KDE style intergration

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Hello,

KDE 4.3 looks great. I really admire the work of the programmers, designers,

artists, translators and all the others who have made KDE grow so much in a

few years.

I have a few ideas to make KDE (my friends an my opinion) a little more

beautiful. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer (although I want to learn C++,

but I don't know where to begin, so I have only made a few quick examples

(images). Watch them at http://www.seventho.nl/images/

All plasma widgets are using the theme you have chosen (eg Oxygen or Air etc.).

The plasma desktop looks beautiful.

If you're going to open a program, for example Konqueror or Dolphin, you can

see that the background of the window is gray. (or other colors if you

customized the colors.)

I'll show you the big difference between dolphin with air style and dolphin

with a gray background.(click here). Every program looks

better with the air style background (openoffice, konqueror, right-click menu

etc.)

For further information about this idea, please answer the mail.

Sven

PS> Sorry my English isn't perfect. (I'm Dutch.)

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A Segunda, 12 de Outubro de 2009 20:06:04 Sven Brettschneider você escreveu:

> Hello,
>
> KDE 4.3 looks great. I really admire the work of the programmers,
>  designers, artists, translators and all the others who have made KDE grow
>  so much in a few years.
>
> I have a few ideas  to make KDE (my friends an my opinion) a little more
> beautiful. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer (although I want to learn
>  C++, but I don't know where to begin, so I have only made a few quick
>  examples (images). Watch them at http://www.seventho.nl/images/
>
> All plasma widgets are using the theme you have chosen (eg Oxygen or Air
> etc.).
> The plasma desktop looks beautiful.
> If you're going to open a program, for example Konqueror or Dolphin, you
>  can see that the background of the window is gray. (or other colors if you
>  customized the colors.)
> I'll show you the big difference between dolphin with air style and dolphin
> with a gray background.(click here). Every program looks
> better with the air style background (openoffice, konqueror, right-click
>  menu etc.)
>
> For further information about this idea, please answer the mail.
>
> Sven
>
> PS> Sorry my English isn't perfect. (I'm Dutch.)
>

cant say it looks bad but the way styles work in qt make it realy hard to make
that work. its  a nice idea...

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[James Tyrer]

Sven Brettschneider wrote:

> Hello,
>
> KDE 4.3 looks great. I really admire the work of the programmers,
> designers,
>
> artists, translators and all the others who have made KDE grow so much in a
>
> few years.
>
> I have a few ideas to make KDE (my friends an my opinion) a little more
>
> beautiful. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer (although I want to learn
> C++,
>
> but I don't know where to begin, so I have only made a few quick examples
>
> (images). Watch them at http://www.seventho.nl/images/
>
> All plasma widgets are using the theme you have chosen (eg Oxygen or Air
> etc.).
>
> The plasma desktop looks beautiful.
>
> If you're going to open a program, for example Konqueror or Dolphin, you
> can
>
> see that the background of the window is gray. (or other colors if you
>
> customized the colors.)
>
> I'll show you the big difference between dolphin with air style and dolphin
>
> with a gray background.(click here <http://www.seventho.nl/images/>).
> Every program looks
>
> better with the air style background (openoffice, konqueror, right-click
> menu
>
> etc.)
>

I have to agree with you although I would say that it could work either
way.  The point is that a KDE-4 desktop has three different styles:

        Application

        Window Frame

        Plasma (DeskTop)

This is not really new in KDE-4 except that the DeskTop didn't have a
very apparent style.

This is not a good thing.  The only way to make the three styles match
is to make a set of matching styles.  This was done in KDE-3 for the
Application and Window Frame styles.

I have to say that my complaint is different.  I do not like seeing
dialogs pop up with the Plasma style while I have an application open
and the styles don't match at all.

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A Terça, 13 de Outubro de 2009 00:46:38 James Tyrer você escreveu:

> Sven Brettschneider wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > KDE 4.3 looks great. I really admire the work of the programmers,
> > designers,
> >
> > artists, translators and all the others who have made KDE grow so much in
> > a
> >
> > few years.
> >
> > I have a few ideas to make KDE (my friends an my opinion) a little more
> >
> > beautiful. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer (although I want to learn
> > C++,
> >
> > but I don't know where to begin, so I have only made a few quick examples
> >
> > (images). Watch them at http://www.seventho.nl/images/
> >
> > All plasma widgets are using the theme you have chosen (eg Oxygen or Air
> > etc.).
> >
> > The plasma desktop looks beautiful.
> >
> > If you're going to open a program, for example Konqueror or Dolphin, you
> > can
> >
> > see that the background of the window is gray. (or other colors if you
> >
> > customized the colors.)
> >
> > I'll show you the big difference between dolphin with air style and
> > dolphin
> >
> > with a gray background.(click here <http://www.seventho.nl/images/>).
> > Every program looks
> >
> > better with the air style background (openoffice, konqueror, right-click
> > menu
> >
> > etc.)
>
> I have to agree with you although I would say that it could work either
> way.  The point is that a KDE-4 desktop has three different styles:
>
> Application
>
> Window Frame
>
> Plasma (DeskTop)
>
> This is not really new in KDE-4 except that the DeskTop didn't have a
> very apparent style.
>
> This is not a good thing.  The only way to make the three styles match
> is to make a set of matching styles.  This was done in KDE-3 for the
> Application and Window Frame styles.
>
> I have to say that my complaint is different.  I do not like seeing
> dialogs pop up with the Plasma style while I have an application open
> and the styles don't match at all.
>

some of the reasoning for the difference, in the first place what you can do
is plasma is not what you can do in qtstyle, they are very difrent in nature.


also the way they are meant to be used is very very different wille plasmoids
are things of occasional use the qt apps are to be used possibly for several
hours. (you would not do a word processor in plasma would you? on the other
end a litle internet tictactoe game might be more interesting in plasma than
in a regular window)

I gess that if we wanted plasma to look like the qt apps we would not need
plasma would we?

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On October 12, 2009, Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> some of the reasoning for the difference, in the first place what you can
>  do is plasma is not what you can do in qtstyle, they are very difrent in
>  nature.

the visual distinction is a purposeful thing indeed and involves more than
just the specifics of the air theme. it draws a clear distinction between the
things that are "part of the system" (desktop shell and window management,
power and network management) and things that are "mine" (applications i
launch, documents i view/edit, etc)

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[James Tyrer]

Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

> On October 12, 2009, Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
>> some of the reasoning for the difference, in the first place what you can
>>  do is plasma is not what you can do in qtstyle, they are very difrent in
>>  nature.
>
> the visual distinction is a purposeful thing indeed and involves more than
> just the specifics of the air theme. it draws a clear distinction between the
> things that are "part of the system" (desktop shell and window management,
> power and network management) and things that are "mine" (applications i
> launch, documents i view/edit, etc)
>

Yes, I agree with that.  However, the original poster wanted the themes
to match.

I guess that I would just like a less "artsy" desktop theme.  My
suggestion is really that we should have some sets of the three themes
which match.

OTOH, I have looked into my original issue some more, and it appears
that what I specifically don't like is only one thing and it appears to
be a simple design issue.  It appears that the dialogs associated with
the icons in the SystemTray should use the Application theme.  This is
(AFAIK) true except for "Notifications and jobs" which uses the Plasma
(DeskTop) theme.

This looks out of place when notifications popup windows appear as the
result of something which you did in an application window.  These popup
windows should use the appropriate style.  I suppose that that might
mean that a style would need to be selected based on whether the
notification or job was related to an application or the DeskTop.

OTOH, when you do a "job" in a folder view window, the popup window is
the Application style which also doesn't match:

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrerj/kde/KDE-4/snapshot002.png

Note that the issue with the screen shot is that there are two popup
windows and they don't use the same style.

This seems to be rather problematic.  So, perhaps this needs some thought.

In the meantime, I would suggest that the popup windows for
"Notifications and jobs" use the Application style.

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