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KDE Support in Debian
Hi,
I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
well supported?
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
On Martes 10 Noviembre 2009 10:28:04 Scott escribió:
> Hi,
>
> I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
> Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
> use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
> how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
> because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
> simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
>
> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> well supported?
>
Is better than Gnome :)
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Scott wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
> Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
> use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
> how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
> because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
> simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
>
> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> well supported?
>
Hi Scott,
I share your feelings regarding Kubuntu, I use kde4 on Debian Squeeze
(current Testing) on my two home machines (one laptop and one desktop).
kde4 is well integrated in Debian, it feels like a first class citizen
and not a second choice. I feel like Debian as been careful in the way
it has put kde4 together, resulting in a very usable, and lately pretty
stable desktop (version 4.3.2 here).
I believe Lenny (stable) is coming with "old" kde 3.5.10, but there's a
possibility to use kde4 backported packages. For me Squeeze is working
fine, you have to be willing to file a few bug reports once in a while,
but on the laptop I tried Kubuntu (jaunty and early karmic), and Debian
Squeeze is MUCH more stable and usable.
About documentation, there is this list ;-) and the Debian kde team
website http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ , and most of the doc floating
around the web is relevant for general handling of kde4.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
* Scott < sclewin@...> [2009 Nov 10 07:31 -0600]:
> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> well supported?
It seems as well supported as any other package. While there is a need
for limited Debian support, most of the support (documentation, forums,
etc.) come from upstream KDE resources. Note also that if you install
Debian Stable you will be installing KDE 3.5.9 which the upstream KDE
project considers deprecated. Fortunately it is very stable.
- Nate >>
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Hi Scott,
On Tuesday, 2009-11-10, Scott wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
> Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
> use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
> how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
> because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
> simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
>
> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian?
I can't judge the documentation since I didn't have any need for it yet, but
the packages are usually very stable (I'd actually go as far as saying
extraordinarily good :))
> I
> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> well supported?
I don't think there is a default desktop in Debian. All variants, including
non desktop environment graphical system (e.g. advanced windowmanager only)
have the same level of integration, i.e. interaction with system features is
based on whatever the graphical upstream delivers.
For convenience there are several specialized install media which contain all
important packages for common choices, e.g. a GNOME install disk, a KDE
install disk and so on, as well as "basic" media like the Net install disk.
I am usually using the latter (netinst) since I would have to update after
installation anyway :)
Cheers,
Kevin
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
On Tuesday 10 Nov 2009 13:50:04 tv.debian@... wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu
> > to Debian. Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu.
> > The reason why I use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With
> > KDE) is that I don't like how it is more difficult to find help
> > specific to Kubuntu and also because Kubuntu is simply not as
> > well put together as Ubuntu. There is simply much more
> > development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
> I share your feelings regarding Kubuntu, I use kde4 on Debian
> Squeeze (current Testing) on my two home machines (one laptop and
> one desktop). kde4 is well integrated in Debian, it feels like a
> first class citizen and not a second choice. I feel like Debian as
> been careful in the way it has put kde4 together, resulting in a
> very usable, and lately pretty stable desktop (version 4.3.2
> here).
I'm running Squeeze on my own workstation with KDE 4.3.2 with Nividia
drivers. Works for me. I don't know how stable or unstable it's
supposed to be but it's good here. AMD64. Samsung flat screen 19"
monitor. My other workstation is Ubuntu Manic Koala.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Am Dienstag 10 November 2009 14:28:04 schrieb Scott:
> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> well supported?
>
There are some things to argue about, like the missing network-manager applet
or integration of non-kde applications like iceweasel, eclipse, etc. but that
is not the fault of the debian project nor KDE, so yes: It is very well
supported.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
tv.debian@... wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
>> Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
>> use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
>> how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
>> because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
>> simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
>>
>> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
>> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
>> well supported?
>>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I share your feelings regarding Kubuntu, I use kde4 on Debian Squeeze
> (current Testing) on my two home machines (one laptop and one desktop).
> kde4 is well integrated in Debian, it feels like a first class citizen
> and not a second choice. I feel like Debian as been careful in the way
> it has put kde4 together, resulting in a very usable, and lately pretty
> stable desktop (version 4.3.2 here).
> I believe Lenny (stable) is coming with "old" kde 3.5.10, but there's a
> possibility to use kde4 backported packages. For me Squeeze is working
> fine, you have to be willing to file a few bug reports once in a while,
> but on the laptop I tried Kubuntu (jaunty and early karmic), and Debian
> Squeeze is MUCH more stable and usable.
>
> About documentation, there is this list ;-) and the Debian kde team
> website http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ , and most of the doc floating
> around the web is relevant for general handling of kde4.
>
> Have fun.
>
>
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
tv.debian@... wrote:
> I share your feelings regarding Kubuntu, I use kde4 on Debian Squeeze
> (current Testing) on my two home machines
Testing is what I am thinking about trying out as I like having newer
software and don't mind the odd problem or bug.
> For me Squeeze is working
> fine, you have to be willing to file a few bug reports once in a while,
I have no problem filing bug reports, I have already done that several
times on Ubuntu. I like adding my fair share by helping with bug testing.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Hi Scott, I have been using Debian Testing with KDE since 4 years ago (Etch testing, Lenny testing, Squeeze testing), and I have no issue about it at all. I am a happy KDE user. But once a while, some application might have bug, but it is easy to file bug report, and soon enough the application will be fixed and work as before.
If you really looking to use KDE, I would suggest that you migrate to Debian :) Thanks. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Scott <sclewin@...> wrote:
Hi,
I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
well supported?
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
On Tuesday 10 November 2009 14:28:04 Scott wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
> Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
> use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
> how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
> because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
> simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
>
> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> well supported?
I'm using KDE4 on my sid (unstable) workstation and laptop without any KDE-
related problems.
(Ofcourse, unstable being what it is, sometimes something breaks. But it adds
to the fun ;) )
Jan
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Hello,
On antradienis 10 Lapkritis 2009 16:36:08 Dominik Schulz wrote:
> Am Dienstag 10 November 2009 14:28:04 schrieb Scott:
> > My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
> > understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> > well supported?
>
> There are some things to argue about, like the missing network-manager
> applet
It is better nothing (which is arguable not true since there is something in
experimental) than a disaster snapshot which kubuntu shipped. It's not Debian
fault that upstream is not able to release.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
On 11/10/09, Scott < sclewin@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been contemplating the idea of switching from Ubuntu to Debian.
> Even though I like KDE better I use Gnome on Ubuntu. The reason why I
> use Ubuntu (With Gnome) and not Kubuntu (With KDE) is that I don't like
> how it is more difficult to find help specific to Kubuntu and also
> because Kubuntu is simply not as well put together as Ubuntu. There is
> simply much more development and documentation specific to Gnome in Ubuntu.
I have been wanting to take a look at 9.10, but being a KDE user, I
have heard rumblings on the Interwebs that Kubuntu had the type of
problems to which you are eluding to in this post.
Have you tried apt-getting kubuntu-desktop on your Ubuntu install? Or
is it the same packages that you would get using kubuntu?
> My question here is KDE well documented and stable on Debian? I
> understand that Gnome is also the default desktop for Debian, but is KDE
> well supported?
I don't know what you mean by well-supported. I have been running it
for about 6 years, supporting kde3 on my family's machines and kde4 +
compiz on mine. When I have problems (which is rare), I either post
here, or I go to kde.org.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Am Dienstag, 10. November 2009 16:11:33 schrieb Scott:
> tv.debian@... wrote:
> > I share your feelings regarding Kubuntu, I use kde4 on Debian Squeeze
> > (current Testing) on my two home machines
>
> Testing is what I am thinking about trying out as I like having newer
> software and don't mind the odd problem or bug.
you could also have a look at sidux on http://sidux.comWe use unstable as our base repo and our main desktop environment is KDE4
greetz
ferdi
> > For me Squeeze is working
> > fine, you have to be willing to file a few bug reports once in a while,
>
> I have no problem filing bug reports, I have already done that several
> times on Ubuntu. I like adding my fair share by helping with bug testing.
>
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
On 2009-11-10, Ferdinand Thommes < devil@...> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 10. November 2009 16:11:33 schrieb Scott:
>> tv.debian@... wrote:
>> > I share your feelings regarding Kubuntu, I use kde4 on Debian Squeeze
>> > (current Testing) on my two home machines
>>
>> Testing is what I am thinking about trying out as I like having newer
>> software and don't mind the odd problem or bug.
>
> you could also have a look at sidux on http://sidux.com> We use unstable as our base repo and our main desktop environment is KDE4
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Please don't use debian user support channels to try to hijack users to
your project.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Am Dienstag, 10. November 2009 17:13:51 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
> On 2009-11-10, Ferdinand Thommes < devil@...> wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 10. November 2009 16:11:33 schrieb Scott:
> >> tv.debian@... wrote:
> >> > I share your feelings regarding Kubuntu, I use kde4 on Debian Squeeze
> >> > (current Testing) on my two home machines
> >>
> >> Testing is what I am thinking about trying out as I like having newer
> >> software and don't mind the odd problem or bug.
> >
> > you could also have a look at sidux on http://sidux.com> > We use unstable as our base repo and our main desktop environment is
> > KDE4
>
> Please don't use debian user support channels to try to hijack users to
> your project.
not hijacking, me.
in the end its much closer to debian than what the threadstarter uses now.
greetz
ferdi
> /Sune
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
I tried looking for a KDE Testing CD for i386 and I could not find any.
Actually, I can not find any i386 Testing CD's or DVD's on debian.org.
Haves testing drop 32bit support?
I tried a net install downloaded using Unetbootin, but there was no
option to install KDE. I could only select desktop which would install
Gnome. Should I install the standard system only then install KDE using
Apt-get?
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Hello
Le mardi 10 novembre 2009 17:58:19, Scott a écrit :
> I tried looking for a KDE Testing CD for i386 and I could not find any.
> Actually, I can not find any i386 Testing CD's or DVD's on debian.org.
> Haves testing drop 32bit support?
testing is not dropping i386 support at all, but weekly testing snapshot CDs
are not always on sync. The recommended way to install testing is using the
netinstall CD :
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
> I tried a net install downloaded using Unetbootin, but there was no
> option to install KDE. I could only select desktop which would install
> Gnome. Should I install the standard system only then install KDE using
> Apt-get?
Unfortunately, debian-installer installs GNOME by default and doesn't offer an
easy way to install KDE. If you are comfortable with apt-get, you should
install the base system without a graphical environment, then `apt-get install
xorg kde4-full` to install KDE and Xorg.
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
My installation step is like this: 1. Download stable netinstall CD 2. Install stable using netinstall as minimal possible 3. Change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing 4. Aptitude update 5. Aptitude full-upgrade
6. Aptitude install kde-minimal On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Scott <sclewin@...> wrote:
I tried looking for a KDE Testing CD for i386 and I could not find any. Actually, I can not find any i386 Testing CD's or DVD's on debian.org. Haves testing drop 32bit support?
I tried a net install downloaded using Unetbootin, but there was no option to install KDE. I could only select desktop which would install Gnome. Should I install the standard system only then install KDE using Apt-get?
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Re: KDE Support in Debian
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
> 1. Download stable netinstall CD
> 2. Install stable using netinstall as minimal possible
> 3. Change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing
> 4. Aptitude update
> 5. Aptitude full-upgrade
> 6. Aptitude install kde-minimal
I will give this way a try. I tried the link Xavier gave in the
previous post and I just got a "404 File not found" error.
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