes, I
know, I could have asked eV, but getting that kind money here means
somebody would be have to do a lot of TAX math. ) So finding a local
sponsor was the best, and whats better than a old time KDE contributor
coming forward to help us with it.

- yes, some of the material including text and images is dated now. It
was quite recent when it was printed.

- yes, material was "merely" copied from techbase/userbase/pillars
website, and the credits have been given to those.

- we had a very less time window to get it done, and if you have ever
done a 28 page booklet, you will know that it takes time to get
everything done - from conception time to final printing and
transportation ( Ask Adriaan about this ;) . So there was NO time to
contact developers to ask for "most" recent information and then wait
on them for the information then arrange it, then send it to layout
designer and so on. I wanted it done before FOSS.IN/2008, KDE Project
Day.

- I completely agree that including the version release information
and dates was a mistake. But we learn from mistakes.

- I will go back home on Sunday, will contact the printer who did
printing for us. Hopefully he still has the pdf/cdr files. If I get
those, I will upload those and inform the list.

- I have a lot of booklets left, I am passing/sending those around
here in India. I just carried 8 KGs of those to this event ;).
Thankfully, February is a month of events here in India. So I will
make sure the booklets are distributed at most of the events if not
all the events.

- I have spoken to Claudia about this and as she pointed out  ( thanks
Claudia ), we are working on it. I can send 1 or 2 boxes ( each has 50
booklets or so and weighs 2KGs ).

- As Bart suggested, one solution is to get a extra sheet printed with
the release/version info and tuck it along with the booklet.

Hope that helps.

Cheers!

Pradeepto
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