tag:old.nabble.com,2006:forum-4152Nabble - KMyMoney2009-11-08T15:24:43ZKMyMoney is the Personal Finance Manager for KDE. It operates similar to MS-Money and Quicken, supports different account types, categorisation of expenses, QIF import/export, multiple currencies and initial online banking support. KMyMoney home is <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmymoney2/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26259174Re: Combining Securities Issue2009-11-08T15:24:43Z2009-11-08T15:24:43Zallan andersonallan wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I've had the same security in two different accounts for a while so have
<br>> two different sets of prices for the same security, covering different
<br>> timespans.
<br>>
<br>> Having been reminded of the new facility of having, I thought, the same
<br>> security in more than one account, with the creation of a new account I
<br>> have been able to add a new investment to it using by moving the
<br>> existing transactions across.
<br>>
<br>> However, I still have in the Prices list, two sets of prices for the one
<br>> security, one covering a longer time period than the other, so some are
<br>> duplicated. Where the duplication exists, I've tried deleting the first
<br>> entry and the second entry for the same date, each in turn. But, it
<br>> seems each of the two investments has kept its own set of prices, so I
<br>> can't delete from the list, but want to have a way to combine them.
<br>>
<br>> I've looked at the database, but with my limited knowledge, I can't see
<br>> how this can be done, as the kmmPrices entries are associated with the
<br>> security, rather than the symbol.
<br>>
<br>> Perhaps I'm trying to do something which just isn't possible? Perhaps
<br>> I've misunderstood what is possible? I was assuming I could use the
<br>> same security in two different accounts, when all I can do is use the
<br>> same symbol, when even then it seems like I really have two symbols
<br>> which happen to have only the same name, but different qualities?
<br>>
<br>> Signed a confused allan
<br>>
<br>>
</div>Following to my own post.
<br><br>I think all the above can be ignored.
<br><br>What I think I proved was that it is possible to have the same security
<br>in different accounts, but not starting from where I was. An security
<br>may be added to an account, sharing the features of an existing one, but
<br>I could find no way to to get two existing securities in two different
<br>accounts, and which have the same symbol, to become a single security.
<br>Each has a different identity with its own price history.
<br><br>It's not possible to export an investment account, which would have
<br>allowed me to delete it and its security then re-import transactions
<br>into a newly created one. Eventually, it turned out to be quicker to
<br>re-key all the transactions. So, finally I was able to get a single
<br>symbol and set of prices.
<br><br>Allan
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<br>include KmyMoney2 ? No!
<br><br>I managed to install Kmymoney2 on it, using some RPMS from
<br>precedent Mandriva release. To make it easy, I've putten all of them
<br>on a repository that has some other things :
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Hi Alvaro:<br>
<br>
when I open the app and it starts checking for scheduled transactions,
it may take up to 4 or 5 minutes. Otherwise, by "long time" (for
example, returning to the accounts page), it really means like 10 to 15
seconds. But that time is increasing everyday (it was really fast a
couple of weeks ago).<br>
<br>
I understand that with a file it is faster (for the moment), but I love
the possibility of working both my wife and me at the same time,
updating different accounts, from 2 different computers.<br>
<br>
Is there anyway in which I can help with this functionality? (Testing,
I'm not really into wrinting code ).<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
<br>
Juan.<br>
<br>
<br>
Alvaro Soliverez escribió:
<blockquote cite="mid:64e15f8f0911070410n65a40b40wd7fdf63cbf299d01@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Hello Juan,<br>
the database performance is behind compared to the file. <br>
How much is a long time? 1 minute? 20 seconds? 10 minutes?<br>
<br>
The database developers have been working on improving performance, but
it's obviously behind using a file, because in that case the file is
loaded into RAM and worked from there.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Alvaro<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Juan Antonio
Mariano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26248108&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jamariano@...</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hello
everybody:<br>
<br>
I am running KMyMoney 1.0.1 (KDE 3.5.10) on Ubuntu 9.04. I am using the<br>
database feature (MySQL3) and, so far, it works great. We are even using<br>
it concurrently (my wife and me), and it works fine!!!<br>
<br>
The problem I'm finding on recent times is that performance is starting<br>
to be poor. When I open the app it starts checking for scheduled<br>
transactions and it takes a very long time, not responding, checking<br>
(and entering, if applicable) those transactions (and I have in total<br>
less than 20 monthly schedules, not a big deal).<br>
<br>
The same applies to reconciling accounts, and now even when I try to go<br>
to back to the Accounts main page from any other part, it starts to take<br>
some time (maybe like 15 or 20 seconds) to show me that page.<br>
<br>
By the way, I have just moved from Windows + MS Money, so I'm still new<br>
to Linux, and far from being an expert. Very, very, very far :):):).<br>
<br>
Any ideas on where should I start looking?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
<br>
Juan.<br>
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<br>Regards,<br>Alvaro<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Juan Antonio Mariano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26244198&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jamariano@...</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello everybody:<br>
<br>
I am running KMyMoney 1.0.1 (KDE 3.5.10) on Ubuntu 9.04. I am using the<br>
database feature (MySQL3) and, so far, it works great. We are even using<br>
it concurrently (my wife and me), and it works fine!!!<br>
<br>
The problem I'm finding on recent times is that performance is starting<br>
to be poor. When I open the app it starts checking for scheduled<br>
transactions and it takes a very long time, not responding, checking<br>
(and entering, if applicable) those transactions (and I have in total<br>
less than 20 monthly schedules, not a big deal).<br>
<br>
The same applies to reconciling accounts, and now even when I try to go<br>
to back to the Accounts main page from any other part, it starts to take<br>
some time (maybe like 15 or 20 seconds) to show me that page.<br>
<br>
By the way, I have just moved from Windows + MS Money, so I'm still new<br>
to Linux, and far from being an expert. Very, very, very far :):):).<br>
<br>
Any ideas on where should I start looking?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
<br>
Juan.<br>
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<br><br>I am running KMyMoney 1.0.1 (KDE 3.5.10) on Ubuntu 9.04. I am using the
<br>database feature (MySQL3) and, so far, it works great. We are even using
<br>it concurrently (my wife and me), and it works fine!!!
<br><br>The problem I'm finding on recent times is that performance is starting
<br>to be poor. When I open the app it starts checking for scheduled
<br>transactions and it takes a very long time, not responding, checking
<br>(and entering, if applicable) those transactions (and I have in total
<br>less than 20 monthly schedules, not a big deal).
<br><br>The same applies to reconciling accounts, and now even when I try to go
<br>to back to the Accounts main page from any other part, it starts to take
<br>some time (maybe like 15 or 20 seconds) to show me that page.
<br><br>By the way, I have just moved from Windows + MS Money, so I'm still new
<br>to Linux, and far from being an expert. Very, very, very far :):):).
<br><br>Any ideas on where should I start looking?
<br><br>Thanks in advance,
<br><br>Juan.
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<br>there is a conflict.
<br><br>After upgrading to Karmic, I noticed that new lines on the ledgers are
<br>not doing what they are checked to do, but take on the characteristics
<br>of the previous entry. Example:
<br><br>I typically--
<br><br>Click on DEPOSIT>choose an item from my dropdown list in FROM (in this
<br>case, BUSINESS 1)>DATE>AMOUNT>STATUS>ENTER
<br><br>Next I want to make a transfer, TRANSFER>choose the second bank on my
<br>dropdown TRANSFER TO>DATE>AMOUNT>STATUS>ENTER
<br><br>Now, if I go to that second step, it will have BUSINESS 1 selected for
<br>some reason and even though TRANSFER is chosen and the tab "pops out",
<br>it will deposit (because that was the last thing I had done before this
<br>entry) the amount and the TRANSFER TO will now read FROM. I fiddle with
<br>it after a few more attempts to make it work correctly. Also, during
<br>these attempts, I had even chosen NEW then stepped through my usual
<br>procedures, but this did not work. For each new line, I just repeatedly
<br>chose each of the three tabs till the other options read correctly, then
<br>finished the line entry.
<br><br><br>KMYMONEY 1.0.2 (USING KDE 3.5.10)
<br>KARMIC KOALA
<br><br>I apologize for the vagueness but didn't know how else to explain it.
<br>If there is more info that you are needing, please guide me through on
<br>how to get it, especially if it involves using the terminal. The
<br>"report bug" feature in the help dropdown did not function for me with
<br>no noticeable error thrown at me.
<br><br>Thanks in advance for your quick reply.
<br><br>Kevin
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I've noticed that the price from an investment buy transaction is not
<br>> being added to the Prices List. I was sure that was sorted out so I've
<br>> just been going through my emails. It was 4 October last:-
<br>>
<br>> "Hi Thomas
<br>>
<br>> Finally, they're here!! These are the patches I've produced to
<br>> transfer qif processing to mymoneystatementreader. They also add
<br>> category file processing, transaction matching as per
<br>> mymoneystatementreader, extraction of pricing information from buy,
<br>> sell, etc. transactions, and one or two 'features' I found along the
<br>> way.
<br>> "
<br>>
<br>> Were they not added, or pulled, or did they fall out?!!
</div><br>Ahem...
<br><br>Of course, I was working just on qif importing, and that does still work
<br>the way I thought.
<br><br>What does not seem to work, though, is adding prices from manually added
<br>transactions, which is what I was looking at. A different kettle of
<br>fish altogether!
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<br><br>I've noticed that the price from an investment buy transaction is not
<br>being added to the Prices List. I was sure that was sorted out so I've
<br>just been going through my emails. It was 4 October last:-
<br><br>"Hi Thomas
<br><br>Finally, they're here!! These are the patches I've produced to transfer
<br>qif processing to mymoneystatementreader. They also add category file
<br>processing, transaction matching as per mymoneystatementreader,
<br>extraction of pricing information from buy, sell, etc. transactions, and
<br>one or two 'features' I found along the way.
<br>"
<br><br>Were they not added, or pulled, or did they fall out?!!
<br><br>Allan
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<br>two different sets of prices for the same security, covering different
<br>timespans.
<br><br>Having been reminded of the new facility of having, I thought, the same
<br>security in more than one account, with the creation of a new account I
<br>have been able to add a new investment to it using by moving the
<br>existing transactions across.
<br><br>However, I still have in the Prices list, two sets of prices for the one
<br>security, one covering a longer time period than the other, so some are
<br>duplicated. Where the duplication exists, I've tried deleting the first
<br>entry and the second entry for the same date, each in turn. But, it
<br>seems each of the two investments has kept its own set of prices, so I
<br>can't delete from the list, but want to have a way to combine them.
<br><br>I've looked at the database, but with my limited knowledge, I can't see
<br>how this can be done, as the kmmPrices entries are associated with the
<br>security, rather than the symbol.
<br><br>Perhaps I'm trying to do something which just isn't possible? Perhaps
<br>I've misunderstood what is possible? I was assuming I could use the
<br>same security in two different accounts, when all I can do is use the
<br>same symbol, when even then it seems like I really have two symbols
<br>which happen to have only the same name, but different qualities?
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That's where we keep the feature requests, particularly now when we are mostly working on stabilizing after the 1.0.x release AND the port to KDE4.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Regards,<br>Alvaro<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:48 AM, William QUARANTA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26231048&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">william.quaranta@...</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi again,<br>
<br>
Some improvements into ledger of investments :<br>
* when selling a security, automatic completion of quantity - or maybe a box to check for "sell all shares"<br>
* list of actions with merging / fusion-absorption / exchange of securities/values<br>
Mostly efficient formula is :<br>
"X" (shares of) "1st value" exchanged for "Y" (shares of) "2nd security" with optional (1st or 2nd value) a fee or a gain in cash<br>
This last feature can be written by two or three lines with add security of 2nd, withdrawal of the 1st and dividend of one of them.<br>
<br>
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<br><br>It's a more large work but I purpose it : management of rental property.
<br><br>Even if account can be used for this, there is some special functions :
<br>* a ledger of bills/invoices
<br>* a ledger for warrant/garantee
<br>* reconciliation must support partial amount over bills and existing credits to apply to new bills
<br>* report of unpaid invoices and owed garantee
<br><br>That my last wish for now
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<br><br>Some improvements into ledger of investments :
<br>* when selling a security, automatic completion of quantity - or maybe a box to check for "sell all shares"
<br>* list of actions with merging / fusion-absorption / exchange of securities/values
<br>Mostly efficient formula is :
<br>"X" (shares of) "1st value" exchanged for "Y" (shares of) "2nd security" with optional (1st or 2nd value) a fee or a gain in cash
<br>This last feature can be written by two or three lines with add security of 2nd, withdrawal of the 1st and dividend of one of them.
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<br><br>Here again for lights improvements :
<br><br>- when creating a new file for KMM, how about a field for "default date" for all accounts with an alert message about this date is important for editing/creating transactions. I see it's a regular topic in notice/forum/bugzilla. So new account should take this "default date" and prevent some bad use.
<br><br>- in home page of KMM, access to website / getting help, should start browser defined by system
<br><br>- in panel of "institutions" or "accounts" or "category", show last view of user or automatically deploy tree (in brief a customizable view)
<br><br>- for "institutions" and "investments" views, an option for not showing values/securities with a total of 0. When you have some old account there is a lot of lines and the option for closing securities isn't very efficient for a day-to-day use.
<br>This option of not showing inused securities should affect also reports. it will win in clarity.
<br><br>- in report "Performance by account" should also calculate "performance/return of investment" for - account - and not only for securities. It misses total for account. A rentability rate by year should be impressive and a good sensor.
<br><br>- a new color in ledger in order to differentiate future transactions from others
<br><br>- function for cancelling last operation - it's useful when importing a file
<br><br>Thanks
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<br><br>Grants for your work about KMM, it's a nice software.
<br>Here I purpose some new features / minor improvements:
<br><br>- in Tools -> Securities, only two buttons : Edit / Delete.
<br>I think this place can be a real "control panel" with
<br>* new security
<br>* close - open this security
<br>* enter manual / download quote
<br>* view historic quotes on one security (maybe with a graphic)
<br>* access to a report over this security - maybe directly in proper ledger (like search function)?
<br><br>- by default, all securities may be shared between all accounts. This should prevent some misunderstood by a lot of users (?)
<br>Maybe this can be another page on security with a list of box for choosing shared accounts for this value.
<br>Of course, function for merging securities will be nice.
<br><br>- Download quotes :
<br>* how to download historical quotes ; QIF import doesn't work well but it wasn't create for - and historic quote bring more accuracy
<br>* one automatic download per day as soon as KMM is launched
<br><br>- creating new security.
<br>In second page of wizard, after symbol, name, fraction...item "currency" should :
<br>* not show securities but only currencies
<br>* support more one letter for autocompletion (like completion in category or payee)
<br>In last third page of wizard a function to search and find directly symbol of security over the web - maybe with a dialog box to confirm choice - in order to configure more easily (I know this feature is a large work to do)
<br><br>Thanks
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<br>Hi,
<br><br>In one ledger, enter a new transaction with split fonction, validate it.
<br>Then edit/modify this new transaction and erase all data in box of split
<br>fonction. If you define the single category into this split box, I award you
<br>that's working perfectly.
<br>But that's not this way to find this little bug. After erase all data,
<br>validate. You should have a box for three choices, because there is an amount
<br>without category. Then define single category to assign to transaction and
<br>validate transaction.
<br>You may have after this, an error on this transaction with "unassigned
<br>category".
<br><br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Message du 06/11/09 07:47
<br>> De : "Thomas Baumgart"
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<br>> Objet : [Bug 213334] delete splitted transaction - void/unassigned category
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<br>> Thomas Baumgart changed:
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<br>> unable to duplicate your problem (or I am overseeing something).
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<br><br>on Sunday 01 November 2009 Brendan Coupe wrote:
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I'm running the latest CVS version and have been using KMM for 4 years and
<br>> I have been downloading OFX directly from my bank since this feature was
<br>> first added to the CVS version a while ago. I'm running on Fedora 11, 32
<br>> bit.
<br>>
<br>> This morning when I downloaded the transactions for my credit card account
<br>> I had 15 transactions that were added to my account. The problem is that
<br>> 14 of the 15 had already been downloaded so I had 14 duplicate
<br>> transactions.
<br>>
<br>> This problem is inconsistent. I closed my KMM file without saving it and
<br>> tried to reproduce the problem. It does not happen every time. Sometimes I
<br>> get "15 processed, 1 added, 14 duplicates" (correct) and sometimes I get
<br>> "15 processed, 15 added, 0 duplicates" (wrong).
<br>>
<br>> When it adds the 14 that already exist and then I update the account again
<br>> it always finds the duplicates (i.e. I never get triplicate transactions).
<br>> When I select the two duplicate transactions the "Match" option is
<br>> disabled.
<br>>
<br>> Most of my testing has been done downloading the OFX file for just my
<br>> credit card. The few times that I download the OFX files for all of my
<br>> online accounts causes this problem every time (I only get duplicates in
<br>> my credit card account, not in any other accounts and I have not done this
<br>> enough times to be sure it really happens every time). If I start by only
<br>> updating my credit card account about half the time it sees the duplicates
<br>> and half the time it adds the duplicates. When it sees the duplicates (and
<br>> therefore does not add them) and I try to update the credit card account
<br>> again and again it eventually misses the duplicate transactions and adds
<br>> them to the account. Sometimes it happens the second time, sometimes it
<br>> takes 6 or 6 tries. Eventually I will have duplicates added to my KMM
<br>> file.
<br>>
<br>> To be clear on my last test the first 3 times worked as expected and the
<br>> 4TH try added the 14 transactions that were already in the account.
<br>>
<br>> I deleted all of the transactions for the month of October, told KMM to
<br>> only import the previous 5 days. I got 5 transactions. Saved KMM. Opened
<br>> KMM, downloaded OFX for the credit card 3 times. The third time it
<br>> duplicated the transactions.
<br>>
<br>> I have many OFX accounts and this is only affecting my credit card account.
<br>> It has the most transactions but most or all of the other accounts have
<br>> recent transactions that could be duplicated but they are not.
<br>>
<br>> We just switched back from Daylight Saving Time to standard time in the US
<br>> today. I have no idea why this would cause a problem but I hate
<br>> troubleshooting problems with partial info.
<br>>
<br>> I compile the CVS version fairly often and went back to the October 15
<br>> version. It has the same problem as today's CVS. Unfortunately I purged
<br>> older versions recently since everything seemed to be stable.
</div></div>In the meantime - and sorry for the delay: I was sick - Brandon found out,
<br>that while downloading the same statement information he receives different
<br>FITIDs for the same thing. That's bad. Here's the relevant portion from the
<br>OFX 2.1.1 spec (don't know if that is the newest one or not):
<br><br>---8<---
<br>3.2.3 Financial Institution Transaction ID <FITID>
<br>Format: A-255
<br><br>An FI (or its Service Provider) assigns an <FITID> to uniquely identify a
<br>financial transaction that can appear in an account statement. Its primary
<br>purpose is to allow a client to detect duplicate responses. Open Financial
<br>Exchange intends <FITID> for use in statement download applications, where
<br>every transaction (not just those that are client-originated or server-
<br>originated) requires a unique ID.
<br><br>An <FITID> also uniquely identifies the closing statement in <CLOSINGRS> and
<br><CCCLOSINGRS>. Again, the OFX client should detect repeated closing statements
<br>(duplicate downloads) using these identifiers.
<br><br>FITIDs must be unique within the scope of an account but need not be
<br>sequential or even increasing. Clients should be aware that FITIDs are not
<br>unique across FIs. If a client performs the same type of request within the
<br>same scope at two different FIs, clients will need to use FI + <ACCTID> +
<br><FITID> as a globally unique key in a client database. That is, the <FITID>
<br>value must be unique within the account and Financial Institution (independent
<br>of the service provider).
<br><br>Note: Although the specification allows FITIDs of up to 255 characters, client
<br>performance may significantly improve if servers use fewer characters. It is
<br>recommended that servers use 32 characters or fewer.
<br>---8<---
<br><br>So it's time to get in touch with the bank, as they violate the following
<br>(maybe they are not even aware of it):
<br><br>* FITIDs must be unique within the scope of an account
<br>* the <FITID> value must be unique within the account and Financial
<br>Institution (independent of the service provider).
<br><br>Brandon is seeing the following when download (sometimes duplicates are
<br>detected, sometimes not. That's what OK and BAD are saying):
<br><br>OK: bankid="ID 11/04/09($31.00)...."
<br>BAD: bankid="ID 11/04/2009($31.00)...."
<br><br>bankid in this case is filled with the data from the OFX field FITID with a
<br>prepended "ID ". If this field is not filled by the OFX provider, KMyMoney
<br>uses the OFX field REFNUM prepended by "REF " as a unique key if present.
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<br>Can you explain in more detail how you do this and what you observe? I am
<br>unable to duplicate your problem (or I am overseeing something).
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<div style="direction: ltr;" class="moz-signature"><font color="#000000" size="4">HI,</font><font color="#000000"><br>
</font><font color="#000000" size="4">I'm on a fully updated Arch 32b
2.6.31 kernel/ KDE 4.3.3/ Kmymoney 2 ver 1.0.2.</font><font color="#000000"><br>
</font><font color="#000000" size="4">I'm trying to move a transaction
from one Asset account to another one. Yet, when I select move to (from
right click) I get a long and <b>VERY NARROW</b> window (which
probably contains the target accounts). Because it's WAY TOO narrow, I
can't read any entry in that window, <b>nor can I expand it</b> in any
direction.</font><font color="#000000"><br>
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</font><font color="#000000" size="4">Interestingly, doing the same
from my checking account, yields a normal width target accounts window.</font><font color="#000000"><br>
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<p dir="rtl" style="margin-bottom: 0in; direction: rtl;" align="left"><font size="4"><font color="#000000">Please advise !</font></font></p>
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<div align="left"><span style="font-size: 18px;"></span>Best Regards,<span style="font-size: 18px;"><font color="#000000">,</font></span><br>
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<br> Product: kmymoney2
<br> Version: unspecified
<br> Platform: openSUSE RPMs
<br> OS/Version: Linux
<br> Status: UNCONFIRMED
<br> Severity: normal
<br> Priority: NOR
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<br><br><br>Version: 1.02.42 (using KDE 4.3.3)
<br>OS: Linux
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<br><br>When I have a splitted transaction (two or more categories assigned to one
<br>transaction) and I wipe or delete the split for one single category -
<br>transaction will stay with "void" category (unassigned) and I must enter again
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> on Thursday 05 November 2009 upscope wrote:
<br>>
<br>> [...]
<br>>
<br>> > Thanks for the responses. i will try the command line backup. I did one
<br>> > from phpMyAdmin and it appears to generate a restoreable SQL command set
<br>> > with the data also.
<br>> >
<br>> > Only unanswered part now is when I do a save to database after adding to
<br>> > the ledger, it tells me there is data to remove first. Does this mean it
<br>> > rewrite the total ledger and all the other tables each time? No way to
<br>> > Append to current data?
<br>>
<br>> The 'save to database' function is used once when transferring data from an
<br>> existing XML file to the SQL database.
<br>>
<br>> Whenever you open a database (as opposed to opening a KMY file) and change
<br>> any item, the database is updated instantaneously (that's what these
<br>> animals are good for). So even if the program crashes no changes are lost.
<br>> So there is absolutely no need to run the 'save as database' twice and in
<br>> case you do, the existing data will be overridden.
<br>>
<br>> > Is there a bug reporting system for KMyMoney or do I report any I find
<br>> > thru KDE Bugzilla?
<br>>
<br>> Officially, we use the SF tracker at
<br>> <a href="https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=4708" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=4708</a> for bugs and feature
<br>> requests, but also have a look at b.k.o. on an intermittent basis. With
<br>> the port to KDE4 and the move of the package into the KDE SVN repository
<br>> this will be the place to report bugs in the future anyway.
<br>>
<br>> > Thanks again for all responses.
<br>>
<br>> You're welcome.
<br>>
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Regards,<br>Alvaro<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM, xalba <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26221413&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">xalba@...</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thank you.<br>
<br>
I love this piece of software, I have used it for several years with very good<br>
results.<br>
<br>
Know I would like to ask you if you know how to run it in systems that have<br>
eliminate KDE3 support like Mandriva 2010 have. I don't want to migrate to<br>
other software, I'm comfortable with Kmymoney2.<br>
<br>
I know it's not fair asking you a solution to this issue because you only did<br>
your best. But if you know or come to know how to fix it please let us know.<br>
<br>
In the mine time I'm thinking of installing a Virtual machine (killing flies<br>
with a cannon).<br>
<br>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> on Thursday 05 November 2009 allan wrote:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> Thomas Baumgart wrote:
<br>>>> Hi,
<br>>>>
<br>>>> on Thursday 05 November 2009 allan wrote:
<br>>>>> aga wrote:
<br>>>>>> <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250</a><br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>> Summary: QIF Import creates numerous Unneeded Accounts
<br>>>>>> Product: kmymoney2
<br>>>>>> Version: unspecified
<br>>>>>> Platform: Compiled Sources
<br>>>>>> OS/Version: Linux
<br>>>>>> Status: UNCONFIRMED
<br>>>>>> Severity: normal
<br>>>>>> Priority: NOR
<br>>>>>> Component: general
<br>>>>>> AssignedTo: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26221397&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kmymoney2-developer@...</a>
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<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>> Version: 1.0.2-CVS (using KDE 4.3.1)
<br>>>>>> OS: Linux
<br>>>>>> Installed from: Compiled From Sources
<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>> I have imported from Quicken 2002 a file containing Accounts List,
<br>>>>>> SecurityList, and Transactions for an investment account. There is no
<br>>>>>> brokerage account in Quicken, and the file has not been modified in any
<br>>>>>> way, just imported.
<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>> The import completes successfully, but the particular account appears
<br>>>>>> five times, as follows:-
<br>>>>>> 1) Account name Type - Investment
<br>>>>>> 2) " Type - Stock
<br>>>>>> 3) Account name (Brokerage) Type - Current - empty
<br>>>>>> 4) Account name (Investment) Type - Investment - empty
<br>>>>>> 5) " Type - Stock - empty
<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>> This sort of duplication occurs every time for me.
<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>> Allan
<br>>>>> Hi Thomas
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Further information, and some thoughts.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> This time, I export only Security list and transactions, no Account
<br>>>>> list.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> On import, I get a dialog asking for an account. I create one and the
<br>>>>> import completes. Securities list shows all securities from Quicken and
<br>>>>> all prices for all securities are in the Prices list. Only the expected
<br>>>>> accounts appear, the created investment account and the imported stock
<br>>>>> account.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Finally, I export Account list and transactions.
<br>>>> I assume of a single investment account.
<br>>> Yes, sort of. The Quicken Accounts list includes *all* accounts (names,
<br>>> etc., not transactions) it knows of, but only one account may be
<br>>> exported at a time. A Securities list includes all securities and all
<br>>> their prices.
<br>>>
<br>>>>> On import, four
<br>>>>> accounts have been created - an investment account, a current
<br>>>>> account(Brokerage), an investment account(Investment) and its Stock
<br>>>>> account. The Securities and Prices lists are empty, as expected. The
<br>>>>> transactions that are in the qif file have not been imported.
<br>>>> Hmm, why did it not import the transactions?
<br>>> I think because on this run there were no !Type:Security entries. They
<br>>> are in the Accounts list. If both are imported together, all is well.
<br>>> Si, I think this is a red herring. I was trying to identify where all
<br>>> the accounts came from, so ran the two separately. I think this can
<br>>> probably be ignored.
<br>>>
<br>>>>> So, to me it appears that the Accounts list processing produces the
<br>>>>> unneeded accounts. To me, a Brokerage account should not be created
<br>>>>> automatically,but only if one is imported.
<br>>>> In general I agree. There is a limitation though in KMyMoney, that does
<br>>>> not handle some constructs used in Quicken w/o a brokerage account. Since
<br>>>> we don't know upfront, if those constructs are used or not, we simply
<br>>>> create the brokerage account to be on the safe side during the import and
<br>>>> leave it to the user to remove it if unused.
<br>>> I'm pretty sure it used to though, before the big rework. When I was
<br>>> doing all my testing before that, I'm sure this didn't happen.
<br>>
<br>> Yes, but during the big rework one of the fellow testers/users who provided me
<br>> with many details wanted to get things like dividend payments w/o a given
<br>> checking/current account to work (which makes sense) and that is why we needed
<br>> the brokerage account as a last resort (that is the Div vs. DivX record type
<br>> in QIF).
<br>>
<br>>>> The problem is, that with the current version of KMyMoney you cannot use
<br>>>> the investment account itself as current account. This is what can be
<br>>>> done in MS- Money and Quicken. Maybe (I am pretty sure) a future version
<br>>>> will support this w/o an artificial brokerage account. But I expect to
<br>>>> see larger changes to the business logic and reporting code while
<br>>>> allowing to store funds in the investment account and that is why we
<br>>>> decided not to allow it in 1.0.
<br>>>>
<br>>>>> The Securities list appears
<br>>>>> to be processed more or less correctly, needing only to have an
<br>>>>> investment account supplied. However, if the Account list has already
<br>>>>> created an investment account, then the security processing should
<br>>>>> perhaps look for an existing account,before creating a new one in
<br>>>>> addition. Similarly for its stock account. Or, create only one
<br>>>>> investment account from the Account list, and one stock account from the
<br>>>>> Securities list.
<br>>>> Something like that. I don't remember all the details of the QIF importer
<br>>>> at this point.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Maybe a future version of the QIF importer will allow to run over a whole
<br>>>> set of files in multiple rounds underneath the hood to detect all those
<br>>>> problems. OTOH, how long is QIF still around?
<br>>> Well, it seems at the moment to be the only accepted way to import and
<br>>> export across apps. Do you see KMM exporting in OFX? It's still not
<br>>> that widely supported. Will KMM import and export in csv at some stage?
<br>>> Perhaps there will be some bloat of xml?
<br>>
<br>> Unfortunately, QIF seems to be the only method. But why should we support
<br>> people leaving KMyMoney? LOL.
</div><br>But I want to re-import to KMM!
<br><br>I know, the exporter needs to be fixed at some
<br>> point. Not sure if OFX is the way to go, it certainly would get rid of a lot
<br>> of ambiguities and trouble we have with QIF. XML? Just use the KMyMoney file
<br>> directly :) No need to write an exporter for that.
<br>>
<br><br>Ah yes, but export to where? <VBG>
<br><br>allan
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<br><br>on Thursday 05 November 2009 Jaroslaw Piwowarski wrote:
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> after importing a statement from my bank written in *.ofx format all dates
<br>> are wrong one day. strange.
<br>>
<br>> For example, this fragment:
<br>>
<br>> <STMTTRN>
<br>> <TRNTYPE>ATM</TRNTYPE>
<br>> <DTPOSTED>20091017000000</DTPOSTED>
<br>> <TRNAMT>-10.00</TRNAMT>
<br>> <FITID>2009101732009290123330159390000</FITID>
<br>> <NAME>CASH HSBC OCT17</NAME>
<br>> <MEMO>TAMWORTH @12:33</MEMO>
<br>> </STMTTRN>
<br>>
<br>> after importing is visible as:
<br>> 16/10/2009 | CASH HSBC OCT17 | 10.00 | | 999999.99
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Is it a bug or do I need to configure something else?
<br>> I'd be happy to give further information if you are interested to fix this
<br>> behaviour.
</div></div>This is a problem with libofx. I have filed a bug with them [1], but until now
<br>I have no confirmation/information about what is planned to solve the issue.
<br>In case you can build libofx from source, there is a patch attached to the bug
<br>entry that should solve the problem. It works (ehm, used to work) against CVS
<br>HEAD of libofx at some point in time (maybe still does). In case you go that
<br>route, please let us know of the results.
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<br><br>after importing a statement from my bank written in *.ofx format all dates
<br>are wrong one day. strange.
<br><br>For example, this fragment:
<br><br><STMTTRN>
<br><TRNTYPE>ATM</TRNTYPE>
<br><DTPOSTED>20091017000000</DTPOSTED>
<br><TRNAMT>-10.00</TRNAMT>
<br><FITID>2009101732009290123330159390000</FITID>
<br><NAME>CASH HSBC OCT17</NAME>
<br><MEMO>TAMWORTH @12:33</MEMO>
<br></STMTTRN>
<br><br>after importing is visible as:
<br>16/10/2009 | CASH HSBC OCT17 | 10.00 | | 999999.99
<br><br><br>Is it a bug or do I need to configure something else?
<br>I'd be happy to give further information if you are interested to fix this
<br>behaviour.
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<br><br>on Thursday 05 November 2009 allan wrote:
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Thomas Baumgart wrote:
<br>> > Hi,
<br>> >
<br>> > on Thursday 05 November 2009 allan wrote:
<br>> >> aga wrote:
<br>> >>> <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250</a><br>> >>>
<br>> >>> Summary: QIF Import creates numerous Unneeded Accounts
<br>> >>> Product: kmymoney2
<br>> >>> Version: unspecified
<br>> >>> Platform: Compiled Sources
<br>> >>> OS/Version: Linux
<br>> >>> Status: UNCONFIRMED
<br>> >>> Severity: normal
<br>> >>> Priority: NOR
<br>> >>> Component: general
<br>> >>> AssignedTo: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26221024&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kmymoney2-developer@...</a>
<br>> >>> ReportedBy: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26221024&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aganderson@...</a>
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> Version: 1.0.2-CVS (using KDE 4.3.1)
<br>> >>> OS: Linux
<br>> >>> Installed from: Compiled From Sources
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> I have imported from Quicken 2002 a file containing Accounts List,
<br>> >>> SecurityList, and Transactions for an investment account. There is no
<br>> >>> brokerage account in Quicken, and the file has not been modified in any
<br>> >>> way, just imported.
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> The import completes successfully, but the particular account appears
<br>> >>> five times, as follows:-
<br>> >>> 1) Account name Type - Investment
<br>> >>> 2) " Type - Stock
<br>> >>> 3) Account name (Brokerage) Type - Current - empty
<br>> >>> 4) Account name (Investment) Type - Investment - empty
<br>> >>> 5) " Type - Stock - empty
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> This sort of duplication occurs every time for me.
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> Allan
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Hi Thomas
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Further information, and some thoughts.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> This time, I export only Security list and transactions, no Account
<br>> >> list.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> On import, I get a dialog asking for an account. I create one and the
<br>> >> import completes. Securities list shows all securities from Quicken and
<br>> >> all prices for all securities are in the Prices list. Only the expected
<br>> >> accounts appear, the created investment account and the imported stock
<br>> >> account.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Finally, I export Account list and transactions.
<br>> >
<br>> > I assume of a single investment account.
<br>>
<br>> Yes, sort of. The Quicken Accounts list includes *all* accounts (names,
<br>> etc., not transactions) it knows of, but only one account may be
<br>> exported at a time. A Securities list includes all securities and all
<br>> their prices.
<br>>
<br>> >> On import, four
<br>> >> accounts have been created - an investment account, a current
<br>> >> account(Brokerage), an investment account(Investment) and its Stock
<br>> >> account. The Securities and Prices lists are empty, as expected. The
<br>> >> transactions that are in the qif file have not been imported.
<br>> >
<br>> > Hmm, why did it not import the transactions?
<br>>
<br>> I think because on this run there were no !Type:Security entries. They
<br>> are in the Accounts list. If both are imported together, all is well.
<br>> Si, I think this is a red herring. I was trying to identify where all
<br>> the accounts came from, so ran the two separately. I think this can
<br>> probably be ignored.
<br>>
<br>> >> So, to me it appears that the Accounts list processing produces the
<br>> >> unneeded accounts. To me, a Brokerage account should not be created
<br>> >> automatically,but only if one is imported.
<br>> >
<br>> > In general I agree. There is a limitation though in KMyMoney, that does
<br>> > not handle some constructs used in Quicken w/o a brokerage account. Since
<br>> > we don't know upfront, if those constructs are used or not, we simply
<br>> > create the brokerage account to be on the safe side during the import and
<br>> > leave it to the user to remove it if unused.
<br>>
<br>> I'm pretty sure it used to though, before the big rework. When I was
<br>> doing all my testing before that, I'm sure this didn't happen.
</div></div>Yes, but during the big rework one of the fellow testers/users who provided me
<br>with many details wanted to get things like dividend payments w/o a given
<br>checking/current account to work (which makes sense) and that is why we needed
<br>the brokerage account as a last resort (that is the Div vs. DivX record type
<br>in QIF).
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> > The problem is, that with the current version of KMyMoney you cannot use
<br>> > the investment account itself as current account. This is what can be
<br>> > done in MS- Money and Quicken. Maybe (I am pretty sure) a future version
<br>> > will support this w/o an artificial brokerage account. But I expect to
<br>> > see larger changes to the business logic and reporting code while
<br>> > allowing to store funds in the investment account and that is why we
<br>> > decided not to allow it in 1.0.
<br>> >
<br>> >> The Securities list appears
<br>> >> to be processed more or less correctly, needing only to have an
<br>> >> investment account supplied. However, if the Account list has already
<br>> >> created an investment account, then the security processing should
<br>> >> perhaps look for an existing account,before creating a new one in
<br>> >> addition. Similarly for its stock account. Or, create only one
<br>> >> investment account from the Account list, and one stock account from the
<br>> >> Securities list.
<br>> >
<br>> > Something like that. I don't remember all the details of the QIF importer
<br>> > at this point.
<br>> >
<br>> > Maybe a future version of the QIF importer will allow to run over a whole
<br>> > set of files in multiple rounds underneath the hood to detect all those
<br>> > problems. OTOH, how long is QIF still around?
<br>>
<br>> Well, it seems at the moment to be the only accepted way to import and
<br>> export across apps. Do you see KMM exporting in OFX? It's still not
<br>> that widely supported. Will KMM import and export in csv at some stage?
<br>> Perhaps there will be some bloat of xml?
</div></div>Unfortunately, QIF seems to be the only method. But why should we support
<br>people leaving KMyMoney? LOL. I know, the exporter needs to be fixed at some
<br>point. Not sure if OFX is the way to go, it certainly would get rid of a lot
<br>of ambiguities and trouble we have with QIF. XML? Just use the KMyMoney file
<br>directly :) No need to write an exporter for that.
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<br><br>I love this piece of software, I have used it for several years with very good
<br>results.
<br><br>Know I would like to ask you if you know how to run it in systems that have
<br>eliminate KDE3 support like Mandriva 2010 have. I don't want to migrate to
<br>other software, I'm comfortable with Kmymoney2.
<br><br>I know it's not fair asking you a solution to this issue because you only did
<br>your best. But if you know or come to know how to fix it please let us know.
<br><br>In the mine time I'm thinking of installing a Virtual machine (killing flies
<br>with a cannon).
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> on Thursday 05 November 2009 allan wrote:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> aga wrote:
<br>>>> <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250</a><br>>>>
<br>>>> Summary: QIF Import creates numerous Unneeded Accounts
<br>>>> Product: kmymoney2
<br>>>> Version: unspecified
<br>>>> Platform: Compiled Sources
<br>>>> OS/Version: Linux
<br>>>> Status: UNCONFIRMED
<br>>>> Severity: normal
<br>>>> Priority: NOR
<br>>>> Component: general
<br>>>> AssignedTo: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26219582&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kmymoney2-developer@...</a>
<br>>>> ReportedBy: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26219582&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">aganderson@...</a>
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Version: 1.0.2-CVS (using KDE 4.3.1)
<br>>>> OS: Linux
<br>>>> Installed from: Compiled From Sources
<br>>>>
<br>>>> I have imported from Quicken 2002 a file containing Accounts List,
<br>>>> SecurityList, and Transactions for an investment account. There is no
<br>>>> brokerage account in Quicken, and the file has not been modified in any
<br>>>> way, just imported.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> The import completes successfully, but the particular account appears
<br>>>> five times, as follows:-
<br>>>> 1) Account name Type - Investment
<br>>>> 2) " Type - Stock
<br>>>> 3) Account name (Brokerage) Type - Current - empty
<br>>>> 4) Account name (Investment) Type - Investment - empty
<br>>>> 5) " Type - Stock - empty
<br>>>>
<br>>>> This sort of duplication occurs every time for me.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Allan
<br>>> Hi Thomas
<br>>>
<br>>> Further information, and some thoughts.
<br>>>
<br>>> This time, I export only Security list and transactions, no Account list.
<br>>>
<br>>> On import, I get a dialog asking for an account. I create one and the
<br>>> import completes. Securities list shows all securities from Quicken and
<br>>> all prices for all securities are in the Prices list. Only the expected
<br>>> accounts appear, the created investment account and the imported stock
<br>>> account.
<br>>>
<br>>> Finally, I export Account list and transactions.
<br>>
<br>> I assume of a single investment account.
</div><br>Yes, sort of. The Quicken Accounts list includes *all* accounts (names,
<br>etc., not transactions) it knows of, but only one account may be
<br>exported at a time. A Securities list includes all securities and all
<br>their prices.
<br>>
<br>>> On import, four
<br>>> accounts have been created - an investment account, a current
<br>>> account(Brokerage), an investment account(Investment) and its Stock
<br>>> account. The Securities and Prices lists are empty, as expected. The
<br>>> transactions that are in the qif file have not been imported.
<br>>
<br>> Hmm, why did it not import the transactions?
<br><br>I think because on this run there were no !Type:Security entries. They
<br>are in the Accounts list. If both are imported together, all is well.
<br>Si, I think this is a red herring. I was trying to identify where all
<br>the accounts came from, so ran the two separately. I think this can
<br>probably be ignored.
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>>> So, to me it appears that the Accounts list processing produces the
<br>>> unneeded accounts. To me, a Brokerage account should not be created
<br>>> automatically,but only if one is imported.
<br>>
<br>> In general I agree. There is a limitation though in KMyMoney, that does not
<br>> handle some constructs used in Quicken w/o a brokerage account. Since we don't
<br>> know upfront, if those constructs are used or not, we simply create the
<br>> brokerage account to be on the safe side during the import and leave it to the
<br>> user to remove it if unused.
</div><br>I'm pretty sure it used to though, before the big rework. When I was
<br>doing all my testing before that, I'm sure this didn't happen.
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> The problem is, that with the current version of KMyMoney you cannot use the
<br>> investment account itself as current account. This is what can be done in MS-
<br>> Money and Quicken. Maybe (I am pretty sure) a future version will support
<br>> this w/o an artificial brokerage account. But I expect to see larger changes
<br>> to the business logic and reporting code while allowing to store funds in the
<br>> investment account and that is why we decided not to allow it in 1.0.
<br>>
<br>>> The Securities list appears
<br>>> to be processed more or less correctly, needing only to have an
<br>>> investment account supplied. However, if the Account list has already
<br>>> created an investment account, then the security processing should
<br>>> perhaps look for an existing account,before creating a new one in
<br>>> addition. Similarly for its stock account. Or, create only one
<br>>> investment account from the Account list, and one stock account from the
<br>>> Securities list.
<br>>
<br>> Something like that. I don't remember all the details of the QIF importer at
<br>> this point.
<br>>
<br>> Maybe a future version of the QIF importer will allow to run over a whole set
<br>> of files in multiple rounds underneath the hood to detect all those problems.
<br>> OTOH, how long is QIF still around?
<br>>
</div><br>Well, it seems at the moment to be the only accepted way to import and
<br>export across apps. Do you see KMM exporting in OFX? It's still not
<br>that widely supported. Will KMM import and export in csv at some stage?
<br> Perhaps there will be some bloat of xml?
<br><br>Allan
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<br>That is partially by design, though it looks at bit awkward that there is a
<br>second investment type account.
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<br>wanted to leave a note before any brave soul dives in and tries to fix it.
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<br><br>Thanks for your help.
<br><br>With yours instructions, I've found a method to merge securities, it's a little boring :
<br>- first : going to account in order to modify "duplicate" security (like add one letter in order to create a new security with a common symbol as you teached me);
<br>- second : erase all quotes from the first security
<br>- third : erase the first security
<br>- quarter : download unified quote.
<br><br>For your information,
<br><br>William
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> on Thursday 05 November 2009 Asemann wrote:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> > Ok thanks for this information. It was "exactly" (and not similar).
<br>>
<br>> I thought so.
<br>>
<br>> > I found the "sharing" dialog box, not easily.
<br>> > Like you instructed, I use only the symbol (first item), wipe all other
<br>> > items, typing TAB over all items/buttons once and it seems that is the
<br>> > twice passage over the second item (name) is the clack. First attempt,
<br>> > freeze totally KMM. Second attempt was successful.
<br>>
<br>> Yes, it only pops up when no other field is filled. It differentiates between
<br>> adding a new investment and editing an existing one at this point.
<br>>
<br>> > Is there tips for existing securities ? Or for sharing by default all
<br>> > securities ?
<br>>
<br>> Unfortunately no. The only way to solve this I know of is to modify the file
<br>> manually - which I do *not* recommend to the regular user.
<br>>
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<br>>
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<br>>
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<br> Product: kmymoney2
<br> Version: unspecified
<br> Platform: Compiled Sources
<br> OS/Version: Linux
<br> Status: UNCONFIRMED
<br> Severity: normal
<br> Priority: NOR
<br> Component: general
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<br><br><br>Version: 1.0.2-CVS (using KDE 4.3.1)
<br>OS: Linux
<br>Installed from: Compiled From Sources
<br><br>On attempting to create an export of an investment, in order to re-import so as
<br>to share an existing symbol, the file produced contained no investment
<br>transactions, but only an opening balance.
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<br><br>on Thursday 05 November 2009 allan wrote:
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> aga wrote:
<br>> > <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250</a><br>> >
<br>> > Summary: QIF Import creates numerous Unneeded Accounts
<br>> > Product: kmymoney2
<br>> > Version: unspecified
<br>> > Platform: Compiled Sources
<br>> > OS/Version: Linux
<br>> > Status: UNCONFIRMED
<br>> > Severity: normal
<br>> > Priority: NOR
<br>> > Component: general
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<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Version: 1.0.2-CVS (using KDE 4.3.1)
<br>> > OS: Linux
<br>> > Installed from: Compiled From Sources
<br>> >
<br>> > I have imported from Quicken 2002 a file containing Accounts List,
<br>> > SecurityList, and Transactions for an investment account. There is no
<br>> > brokerage account in Quicken, and the file has not been modified in any
<br>> > way, just imported.
<br>> >
<br>> > The import completes successfully, but the particular account appears
<br>> > five times, as follows:-
<br>> > 1) Account name Type - Investment
<br>> > 2) " Type - Stock
<br>> > 3) Account name (Brokerage) Type - Current - empty
<br>> > 4) Account name (Investment) Type - Investment - empty
<br>> > 5) " Type - Stock - empty
<br>> >
<br>> > This sort of duplication occurs every time for me.
<br>> >
<br>> > Allan
<br>>
<br>> Hi Thomas
<br>>
<br>> Further information, and some thoughts.
<br>>
<br>> This time, I export only Security list and transactions, no Account list.
<br>>
<br>> On import, I get a dialog asking for an account. I create one and the
<br>> import completes. Securities list shows all securities from Quicken and
<br>> all prices for all securities are in the Prices list. Only the expected
<br>> accounts appear, the created investment account and the imported stock
<br>> account.
<br>>
<br>> Finally, I export Account list and transactions.
</div></div>I assume of a single investment account.
<br><br>> On import, four
<br>> accounts have been created - an investment account, a current
<br>> account(Brokerage), an investment account(Investment) and its Stock
<br>> account. The Securities and Prices lists are empty, as expected. The
<br>> transactions that are in the qif file have not been imported.
<br><br>Hmm, why did it not import the transactions?
<br><br>> So, to me it appears that the Accounts list processing produces the
<br>> unneeded accounts. To me, a Brokerage account should not be created
<br>> automatically,but only if one is imported.
<br><br>In general I agree. There is a limitation though in KMyMoney, that does not
<br>handle some constructs used in Quicken w/o a brokerage account. Since we don't
<br>know upfront, if those constructs are used or not, we simply create the
<br>brokerage account to be on the safe side during the import and leave it to the
<br>user to remove it if unused.
<br><br>The problem is, that with the current version of KMyMoney you cannot use the
<br>investment account itself as current account. This is what can be done in MS-
<br>Money and Quicken. Maybe (I am pretty sure) a future version will support
<br>this w/o an artificial brokerage account. But I expect to see larger changes
<br>to the business logic and reporting code while allowing to store funds in the
<br>investment account and that is why we decided not to allow it in 1.0.
<br><br>> The Securities list appears
<br>> to be processed more or less correctly, needing only to have an
<br>> investment account supplied. However, if the Account list has already
<br>> created an investment account, then the security processing should
<br>> perhaps look for an existing account,before creating a new one in
<br>> addition. Similarly for its stock account. Or, create only one
<br>> investment account from the Account list, and one stock account from the
<br>> Securities list.
<br><br>Something like that. I don't remember all the details of the QIF importer at
<br>this point.
<br><br>Maybe a future version of the QIF importer will allow to run over a whole set
<br>of files in multiple rounds underneath the hood to detect all those problems.
<br>OTOH, how long is QIF still around?
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213250</a><br>>
<br>> Summary: QIF Import creates numerous Unneeded Accounts
<br>> Product: kmymoney2
<br>> Version: unspecified
<br>> Platform: Compiled Sources
<br>> OS/Version: Linux
<br>> Status: UNCONFIRMED
<br>> Severity: normal
<br>> Priority: NOR
<br>> Component: general
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<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Version: 1.0.2-CVS (using KDE 4.3.1)
<br>> OS: Linux
<br>> Installed from: Compiled From Sources
<br>>
<br>> I have imported from Quicken 2002 a file containing Accounts List,
<br>> SecurityList, and Transactions for an investment account. There is no
<br>> brokerage account in Quicken, and the file has not been modified in any way,
<br>> just imported.
<br>>
<br>> The import completes successfully, but the particular account appears five
<br>> times, as follows:-
<br>> 1) Account name Type - Investment
<br>> 2) " Type - Stock
<br>> 3) Account name (Brokerage) Type - Current - empty
<br>> 4) Account name (Investment) Type - Investment - empty
<br>> 5) " Type - Stock - empty
<br>>
<br>> This sort of duplication occurs every time for me.
<br>>
<br>> Allan
<br>>
</div>Hi Thomas
<br><br>Further information, and some thoughts.
<br><br>This time, I export only Security list and transactions, no Account list.
<br><br>On import, I get a dialog asking for an account. I create one and the
<br>import completes. Securities list shows all securities from Quicken and
<br>all prices for all securities are in the Prices list. Only the expected
<br>accounts appear, the created investment account and the imported stock
<br>account.
<br><br>Finally, I export Account list and transactions. On import, four
<br>accounts have been created - an investment account, a current
<br>account(Brokerage), an investment account(Investment) and its Stock
<br>account. The Securities and Prices lists are empty, as expected. The
<br>transactions that are in the qif file have not been imported.
<br><br>So, to me it appears that the Accounts list processing produces the
<br>unneeded accounts. To me, a Brokerage account should not be created
<br>automatically,but only if one is imported. The Securities list appears
<br>to be processed more or less correctly, needing only to have an
<br>investment account supplied. However, if the Account list has already
<br>created an investment account, then the security processing should
<br>perhaps look for an existing account,before creating a new one in
<br>addition. Similarly for its stock account. Or, create only one
<br>investment account from the Account list, and one stock account from the
<br> Securities list.
<br><br>Hope this helps.
<br><br>allan
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